Brief
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
The claims the writer was given for Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), in the order they were given.
1
One condition of the Bigelow contract with the Defense Intelligence Agency was that Bigelow Aerospace's plant in Las Vegas be engineered so it could accept, store, and study certain exotic materials.
“One condition of the Bigelow contract with DIA was that Bigelow's Aerospace plant in Las Vegas must be engineered so that it could accept, store, and study certain exotic materials.”
Statement to Congress char:11572-11743 administrative first hand
2
The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program lasted only 27 months before it was ended, rather than the five-year operation planned by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
“It lasted a mere 27 months before the plug was pulled, instead of a five year operation as planned by DIA.”
Statement to Congress char:12104-12206 administrative first hand
3
The 22 million US dollars secured by Harry Reid did not fund the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, but instead went into a separate effort managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
“The $22 million secured by Reid did not fund AATIP. Rather, it went into an entirely different effort managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.”
Statement to Congress char:9602-9740 administrative first hand
4
The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program was initiated and managed for the Defense Intelligence Agency by veteran intelligence analyst and rocket expert Dr. James Lacatski.
“The man who initiated and managed the program for DIA was a veteran intelligence analyst and rocket expert named Dr. James Lacatski.”
Statement to Congress char:9837-9960 administrative first hand
5
At the time of his 1997 investigation, Thomas Wilson was Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and Assistant Joint Chief of Staff for Intelligence (J-2), and his boss was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Patrick Hughes.
“(TW was Deputy Director DIA/Assistant Joint Chief of Staff J-2 at time; boss was Director DIA Gen. Patrick Hughes)”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:12533-12639 administrative
6
Thomas Wilson told the threesome he wanted a formal briefing and tour, exploiting his regulatory authority as Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and Assistant Joint Chief of Staff for Intelligence (J-2), telling them that his not being briefed was an oversight they needed to correct, and he demanded it.
“TW: I told threesome I wanted formal briefing, tour, etc. - was exploiting my regulatory authority as Deputy Director DIA/Assistant Joint Chief of Staff J-2 - Told them my not being briefed was oversight they needed to correct - I demanded!”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:16210-16437 testimony first hand
7
Thomas Wilson went back and forth with the security director and attorney over the access-criteria issue, arguing that his statutory oversight and regulatory authority as Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) gave him a right to have need to know.
“- Went back 'n forth with them over these points (primarily with security director & attorney) TW: Argued more - they wouldn't accept my arguments that they fell under my statutory oversight and regulatory authority as Deputy Director DIA - under purview for my right to have need to know (oversight, audit, justification issues, etc., etc.)”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:19369-19754 testimony first hand
8
The Watch Committee argued that Thomas Wilson's regulatory and statutory authority as Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) was not relevant or pertinent to the nature of their programme, and pulled out their bigot list, dated 1990 and updated 1993 and several pages long, to convince him.
“- Regulatory and statutory authority as Deputy Director DIA not relevant or pertinent to nature of their program! - Then they pulled out their bigot list to convince me otherwise - several pages long - dated 1990, updated 1993.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:19763-19983 testimony second hand
9
The chairman of the Senior Review Group told Thomas Wilson, via Will Miller, that if he did not follow their suggestion to drop the matter he would not see promotion to Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“Told Miller Senior Review Group chairman said if I didn't follow their suggestion that I would not see Director DIA promotion”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:22059-22175 hearsay third hand
10
Thomas Wilson declined to say whether funding for the reverse-engineering program came from him or through him, or through the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), citing it as core secret.
“EWD: Is it because funding comes from you or through you? Or Director DIA? TW: Core secret - can't answer”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:22485-22580 administrative first hand
11
Thomas Wilson left the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in July 2002 and was replaced by Admiral Lowell Jacoby.
“Three years pass and retiring - left DIA July (2002) - replaced by Adm. Jacoby.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:7577-7649 administrative first hand
12
Rich and Doug told Thomas Wilson he should talk to Eric W. Davis about Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) careers and discuss Wilson's career history and mission there.
“Rich/Doug told me I should talk to you about DIA careers, discuss history, mission, my career in that, etc.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:8317-8420 testimony first hand
13
Bobby Inman was a former vice director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“vice director of the Defense Intelligence Agency”
Dark Mission 2010-07-22 ch14:22713-22755 administrative
14
The 1993 White House press release stated Bobby Inman won the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)'s Defense Superior Service Medal for 'achievements unparalleled in the history of intelligence'.
“and the DIA’s Defense Superior Service Medal for “achievements unparalleled in the history of intelligence.””
Dark Mission 2010-07-22 ch14:23171-23265 administrative second hand
15
Joseph McMoneagle provided professional intelligence and informational support to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) during his career.
“Joe provided professional intelligence and creative/inovative informational support to the CIA, DIA, NSA, DEA, Secret Service, FBI, US Customs, the NSC, major commands within the DoD”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch4:1504-1683 administrative
16
In response to questions from The New York Times, Pentagon officials in December 2017 acknowledged the existence of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which began as part of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“In response to questions from The Times, Pentagon officials this month acknowledged the existence of the program, which began as part of the Defense Intelligence Agency.”
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:5026-5188 administrative second hand
17
Harry Reid said that in 2007 Robert Bigelow told him an official with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) had approached Bigelow wanting to visit Bigelow's ranch in Utah, where he conducted research.
“In 2007, Mr. Reid said in the interview, Mr. Bigelow told him that an official with the Defense Intelligence Agency had approached him wanting to visit Mr. Bigelow’s ranch in Utah, where he conducted research.”
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:7154-7354 hearsay second hand
18
Harry Reid said he met with Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) officials shortly after his meeting with Robert Bigelow and learned that they wanted to start a research program on UFOs.
“Mr. Reid said he met with agency officials shortly after his meeting with Mr. Bigelow and learned that they wanted to start a research program on U.F.O.s.”
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:7365-7517 testimony first hand
19
The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was initially run out of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), but when Luis Elizondo took it over in 2010 as Director, he ran it out of the Office of the Secretary of Defense under the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USDI).
““The program was initially run out of [the Defense Intelligence Agency] but when Lue took it over in 2010 as Director, he ran it out of the Office for the Secretary of Defense (OSD) under the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USDI). Hope that clarifies.””
The Media Loves This UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He? 2019-06-01 char:3572-3826 testimony first hand
20
The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) administered the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), and Luis Elizondo was never assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency.
“DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] administered AATIP, and Elizondo was never assigned to DIA.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:3968-4058 administrative second hand
21
Luis Elizondo did interact with the Defense Intelligence Agency office managing the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) while the program was still ongoing, but he did not lead it.
“Elizondo did interact with the DIA office managing the program while the program was still ongoing, but he did not lead it.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:4063-4183 administrative second hand
22
It is unclear how Hal Puthoff could have worked under Luis Elizondo's leadership given that AAWSAP/AATIP contracted work began in 2008 at the Defense Intelligence Agency while Elizondo's alleged leadership began in 2010 at OUSDI.
“It is unclear how Dr. Puthoff could have worked under Mr. Elizondo’s leadership, since AAWSAP/AATIP contracted work began in 2008 at DIA and Mr. Elizondo’s alleged leadership began in 2010 at OUSDI when the program was transferred.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:6717-7036 opinion
23
Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP)/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) contracted work began in 2008 at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“AAWSAP/AATIP contracted work began in 2008 at DIA”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:6804-6843 administrative
24
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States Army, and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) recruited people who claimed to have extrasensory perception (ESP) to help uncover intelligence secrets.
“The CIA Army and Defense Intelligence Agency recruited people who claimed to have extrasensory perception, otherwise known as ESP, to help them uncover intelligence secrets.”
How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 2023-08-02 00:03:02.7-00:03:12.8 administrative
25
After moving to Fort Meade, Maryland, the remote-viewing programme was funded by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“where it was funded by the Defense Intelligence Agency.”
How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 2023-08-02 00:07:06.2-00:07:08.3 administrative
26
Declassified Project Blue Book and US Defence Intelligence Agency files show the United States was involved in a covert worldwide UFO investigation and recovery programme.
“Surprisingly, declassified Project Blue Book and US Defence Intelligence Agency files do show the US was involved in a covert worldwide 'UFO' investigation and recovery program.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:1792-1961 administrative second hand
27
The alleged UAP-UFO cover-up laid out by Steven Greer, Edgar Mitchell and Willard Miller is supposedly so secret that even the second-highest official in the Defense Intelligence Agency was not permitted to know about it.
“Whatever this program was (or is), the alleged UAP-UFO cover-up laid out by Greer, Ed Mitchell and Commander Miller is supposedly so secret that even the second-highest official in the Defence Intelligence Agency was not permitted to know about it.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:13442-13714 hearsay second hand
28
In 1998, Steven Greer was invited back to the Defense Intelligence Agency, again with Commander Willard Miller, to brief the then Director, Admiral Thomas Wilson's immediate superior, Lieutenant General Patrick Hughes, on UFOs.
“It is to Greer's credit, for example, that he was invited back in 1998 to the Defence Intelligence Agency, again with Commander Willard Miller, to brief the then Director, Wilson's immediate superior, Lieutenant General Patrick Hughes, 'on UFOs'.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:18395-18635 administrative
29
Ross Coulthart considers it remarkable that Steven Greer achieved being invited to brief top Defense Intelligence Agency officials on UAPs on at least two occasions, but considers that the claim both a senior admiral and a general confirmed belief in a UFO cover-up at their first meeting strains credibility for many who hear it.
“It is remarkable that Greer achieved the extraordinary feat of being invited to brief top Defence Intelligence Agency officials on UAPs on at least two occasions, but the claim that both a senior admiral and a general confirmed at their first meeting with him that they both believed in a 'UFO cover-up' strains credibility for many who hear it.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:18973-19315 opinion first hand
30
Admiral Tom Wilson was Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and would have needed superior discretion to be granted access to the alleged Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program on UAPs.
“Admiral Tom Wilson would have known that even he, a Deputy Director of the Defence Intelligence Agency, had to ask to be given access, which was only then given at the discretion of his superiors.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:20199-20385 administrative
31
Admiral Tom Wilson's Defense Intelligence Agency boss, General Patrick Hughes, invited Steven Greer and Willard Miller back to talk about UAPs months after the April 1997 Pentagon meeting.
“it begs the question why Wilson’s Defence Intelligence Agency boss General Patrick Hughes invited Greer and Miller back to talk about UAPs months later”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:23223-23369 administrative
32
Ross Coulthart suspects the two Defense Intelligence Agency officials involved in the 1997 Pentagon meeting were more interested in UAPs than they publicly admit.
“I suspect, in actual fact, the two Defence Intelligence Agency officials were more interested than they care to publicly admit.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:23376-23497 opinion first hand
33
In April 1997, Steven Greer went into the Pentagon as part of a group of UFO disclosure activists and former military servicemen and was escorted to the offices of the Deputy Director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency, the innermost ring of America's military headquarters.
“When Greer went into the Pentagon in April 1997 as part of an unusual group of UFO disclosure activists and former military servicemen and was escorted to the innermost ring of America's military headquarters, the offices of the Deputy Director of the US Defence Intelligence Agency,”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:7920-8196 administrative
34
Around 2008, Senator Harry Reid received a letter from a senior US Defense Intelligence Agency scientist, likely a physicist named James Lacatski although he was never publicly named, whose world view had been transformed by events he witnessed at Skinwalker Ranch.
“In about 2008, one of the most powerful politicians in Washington DC, Democrat Senator Harry Reid, received an intriguing letter written by a senior US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) scientist (likely a physicist named James Lacatski, although he was never named), whose world view had been transformed by extraordinary events he witnessed at Skinwalker Ranch.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:113-470 testimony second hand
35
Eric Davis's official Defense Intelligence Agency-funded investigation concluded that the 2004 Tic Tac UAP was a legitimate unidentified flying object (UFO), not a technology made on Earth by humans, and that these are legitimate unidentified objects, anomalous, real vehicles under intelligent control and an advanced technology.
“'the take on it is that it's a legitimate UFO . . . this is not a technology that is made on Earth by humans, anywhere. . . . we came to the conclusion that these are legitimate unidentified objects. They are anomalous. They are real vehicles. They are under intelligent control and they are an advanced technology.'”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:12368-12671 opinion first hand
36
Eric Davis suggested the UAP were also a mystery to his masters at the Defense Intelligence Agency, and said something needed to be done about them because they were interfering with military deployments in the ocean and had interfered with air force deployments in the atmosphere wherever the air force was flying its planes.
“Importantly, Davis suggested the UAPs were also a mystery to his masters at the Defence Intelligence Agency. 'And we got to do something about them because they are interfering with military deployments in the ocean and they have interfered with air force deployments in the atmosphere wherever the air force is flying their planes,' he said.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:12684-13021 opinion first hand
37
Eric Davis told George Knapp, discussing his work on the Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) Defense Intelligence Agency contract, that there were indeed recovered extra-terrestrial craft, the information about which had not yet been revealed or published.
“Talking about his work for the Bigelow BAASS Defence Intelligence Agency contract, Dr Davis went on to tell George Knapp there were indeed recovered ET craft, the information about which had not yet been revealed or published.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:15421-15637 testimony first hand
38
The Defense Intelligence Agency's Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP) investigation was given an extra $12 million in 2010 appropriations to produce a dozen more reports.
“We now know that the Defence Intelligence Agency's Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP) investigation was given an extra US$12 million in 2010 appropriations to produce a dozen more reports.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:19170-19407 administrative
39
Robert Bigelow sent Harry Reid the letter from the senior Defense Intelligence Agency physicist.
“It was billionaire aerospace entrepreneur Robert Bigelow who sent Reid the letter from the senior Defence Intelligence Agency physicist.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:2105-2231 administrative
40
Harry Reid did not name the Defense Intelligence Agency scientist but said he visited Robert Bigelow's Skinwalker Ranch, presumably around 2007-2008, and that what the scientist saw there convinced him it was a real phenomenon needing investigation.
“Reid did not name the scientist, but he said he visited Bigelow's Skinwalker Ranch, presumably about 2007–08, and what the DIA scientist saw there convinced him it was a real phenomenon that needed to be investigated.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:2242-2446 testimony first hand
41
Robert Bigelow said the Defense Intelligence Agency scientist told him that what shocked him at Skinwalker Ranch was an incident where a three-dimensional object suddenly materialised in front of him, resembling the triangular metallic 'bent bell' cover art on the front of the Mike Oldfield album Tubular Bells.
“Bob Bigelow has also revealed that the DIA scientist told him that what shocked him at the ranch was an incident where a three-dimensional object suddenly materialised in front of him, which looked like the triangular metallic 'bent bell' cover art on the front of the Mike Oldfield album Tubular Bells. 'That's the closest thing I can come to as to what the structure of this looked like,' Bigelow says he was told.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:2460-2873 hearsay second hand
42
Harry Reid says the Defense Intelligence Agency scientist was clearly rattled by his purported paranormal experience at Skinwalker Ranch and told the Senator he felt it was time such phenomena be properly investigated.
“Senator Reid also says the scientist was clearly very rattled by his purported paranormal Skinwalker experience and that he told the Senator he felt it was time such phenomena be properly investigated.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:2881-3069 hearsay first hand
43
Ross Coulthart suspects Harry Reid was being deliberately vague and knew a lot more from the classified intelligence world to prompt his interest in UAP than just the one Defense Intelligence Agency scientist's letter.
“I suspect Harry Reid was being deliberately vague and that he knew a lot more from the classified intelligence world to prompt his interest in the phenomenon than just that one DIA scientist's letter.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:3175-3395 opinion first hand
44
The Bigelow team's UAP investigations began before the Defense Intelligence Agency funding arrived in July 2008, when Harry Reid guaranteed the black budget funding for the program that became known as AAWSAP, the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program.
“Their UAP investigations began even before the Defence Intelligence Agency money came through in July 2008, when Senator Reid guaranteed the black budget funding for what was to become known by its clunky acronym, AAWSAP. The full title was a mouthful, no doubt intended to be as opaque as possible since this was a secret 'black' UAP investigation program hidden in plain sight on the Pentagon books. AAWSAP stood for the 'Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program'.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:7865-8337 administrative
45
An invitation to tender for the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP) contract was issued by the Defense Intelligence Agency in August 2008 and Robert Bigelow was the sole bidder, securing $10 million funding for the first year with a five-year option.
“An invitation to tender for the contract was issued by the Defence Intelligence Agency in August 2008 and Bigelow was the sole bidder, securing $10 million funding for the first year, with a five-year option for the contract.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:8347-8563 administrative
46
Tim McMillan, a writer specialising in defence and intelligence stories, indicated in past interviews with Harry Reid that interested parties at the Defense Intelligence Agency felt it prudent to avoid any language that might cause someone to realise the underlying focus of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was UFOs.
“'In past interviews, [former Senator] Reid has indicated the interested parties at the DIA felt it prudent to avoid any language that might cause someone to realise the underlying focus of the AATIP program was UFOs,' Tim McMillan, a writer specialising in defence and intelligence stories, explained.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:9158-9448 hearsay second hand
47
James Clapper was the US Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and a former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
“The then US Deputy Secretary of Defence for Intelligence, James Clapper, a former director of the Defence Intelligence Agency”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:11636-11755 administrative
48
In 2008, James Clapper personally hired Luis Elizondo into the Office of the Under-Secretary of Defence for Intelligence and Security, the office that acts as principal staff for the Department of Defense on sensitive intelligence-related matters, overseeing a cluster of three-letter DoD agencies including the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency.
“recognised Elizondo's skills and, in 2008, had personally hired him into the office that acts as the principal staff for the Department of Defence on sensitive intelligence-related matters, overseeing a cluster of three-letter DoD agencies, including the Defence Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:11763-12072 administrative
49
The Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes) claims Tom Wilson was told that if he did not follow their suggestion to drop the matter, he would not be promoted to Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, would be sent into early retirement, and would lose rank.
“Wilson was supposedly told that, if he did not follow their suggestion, he would not be promoted to the Director of the Defence Intelligence Agency. He would also be sent into early retirement, and he would lose rank.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:22994-23206 hearsay second hand
50
The United States Department of Defense (DoD) did not officially look at Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) again until mid-2000, when select members of United States Congress initiated and funded the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP) to study UAP, under the direction of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“The DoD did not officially look at UAP again until mid-2000, when select members of Congress initiated and funded a program to study UAP, called the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Applications program, under the direction of the Defense Intelligence Agency.”
Unclassified Summary of Report No. DODIG-2023-109, "Evaluation of the DoD's Actions Regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena," August 15, 2023 2024-01-24 char:1813-2066 administrative
51
The Inspector General, U.S. Department of Defense interviewed senior officials and requested unidentified anomalous phenomena-related data and organisational policies, procedures, and guidance from the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, the Military Services, the Military Service Intelligence Components, the Military Department Counterintelligence Organizations, and defense intelligence agencies.
“We interviewed senior officials and requested UAP-related data and organizational policies, procedures, and guidance from the following DoD organizations: OUSD(I&S), AARO, Military Services (Departments of the Army, Navy, and Air Force), Military Service Intelligence Components (Army G2, Navy N2, Air Force A2), MDCOs (Army Counterintelligence, Naval Criminal Investigative Service, Office of Special Investigations), Defense intelligence agencies (Defense Intelligence Agency, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, and National Security Agency)”
Unclassified Summary of Report No. DODIG-2023-109, "Evaluation of the DoD's Actions Regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena," August 15, 2023 2024-01-24 char:26132-26714 administrative first hand
52
Many of the individuals behind modern claims of a hidden United States Government reverse-engineering programme were involved in or supportive of a cancelled Defense Intelligence Agency programme and the subsequent but failed attempt to reestablish this programme under the Department of Homeland Security, called KONA BLUE.
“Many of these individuals were involved in or supportive of a cancelled DIA program and the subsequent but failed attempt to reestablish this program under DHS, called KONA BLUE.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:12156-12329 administrative first hand
53
One line of effort for the AARO Historical Record Report (HR2) was to partner with the archives of key intelligence and national security agencies, including the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Department of Energy (DOE), National Security Agency (NSA), and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).
“Partner with the archives of key intelligence and national security agencies such as the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Department of Energy (DOE), National Security Agency (NSA), the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the Services, and DoD Combatant Commands.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:23031-23339 administrative second hand
54
At the direction of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), the Defense Appropriations Acts of Fiscal Years 2008 and 2010 appropriated 22 million US dollars for the Defense Intelligence Agency to assess long-term and over-the-horizon foreign advanced aerospace threats to the United States.
“At the direction of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), the Defense Appropriations Acts of Fiscal Years 2008 and 2010 appropriated $22 million for the DIA to assess long-term and over-the-horizon foreign advanced aerospace threats to the United States.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:58973-59224 measurement
55
In coordination with the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, the Defense Intelligence Agency established the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP) in 2009, which was also known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“In coordination with the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, DIA established AAWSAP in 2009, which was also known AATIP.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:59232-59369 administrative
56
The contract for the Defense Intelligence Agency-managed Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program was awarded to a private sector organisation.
“The contract for this DIA-managed program was awarded to a private sector organization.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:59376-59450 administrative
57
Although investigating UFOs/UAP was not specifically outlined in the AAWSAP/AATIP contract's statement of work, the selected private sector organisation conducted UFO research with the support of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) programme manager.
“Although investigating UFO/UAP was not specifically outlined in the contract's statement of work, the selected private sector organization conducted UFO research with the support of the DIA program manager.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:60619-60817 administrative second hand
58
The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) did not seek nor specifically authorise the AAWSAP/AATIP research into paranormal activity, though a DIA employee set up and managed the contract with the private sector organisation.
“DIA did not seek, nor specifically authorize, this work though a DIA employee set up and managed the contract with the private sector organization.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:61567-61701 administrative second hand
59
AAWSAP/AATIP was terminated in 2012 upon completion of its deliverables due to Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and Department of Defense (DoD) concerns about the project.
“AAWSAP/AATIP was terminated in 2012 upon the completion of its deliverables due to DIA and DoD concerns about the project.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:63708-63822 administrative
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KONA BLUE traces its origins to the Defense Intelligence Agency-managed Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which was funded through a special appropriation and executed by its primary contractor, a private sector organisation.
“KONA BLUE traces its origins to the DIA-managed AAWSAP/AATIP program, which was funded through a special appropriation and executed by its primary contractor, a private sector organization.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:99127-99303 administrative first hand
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The Defense Intelligence Agency cancelled the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program in 2012 due to lack of merit and the utility of the deliverables.
“DIA cancelled the program in 2012 due to lack of merit and the utility of the deliverables.”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:99317-99395 administrative first hand
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When the Defense Intelligence Agency cancelled the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, its supporters proposed to the Department of Homeland Security that they create and fund a new version of the programme under a special access programme, codenamed KONA BLUE.
“When DIA cancelled this program, its supporters proposed to DHS that they create and fund a new version of AAWSAP/AATIP under a SAP. (AARO case files) This proposal, codenamed KONA BLUE, would restart UAP investigations, paranormal research (including alleged "huma”
Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), Volume I 2024-02-01 char:99735-99987 administrative first hand
63
Project Stargate was a US government programme embedded in the federal government, run for years by the Central Intelligence Agency and later by the Defense Intelligence Agency, that trained recruits to spy on enemies using psychic abilities.
“Stargate was embedded in the federal government, run for years by the CIA, and later the DIA. Recruits were trained to spy upon enemies, but not in the usual way. Stargate trained "supersoldiers" to spy on hard targets using their psychic gifts.”
Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs 2024-08-19 ch11:24728-24968 administrative
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Initially the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP)/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) crew enjoyed a good degree of support from Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) leadership.
“Initially, the AAWSAP/AATIP crew enjoyed a good degree of support from DIA leadership.”
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An increasing number of Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP) detractors came to work at the senior level within the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and new executive leadership at DIA became settled into their roles, increasing scrutiny of AAWSAP.
“An increasing number of AAWSAP detractors now worked at the senior level within DIA. More and more scrutiny was being placed on AAWSAP every day and new executive leadership at DIA was getting settled into their roles.”
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Within weeks of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) leadership transition, James Lacatski began spending most of his time defending his efforts instead of conducting research, as senior DIA leadership actively tried to kill the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP).
“Within a matter of weeks of the transition, Lacatski began spending most of his time defending his efforts instead of conducting research. The powers that be in the ivory tower now actively tried to kill the program.”
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If any glimmer of the truth about James Lacatski's work reached a broader report destined for other powerful readers, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) bureaucrats killed it, filed it away, or ignored it.
“If the slightest glimmer of the truth of Jim’s work got released in a broader report destined for the eyes of others in power, it got kicked upstairs, where DIA’s bureaucrats killed it, filed it away, or ignored it.”
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In 2010, Devon Woods, who previously served as a senior leader at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), became a senior director at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“In 2010, a man I’ll call Devon Woods, who previously served as a senior leader at ODNI, became a senior director at DIA.”
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James Clapper and Devon Woods did not always see eye to eye, but when Clapper became the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), he offered Woods the job at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) regardless.
“Clapper and Woods didn’t always see eye to eye, but when Clapper made the move to become the DNI, he offered Woods the job at DIA regardless.”
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Luis Elizondo, Jim Semivan, and John Robert decided to move the remnants of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) away from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and house it within Elizondo's portfolio of national programs.
“Jay, John Robert, and I decided to move the remnants of the effort away from DIA and house it within my portfolio of national programs, ensuring the prying eyes of our detractors would no longer have any visibility.”
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Michael Higgins had recently taken over as the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)'s new Director of Operations.
“As it so happened, he had recently taken over as the DIA's new Director of Operations.”
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Luis Elizondo called Michael Higgins and asked him to protect James Lacatski from internal persecution within the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“"Michael, I need you to protect one of our scientists. He is a good man who has done great things for our country, and your agency is trying to persecute him. I need to call in a favor and make sure he is protected from internal DIA forces."”
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Devon Woods assumed a senior role at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“Earlier I mentioned a distinguished leader I'm referring to as Devon Woods, who had assumed a senior role at DIA.”
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Devon Woods accepted the position of deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) after James Clapper became Director of National Intelligence.
“When I next heard that Woods had accepted the position of the deputy director of DIA, I took this to be a consolation prize of sorts.”
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Within thirty to forty-five days of Devon Woods's reassignment to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the agency's attitude toward the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP) work shifted, with higher-ups who had previously welcomed the reports beginning to question why the work was being done.
“Within thirty to forty-five days of my mentor's reassignment to DIA, the atmosphere at the agency changed with respect to our work. Woods brought in colleagues from the CIA. Suddenly the response to Lacatski's well-crafted reports to higher-ups elicited a shift in tone.”
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Devon Woods brought in colleagues from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after moving to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“Woods brought in colleagues from the CIA.”
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James Lacatski's briefing intended for Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and Department of Defense (DoD) leadership included the terms archangels, angels, demons, and spiritual realm.
“The only problem: the briefing Jim wanted to share with leadership included words like *archangels*, *angels*, *demons*, and *spiritual realm*.”
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Michael Higgins was the Defense Intelligence Agency's director of operations before moving to a new assignment.
“Unfortunately, by this time my friend Michael Higgins was no longer DIA’s director of operations and was on to his new assignment.”
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Academic studies commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) produced the Defense Intelligence Research Documents (DIRDs), each focused on individual technologies attempting to explain Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) performance.
“many of the academic studies that were previously commissioned by the DIA and resulted in the Defense Intelligence Research Documents (DIRDs) had all focused on individual technologies which tried to explore and explain UAP performance.”
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Garry Reid was reassigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) as a "special advisor".
“He was reassigned to DIA as a “special advisor.””
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Thomas R. Wilson later became the 13th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
“Later Wilson became the 13th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.”
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program was supported by then-Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Lieutenant General Michael D. Maples, and was funded through the efforts of Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada), Senator Ted Stevens (Republican, Alaska), and Senator Daniel Inouye (Democrat, Hawaii).
“This time, Jim shared that the program enjoyed the support of the DIA's then director, Lieutenant General Michael D. Maples, and was funded through the efforts of a bipartisan group of senators: Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK), and Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI).”
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Jay Stratton and Rosemary Caine recruited Luis Elizondo for his counterintelligence and security experience, for a highly classified program led out of their office at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“"We are interested in your counterintelligence and security experience for a highly classified program led out of our office at DIA."”
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program was described as a small but highly sensitive program focused on unconventional technologies, reporting directly to the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and to the United States Congress.
“They described it as a small but highly sensitive program focused on "unconventional technologies," and said they reported directly to the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and to Congress.”
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program was nestled inside the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), a member of the US intelligence community, and drew its authority directly from the United States Congress, according to James Lacatski.
“Nestled deep inside DIA, a member of the US intelligence community (the IC), AAWSAP drew its authority directly from Congress, according to Jim.”
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Hal Puthoff was a senior scientist for Bigelow Aerospace working on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), examining activity from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)-funded program.
“When I consider some of the things that we did in the AATIP program, I was a senior scientist for Bigelow Aerospace on looking at what was happening out of the DIA-funded program.”
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) was funded through the Defense Intelligence Agency and run using Bigelow Aerospace to investigate the UFO phenomenon.
“these are people who worked in the government on a big program that was funded through DIA using Bigelow Aerospace, investigating the phenomenon.”
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Jim Lacatski is a Defense Intelligence Agency rocket scientist who was involved in the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“Jim Lacatski coming out, you know, who is a DIA rocket scientist involved in AAWSAP.”
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According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, the CIA or the Defense Intelligence Agency hired remote viewers whose sessions repeatedly drew them towards a monastery in the north-eastern United States described as a tall white building, with the indication that the people there would help them.
“apparently how this goes down is the CIA or the DIA at the time hires remote viewers to remote view targets or whatever. Now they're getting pulled in the direction of this monastery in Northeastern United States. And this tall, this sort of big white building is what they're saying.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:13:31.3-01:13:52.0 hearsay third hand
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All three of James Lacatski's books were briefed and scrubbed by the Pentagon and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) through the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) process.
“this has been sanctioned, this has been briefed and scrubbed as have all of his books, all three of his books, from the Pentagon and the- ... The DOPSR Process. ... The DIA, yeah, yeah.”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:07:46.0-00:07:56.9 administrative first hand
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The Defense Intelligence Agency started the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“And so all these years, DIA starts the AAWSAP program”
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) began with an approach to Robert Bigelow from the Defense Intelligence Agency.
“This was an offer that walked in the door. It was a phone call from the DIA to you, right?”
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Robert Bigelow regarded the Defense Intelligence Agency approach as important because it was the first time a genuine government agency had engaged on the UFO subject.
“This is something I think that's super important because it's the first time that we actually have a government agency”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:39:32.3-00:39:37.7 opinion first hand
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Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) produced approximately 100 papers in total, beyond the 38 Data Element Reference Documents (DERDs), and the Defense Intelligence Agency holds copies of them somewhere.
“we have everything we have uh we have all the other papers going up to about approximately a hundred so DIA has has those someplace”
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The Defense Intelligence Agency denies holding the papers produced by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS).
“but they deny it they say we don't have”
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Robert Bigelow does not know where the Defense Intelligence Agency's copies of the Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) papers are held.
“They could be buried in a frigging trailer or the back of a car somewhere in the trunk and it's put into a cellar. I don't know where it is, but we have ours.”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:40:57.5-00:41:07.0 testimony first hand
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The 7,500 pages of documents produced by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) were sent to the Defense Intelligence Agency on a regular basis and have never been released.
“that were sent to dia on a regular basis and that's never been released”
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James Lacatski was a rocket scientist for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“Jim Lacatski is brilliant in many ways, a rocket scientist for DIA.”
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James Lacatski and Jay Stratton worked together at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
“They worked together at DIA and they both explained both in their own areas were seeing UFO reports that were startling.”
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James Lacatski and Jay Stratton were each seeing startling UFO reports in their own areas at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and concluded something needed to be done about it.
“they both explained both in their own areas were seeing UFO reports that were startling. They kept seeing them over and over and they thought we need to do something about it.”
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The agreement Robert Bigelow signed with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) contained provisions for modifying the Bigelow Aerospace plant in Las Vegas in anticipation of receiving unspecified materials.
“As part of the agreement that you signed with DIA, there were provisions that you would modify Bigelow Aerospace Plan in anticipation of receiving some materials. It doesn't say what those materials are”
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The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) contract for the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) was signed by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS).
“Just the contract you signed with DIA for AAWSAP, that BAASS would sign with DIA, provided for you making some modifications to the Bigelow Aerospace Plant.”
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Robert Bigelow told George Knapp at the time that he spent a large sum of his own money making the modifications to the Bigelow Aerospace plant required by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) contract.
“And what you had told me back in those days was you spent a lot of your own money to make that happen. It did happen, right? You did prepare for some eventualities.”
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The Defense Intelligence Agency has refused to release to the United States Congress the classified foreign intelligence reporting about United States retrieval and reverse engineering of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“And once again, that foreign intelligence reporting, the Defense Intelligence Agency has refused to release those classified documents to Congress”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:31:26.7-00:31:36.4 testimony first hand
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Eric Burlison is likely to press Defense Intelligence Agency leadership to obtain the withheld classified foreign intelligence reporting on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“and I know Representative Burlison is likely going to pulse DIA leadership to get that.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:31:37.1-00:31:42.2 testimony first hand
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In the early 2000s the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) ran a programme called the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“there was a DIA program in the early 2000s called AAWSAP”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:39.6-00:48:42.0 testimony first hand