Brief
Avi Loeb
The claims the writer was given for Avi Loeb, in the order they were given.
1
Avi Loeb assembled a science advisory council of about 15 people, including young researchers and experts in physics, oceanography, statistics, and psychology.
“So I decided to assemble a group that includes about 15 people... And then I selected a few nerds. These are young people that would look at it with fresh eyes. And in addition, people with expertise in physics, oceanography, statistics, and psychology, because we're dealing with interaction with humans.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:00:242-00:00:251 administrative first hand
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The United States government is now cooperating with scientists such as Avi Loeb on efforts to understand orbs being observed.
“now the u.s government is cooperating with scientists like myself and i feel a privilege to serve the U.S Government in in cracking down this mystery”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:02:39.8-00:02:49.3 observation first hand
3
Avi Loeb considers that objects being investigated as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) are either human-made or non-human-made, with no other possibilities.
“There are two possibilities. Either if these are technological objects, either they are human-made or non-human-made. These are the two possibilities.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:02:53.4-00:03:02.3 opinion first hand
4
Avi Loeb considers that if the objects observed as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) are human-made, this represents a serious breach of national security because they are not identified by the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies yet hover over strategic assets.
“if they are human-made, then we have a serious breach of national security because these are objects that are not identified by the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies, yet they hover over strategic assets.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:03:03.2-00:03:14.6 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb considers that if even one of the observed objects classified as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) is not human-made, it would be the biggest discovery in the history of science.
“there is, of course, the possibility that maybe one out of all of these objects is enough to have one that is not human-made, in which case it will be the biggest discovery ever made in the history of science.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:03:34.3-00:03:46.6 opinion first hand
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The Vela nuclear-detection satellite program was designed in the 1960s to detect gamma-ray flashes from nuclear explosions, in order to check whether the Soviet Union was violating a nuclear-explosion test ban treaty with the United States.
“There was an example of the Vela satellite program in the 60s that was aiming at detecting gamma ray flashes from nuclear explosions. the suspicion was that the soviets may be cheating and there was a ban a treaty that the soviets signed with the us banning any nuclear explosions”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:04:12.9-00:04:32.3 administrative
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In 1967 the Vela nuclear-detection satellite program detected a gamma-ray flash, followed by about 16 more such flashes in subsequent years.
“then they found in 1967 a gamma ray flash and then a dozen about 16 more in the coming years”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:04:39.4-00:04:45.9 measurement
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The gamma-ray flashes detected by the Vela nuclear-detection satellite program were later found to originate from the collapse of massive stars into black holes, producing narrow jets of high-energy radiation observable across the universe.
“Turns out these are the signals from the collapse of massive stars to make a black hole. You end up with jets of high energy radiation pointed in a very narrow cone and sometimes we see them all the way to the edge of the universe.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:04:51.4-00:05:05.1 observation
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United States government satellites designed to detect infrared flashes from ballistic missile launches also detect fireballs from objects colliding with Earth, which are meteors.
“There was another discovery made by the suite of satellites that the US government employs to look for flashes, infrared flashes from ballistic missile launches... these satellites detect a fireball from an object colliding with Earth, and that's a meteor.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:05:07.1-00:05:27.2 observation
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Avi Loeb found several examples of interstellar meteors within a declassified United States government satellite database, meaning objects originating from outside the solar system that are not gravitationally bound to the Sun and collided with Earth, roughly the size of a person.
“And I found within that database several examples of interstellar meteors, meaning objects that came from outside the solar system. They were moving very fast. They're not bound by gravity to the sun, and they collided with Earth, roughly the size of a person.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:05:32.6-00:05:46.9 observation first hand
11
Avi Loeb was visited at his home by a representative of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), who asked him to lead a science advisory council.
“I had a visit to my home, as I often do... this time it came from ODNI. And they asked if I'm willing to lead a science advisory council.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:17:21.2-00:17:32.8 testimony first hand
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Jon Kosloski is the director of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
“Dr. Jon Kosloski, the director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office,”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:18:03.3-00:18:07.5 administrative
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The All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) third tranche historical record report, released on 2026-06-12, covered a two-day event in October 2023 and stated that 40% of the phenomena examined are not understood.
“Instead of releasing in the third tranche on June 12, this report about the event that lasted two days in October 2023, instead of releasing it to the public and admitting that 40% of the phenomena are not understood,”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:18:08.4-00:18:22.1 administrative second hand
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Avi Loeb considers that Jon Kosloski should have written a classified memo to the Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, about the two-day October 2023 event instead of releasing the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) third tranche historical record report to the public, given the possibility the observed objects could be human-made and a matter of national security.
“he should have written a memo to the Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, that would have been classified because if he suspected that it could be human-made, I mean, these objects, these orbs, then it's a matter of national security and you don't want the adversarial nations to be aware of what we know and so forth.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:18:24.6-00:18:44.6 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb considers it indicative that the objects covered by the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) third tranche historical record report are probably not human-made, because Jon Kosloski released the report publicly rather than classifying it, and Avi Loeb was asked to lead the science advisory council the same week.
“Instead, he released it to the public and the same week, I was asked to lead this council, which is very indicative, in my opinion, that it's clear to whoever examined the data that we're dealing with something that is probably not human made, okay?”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:18:45.5-00:19:01.5 opinion first hand
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Within six days of its first Zoom call, Avi Loeb's science advisory council compiled more than 50 items of information and submitted them to the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
“what we did within six days after I assembled the team, after we had the first Zoom call, which was last week, we came up within six days with more than 50 items of information... we submitted it to the UAP”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:21:06.4-00:21:21.0 administrative first hand
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There is a governing board for Avi Loeb's science advisory council that includes representatives from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the White House, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the intelligence community, who have access to classified material.
“There is a governing board that includes representatives from ODNI, from the White House, from the FBI, from the intelligence community. And so those representatives have access, of course, to all the classified material.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:21:38.5-00:21:53.6 administrative first hand
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Avi Loeb intends to join the governing board of his science advisory council.
“Are you on the governing board as well? I will be.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:21:54.3-00:21:56.9 testimony first hand
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Hal Puthoff considers that if Avi Loeb sensed the beginnings of a shutdown or cover-up of the new UAP investigation effort, Loeb would quit immediately.
“Avi Loeb if he even smelled the beginnings of a shutdown activity he would say i'm i'm done i'm out of here so”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:26:15.4-00:26:21.2 opinion first hand
20
Avi Loeb considers it possible that he is being used as a figurehead for some other purpose in his new UAP-related role, as an alternative to the government being sincere in a cooperative approach.
“I said there are two possibilities. Either I'm being used as a puppet, you know, for some other purpose, or Government is sincere and we are dealing with cooperation, a cooperative approach.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:26:37.9-00:26:53.1 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb considers President Trump sincere in the way he pursues the UAP topic.
“And I think President Trump is definitely sincere in the way that he pursues it.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:26:54.1-00:27:00.6 opinion first hand
22
Avi Loeb, based on conversations with people across branches of government, senses that government officials are genuinely baffled and do not understand what UAP are.
“And I feel from speaking to them that they're really baffled, that they don't understand what these things are.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:27:28.3-00:27:33.8 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb recommends examining fresh UAP data collected by the US government and military using improved sensors over the past decade.
“So there should be also fresh data that was collected over the past decade since those programs where the evidence is even clearer. So I would recommend looking at that as well.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:30:22.4-00:30:31.8 opinion first hand
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Galileo Galilei used his telescope to observe the moons of Jupiter, concluding they did not orbit the Earth.
“when Galileo Galilei used his telescope to look at the moons of Jupiter, the Vatican, the church didn't like that conclusion that they are not moving around the earth”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:39:39.0-00:39:48.4 observation
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The Vatican tried Galileo Galilei and put him under house arrest for his conclusion that celestial bodies did not orbit the Earth.
“They wanted to suppress this whistleblower. They tried him and put him in house arrest.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:39:50.3-00:39:55.5 observation
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In 1992 the Catholic Church released a public statement admitting that Galileo Galilei was right and the Church had been wrong.
“eventually in 1992, the church released a public statement admitting that He was right and they were wrong.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:39:58.5-00:40:04.6 observation
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Avi Loeb considers that a lesson from the Galileo Galilei case is that when good enough data is available, nobody can deny it.
“the other lesson from this history is not only that when good enough data is available, nobody can deny it.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:40:06.9-00:40:12.7 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb notes that nobody imprisoned the Vatican bureaucracy for hiding existential information about Galileo Galilei's findings from the public.
“nobody put the bureaucracy of the church, of the Vatican, in jail for hiding existential information from the public, right?”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:40:15.7-00:40:27.3 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb believes efforts should focus on getting to the bottom of what UAP are, rather than obsessing over the past or blaming bureaucrats for being gatekeepers.
“my... reading from that history is that we should focus on getting to the bottom of what these things are rather than obsessing with the past and trying to blame bureaucrats for being gatekeepers.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:40:29.1-00:40:43.0 opinion first hand
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String theory was a popular idea for about 50 years, proposing extra dimensions in order to reconcile quantum mechanics and gravity.
“in terms of extra dimensions, that was a popular idea for 50 years that string theory suggested in order to marry quantum mechanics and gravity.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:41:35.9-00:41:45.1 opinion first hand
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No evidence has been detected that string theory is correct.
“we haven't detected any evidence that string theory is right, okay?”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:41:59.6-00:42:06.1 opinion first hand
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Laboratory experiments attempting to measure the existence of extra dimensions concluded that any extra dimension must be curled up to less than one millimetre in size, because otherwise gravity would not follow an inverse square law.
“people have tried to measure the existence of extra dimensions in the laboratory, there are laboratory experiments, and they concluded that any extra dimension must be curled up, tiny, to less than a millimeter in size because otherwise gravity would not be an inverse square law.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:42:07.6-00:42:23.3 measurement first hand
33
Margot Robbie recognised Avi Loeb at an event and asked to learn more about his Galileo project.
“i was at an event a year ago where margot robis noticed me and said that are you Avi Loeb i want to learn more about your Galileo project”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:49:44.1-00:49:53.7 testimony first hand
34
Jensen Huang approached Margot Robbie and Avi Loeb at the same event and greeted Margot Robbie.
“then Jensen Huang shows up and says to her oh it's such a great pleasure to meet a star like you”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:49:58.7-00:50:05.4 testimony first hand
35
Avi Loeb was on a movie set in New York City where the script's main character has an alien encounter and wants to speak with Avi Loeb to understand what it means, and Avi Loeb appeared on camera alongside Brandon Routh, who played Superman in a 2006 film.
“the main character is meeting, has an alien encounter... he wanted to speak with professor Avi Loeb to figure out what this means and so then there I was on a camera roll you know next to an actor that played the Superman in 2006 Brandon Routh”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:50:26.0-00:50:47.2 testimony first hand
36
Avi Loeb receives artwork such as paintings and sculptures sent to him by people inspired by the topic of UAP and alien encounters.
“like pieces of art, paintings, sculptures, all kinds, people are sending it my way because they think this is a very, that's a fascinating”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:51:00.2-00:51:09.1 testimony first hand
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Immaculate Constellation was mentioned in the United States Congress.
“That was mentioned in the Congress.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:51:54.8-00:51:56.8 testimony first hand
38
Avi Loeb's UAP governing board is requesting that information related to the alleged National Security Council imagery intelligence programme be declassified or shared with him or his council.
“we are requesting information to be declassified or at the very least shared with me or my counsel”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:52:34.5-00:52:42.3 testimony first hand
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Avi Loeb hopes that agencies holding relevant data will move toward a mode of cooperation rather than blocking, provided this does not jeopardise national security.
“my hope is that they will be in a mode of cooperation rather than blocking as long as it doesn't jeopardize national security”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:53:05.7-00:53:11.9 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb considers information from decades ago irrelevant for the current battlefield because of much better technologies now available, and believes such old information should be released in full.
“Everything that was found decades ago is irrelevant for the battlefield nowadays, right? Because we have much better technologies. Therefore, if you go back enough, these things should be released in full.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:53:21.2-00:53:32.5 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb intends to do his best to push through obstacles encountered from gatekeepers while pursuing UAP records.
“Well, I will do my best to push through these obstacles.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:53:45.3-00:53:48.2 opinion first hand
42
Avi Loeb states he does not pay attention to maximising his number of likes or to public audience approval, and just tries to do the right thing.
“I'm not about maximizing the number of likes that I get I don't know if you follow me but I don't pay attention to the audience I just try to do the right thing”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:53:59.2-00:54:08.3 opinion first hand
43
Avi Loeb states that if he is not successful and cannot achieve anything in pushing for disclosure, he will give up.
“I will do my best if I'm not successful and I cannot achieve anything, which is a possibility, I'll just give up.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:54:09.3-00:54:18.8 opinion first hand
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Avi Loeb states he never manipulates people and will confront gatekeepers clearly if he identifies them.
“I never manipulate people, and they will hear from me quite clearly if I know who they are, yeah.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:54:32.6-00:54:38.9 opinion first hand
45
Edward Teller coordinated a conference with distinguished scientists discussing UAP in the 1950s.
“there was a conference that Edward Teller coordinated with the most distinguished scientists discussing UAP back in 1950s.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:56:43.3-00:56:52.6 testimony first hand
46
Vannevar Bush lived in Belmont, Massachusetts, which is next to Lexington, Massachusetts, where Avi Loeb lives.
“Vannevar Bush lived in Belmont, which is just next to where I live in Lexington, Massachusetts.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:57:23.6-00:57:29.2 testimony first hand
47
A former high-level executive from Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company visited Avi Loeb's home, and when asked whether there was truth to claims of Lockheed Martin having its own retrieval and recovery activities, said it was not wrong.
“I had a high-level executive from Lockheed Martin, a former high-level executive, visit my home, and I asked him, is there any truth to these claims? And he said, it's not wrong.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:58:34.0-00:58:48.7 testimony second hand
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Avi Loeb of the Galileo Project speculated that the blue lights seen in imagery from the Apollo 12 and Apollo 17 missions were camera artifacts, possibly caused by diffraction of dust inside the camera lens.
“Professor Avi Loeb from the Galileo Project suggested, he speculated that the blue lights that were seen in the imagery from the Apollo 12 and Apollo 17 missions... He tried to suggest that those lights were camera artifacts or perhaps caused by diffraction of dust inside the lens somehow.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:10:00.5-00:10:20.6 opinion second hand
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Maaneli "Max" Derakhshani considers Avi Loeb's prosaic explanation of the Apollo 17 blue-lights anomaly to be very contrived.
“I think that that is a very contrived prosaic explanation of the UAP anomaly in the Apollo 17 image.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:11:14.9-00:11:28.2 opinion first hand