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Chris Ramsay

The claims the writer was given for Chris Ramsay, in the order they were given.

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1
Justin (Lights Over Loveland) captured video of what appears to be a triangular craft being escorted by orbs during Justin's triangular UAP sighting over Lights Over Loveland property.
“He captured a triangular, what appears to be a triangular craft, being escorted by one of these orbs.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:00:00.0-00:00:04.4 observation second hand
2
During an overnight flight to Germany, Chris Ramsey observed multiple orange orbs illuminating clouds below the aircraft at an altitude of approximately 9,000 metres.
“I was flying to Germany... 30,000 feet in the air... in the clouds below me, I can only describe what seems to be these orange orbs illuminating the clouds at different spots.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:00:201.0-00:00:219.0 observation first hand
3
Chris Ramsey's main YouTube channel is focused on magic and puzzles.
“I know some of you may know me from my main channel doing magic and puzzles.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:00:43.2-00:00:45.8 administrative first hand
4
Luis Elizondo is the former head of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) at the Pentagon.
“the former head of the pentagon's advanced aerospace threat identification program or a tip”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:02:16.7-00:02:21.2 administrative
5
Jay Stratton recently signed a book publishing deal.
“Jay Stratton also recently signed a book publishing deal.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:02:31.5-00:02:35.5 administrative
6
Chuck Schumer continues to push for the passage of the UAP Disclosure Act, which would require declassification of government-held UAP related documents, similar to the JFK files.
“Senator Chuck Schumer continues to push for the passage of the UAP Disclosure Act, which would require the declassification of government held UAP related documents, much like they did with the JFK files.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:02:38.3-00:02:50.2 administrative
7
Nancy Mace is poised to lead the next congressional UAP hearing in September 2024.
“Representative Nancy Mace is poised to lead the next congressional UAP hearing this September.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:02:53.2-00:02:58.8 administrative
8
Police chiefs in major cities in the United States were sent an 11-page document on how to deal with UAP sightings.
“the police chiefs in the major cities in the United States were apparently sent an 11 page document on how to deal with UAP sightings.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:03:05.7-00:03:14.7 administrative
9
The 11-page UAP guidance document sent to US police chiefs covers the history of UAP, from Roswell to recent congressional hearings.
“It basically goes through the history of UAP, everything from Roswell to the recent congressional hearings.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:03:18.6-00:03:23.6 administrative second hand
10
The 11-page UAP guidance document sent to US police chiefs describes the different programmes studying UAP and the channels available for reporting UAP activity.
“the different programs that are studying UAP and the different channels that you can report UAP activity to.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:03:24.9-00:03:30.5 administrative second hand
11
James Randi was a magician famous for debunking Extrasensory Perception (ESP) and paranormal phenomena.
“there is another famous magician, James Randi... who was famous for debunking a lot of this phenomenon, ESP and paranormal stuff.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:05:49.2-00:05:59.1 administrative
12
James Randi set out a challenge, initially offering 10,000 US dollars and later raising it to one million US dollars, to anyone who could unequivocally prove that some form of Extrasensory Perception (ESP) existed under his conditions.
“He even set out a challenge, a million-dollar challenge, which at first I think was like $10,000 and then upped it to a million. If you could unequivocally prove under his conditions that some form of ESP existed, then he would give you that prize.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:06:04.6-00:06:15.6 administrative
13
No one successfully claimed James Randi's Extrasensory Perception (ESP) challenge prize.
“No one claimed it today.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:06:16.5-00:06:17.3 administrative
14
Chris Ramsey performs as a magician.
“I am a magician.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:06:39.6-00:06:40.2 administrative first hand
15
Chris Ramsey named his channel 'Area 52' partly from his handle 'Chris Ramsey 52', referencing the 52 cards in a deck.
“the name itself 52 comes from, you know, all my handles, which is Chris Ramsey 52, 52 being 52 cards in a deck of cards.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:06:56.6-00:07:05.6 administrative first hand
16
Area 52, the real place, was part of the inspiration for the name of Chris Ramsey's channel.
“Also, I thought it was fitting, you know, the Area 52 is a real place.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:07:08.7-00:07:11.5 administrative first hand
17
Chris Ramsey practised remote viewing for over a year.
“I did remote viewing for a year and more.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:10:57.9-00:11:00.1 testimony first hand
18
Chris Ramsey has spoken with physicists who have studied and researched remote viewing.
“I've spoken to physicists who have studied and researched remote viewing.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:11:01.4-00:11:06.2 testimony first hand
19
Chris Ramsey has spoken with people who were hired by government agencies for over 20 years to work as professional remote viewers.
“I've spoken to people who were hired by government agencies for over 20 years to be professional remote viewers.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:11:07.1-00:11:13.0 testimony first hand
20
Chris Ramsey considers remote viewing to be real, believing there is something to it.
“I've come to the conclusion that remote viewing is real, that there is something there.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:11:23.5-00:11:28.0 opinion first hand
21
Chris Ramsey has personally investigated and come to accept out-of-body experience as something real to him.
“The second, out-of-body experience. I got to know out-of-body experience. I know you.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:11:59.4-00:12:03.5 opinion first hand
22
Chris Ramsey has not yet personally investigated Bigfoot and does not accept it as confirmed based only on others' accounts.
“Some of my friends are like, oh, no, Bigfoot is real. We saw him... as a person, I don't know Bigfoot. I don't know who that is. And I am not letting him into my house without meeting him first.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:12:26.1-00:12:37.9 opinion first hand
23
Chris Ramsey considers Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) to be confirmed to exist, based on video, photo, and testimonial evidence.
“UFOs, you're allowed in. We know you exist. We have videos. We have photos. We have testimony.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:13:26.4-00:13:31.5 opinion first hand
24
Chris Ramsey observed that the orange orbs seen over the ocean during his flight to Germany did not appear to be moving, though it was hard to tell.
“They didn't seem to be moving, although it was hard to tell, and they were quite low below me.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:15:08.5-00:15:14.4 observation first hand
25
Chris Ramsey's video of the Tic Tac-shaped object seen near Nellis Air Force Base went viral, reaching the front page of Reddit with approximately 15,000 upvotes.
“This was on a flight once again. And this one went a little bit viral. Got to the front page of Reddit. I think 15,000 upvotes.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:17:05.0-00:17:16.3 administrative first hand
26
During his second sighting, Chris Ramsey saw what he described as a Tic Tac-shaped or pill-shaped object in the sky while flying with Wes Barker from Montreal to Los Angeles, near Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, USA.
“I saw what I can only describe as a Tic Tac, a giant pill in the sky... We were flying from, I think, Montreal to L.A. and over the state of Nevada, right around Nellis Air Force Base.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:17:17.7-00:17:37.8 testimony first hand
27
Chris Ramsey observed no discernible wings or tail on the pill-shaped object he saw near Nellis Air Force Base, despite being close enough to distinguish wings and tails on other aircraft at similar distance.
“there was no discernible wings, no discern discernible tail. And at the distance it was at, I would have been able to see wings or a tail because I remember seeing other craft, other airplanes and noticing their wings and tails.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:18:21.7-00:18:39.2 observation first hand
28
An unnamed passenger seated across the aisle from Chris Ramsey and Wes Barker also observed the pill-shaped object near Nellis Air Force Base.
“we call him over and we're like, look, and he looks and he also saw it.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:20:10.3-00:20:13.8 observation second hand
29
A flight attendant who viewed Chris Ramsey's footage of the pill-shaped object near Nellis Air Force Base said she did not know what it was and confirmed it had no wings.
“This flight attendant was like, yeah, I don't know what that is. It has no wings.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:21:04.7-00:21:07.0 hearsay second hand
30
A pilot who viewed Chris Ramsey's footage of the object near Nellis Air Force Base said it was not a plane.
“I go to the pilot and I show him my video and I say, does this look like a plane to you?... he goes, he's like, no, that's not a plane.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:21:08.6-00:21:20.2 hearsay second hand
31
Chris Ramsey personally spent time with Jeremy Corbell.
“when I met Jeremy Corbell, I spent some time with Jeremy.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:21:45.3-00:21:47.8 testimony first hand
32
Chris Ramsey considers Jeremy Corbell to be very passionate and involved in the UAP/UFO subject, and someone who has done a lot for the UFO movement.
“He's super passionate, very involved in the UAP UFO subject... has done a lot for the UFO movement, in my opinion.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:21:50.5-00:21:56.3 opinion first hand
33
Jeremy Corbell said that Chris Ramsey's footage was the clearest footage he had ever seen from a civilian of a Tic Tac UFO or UAP.
“But I showed this footage to Jeremy, and Jeremy said, that is the clearest footage I've ever seen from a civilian of a Tic Tac UFO or UAP.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:22:19.6-00:22:30.6 opinion second hand
34
During Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting, the object was shaped like a black triangle.
“This was essentially a black triangle.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:23:06.9-00:23:10.5 observation first hand
35
Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting occurred in November 2023.
“It was November of 2023, I believe, last year.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:23:12.8-00:23:18.2 observation first hand
36
During Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting, the object had three lights with one green emerald light in the middle.
“now I'm realizing there are three lights. And one green emerald light in the middle.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:24:14.6-00:24:24.2 observation first hand
37
During Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting, the object made no noise as it flew almost overhead at low altitude.
“It's flying almost overhead... there's no noise, none, no noise.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:24:46.7-00:24:50.6 observation first hand
38
During Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting, two of the three lights on the object went out at the moment Chris Ramsey began recording video.
“And the second I hit record, two of the lights go out.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:25:59.7-00:26:03.6 observation first hand
39
After the two remaining lights were filmed during Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting, Chris Ramsey followed them until they went behind a mountain and were not seen again.
“Eventually, I followed it, by the way, and it goes behind a mountain and we don't see it again.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:26:21.4-00:26:24.3 observation first hand
40
Chris Ramsey considers that there is no flight path in the area where he filmed the two lights during his November 2023 black triangle sighting.
“there is no flight path in this area.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:26:56.1-00:26:58.1 opinion first hand
41
Chris Ramsey considers that what he saw during his November 2023 black triangle sighting was definitely not a plane.
“what I saw was definitely not a plane.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:28:02.7-00:28:04.7 opinion first hand
42
Chris Ramsey considers the fact that the object made a noise when it phased in during Justin's triangular UAP sighting over Lights Over Loveland property to be interesting.
“The fact that it made a noise when it phased in is also really interesting.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:31:29.8-00:31:32.3 opinion first hand
43
Coral Lorenzen and Jim Lorenzen were directors of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization.
“Coral and Jim Lorenzen, directors of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:33:42.3-00:33:45.8 administrative first hand
44
Flying Saucer Occupants compiles accounts of people who have seen or met extraterrestrials going back to the early 1900s.
“it compiles a bunch of times that people have seen or met extraterrestrials... it goes back all the way to like the early 1900s”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 00:33:47.5-00:33:57.2 administrative first hand
45
During Chris Ramsey's November 2023 black triangle sighting, Chris Ramsey was driving home when he saw a very bright light far away that appeared like a star.
“I was driving home... I see this thing... I see a light, a very bright light far away like a star, but pretty bright.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 10-21 observation first hand
46
Chris Ramsey observed that none of the two lights filmed during his November 2023 black triangle sighting were flashing.
“none of those lights are flashing... They're not flashing, you can tell.”
The Clearest Video of a Tic Tac UAP! - DEBRIEFED ep. 6 2024-09-13 78-81 observation first hand
47
A streak of unidentified aerial phenomena were taken down by US and Canadian authorities starting on 2023-01-04 in USA, South Carolina.
“there was a streak of these quote unquote spy balloons that were taken down starting on January 4th in South Carolina.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:02:53.8-00:03:00.1 administrative first hand
48
The image of the craft downed in the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown was released via a Freedom of Information request, or its Canadian equivalent, submitted to the Canadian Armed Forces.
“This, folks, is the image released by a Freedom of Information request or the equivalent to a Freedom of Information request. submitted to the Canadian Armed Forces.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:03:21.9-00:03:33.8 administrative first hand
49
Multiple craft were downed by North American authorities during the same period in early 2023 as the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown, and the object downed over USA, Alaska was a separate object from the one downed in Canada, Yukon.
“Now, there were multiple crafts that were downed during this time period, so it's important to know which one is which. The one over Alaska that was downed that was as small as a car, that was a different one than this one.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:03:37.8-00:03:49.5 administrative first hand
50
The object downed over USA, Alaska in early 2023 was spotted at approximately 12,000 metres altitude and was tracked for about 24 hours over sensitive airspace in Alaska before being taken down by an F-22.
“That one was spotted at 40,000 feet and was tracked for about 24 hours going over some sensitive airspace in Alaska before it was taken down by an F-22.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:03:52.9-00:04:01.9 measurement first hand
51
The craft in the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown passed over Canadian skies and was swiftly taken down with the help of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD).
“This is one that went over Canadian skies... It was swiftly taken down. as well with the help of NORAD.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:04:07.2-00:04:13.4 administrative first hand
52
The craft from the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown and other craft taken down during the same period have apparently not been recovered, allegedly because the terrain was too rugged.
“This and the others apparently have not been recovered. The terrain was allegedly too rugged.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:04:17.2-00:04:23.8 administrative
53
An internal Canadian government email exchange regarding the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown was poised to be released publicly, possibly via a tweet, a few days after the object was taken down, but someone in the government stepped in and blocked its release, citing a possible breach of national security or protocol.
“this went back and forth internally in the Canadian government, and it was poised to be released, to be tweeted, actually, maybe a few days after it was taken. However, someone stepped in and said, no, we cannot release this. This might be a breach of national security. It might be against protocol.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:04:44.9-00:05:01.3 administrative
54
The object taken down over USA, Alaska in early 2023 was not a balloon.
“Now, it's also important to note that the object taken down in Alaska was not a balloon.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:06:08.8-00:06:15.0 administrative first hand
55
The 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown engagement took place and the object was downed at 3:41pm Eastern Time over Canada, Yukon.
“The engagement took place and the object was downed at 341 Eastern Time over Yukon, which is a Canadian territory.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:07:19.3-00:07:25.1 administrative first hand
56
Canadian Armed Forces members and assets were sent en route to attempt recovery of the craft from the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown, under the lead of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) at the request of public safety authorities.
“Canadian Armed Forces members and assets at the request and under the lead of public safety RCMP are now en route to proceed with the recovery.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:07:25.8-00:07:34.8 administrative
57
A recovery attempt was made for the craft from the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown, but nothing was apparently found, and the attempt was called off.
“So there was a recovery attempt made. Did they find anything? Apparently not. They called it off a little bit later.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:07:35.5-00:07:43.6 administrative first hand
58
The best available description of UAP-23 is that it was a visually observed cylindrical object with a metallic top quarter and a white remainder.
“The best description that we have is visual, a cylindrical object. Top quarter is metallic. Remainder is white.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:07:45.6-00:07:56.2 observation
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UAP-23 had a wire approximately 6 metres long hanging below it, with a package of some sort suspended from the wire.
“20 foot wire hanging below with a package of some sort suspended from it.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:07:57.7-00:08:02.4 measurement
60
The craft downed in the 2023 Yukon UAP shootdown was officially named UAP-23 because it was the 23rd sighting of a UAP in that short period of time.
“They even call it UAP-23 because this is the 23rd sighting in that short amount of time that they've had of a UAP. So this is UAP-23. That is the official name of this craft, by the way.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:08:57.3-00:09:11.0 administrative
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A video purporting to show a fast-moving craft resembling UAP-23 was uploaded in 2012 and was filmed over South Korea, Busan.
“The second piece of evidence that I present to you folks is this video here. This was uploaded in 2012, flown over Busan, South Korea.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:11:09.2-00:11:49.0 observation
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The Baltic Sea anomaly was discovered in June 2011 by the Ocean X Team, a group of treasure hunters, while they were searching for shipwrecks in the Baltic Sea.
“this was discovered in june of 2011 by a group of treasure hunters known as the ocean x team while searching for shipwrecks”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:15:23.2-00:15:29.0 administrative second hand
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There are divisions of the United States government dedicated to finding out what unidentified aerial phenomena are, including the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), and the former Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“There are divisions of the government that are dedicated to finding out what these UAP are, whether that's through NASA or through Arrow, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. or even through the former ATIP program.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:18:01.1-00:18:15.5 administrative first hand
64
Moment of Contact tells the story of the Varginha UFO incident, a crash retrieval that involved the entire town of Brazil, Varginha, with dozens if not hundreds of witnesses.
“It's the story of this crash retrieval that happened in Virginia, Brazil, involving the entire town, dozens, if not hundreds of witnesses.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:19:30.4-00:19:37.8 administrative first hand
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Both the United States military and the Brazilian military were involved in the Varginha UFO incident.
“The US military was involved, the Brazilian military.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:19:38.4-00:19:40.5 administrative first hand
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There were cover-ups, payoffs, and bodies involved in the Varginha UFO incident, with doctors studying the bodies.
“There was cover ups. There was payoffs. There was bodies. There was doctors studying these bodies, an incredible documentary.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:19:41.3-00:19:48.4 administrative first hand
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The UAP Disclosure Act was pushed back again, this time by Senator Mitch McConnell.
“We also found out recently that the UAP Disclosure Act had been pushed back yet again, this time by Senator Mitch McConnell.”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:19:59.4-00:20:07.5 administrative first hand
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If passed, the UAP Disclosure Act would allow investigation and disclosure of past UAP events to the public, similar to the release of the JFK assassination records.
“this disclosure act if passed would mean that we can look into past uap events and disclose them to the public much like they would with the jfk assassination”
Horseshoe UAP Video Surfaces! - DEBRIEFED ep. 08 2024-10-02 00:20:08.6-00:20:18.4 administrative first hand
69
A top-secret parent program called Immaculate Constellation was recently divulged in the news.
“the divulgence of a apparently top-secret parent program called Immaculate Constellation.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:01:31.2-00:01:40.2 administrative
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Michael Schellenberger published an in-depth report on Immaculate Constellation on 2024-10-09 on his platform Public.
“He published an in-depth report on October 9th, 2024 on his platform Public.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:02:50.5-00:02:55.2 administrative
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Michael Schellenberger's report states that Immaculate Constellation handles classified materials related to UAP encounters.
“His report highlighted that this program handles classified materials related to UAP encounters and operates under an unacknowledged special access program, USAP.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:02:55.8-00:03:07.3 hearsay second hand
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Immaculate Constellation operates under an unacknowledged special access program (USAP), according to Michael Schellenberger's report.
“and operates under an unacknowledged special access program, USAP.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:02.0-00:03:07.3 hearsay second hand
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Immaculate Constellation was reportedly initiated in 2017, following the United States Department of Defense (Pentagon)'s admission of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“The program was reportedly initiated in 2017 following the Pentagon's admission of the AATIP program.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:08.0-00:03:13.7 hearsay second hand
74
Chris Ramsey has not been shown the whistleblower report that Michael Schellenberger's Immaculate Constellation piece is based on.
“Obviously, I've not been subjected to this document,”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:14.5-00:03:16.3 administrative first hand
75
The identity of the Immaculate Constellation whistleblower is not yet known, and Chris Ramsey speculates the whistleblower might be revealed at the November 13, 2024 congressional hearing on UAP.
“whose name we do not yet know and who my guess might show up in the upcoming November 13th congressional hearing about UAPs,”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:22.9-00:03:29.8 opinion first hand
76
According to Michael Schellenberger's report, the special access program Immaculate Constellation tracks, retrieves and archives data on UFO sightings and encounters.
“But he says that this special access program tracks, retrieves and archives data on UFO sightings and encounters.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:31.0-00:03:36.8 hearsay second hand
77
An unnamed whistleblower reported an incident involving orbs swarming an F-22 Raptor jet, as one of the notable cases documented by Immaculate Constellation.
“Number one, orbs swarming an F-22 jet.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:42.7-00:03:45.2 hearsay third hand
78
F-22 Raptor jets were used to scramble UAP that appeared in the prior year.
“F-22s were also used to scramble these UAP that sort of popped up last year.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:03:48.8-00:03:53.6 testimony
79
According to a whistleblower report, an F-22 Raptor disengaged from its zone, apparently prompted by an orb encounter.
“So apparently it prompted this F-22 to disengage from its zone?”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:04:32.9-00:04:36.1 hearsay third hand
80
A Navy pilot witnessed an orange-red sphere descending rapidly from high altitude, in an incident reported as part of the Immaculate Constellation documentation.
“This incident describes a Navy pilot who witnessed an orange-red sphere descending rapidly from high altitude.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:04:40.3-00:04:46.8 hearsay third hand
81
Chris Ramsey visited Chris Bledsoe in North Carolina.
“Really interesting because when I went out to North Carolina recently to visit Chris Bledsoe, who I'll mention a little bit later as well”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:04:48.1-00:04:55.2 testimony first hand
82
Ryan Bledsoe is the son of Chris Bledsoe and hosts a podcast.
“I was with Ryan Bledsoe, his son, who has a podcast.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:05:06.7-00:05:08.8 administrative first hand
83
While visiting North Carolina, Chris Ramsey saw a row of nine orange glowing orbs over the ocean, resembling what was described by the Navy pilot in the Immaculate Constellation report.
“We ended up seeing something akin to what's being described by this Navy pilot, which were these orange glowing orbs. There was like a row of nine of them over the ocean.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:05:15.7-00:05:25.3 observation first hand
84
People unknown to Chris Ramsey who observed the orange orbs over the ocean off North Carolina ended up calling the Coast Guard.
“There were people who we didn't know that ended up calling the Coast Guard.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:05:25.6-00:05:28.2 observation first hand
85
Chris Ramsey documented and filmed the sighting of orange glowing orbs over the ocean near North Carolina.
“I documented the whole thing. We did catch some of them on film.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:05:37.8-00:05:39.9 observation first hand
86
The term Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV) is one of the topics mentioned in the whistleblower document underlying Immaculate Constellation.
“One of the other notable things that this document mentions, apparently, is ARVs.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:05:45.9-00:05:51.0 hearsay third hand
87
Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV) refers to a reverse-engineered human-built version of an alien craft, not a vehicle for reproduction in the biological sense.
“It's not like an impregnation vehicle or anything, but reproductive in the sense that it is like a reverse engineered human version of an alien craft.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:06:04.2-00:06:13.6 opinion first hand
88
Alien Reproduction Vehicles are either reverse-engineered craft based on non-human technology, or entirely novel designs influenced by such technologies.
“So they're either reverse engineered crafts based on non-human technology or entirely novel designs influenced by such technologies.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:06:14.1-00:06:22.2 opinion first hand
89
Bob Lazar worked on Project Gravator.
“I know recently I did a video deep dive into Bob Lazar's latest project, Project Gravator.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:06:41.2-00:06:45.6 administrative
90
Bob Lazar was the first person to publicly claim he worked on retrieved alien craft.
“It is interesting that Bob was like the first guy to come out and say he worked on these crafts.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:07:01.8-00:07:05.8 opinion first hand
91
Bob Lazar claimed to have worked on intact alien craft.
“Not only did he say he worked on these crafts, but he worked on ones that were intact.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:07:06.4-00:07:10.4 hearsay second hand
92
Crashed craft from the 1947 Roswell incident were reportedly dragged to USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
“And we knew that these were crashed crafts that were apparently dragged down to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:07:19.4-00:07:24.9 hearsay
93
Immaculate Constellation reportedly contains a robust collection of imagery, including infrared, forward-looking infrared (FLIR) camera footage, full-motion video (FMV), and other surveillance footage documenting UAP encounters.
“The program reportedly contains a robust collection of imagery, including infrared, forward-looking infrared, so FLIR cameras, full-motion video, FMVs, and other types of surveillance footage documenting these UAP encounters.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:07:51.0-00:08:04.0 hearsay third hand
94
According to Google Trends, the search term "Immaculate Constellation" was searched only a few times before, in June 2023, near USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
“it was only ever searched, apparently, according to Google Trends, a few times before in June of 2023 near... You guessed it, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:08:14.3-00:08:27.5 measurement second hand
95
David Grush came out publicly in June 2023.
“And you know what else came out in June of 2023? David Grush.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:08:32.0-00:08:36.9 administrative
96
David Grush never mentioned Immaculate Constellation.
“Although David Grush never mentioned Immaculate Constellation,”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:08:37.3-00:08:40.7 administrative first hand
97
Chris Ramsey believes that Google Trends data on searches for "Immaculate Constellation" has since been deleted.
“And I do believe that since then, that Google Trends has been deleted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do think that that happened.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:08:53.3-00:09:00.6 opinion first hand
98
USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base has a historic reputation and has been rumoured to house craft retrieved from the 1947 Roswell incident.
“Wright-Patterson has a historic reputation and has been rumored to house, you know, the crafts that were retrieved from Roswell initially.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:09:05.0-00:09:15.4 hearsay
99
Jesse Marshall was the man pictured with the weather balloon material from the 1947 Roswell incident, and later said publicly that it was a cover-up and there was no weather balloon.
“witnesses who were there, including Jesse Marshall, I believe his name was, the guy in the picture with the quote-unquote weather balloon from Roswell, who did come forward years later and said, you know, it was a cover-up. There was no weather balloon.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:09:34.9-00:09:49.2 testimony second hand
100
Jesse Marshall said there were actual pieces of a craft at the 1947 Roswell incident site, rather than a weather balloon.
“There were actual pieces of the craft.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:09:49.8-00:09:50.7 testimony second hand
101
The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) is one of the most secretive departments among United States intelligence agencies.
“one of the most secretive departments in all of the intelligence agencies in the United States is the national reconnaissance office NRO.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:10:24.0-00:10:32.9 opinion first hand
102
The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) has placed distinctive patches and crests on its satellites, each representing a different mission.
“You see, these are patches that represent different satellites that were launched into space. Each of these patches represents a different mission.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:11:22.6-00:11:30.3 observation first hand
103
George Knapp discussed a transmedium craft that dives into water and becomes a USO, an unidentified submerged object.
“But he does talk about one of these transmedium crafts, meaning one of these UAP diving into water and becoming a USO, an unidentified submerged object.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:14:09.5-00:14:18.2 testimony second hand
104
There has been a lot of activity involving UAP or USO sightings near coastal Air Force bases or Navy bases, including sightings involving David Fravor and Graves.
“there has definitely been a lot of activity in the water. If you noticed coastal Air Force bases or Navy bases being a you know, involved with sightings such as, you know, Commander Fravers was and Graves.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:14:40.7-00:14:51.9 opinion first hand
105
A leaked document from an alleged whistleblower on 4chan, dated approximately a year and a half before this broadcast, described UAPs or USOs and claimed they were monitoring a construction facility in the ocean.
“Also that leak or that quote unquote whistleblower on 4chan a year and a half ago... That was a really interesting document about how, you know, UAPs or USOs existed and that they were monitoring this, you know, construction facility in the ocean.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:14:55.6-00:15:11.1 hearsay second hand
106
Nancy Mace will lead the congressional hearing on UAP scheduled for November 13, 2024.
“So Nancy Mace will be leading the congressional hearing on UAPs November 13th.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:15:50.9-00:15:54.9 administrative
107
Photos of alleged spheres or jellyfish-like UAPs, also referred to as Afghanistan Reapers, recently appeared in the news.
“I wanted to mention another thing that popped up in the news, which were these two photos of alleged spheres or jellyfish-like UAPs slash Afghanistan Reapers is what they're allegedly being called.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:16:26.1-00:16:41.9 hearsay
108
A whistleblower using the name Ghost reached out to the host of the podcast Chaos Moogle and provided two photos of alleged UAP spheres.
“There's a podcast called Chaos Moogle, and a few days ago, somebody reached out to him, an alleged whistleblower by the name of Ghost, okay, and dropped these two photos.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:16:42.5-00:16:52.4 hearsay second hand
109
The Mosul Sphere image, viewed from a top-down angle, appeared to show the orb moving through the sky.
“from a top-down angle you can see this orb sort of moving about”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:17:10.4-00:17:13.4 observation
110
An image allegedly shows what the Mosul Sphere looked like from underneath, with dripping tendrils made of molten metal.
“this would allegedly show what the orb looked like from underneath seemingly having these dripping tendrils made of molten metal underneath it”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:17:14.0-00:17:23.7 hearsay
111
Luis Elizondo worked at the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) at the United States Department of Defense (Pentagon).
“he did work at ATIP, All Domain Anomaly Threat Identification Program at the Pentagon.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:18:11.9-00:18:18.8 administrative first hand
112
UAP that shed angel hair leave behind a type of metamaterial.
“He also mentioned that by doing this, they leave behind some type of meta material.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:19:07.4-00:19:11.1 hearsay second hand
113
Chris Bledsoe has been in touch with many factions of intelligence agencies in the United States.
“who has obviously been in touch with many, many factions of intelligence agencies in the United States.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:19:18.0-00:19:26.2 opinion first hand
114
Chris Bledsoe's account of an orb dripping a substance onto his driveway predates public discussion of angel hair by years.
“Now, this is years before we heard about this, which is really interesting.”
Journalist Leaked UAP Program "Immaculate Constellation" - DEBRIEFED ep. 10 2024-10-18 00:19:38.1-00:19:41.1 opinion first hand
115
Eric observed a cigar-shaped UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) in spring 2013 while flying from Denver to Saskatchewan at cruising altitude.
“Spring of 2013, I was flying from Denver to Saskatchewan, and we were at cruising altitude just across the border into Canada, and I see out of the starboard side window, there's this flying cigar pointed on the ends”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:00:03.9-00:00:22.4 observation first hand
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Eric observed the cigar-shaped object was pointed on both ends, solid white in colour, with no visible means of propulsion, and moving without a wavy motion.
“there's this flying cigar pointed on the ends, solid white, no visible means of propulsion, not wavy”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:00:17.5-00:00:27.9 observation first hand
117
Eric observed the cigar-shaped object travelling in the opposite direction to his aircraft at the same altitude before it passed out of view.
“going the opposite direction as us at the same altitude. And it passed.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:00:32.1-00:00:38.6 observation first hand
118
Eric estimated the object he observed was travelling at approximately 1,100 to 1,300 kilometres per hour.
“It was probably going, I don't know, 700, 800 miles an hour.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:00:39.0-00:00:42.8 measurement first hand
119
Eric said he and his colleagues saw cigar-shaped UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) with decent regularity during his flights.
“And we saw cigar-shaped UFOs like that with decent regularity.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:00:48.4-00:00:53.6 testimony first hand
120
The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies was allegedly written in June 1947 by Albert Einstein and J. Robert Oppenheimer.
“today we're going to be reading through a document that was allegedly written in 1947 by none other than Albert Einstein and Robert Oppenheimer... This document is titled The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies... because this was written in June 1947”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:01:00.0-00:01:16.6 administrative
121
The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies document was allegedly written one month before the 1947 Roswell UFO crash.
“that would have been one month prior to the famous Roswell crash”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:01:17.2-00:01:20.8 administrative
122
Chris Ramsey believes the 1947 Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting also occurred in June 1947.
“I believe in June was also the sightings from none other than Kenneth Arnold”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:01:24.7-00:01:28.8 opinion first hand
123
The origin of The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies document is unknown; it surfaced online with nobody knowing where it came from.
“This document just kind of surfaced online. Nobody really knows the origins of the document.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:02:22.1-00:02:25.2 administrative first hand
124
Albert Einstein's January 1920 comments to the London Daily Mail were made in response to contemporary claims by radio pioneer Giulielmo Marconi that he had received mysterious signals he thought might have originated from Mars.
“this statement was made in response to contemporary speculations by radio pioneer Giulielmo Marconi. who had reported receiving mysterious signals he thought might have originated from Mars.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:05:50.5-00:06:00.2 testimony second hand
125
Records checked by Chris Ramsey do not show Shirley Wright as an official assistant of Albert Einstein, though the records do show she studied under him.
“Now, Dr. Wright claims that she was Einstein's assistant, but looking into the files, it doesn't show her as an official assistant, but it does, however, show that she did study under Albert Einstein.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:09:41.8-00:09:51.3 administrative first hand
126
Chris Ramsey suggested the astronomer described in J. Robert Oppenheimer's 1950 letter to Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the debunker and MJ-12 founding member Howard Menzel.
“that prominent astronomer that he's referring to is probably none other than the famed debunker and MJ-12 founding member Howard Menzel.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:14:19.5-00:14:27.8 opinion first hand
127
Howard Menzel was a founding member of MJ-12 and worked to debunk claims related to UFOs.
“the famed debunker and MJ-12 founding member Howard Menzel. This guy's entire job was to cover up and suppress anything related to UFOs.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:14:23.6-00:14:32.4 opinion first hand
128
William Steinman's book The Crash at Aztec briefly mentions J. Robert Oppenheimer as tangentially related to the 1947 Aztec, New Mexico UFO crash and suggests he might have been part of a crash retrieval team.
“the crash at aztec by steinman he does briefly mention oppenheimer being tangentially related to this somehow and suggests that he might have even been part of a crash retrieval team”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:15:04.1-00:15:14.6 hearsay second hand
129
The terminology "extraterrestrial biological entity (EBE)" used in The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) is the same wording used in the MJ-12 documents.
“extraterrestrial biological entities, EBEs, same wording as the MJ-12 documents, by the way.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:21:13.8-00:21:21.0 opinion first hand
130
Some people believe the MJ-12 documents to be real.
“You know, some people believe the MJ 12 documents to be real.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:21:26.2-00:21:28.7 opinion
131
Chris Ramsey believes The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) was written for the President of the United States, pending his approval.
“By the way, I believe this letter was written for the president, but pending approval.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:24:20.6-00:24:24.7 opinion first hand
132
The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) was written in June 1947.
“And this was written in June 47.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:24:25.4-00:24:26.4 administrative first hand
133
Chris Ramsey believes The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) would have been written to Harry Truman.
“So this would have been written to Harry Truman at the time.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:24:27.0-00:24:30.3 opinion first hand
134
Chris Ramsey considers the claim in The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document), attributed to J. Robert Oppenheimer and Albert Einstein, that unidentified spacecraft presence was accepted as de facto by the military, to be a bold claim, if true.
“That's a bold claim by Oppenheimer and Einstein right there, if true.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:28:58.5-00:29:02.1 opinion first hand
135
Chris Ramsey notes that the first artificial satellite, Sputnik, was launched in 1957, ten years after The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) mentions satellites.
“this is interesting that we're mentioning satellites because the first satellite, I think, was like the Sputnik in like 1957. And so the fact that they're mentioning satellites here is kind of interesting because it's supposed to be 1947.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:31:12.6-00:31:25.8 opinion first hand
136
The idea of artificial satellites existed in 1947 among forward-thinking scientists and military planners, but no artificial satellites had yet been launched and most people were not aware of the concept.
“However, the idea of satellites did exist in 1947, but only among forward-thinking scientists and military planners, but no artificial satellites had been launched yet, and most people wouldn't have been aware of them.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:31:30.1-00:31:42.1 administrative first hand
137
Chris Ramsey notes that there is an agreement between Russia and the United States under which either country must notify the other if an unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) appears on radar, to check whether it was a mistaken detection of the other's activity, so as to avoid it being mistaken for a nuclear attack.
“there is actually an agreement between russia and the united states and in that agreement they speak about unidentified aerial phenomenon being mistaken for a potential nuke so in the event that a ufo shows up on either radar of either country they must notify each other and ask each other if that was them”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:32:31.0-00:32:50.3 opinion first hand
138
One month after The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) was written, at least one crash (possibly two) occurred at Roswell, New Mexico.
“one month later there would be a crash at least one crash if not two in roswell new mexico”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:35:09.2-00:35:15.3 opinion first hand
139
Eight months after The Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies (1947 document) was written, a crash occurred at Aztec, New Mexico.
“eight months later a crash in aztec new mexico”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:35:16.8-00:35:19.7 opinion first hand
140
Chris Ramsey considers J. Robert Oppenheimer possibly more involved in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) or Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) subject than Albert Einstein was.
“I think I would find that Oppenheimer... would be possibly more involved in the UAP or UFO subject than Albert Einstein was.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:35:58.9-00:36:12.0 opinion first hand
141
Chris Ramsey considers that Albert Einstein's refusal to be part of the Manhattan Project probably signalled to the US government that Einstein could not be trusted.
“Albert Einstein's refusal to be part of the Manhattan Project probably signaled to the US government that he could not be trusted.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:36:12.3-00:36:20.5 opinion first hand
142
Chris Ramsey notes that J. Robert Oppenheimer was brought before a hearing for apparently speaking with the enemy, and speculates whether the stripping of his security clearance was a front while he was reverse-engineering craft.
“Oppenheimer was brought into court for apparently speaking with the enemy... was that a front to you know when his security clearances were stripped was that just a front while he was sort of backdoor reverse engineering these crafts and maybe the heat was taken off him?”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:36:25.7-00:36:48.2 opinion first hand
143
Chris Ramsey names Vannevar Bush and Detlef Gronk among the members of MJ-12 who may have been involved with UFOs at the time.
“including all of the members or some of the members of MJ-12, you know, like Dr. Vannevar Bush and Detlef Gronk.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:37:02.0-00:37:09.8 opinion first hand
144
Chris Ramsey states that the Roswell crash and the sighting by Kenneth Arnold, followed by the Aztec crash, prompted government and military interest in UFOs, leading to the formation of Project Grudge, which later turned into Project Blue Book.
“seeing something or hearing something as alarming as a UFO crash in Roswell and the sightings of Kenneth Arnold, and then subsequently the crash at Aztec... They formed Project Grudge, which turned into Project Blue Book.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:37:22.6-00:37:42.0 opinion first hand
145
Chris Ramsey notes that many other facets of the military, including the Air Force and Navy, were affected by the ongoing post-nuclear threat during this period.
“But there were so many other facets of the military, Air Force, Navy that were affected by the ongoing post-nuclear threat.”
Aliens and Albert Einstein - The Secret Document - DEBRIEFED ep. 33 2025-04-11 00:37:45.8-00:37:58.9 opinion first hand
146
Peter Khoury's first recollection of the 1972 Lebanon rooftop egg-shaped craft encounter was only triggered later in life, though the event itself occurred when he was around seven years old.
“your first recall of something happening actually was only triggered later in life, your memory of it, but it actually happened when you were like seven years old.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:04:55.0-00:05:04.5 testimony second hand
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Chris Ramsay considers Peter Khoury's apparent immunity to the beings' consciousness suppression or movement-inhibiting effect during his childhood sighting to be an interesting precursor to his later experiences.
“that's an interesting precursor to what ends up happening to you later in life for multiple reasons not only because of the types of entities or even the um the paralysis but the fact that you seemed to have at least at that moment some type of immunity to their consciousness suppression or whatever was inhibiting their movement seemed to not work on you that time”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:26:43.8-00:27:15.0 opinion first hand
148
Chris Ramsay noted that Peter Khoury's family moved to Australia about seven years after the 1966 Westall UFO encounter occurred.
“that would be seven years or so after Westall happened”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:29:22.8-00:29:25.8 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay suggested that some people affected by these kinds of experiences get sleepy.
“Some of them get sleepy.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:41:52.5-00:41:53.0 opinion first hand
150
Dan Burisch worked at S4 facility around 1996 and came forward publicly in the 2000s.
“I think in the 90s, '96 was it maybe, or he worked at S4 in '96 and came out in 2000s.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:59:04.4-00:59:12.2 hearsay second hand
151
Dan Burisch claimed to have worked with a being known as J-Rod, an alleged extraterrestrial being, at the S4 facility.
“This guy claimed to have worked with a being known as J-Rod, they called him.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:59:16.9-00:59:21.4 hearsay second hand
152
Dan Burisch was a microbiologist or geneticist responsible for taking skin samples from J-Rod, the alleged extraterrestrial being he worked with, on a daily basis.
“he was in charge of basically taking skin samples from this being day in, day out”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:59:32.3-00:59:36.6 hearsay second hand
153
Dan Burisch established a telepathic rapport with J-Rod, the alleged extraterrestrial being he worked with.
“And he'd established like a telepathic sort of rapport with it.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:59:37.3-00:59:41.1 hearsay second hand
154
Dan Burisch described a protocol not to look into the eyes of the alien being, because looking into its eyes causes a person to fall into them.
“they had protocol not to look into their eyes because the second you look into the eyes you fall into them”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 00:59:52.0-00:59:58.1 hearsay second hand
155
Bob Lazar described chairs on the craft he worked on as protruding from the floor without seams, with everything appearing molded and having no sharp edges.
“I'm reminded obviously of Bob Lazar's description of the craft that he worked on were those, what seemed like chairs also protruded from the floor without seams. Nothing had seams. There was no seams anywhere. And Bob was talking about this too, this idea that everything looked molded.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:20:02.3-01:20:17.5 hearsay second hand
156
Whitley Strieber described the sound made by the alien beings he encountered as a fast, murmuring, chirping type sound.
“he, he describes it as like a fast, like murmuring, chirping type, uh, sound.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:20:45.1-01:20:49.2 hearsay second hand
157
An alleged whistleblower who worked on crash retrieval bodies, described in a Reddit document referenced in one of Whitley Strieber's recent books, was a biologist and geneticist who examined the blood, organs, eyes, fingers, and other anatomical details of the beings.
“this came up, uh, in one of Whitley's most recent books, which was based heavily on a Reddit document that came to light recently... It was this alleged whistleblower who worked on some of the bodies, uh, from the crash retrieval stuff... a biological guy, an anatomy guy, and he had to perform these, a geneticist, I think. And he would, you know, go through the blood and this and that, but also the organs and the eyes and the fingers and everything.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:20:56.8-01:21:30.2 hearsay third hand
158
The alleged crash retrieval whistleblower described in the Reddit document referenced by Whitley Strieber described the lung sacs of the alien beings as resembling those of birds, with no vocal cords.
“when it came to the lung sacs, there was uh they were like birds... he described them like birds lung sacks... in the way that um they they had no vocal cords and so kind of like a bird”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:21:42.2-01:21:56.2 hearsay third hand
159
The alleged crash retrieval whistleblower described in the Reddit document referenced by Whitley Strieber described the alien beings as having brains approximately 20 percent bigger than human brains, requiring more oxygen.
“also it would provide more oxygen because they're they had 20 bigger brains than than we did and so they're they needed to fuel this brain you know with more”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:21:58.8-01:22:07.4 hearsay third hand
160
Whitley Strieber said that the alien beings he encountered would have made high-pitched noises, possibly at frequencies humans cannot hear.
“That's Whitley, but he says they would have made high-pitched noises... High or low-pitched even as well that we would not be able to hear.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:22:16.0-01:22:23.8 hearsay second hand
161
John Ramirez, who worked at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for 25 years as a Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) specialist, described alien beings matching the same description given by Whitley Strieber.
“I had a guy sit right there, John Ramirez... former, you know, 25 years, the CIA, SIGINT guy. He describes the same thing.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:26:36.8-01:26:41.9 testimony second hand
162
The Invisible College dates back to the mid-1600s and, in its modern form, is a group of scientists, physicists, and other researchers across the hard and soft sciences who study UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) phenomena while keeping their involvement private to protect their credibility, livelihoods, and jobs.
“there's this dates back to like the mid 1600s but essentially the invisible college and the modern version of the invisible college um is a conglomerate of really intelligent and uh industry leaders in terms of like scientists physicists uh everything from microbiology to... a bunch of people who get together who know about the taboo, and don't want to risk their credibility, their livelihood, their jobs”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:36:43.4-01:37:20.8 opinion first hand
163
The book Communion was a New York Times bestseller for six months.
“That was partially the reason for this book being the New York Times bestseller for six months was millions of people resonated with something in that book”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:44:25.3-01:44:38.3 opinion first hand
164
Whitley Strieber felt compelled to make a particular commissioned artwork the cover of the book Communion so that people could recognise the depicted being.
“Whitley's story about the, um, having that commissioned by the artist, uh, is a big story as well... he was, he felt compelled to make that the cover. Like he had to make that the cover... so people could recognize it.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:44:53.7-01:45:07.8 hearsay second hand
165
Chris Ramsay considers his own primary motivation for his channel to be personal fascination with the UFO/alien phenomenon and a desire to tell stories around it, with helping people find solace in shared stories being a secondary effect rather than the main purpose.
“For me, the number one purpose, my audience knows this, it's I'm fascinated by this stuff. And it's a bit of a selfish endeavor to not only figure this out, but to be able to tell a story around it... the symptom, the offset, the offshoot of that is... people finding solace in the stories”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:52:28.6-01:52:50.0 opinion first hand
166
One of the beings encountered during the 1994 Ariel School UFO sighting had long hair.
“Those beings as well. One of them had long hair.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:04:07.9-02:04:10.1 testimony first hand
167
Chris Ramsay described the long-haired being encountered during the 1994 Ariel School UFO sighting as grey rather than Nordic in appearance.
“No, as in like gray. Gray. With like long hair.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:04:13.8-02:04:16.4 testimony first hand
168
Chris Ramsay considers Peter Khoury's case documented in Hair of the Alien to be the most important UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) case.
“not only for me, I mean, is literally, I think the most important case. I think this is the most important case.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:06:36.4-02:06:45.7 opinion first hand
169
Chris Ramsay considers Peter Khoury's case, as documented in the book Hair of the Alien, to involve the strongest evidence pointing toward hybridisation and non-human intelligence interacting with humans.
“I can't think of any other case that involves proof, essentially, or at least very strong evidence pointing in the direction of hybridization and some type of non-human intelligence interacting with us.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:06:49.1-02:07:04.3 opinion first hand
170
Chris Ramsay considers that most people, when confronted with anomalous information such as the UFO phenomenon, only exercise the first two of three choices: ignoring it or fitting it into the current model, rather than expanding their worldview.
“and those first two unfortunately is all we do but not only with the you know, alien topic or UFO phenomenon”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:08:52.8-02:08:59.5 opinion first hand
171
Parapsychologists at institutions such as the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) Lab and the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) conducted consciousness research studies.
“with all the studies done by parapsychologists at, you know, places like Princeton Parapsychology Lab, SRI, all of this stuff goes through the same thing.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:09:02.7-02:09:10.6 testimony
172
Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity was not accepted or used by people until after his death, when tests were later carried out.
“His general theory of relativity wasn't considered, wasn't actually... I mean, people didn't use it. People didn't refer to it until he was dead, until they did the tests afterwards.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 02:09:18.7-02:09:31.2 opinion first hand
173
Ross Coulthart travelled from Australia to appear on DEBRIEFED episode 76 with Chris Ramsay.
“thank you for making the trek, obviously, you know, all the way from Australia”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:04:36.0-00:04:38.8 administrative first hand
174
Ross Coulthart had an engagement in Los Angeles following his appearance on DEBRIEFED episode 76.
“I know you've got an engagement coming up in LAX, or sorry, in Los Angeles”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:04:39.3-00:04:43.1 administrative first hand
175
Chris Ramsay operates the Area 52 podcast studio as a one-person crew.
“I am a one-man crew here”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:05:34.9-00:05:36.6 testimony first hand
176
Chris Ramsay worked as a magician and built a channel about sleight-of-hand and misdirection mysteries over a decade before turning to the Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) subject.
“I relate to that a lot as a magician... I spent a decade sort of nurturing and building to all of a sudden, you know, turn my gaze to this stuff”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:08:46.0-00:08:55.8 testimony first hand
177
The 1978 Kaikoura lights incident in New Zealand was recorded on film, witnessed by pilots and involved military corroboration.
“that was amazing because we have footage of this we have pilots we have military we have all this corroborating evidence”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:10:07.4-00:10:12.7 testimony first hand
178
Chris Ramsay considers the object in the sunset photograph associated with the Frederick Valentich disappearance to be a fly buzzing in front of the camera.
“I see a fly. I see a fly buzzing in front of the camera and you kind of see its wings.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:13:27.3-00:13:32.0 opinion first hand
179
The planet Venus was not above the horizon during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident, ruling it out as an explanation.
“Chris Ramsay: Yeah, or Venus. Ross Coulthart: Well, Venus didn't work at all. Chris Ramsay: No, because it wasn't up during that time. Ross Coulthart: Exactly.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:19:21.0-00:19:25.8 testimony first hand
180
Chris Ramsay observed in the Kaikoura Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) film footage a band of darker material around the middle of the disc-shaped object rather than a plain round shape.
“you see like a band of darker or it looks like an unfocused disk. It's clearly not just round. There's like a band around the middle”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:20:02.3-00:20:12.5 observation first hand
181
The 1966 Westall UFO incident in Melbourne is very similar to the 1994 Ariel School UFO encounter at Ruwa, Zimbabwe.
“Yeah, this is not unlike, you know, the Zimbabwe incident as well at the Ariel School. / It's very similar.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:13.9-00:26:19.9 opinion first hand
182
Andrew Greenwood was not an alcoholic.
“Chris Ramsay: Was he an alcoholic? Did he drink? Ross Coulthart: No. Not at all? No. Well, he probably had a glass of wine at Christmas time. ... No, he wasn't an alcoholic.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:35.7-00:27:41.8 testimony first hand
183
Chris Ramsay's impression from following news coverage is that very few people in the United States Congress know much about UFOs.
“like with Congress and everything, I can't help but think that they don't know very much. Like it's the gestalt that I get.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:31:33.3-00:31:41.0 opinion first hand
184
Ross Coulthart is confident that Senator John McCain was aware of the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme, based on information from someone who knew McCain very well.
“I'm pretty sure Senator John McCain was very much aware of the legacy retrieval reverse engineering. ... Chris Ramsay: Is that second-hand or first-hand information? Ross Coulthart: I get that from somebody who knew him. ... Very well.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:36:37.6-00:36:48.0 hearsay second hand
185
The Pentagon has failed every financial audit it has undergone.
“Well, I mean, Pentagon has failed every audit in forever.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:42:02.9-00:42:06.1 testimony first hand
186
Chris Ramsay considers that trillions of dollars were missing from United States government accounts prior to the September 11 2001 attacks.
“You know, and there's trillions of dollars missing prior to the 9-11 incident.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:42:07.5-00:42:10.9 opinion first hand
187
Gary McKinnon gained access to the back end of NASA systems and saw ship names that did not correspond to actual known ships, personnel he could not verify, and a photograph of a craft.
“famously Gary Mckinnon had also spoken about when he when he had gotten into the back end of nasa and saw these you know these ship names that weren't actual ship names and people he couldn't verify and then seeing you know this craft on a photo”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:03.8-00:46:16.8 hearsay second hand
188
Roscoe Hillenkoetter was part of Majestic 12.
“And part of Majestic 12. / Part of Majestic 12”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:25.4-00:46:27.8 administrative
189
Chris Ramsay considers Gary McKinnon's account, along with that of Haim Eshed, one of the few corroborating anecdotal pieces of evidence for the existence of a secret space program.
“It's one of the few other corroborating sort of anecdotal pieces of evidence that we have confirming this secret space program other than perhaps Haim Eshed, who also mentions this as well.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:49.8-00:47:02.6 opinion first hand
190
Chris Ramsay is fairly certain the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon is not a singular thing but is multifaceted, dynamic, changing, and aware of humans.
“i'm pretty certain that the phenomenon isn't a singular uh thing that we're dealing with it is probably multifaceted it is probably dynamic and changing and it is aware we're aware of it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:56:29.1-00:56:41.1 opinion first hand
191
Chris Ramsay does not think the phenomenon is simply explained by the broad term non-human intelligence, and expects public questions about origin to become murky because the intelligences may come from multiple places and from a different time.
“I don't think that it's simply explained away by even words like non-human intelligence like this is a broad term. ... they're from a different time”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:56:45.2-00:56:56.4 opinion first hand
192
Chris Ramsay considers it tragic that the holders of the secret about non-human intelligence are armed military personnel rather than those framing it as a philosophical question about humanity.
“it is unfortunate that the bearers of this paradigm shifting secret are people with guns. It's the most tragic thing that exists”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:59:14.9-00:59:28.5 opinion first hand
193
Chris Ramsay considers humanity was closer to collective disclosure in the 1950s, when people were talking about space brothers and putting nuclear weapons away, than it is now.
“The conversation skipped a beat like we were closer, I think, to collective disclosure in the 50s. than we are now when people were talking about space brothers and putting the nukes away”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:59:58.8-01:00:13.0 opinion first hand
194
Chris Ramsay considers the repeated arrival of non-human craft at psionic lures to resemble a white blood cell or autoimmune system response rather than an intelligence repeatedly falling for the same bait.
“that seems to me like a white blood cell response, like some type of autoimmune system response, because if they are that intelligent, they're not fish, they're not gonna keep falling for the same trap and bait.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:01:01.1-01:01:13.0 opinion first hand
195
Chris Ramsay considers synthetic sentience to be the probable reality of the beings associated with non-human intelligence.
“Yeah, synthetic sentience is probably the reality of the matter.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:04:27.5-01:04:31.9 opinion first hand
196
Chris Ramsay considers that a vast spectrum of different beings has interacted with humans, spanning cases from Antonio Vilas-Boas through George Adamski and Daniel Fry to other human-looking contacts.
“vast sort of spectrum of different beings interacting with us all the way from, you know, Antônio Vilas-Boas, you know, first encounter, The Hills, and then going on from there from, you know, Adamski to know Dan Fry and all these other human looking ones”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:05:11.4-01:05:31.3 opinion first hand
197
Chris Ramsay raised the possibility that any agreement between humans and non-human intelligence was made with the wrong non-human parties, and Ross Coulthart said he had heard the same story but does not know whether it is true.
“Chris Ramsay: And potentially with the wrong ones. Ross Coulthart: And potentially with the wrong ones. You've heard the same story. ... And I don't know if that's true”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:08:13.8-01:08:21.0 hearsay second hand
198
Chris Ramsay receives accounts from members of the public describing encounters with various alien types, including short and tall beings and human-looking ones.
“I do receive my fair share of stories and, you know, reports of, oh, I met this type of, you know, alien, it had these type of arms, or this type of head, or it looked like us”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:09:27.9-01:09:39.6 testimony first hand
199
Members of the United States Congress were present when Eric Davis made his account of being briefed about mantis beings, reptilian beings and Nordic aliens.
“It was, uh, there were, there were members of Congress present.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:10:48.8-01:10:51.4 testimony first hand
200
Chris Ramsay has heard figures of up to about 24 people at the very top level of the secret Unidentified Aerial Phenomena programme.
“I've heard numbers anywhere up to like 24 or like this is, you know, at the very tip.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:22:04.7-01:22:09.3 hearsay second hand
201
The Manhattan Project involved 130,000 people.
“if we go back to Manhattan Project, there was 130,000 people involved.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:22:22.5-01:22:26.8 measurement
202
Chris Ramsay considers that people inside the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secrecy programmes are not operating under government oversight, so an offer of immunity would leave them exposed to being killed rather than protected.
“the difference here is that these people aren't operating under government oversight ... we can offer them this immunity, but they're going to get a bullet to the back of the head.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:26:21.7-01:26:31.6 opinion first hand
203
Chris Ramsay considers that the release of the documentary film The Age of Disclosure has increased public interest in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena subject.
“in light of recent, you know, age of disclosure coming out, there's been a little bit more public interest in this stuff”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:28:00.2-01:28:05.7 opinion first hand
204
Chris Ramsay considers that government thuggery of the kind alleged around the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secret is not new and has always existed.
“the problem is that that's kind of always existed ... This thuggery from the government isn't new.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:31:46.9-01:31:50.3 opinion first hand
205
John F. Kennedy wanted nuclear weapons abolished, which was a source of conflict with nuclear-enthusiastic generals.
“He also wanted nukes to be gone. ... you have these, you know, generals who are like nuke happy”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:33:24.1-01:33:26.5 opinion first hand
206
Lara Trump, the daughter-in-law of Donald Trump, said on the record recently that Donald Trump has something up his sleeve regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena disclosure.
“His daughter went on the record recently. ... Daughter-in-law. Sorry, my bad. Lara. Yeah, went on the record recently saying, no, you know, he's got something up his sleeve type deal.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:36:01.9-01:36:11.3 hearsay second hand
207
Chris Ramsay considers that public distrust of United States agencies is growing rather than dissipating.
“distrust is growing. It's not dissipating.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:36:47.9-01:36:50.8 opinion first hand
208
Chris Ramsay considers the blue humanoid beings reported to Ross Coulthart similar to the physical beings described by Jason Sands.
“Not unlike what Jason Sands even describes being physical.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:42:45.8-01:42:49.0 opinion first hand
209
Chris Ramsay considers that the majority of reported interactions with non-human beings are non-physical, occurring in an in-between realm that is not quite a dream and that can nevertheless leave physical markings on the experiencer, a problem John Mack also wrestled with.
“that's something John Mack wrestled with as well, was the majority of these interactions with these beings seems to be non-physical. And that doesn't necessarily mean a dream. There is some type of in-between non-physical realm that isn't quite a dream and that can even leave you with physical markings.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:43:40.1-01:44:03.4 opinion first hand
210
Jake Barber described being overwhelmed by a sense of love during his encounter with an eight-sided craft.
“I immediately think back to Jake Barber's incident with this eight-gon craft and he gets overwhelmed with this sense of love.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:49:19.5-01:49:26.3 hearsay second hand
211
Dan Burisch said that non-human beings, when looked at in the eyes, flood a person with their own endorphins and produce a sense of calm, peace and near-euphoria, creating a false sense of familiarity, and that it was rogue entities who took people at night who did this.
“there are tales from people like Dan Burisch... he would also say that these beings would when looking into their eyes flood you with your own endorphins and give you a sense of calm and peace and almost euphoria... he said that it was the rogue entities the ones that took you at night that did that to you”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:49:34.4-01:49:58.7 hearsay second hand
212
Chris Ramsay considers it possible that the sense of benevolence people feel around non-human beings is a psychological operation.
“Chris Ramsay: It might be a psyop. Ross Coulthart: It could be that they're just manipulating us. Chris Ramsay: I've had that thought a lot.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:50:20.3-01:50:26.1 opinion first hand
213
Chris Ramsay accepts that humanity is not the apex intelligence, and considers that many people in positions of power struggle with that idea, which is likely why they want the capability to defeat or defend against non-human intelligences.
“I'm very resigned to the idea that I'm not the apex here... And I think a lot of people in power struggle with that. And that's probably the reason for wanting to, you know, defense up”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:51:10.0-01:51:21.8 opinion first hand
214
Chris Ramsay holds that if non-human intelligences wished to remove humanity, humanity would not be here and would not be permitted to be here.
“when it's crystal clear that if they wanted to we wouldn't be here we wouldn't be allowed to be here”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:51:29.7-01:51:35.1 opinion first hand
215
Chris Ramsay characterises Patrick Jackson's account as describing an artificial intelligence system defending the planet Earth.
“Yeah, there's an AI system defending this planet.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:51:52.4-01:51:54.2 hearsay second hand
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Chris Ramsay describes blood loss as a feature of the 1977 Colares Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) attacks in Brazil.
“Blood loss.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:52:07.1-01:52:07.4 testimony
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Chris Ramsay describes his own work in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) space as mostly entertainment rather than rigorous journalism, and considers Ross Coulthart to have a lifetime of journalistic credibility to uphold that requires more care.
“it's easy for me to say as someone who for the most part provides entertainment in this space and doesn't necessarily provide like a rigorous journalistic approach to this as much as you do. And you have this credibility to uphold that you've created, you know, throughout your entire life.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:54:18.7-01:54:33.6 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay holds that mentally stable witnesses should be given a safe and comfortable space to tell their story without being immediately judged on credibility, so that they do not leave anything out.
“I think that there is a value and an importance to let people and people who are obviously mentally stable to tell their story without this idea of, is it credible? Is it not credible? and just give them a safe, comfortable space to tell that story so that they don't leave anything out.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:54:44.6-01:55:06.9 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay holds that witnesses commonly withhold the most extreme parts of their Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) accounts for fear of ridicule, giving only an abbreviated version until questioned further.
“a lot of times what happens with witnesses, as I'm sure you know, they'll tell you a story, but they're withholding the craziest part of the story... for fear of being ridiculed. And so they'll tell you the cliff notes version”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:55:07.5-01:55:26.3 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers the brothel allegation against Bob Lazar irrelevant to his credibility, and notes that a lot of wild people were being hired at the time.
“That's what I'm saying too. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. It has nothing to do... I would also say that... to you know they were hiring a lot of wild people back then”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:01:29.9-02:01:41.5 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay has been conducting interviews for only a few years and describes himself as a student of interviewing.
“i'm a student of you know interviewing people i've been you know i've been only only been doing this for a few years”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:06:23.3-02:06:29.0 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay has spoken with Chris Bledsoe and spent time with Chris Bledsoe's family and son.
“we bring up Chris Bledsoe for instance, you know, I've spoken to Chris and, um, I've spent time with him and his family and his son”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:10:07.6-02:10:14.7 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay personally saw and documented a row of lights appear over the ocean while he was with Ryan Graves.
“I've actually seen something out there. Um, and I documented it when I was with Ryan, we had these row of lights appear right over the ocean.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:10:15.2-02:10:22.3 observation first hand
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The row of lights over the ocean witnessed by Chris Ramsay was also seen by other people running down the beach, who called the United States Coast Guard.
“And it was witnessed by other people running down the beach. They called the Coast Guard because they're like, there's something going on out there.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:10:25.4-02:10:31.4 observation first hand
225
Many followers of Chris Bledsoe are linked to religion and faith, which makes commenting on prosaic explanations for his material difficult.
“the people who do follow Chris Bledsoe can are obviously a lot of them are also linked to religion and faith”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:10:39.6-02:10:48.2 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers belief a detriment to data collection, acting as a filter and lens that distorts and biases information.
“belief is a detriment to data collection. It is a filter, it is a lens through which things get distorted and biased.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:12:06.8-02:12:15.1 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers Facebook rampant with artificial intelligence generated fake Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) videos, particularly affecting older age demographics.
“Depends on, uh, depends on the age demographic. I will say if you're on Facebook, it's rampant”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:13:09.4-02:13:14.8 opinion first hand
228
The object in the Esalen blue hexagonal orb photographs is clearly hexagonal, with countable sides.
“it's clearly a hexagon when you look at the photo as well, because this isn't like you can count the sides.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:33.9-02:29:39.0 observation first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers the object in the Esalen blue hexagonal orb photographs to have something around it, similar to the cube-in-a-sphere description reported by Ryan Graves.
“And there seems to be something around it also. It seems to be like it's, yeah, like you hear about this cube in a sphere type, you know, description from, you know, ... Ryan Graves. It's similar.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:45.4-02:29:56.7 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers the scene in Flight of the Navigator of a child interacting with oscilloscopes at a NASA facility to resemble Dan Sherman's account and to be wildly predictive.
“this sounds like the Dan Sherman stuff it's wildly uh predictive”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:35:38.1-02:35:42.5 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers it openly known that the CIA was involved during and after the Second World War in easing public anxiety about the war and the Cold War by promoting romance films such as Casablanca.
“we all know that the CIA was involved during and post-war to sort of attenuate a lot of these stressful feelings that people had at home in regards to the war, the Cold War... Well, give them romance, give them Casablanca”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:36:20.4-02:36:33.2 opinion first hand
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The reported non-human species, including grey aliens, mantis beings and reptilian beings, all seem to be bipedal with forward-facing eyes and multiple digits on their fingers.
“some of which look like us, some of which are these greys or the mantids or the reptilians or what have you, they all seem to be bipedal, forward-facing eyes, multiple digits on their fingers”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:38:01.8-02:38:16.4 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay is not convinced by the theory, associated with Michael Masters, that the reported non-human beings are time travellers, because he is not certain that is how time works.
“I wouldn't go so far as the time travel stuff. I'm not 100% convinced that's how time works.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:38:27.8-02:38:32.2 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that the ancestors of reptilian beings, mantis beings and humanoids can all be found on Earth, suggesting a cosmic zoo in which shared DNA has been shifted between planets.
“But I do subscribe to the idea that reptilians, mantids, these humanoids, you can find all these things on Earth. ... this is some cosmic zoo that we're all sharing DNA on these other planets, shifting them around.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:38:33.0-02:38:47.5 opinion first hand
235
There is erosion at the base of the Great Sphinx of Giza which Chris Ramsay has seen for himself.
“And then there's like this erosion at the base of the Sphinx that, uh, yeah, I saw it too. That's incredible.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:39:38.6-02:39:42.7 observation first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that an intelligent species capable of travelling the universe at will would not stop at a single planet, and that believing humanity is unique is an ego issue.
“bouncing around the universe at will you know you wouldn't stop at just one planet either it it makes no sense to me that seems to be like an ego issue with a lot of people that think that we're special and although we might be i don't think that we're necessarily unique”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:42:27.7-02:42:43.1 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that a very intelligent species with the capability to preserve consciousness would have seeded a trillion planets as it has done on Earth, and would run many experiments rather than merely take samples and leave.
“i think if you were a very intelligent species you would have done the same thing you've done here to a trillion planets if you had the capability to preserve that flame of consciousness and ... we're not sending a probe there to just take soil samples and leave we're doing a thousand tests”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:42:44.5-02:43:05.4 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay fears a weapon capable of tearing a hole in the fabric of everything more than he fears nuclear war.
“And that's what I fear more than nuclear war. I feel like there's something that might be able to tear a hole in the fabric of everything.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:49:32.9-02:49:39.9 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay holds that war has been the greatest driver of technological advance, and assumes present-day weapons make nuclear weapons look like toys.
“the one thing that advanced technology the most was war ... whatever we have now, if we're rocking iPhones in our pockets, makes the nukes look like toys.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 lines 117-122 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that one can learn about extraterrestrial culture, origin and technology only by speaking to an experiencer, not from whistleblowers, sky observations or forward-looking infrared (FLIR) footage.
“we can learn a fair amount of things from whistleblowers. or from observations in the sky or FLIR footage, but you can't learn about their culture. You can't learn about their origin. You can't learn truly about their technology, unless you speak to an experiencer”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 00:04:00.1-00:04:43.9 opinion
241
Chris Ramsay describes a recurring feature of screen memories as their absurdity and abstractness: witnesses sense the misplaced thing they are seeing is not supposed to be there, suggesting the beings projecting the screen memory through technology or telepathic ability do not fully understand what is normal.
“what stays with people when they hear about these things is the absurdity. of what they're seeing... there's an abstractness to what i'm seeing and it's misplaced it's not supposed to be here... whatever technology or telepathic ability they're using to potentially project a screen memory, they don't fully understand what's normal”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 00:14:34.5-00:15:21.8 opinion
242
Chris Bledsoe wrote in his book that he was able to heal his dog Nellie, who was spurting blood across the house, by putting his hands on her, and also healed a Make-A-Wish child with intestinal problems and little time to live, whose problems went away after he laid his hands on the child.
“he writes in his book that he was able to, and this was corroborated actually by Grant Cameron, who was here on this podcast, that he was able to heal his dog, Nellie from, you know, when she was like spurting blood across the house and just putting his hands on the dog. And then another instance of him healing a child that was pretty much, um, a make a wish kid. and very little time to live, had like intestinal problems.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 00:26:41.3-00:27:15.4 hearsay
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Chris Ramsay, a magician who has used hypnosis for entertainment, considers that knowing how hypnosis works gives a person an edge in resisting being hypnotised, analogous to seeing past a screen memory.
“as a magician myself, I've been able to use hypnosis for entertainment purposes... as a magician, I am ironically disillusioned by this because I know how it works... someone who's readily read into how to hypnotize people whether clinically or whether you know for entertainment does have an edge on not being hypnotized”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 00:30:00.3-00:31:16.2 opinion
244
Chris Ramsay says that although coverage of the abduction phenomenon seems to have dissipated, many abductees he speaks to disagree and maintain it is still happening today.
“it seems to have dissipated in some way compared to... But I speak to a lot of people who are abductees and they, they tend to disagree. They're like, no, this is ongoing. This is still happening today.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 00:40:31.2-00:40:52.2 opinion
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The abduction procedures involve the most personal matters relating to reproduction and some type of insemination, details Erik Nanstiel covers in his book Angst in the Shadows and which Whitley Strieber has also provided in his book.
“it has to do with reproduction. It has to do with some type of, you know, insemination or whatnot. Like there is some very private details... you go over in this book and that, you know, Whitley has provided as well in his book.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 00:41:43.1-00:42:06.6 opinion
246
Bill Herman was told by the beings that they were from Zeta Reticulum, before Bob Lazar discussed Zeta Reticuli.
“before bob there was a bill herman as well who was told by the beings that they were from zeta reticulum as well”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:04:00.0-01:04:11.4 hearsay
247
Amore Rivera, a man in Puerto Rico in the 1980s, had an abduction experience along with about 14 other people, being taken to a planet pronounced Ka (K-A-A).
“this guy named Amore Rivera... this guy in the eighties in Puerto Rico who has this abduction experience with, along with like 14 other people being taken to a planet. And the planet that they're taken to is pronounced Ka, K-A-A, essentially.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:05:05.8-01:05:31.0 hearsay
248
According to the anonymous molecular biologist's Reddit account, the greys lack teeth, have small openings as mouths, and have a separate trachea and esophagus.
“the fact that they don't have teeth, that they have these small openings as mouths, they have a separate trachea and esophagus, which, by the way, genius.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:20:43.5-01:21:11.6 hearsay
249
According to the anonymous molecular biologist's Reddit account, the greys mainly consume a liquid diet high in copper, because copper was found in high content in their blood.
“He said that they mainly would have to, you know, consume a liquid diet high in copper... Because copper was found to be, you know, in really high content in the blood.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:21:13.7-01:21:25.4 hearsay
250
David Jacobs, through his studies of hypnotic regression, was a firm believer that there were multiple transitional phases, about five, between the human and the human-looking hybrid, the hubrid, which looks identical to a human, with earlier stages being egg-headed, genderless and crude before becoming more human-like.
“if you look at David Jacobs' work, which you cite in your book, David was a firm believer through his studies of hypnotic regression that there was a transitional movement there was multiple, I think five transitional phases between the human and the hubrid, which is the human hybrid that looks identical.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:39:07.9-01:39:47.4 hearsay second hand
251
Many experiencers and abductees report being taken aboard craft and told by the entities that they are part of a chosen group, that their time will come soon, and that they are doing good work and will be rewarded, alongside apocalyptic foreshadowing.
“according to many experiencers and abductees, it seems to be the case as well. Like, there are a lot of people who go on board these craft ... talking to these entities who tell them things like, You are part of a chosen group. Your time will come soon. You're doing good work and you'll be rewarded when this all happens.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:41:22.9-01:41:44.7 hearsay second hand
252
One of the messages Erik Nanstiel received indicated there are cavernous systems on Earth filled with life where the entities live.
“according to one of the messages you've received, that there are these cave systems, that there are these cavernous systems on Earth filled with life, like that's where they live.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:48:02.8-01:48:26.5 hearsay
253
The Greys reported by Betty and Barney Hill differed from those Erik Nanstiel describes, having different slit-like eyes.
“Even among the grays, like even if you look at Eddie and Barney Hill, who you mentioned earlier, it's different. They have different slit-like eyes and there's different...”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:02:43.3-02:02:52.9 opinion
254
The symptoms of sleep paralysis (occurring at night, being awake, paralysed, and feeling real) resemble alien abduction experiences, making it a fair assumption for some cases.
“there are similarities to draw lines between sleep paralysis, especially with it's at night, you're up, you're paralyzed, it feels real. Like all of these are symptoms of sleep paralysis”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:27:58.4-02:28:12.5 opinion
255
Chris Ramsay has had out-of-body experiences that were neither awake experiences nor lucid dreams, possibly a new undefined type of dream.
“i've had out-of-body experiences and i can tell you that those were not awake experiences but they weren't lucid dreams either and so you know i don't know if i'm describing a new type of dream that we haven't really defined yet”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:28:16.8-02:28:35.5 testimony first hand
256
Chris Ramsay experienced involuntary out-of-body experiences that he found terrifying but immediately wanted to repeat.
“it happened to me a few times involuntarily. And it was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. But instantly after it happened, I was like, I got to do that again.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:30:33.3-02:30:46.6 testimony first hand
257
Chris Ramsay pursued out-of-body experiences through the Gateway Process, meditating one hour a day at about 04:30 for four months straight, leaving his body many times.
“I pursued it through the gateway process and ended up, you know, meditating four months straight, one hour a day at like 430 in the morning and ended up leaving my body a whole bunch of times after that.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:31:21.3-02:31:32.3 testimony first hand
258
Chris Ramsay argues that for every person who has experiences and sells a book, there are a thousand others not selling a book telling the same story, so the profit-motive argument is invalid.
“for every person who's had experiences who's selling a book there are a thousand other people who are not selling a book who are telling the exact same story and so you know that argument for me isn't valid at all”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:40:13.6-02:40:57.2 opinion
259
Michael Herrera is a military whistleblower who, as part of an elite SEAL team on a humanitarian flood mission in Indonesia, encountered an octagonal black disc hovering over trees.
“Michael Herrera is a military whistleblower who had an encounter, I believe, in Indonesia, where he was part of like some elite sort of SEAL team... they spot this octagonal black disc hovering over the trees”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:42:06.8-02:42:45.5 hearsay second hand
260
During Michael Herrera's Indonesia encounter, his team was met by unbadged military personnel pointing guns who were loading what seemed like people, including children, into reverse-engineered craft for unknown use.
“they are met with just guns pointed at their heads immediately, unbadged military personnel who were loading up what seemed like people... these uh reverse engineered craft were used to take people um children and all types of people for whatever use”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:42:45.5-02:43:10.7 hearsay second hand
261
The unbadged personnel in Michael Herrera's encounter outmanned and outgunned his team with modern gear, vehicles, and clothing bearing no flags, badges, or names, confiscated their phones, and told them to stay silent.
“They outmanned, outgunned, the tech, the gear, the clothing, the vehicles were all modern and no flags, no badges, no names... Their phones were taken... they were basically told to shut the hell up about it.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:43:12.0-02:43:48.1 hearsay second hand
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Other witnesses Michael Herrera tried to contact refused to come forward, asking never to be contacted again.
“he tried to reach out to some of the people that came forward that witnessed that as well. They would not come forward and they were like, please do not contact me ever again.”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 02:43:36.4-02:43:45.3 hearsay second hand
263
The 'Chuck Payne' who is a senator and comes up in an online search of the name is a different person from the Chuck Payne who Bob Lazar said worked as a security guard at USA, Nevada, S4.
“the Chuck Payne that you are going to find should you Google this name is not the Chuck Payne as mentioned in the interview with Bob that worked at S4. it is a senator”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:09:06.6-00:09:16.0 administrative first hand
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A pilot who had been a co-pilot for EG&G, flying Janet Airlines flights into USA, Nevada, Groom Lake sometime between approximately 1987 and 1991, reached out to Chris Ramsay.
“He was a co-pilot for EG&G flying the Janet flights into Groom Lake between 87 and 91, something like that.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:11:20.5-00:11:27.0 hearsay third hand
265
A Janet Airlines co-pilot told Chris Ramsay that he had met Dennis Mariani over a dozen times and had a regular rapport with him, and he was also informed of Dennis Mariani's passing.
“I had reached out to a Janet Airlines co-pilot that knew Dennis and that... was also informed of his passing and said that, you know, he'd met Dennis over a dozen times and had exchanged with him just sort of, you know, regular rapport.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:11:42.5-00:11:58.5 hearsay second hand
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Dennis Mariani would stare at Bob Lazar for 20 minutes in a menacing way during the bus ride to USA, Nevada, S4.
“the same guy who'd stare at you for 20 minutes in that ride to S4 menacingly”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:19:58.3-00:20:02.9 testimony first hand
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Dennis Mariani invited Bob Lazar to come see a test flight outside at USA, Nevada, S4.
“But he's also the guy that was like, hey, come see this launch outside. Come see this test flight, right?”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:20:30.0-00:20:36.4 testimony first hand
268
David Grush gave up his pension and put his own credibility on the line by publicly stating that non-human biologics and craft had been recovered and were being studied.
“gave up his pension and put his own credibility on the line by coming out and saying, hey, we've recovered non-human biologics and we have Kraft and we're working on them”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:24:27.4-00:24:36.6 testimony second hand
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No one else from the program David Grush described has come forward publicly.
“You know, nobody from the program came out.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:24:50.2-00:24:53.1 testimony first hand
270
Chris Ramsay researched Chuck Payne and found that a governor shares the same name, but confirmed this governor is not the same Chuck Payne.
“I tried to research it myself. Unfortunately, there is a governor, I believe, by the same name... And it's not him. Like, we've gotten confirmation it's not him.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:26:16.7-00:26:22.8 testimony first hand
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During his time working on the program, Bob Lazar and colleagues were given an opaque yellow fluid that tasted like pine sap as part of testing.
“they had you drink this weird, opaque yellow fluid that tastes like pine saw”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:27:26.2-00:27:30.6 testimony first hand
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Bob Lazar was allowed to review three briefings during his document readings at USA, Nevada, S4: Galileo, Sidekick, and Looking Glass.
“out of the three briefings that you were allowed to peruse during your document readings, you had Galileo... You had Sidekick... And then you had looking glass”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:31:59.2-00:32:12.8 testimony second hand
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The Galileo briefing concerned propulsion using gravity.
“you had Galileo, which was propulsion using gravity”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:32:06.6-00:32:10.6 testimony second hand
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The Sidekick briefing concerned the weaponisation of the gravity propulsion technology.
“You had Sidekick, which was the weaponization of this technology.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:32:11.9-00:32:17.3 testimony second hand
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The Looking Glass briefing concerned time dilation and the ability to peer into time, both forward and backward.
“looking glass, which was something to do with time dilation and peering into time somehow forward, backwards, what have you”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:32:20.0-00:32:29.4 testimony second hand
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People Chris Ramsay knows have spoken to witnesses apparently in the program about a sphere called Looking Glass that had to be interacted with consciously to peer into time through consciousness-based interaction.
“I've heard some people I know that have spoken to witnesses that are apparently in the program have talked about some weird interaction with a sphere that they called like looking glass. which was a sphere that they had to interact with consciously and could peer into time through consciousness-based interaction somehow.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:33:45.3-00:34:06.6 hearsay second hand
277
Two of the most contentious names in the UFO field, which instantly cause people to start feuding, are Bob Lazar and Billy Meier.
“there are a few names that you can drop and instantly, you know, people will start feuding. And two of those names are Bob Lazar and Billy Meier.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:03:15.9-00:03:27.8 opinion
278
Bob Lazar pointed out that the Billy Meier sports model, or beam ship, was a one-for-one identical match to craft he was familiar with, and was blown away by it.
“Bob Lazar pointed out, obviously, the sports model or the beam ship, as it's aptly named, that that was a one for one match. That was pretty identical. And Bob was kind of blown away.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:03:39.0-00:03:53.9 testimony second hand
279
Chris Ramsay and Bob Lazar both agree that the later Billy Meier material is questionable.
“Bob and myself both agree, like the later stuff is a little questionable.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:03:53.9-00:03:59.6 opinion
280
There are over a thousand Billy Meier contact reports.
“there are a lot of contact cases over a thousand oh the reports the reports right”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:04:03.4-00:04:19.1 testimony
281
The most famous Billy Meier reference is the 'I Want to Believe' poster that appears in nearly every X-Files episode, which is a cropped version of a Billy Meier photo.
“The most famous Billy Meier reference would definitely be that, you know, poster that appears in pretty much every X-Files episode, the I Want to Believe, the cropped version of a Billy Meier photo.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:05:37.4-00:05:52.6 testimony
282
The initial iconic Billy Meier craft photo was taken in Switzerland around 1975.
“this initial craft, the one in 1975, I believe, uh, that was taken in Switzerland”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:17:05.4-00:17:21.9 testimony
283
The Billy Meier beam ship craft shown to Bob Lazar is an identical physical match to the craft in the 1975 photo, though perhaps not in size.
“knowing that this craft is pretty much identical, if not just in look, but maybe not in size so much, but it is an identical match physically to the other one.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:18:13.0-00:18:29.0 opinion
284
One possible explanation for the matching craft is that the Billy Meier craft was authentic and the craft Bob Lazar was shown was a replica, perhaps a Lockheed Martin deep underground black military project.
“the craft that Bob was shown was like a replica of that, right? Perhaps some Lockheed Martin, deep underground black military project.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:18:57.0-00:19:05.7 opinion
285
Chris Ramsay found forced-perspective imperfections and inconsistencies with reality in the wedding cake UFO photos, judging from his background in illusion.
“some uh imperfections or inconsistencies with reality when taking photos from objects and mainly due to my background in illusion uh there's a forced perspective that simply doesn't work for me”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:19:31.5-00:20:21.3 opinion first hand
286
Online creator Zach King uses forced-perspective principles in nearly every video to fool the audience.
“online people like Zach King, I don't know if you're familiar, but there's like a, he uses this type of principle pretty much in every video and ends up fooling the audience at home.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:20:21.3-00:20:33.1 opinion
287
Billy Meier is one-armed and has only one hand, but is very capable.
“because he is one-handed he's one arm he has one arm”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:32:14.4-00:32:17.4 testimony
288
Chris Ramsay assessed that for the close-up nighttime wedding cake car photo, the craft being sharply out of focus indicates it was very close to the camera and therefore very small, the size of a toy car, leading him to conclude that particular photo was a hoax.
“the only way that that can be is if this object was very small. size of a toy car say ... i'm pretty convinced that that was not a genuine like this was this was hoax this photo particularly”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:35:46.4-00:36:46.2 opinion first hand
289
Chris Ramsay considers the evidence around Billy Meier's primitive 1964 Kodak photographs compelling.
“I'll agree. Compelling.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:51:54.9-00:51:55.4 opinion
290
Chris Ramsay's initial analysis leaves him more comfortable with the scenario that Billy Meier hoaxed this part of the story, because he cannot comprehend it being authentic.
“my initial analysis i'm more comfortable living in that scenario okay um just because my brain cannot comprehend that being you know authentic”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:54:08.3-00:54:34.4 opinion
291
The Space Brother movement and the Ashtar Command are associated with people claiming to be contactees.
“you're referring to the space brother movement yes... Ashtar command yes”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 00:55:59.4-00:56:05.7 testimony
292
The Billy Meier photo book contains photographs depicting groups of people standing on a hill with one or sometimes two craft behind them in a double-exposure fashion.
“there are photos in the, in the picture book that depict a whole slew of people just kind of standing on a hill and behind them in almost like a double exposure fashion. There's like sometimes one craft, sometimes two”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:04:37.1-01:04:55.5 observation
293
In the photographs of people on a hill it was said that Semjase, the inhabitant of the craft, was teleporting the craft.
“it was said that Smyazé was the, the, you know, the inhabitant of this craft was like teleporting the craft or something.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:04:55.5-01:05:00.1 hearsay
294
Thermography measures how hot a light source is rather than actual heat, which would require thermal cameras to detect.
“when it comes to like thermal thermography, they're, they're just measuring how hot the light source is, not how, not actual heat, because you would need thermal cameras for that.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:08:39.5-01:08:49.5 opinion
295
Halation, where a very bright object gives off a light aura visible when brought into image-editing software, can be a natural effect of the film or lens rather than a real glow.
“there is halation as well... If there's a very bright object, it'll give off a light... you'll see an aura, quote unquote, but that might just be a natural effect of the film itself. Or the lens”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:09:07.2-01:09:38.9 opinion
296
Valiant Thor is associated with the Stranger at the Pentagon account from the 1950s contactee era.
“the sort of Strangers account with the Stranger at the Pentagon... Valiant Thor. Valiant Thor. That's right.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:12:34.5-01:12:42.8 testimony
297
The numbering of every sentence in the Billy Meier contact reports allows readers to verify and reference specific statements.
“so that you can go and verify it ... you can also reference like if you have a question be like wow see section 115 of whatever”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:39:50.3-01:40:17.3 opinion
298
George Orwell and Isaac Asimov spoke of similar concepts about future deception and control.
“we had George Orwell as well, you know, speak of similar things and, uh, Isaac, Isaac Asimov and like, we had like a lot of literary sort of giants talk about these concepts.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 01:56:27.1-01:56:38.4 opinion
299
The seven Hermetic principles include that everything is mental, that there is a masculine and feminine to everything, that everything is in constant motion, that everything fluctuates in waves, and that there is no opposite but only varying degrees of the same thing.
“I think there's seven of them where everything is mental ... so everything is mental uh there's a masculine and feminine to everything uh everything is in constant motion um everything is uh so fluctuates like in waves um there is no opposite only varying degrees of the same thing”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:15:58.9-02:16:34.6 testimony
300
Ed Dames died shortly before the 2026-06-12 recording of DEBRIEFED episode 92.
“Sadly, Ed has passed away recently.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:21:29.9-02:21:32.9 testimony
301
Ed Dames served in the United States Army.
“he was in the army and that's kind of”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:22:00.4-02:22:24.8 testimony
302
Ed Dames was good at teaching remote viewing, and his students were among the best remote viewers.
“the students that came from ed were some of the best remote viewers you know they had like some of the best teachings”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:22:24.8-02:22:41.3 opinion
303
Ed Dames was not a great remote viewer, though he was good at teaching it.
“I don't think Ed was a great remote viewer. No, he wasn't. But I think he was really good at teaching it.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:23:11.6-02:23:18.4 opinion
304
Ed Dames was convinced Chris Ramsay would be the one to film his first contact with extraterrestrials.
“he was convinced that i was going to be the one to film first contact with him that he was being led to first contact”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:25:02.2-02:25:27.4 testimony first hand
305
Ed Dames went out with the Prince of Liechtenstein and Hal Puthoff to see UFOs, remote viewing where a UFO would be.
“when he was out there with the uh it was the prince of lichtenstein and like all sorts and ... the Hal Puthoff and And they went out to see UFOs and, you know, they would make, they would remote view where the UFO would be.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:25:02.2-02:25:32.4 testimony
306
UAP Gerb cannot work out how Chris Ramsay performed his card tricks and does not know where he was tricked.
“to this day i've been trying to think about how you did that and i just have no idea i i have no idea where i was tricked”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:00:12.8-00:00:18.6 testimony first hand
307
UAP Gerb had never seen a magic show or card tricks before meeting Chris Ramsay.
“I mean, I'd never seen a magic show before. I really hadn't even seen card tricks.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:00:31.9-00:00:35.8 testimony first hand
308
Seeing a magic performance in person differs from watching it on video, because video allows the viewer to attribute the effect to smoke and mirrors or trap doors and to pause and step back through frames.
“seeing it in person is way different because you're always, you're one step removed. on video ... and you go oh there's smoke and mirrors there's trap doors”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:00:38.5-00:00:45.8 opinion first hand
309
In mentalism performances most of the preparation happens off camera, and what appears on camera is largely word play.
“Like if you look at mentalism, most of the stuff happens off camera. And then when the cameras are rolling, it's a lot of word play, I'll say that.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:01:20.9-00:01:30.6 opinion first hand
310
Mentalism performances are not actual mind reading.
“bits, which is fine, but yeah, it's not actual mind reading.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:02:01.5-00:02:04.5 opinion first hand
311
During the recording of Jesse Michels, UAP Gerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner, Chris Ramsay performed a card trick in which UAP Gerb selected the four of spades, and Chris Ramsay claimed to be reading UAP Gerb's microexpressions to identify the card.
“Is that it? Four of spades. All right. So now here's the thing. So... I didn't actually read your microexpressions. This is all performative. I already knew what card you chose.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:04:19.4-00:04:34.9 observation first hand
312
Chris Ramsay did not read UAP Gerb's microexpressions during the card trick performed in Jesse Michels, UAP Gerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner; the reading was performative and Chris Ramsay already knew which card had been chosen.
“I didn't actually read your microexpressions. This is all performative. I already knew what card you chose.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:04:27.8-00:04:34.9 testimony first hand
313
A magician can know a spectator's chosen card by either forcing the card on them or peeking at the card afterwards.
“Either I force the card upon you or I peek the card after, right? There's two ways to do that.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:04:37.6-00:04:41.9 testimony first hand
314
Asking a person to conceal information the questioner already possesses lets the questioner observe that person's tells, which is valuable to magicians, mentalists and the Central Intelligence Agency.
“And this for magicians or mentalists or even CIA is really, really valuable information. So having inside information and being able to ask people questions you know the answers to,”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:05:16.2-00:05:28.0 opinion first hand
315
UAP Gerb attempted to anticipate which card Chris Ramsay wanted him to take and deliberately chose a different one, yet still selected the card Chris Ramsay intended.
“I tried to game out what you wanted me to pick and choose a different one. Yeah. So I just don't know how I was led to pick the one card you wanted me to.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:05:53.1-00:06:00.9 testimony first hand
316
Chris Ramsay considers members of the intelligence community to be performing the equivalent of magic tricks in interviews, knowing things while playing dumb.
“you take magic and I just apply it to the whole IC, you know, space. And I go, oh my God, like, they're literally doing magic tricks. And you see it on these interviews ... they know things, but they're playing dumb.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:06:24.6-00:06:40.7 opinion first hand
317
Chris Ramsay performs magic tricks on his podcast guests before recording in order to learn their tells, then questions them during the interview.
“when I do magic tricks to these people, um, you know, I get to see ... what their tells are before the podcast. And then I grill them on these questions.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:06:44.4-00:06:59.4 testimony first hand
318
Lying increases blood flow to the face, causing microscopic swelling of the nose, which is the origin of the Pinocchio lie idea and of people scratching their nose while lying.
“when people scratch their nose. So when you're lying, it actually like increases the blood flow to your face, which and this is where the Pinocchio lie comes from because your nose slightly swells like on a microscopic level.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:07:55.1-00:08:06.7 hearsay second hand
319
Nose-scratching while speaking does not necessarily indicate a lie; it may indicate the speaker is avoiding a different subject.
“But that doesn't mean it's a lie. It could mean they're just trying to dance around something else.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:08:09.0-00:08:12.1 opinion first hand
320
Chris Ramsay has not identified any podcast guest as lying through their microexpressions, because microexpressions reveal only inconsistency, not what a person is lying about.
“UAP Gerb: So has there ever been anybody you've had on the pod that because you're able to gauge out their micro expressions or when they're lying, you have just known are feeding you a bunch of baloney. Chris Ramsay: Um, no, because you can't tell what they're lying about.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:08:12.6-00:08:25.9 testimony first hand
321
Lie detectors do not detect lies; they indicate that a person is stressed, without revealing the cause of the stress.
“like lie detectors famously aren't lie detectors. ... So it's telling you, oh, this person is stressed. You don't know what about”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:08:34.2-00:08:41.1 opinion first hand
322
Chris Bledsoe speaks in a soft voice and ends his videos by saying "thank you".
“It's just like the way he's so soft-smoking and he's like, oh, thank you. I've seen so many of his videos.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:09:52.4-00:09:59.4 observation first hand
323
Chris Bledsoe habitually says "cut the football chatter" in his videos.
“He always says, cut the football chatter.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:10:17.0-00:10:19.2 observation first hand
324
Tim Taylor's name was raised during the Charles Hall interview by Charles Hall's wife Mary Therese.
“the fact that his name came up at Charles Hall thing was really interesting too. Like Mary Therese's wife was just like, Timothy, Timothy.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:11:13.7-00:11:20.8 observation first hand
325
Chris Ramsay suspects Tim Taylor may be an experiencer, given his interest in the subject and his contact with Whitley Strieber, Charles Hall and Chris Bledsoe.
“I get the feeling might be an experiencer from having, you know, so much interest in the topic and talking to Strieber. What's his face? Charles Hall and all these other experiencers, Bledsoe.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:12:19.4-00:12:31.4 opinion first hand
326
Tim Taylor worked at The Aerospace Corporation.
“He's an aerospace corp.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:12:42.2-00:12:43.0 administrative first hand
327
Chris Ramsay does not know enough about Harald Malmgren to judge whether he was with the Central Intelligence Agency.
“I don't know enough to put him in that category, but I'll trust both of your judgment.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:15:25.1-00:15:28.9 opinion first hand
328
The material presented in Chris Ramsay's interview with Peter Curry was anomalous physical evidence rather than hearsay, though it does not prove the existence of aliens.
“It's, you know, we're not, it's not hearsay. It's physical evidence. It doesn't prove aliens, but it's anomalous physical evidence that we have.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:19:00.4-00:19:07.4 opinion first hand
329
Genetic testing of the hair associated with Peter Curry's account indicated it was half Asian and half Basque, blonde, and immune to AIDS without the CCR5 gene deletion.
“oh, it's half Asian, half Basque, it's blonde, it's immune to AIDS without the CCR5 gene deletion.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:19:31.2-00:19:38.6 measurement second hand
330
Peter Curry gave his account of a blonde and an Asian naked alien in his room before the hair was genetically tested, so the test results followed rather than preceded his story.
“it was that story first yeah and then you get this hair back that actually kind of corroborates what the heck this guy's saying”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:19:47.4-00:19:53.4 testimony first hand
331
Horace Drew is the geneticist who carried out the genetic test on the hair connected to Peter Curry's account.
“So Horace Drew was the geneticist who did the genetic test on the hair.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:21:49.1-00:21:55.5 administrative first hand
332
Horace Drew has been active in the UFO field for a considerable time.
“He's also been in and around the UFO space quite a lot.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:21:56.9-00:21:59.4 administrative first hand
333
Horace Drew has worked with Bill Chalker.
“He's worked with Bill Chalker, who wrote the book, Hair of the Alien.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:21:59.7-00:22:02.7 administrative first hand
334
Bill Chalker is a respected UFO researcher in Australia.
“Bill Chalker, who's like a respected UFO researcher in Australia.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:22:03.3-00:22:06.6 administrative first hand
335
Horace Drew decoded the initial binary sequence produced by Jeremy Weeks, taking about a few weeks to do so.
“he was the one who decoded jeremy's initial binary sequence... took Horace like a few weeks”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:22:16.0-00:22:19.2 administrative first hand
336
Linda Moulton Howe recognised that the sequence from Jeremy Weeks resembled binary but did not know how to read it or what to do with it.
“i think it was uh Linda Moulton Howe she she didn't know what to do with it she it resembled binary she didn't really know how to read it”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:22:21.8-00:22:27.8 hearsay first hand
337
The creatures in the film The Abyss were James Cameron's work, not Steven Spielberg's.
“yeah tell me about the lore behind the abyss creatures / well i mean he that was James Cameron but”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:24:28.8-00:24:35.5 administrative first hand
338
Steven Spielberg was a producer on Back to the Future.
“but Spielberg was a producer on back to the future”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:24:39.4-00:24:41.3 administrative first hand
339
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial depicts a being being studied, which Chris Ramsay considers an on-the-nose treatment of the subject.
“ET is another one that is pretty on the nose in terms of like you know them studying this being and whatnot”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:24:44.6-00:24:52.0 opinion first hand
340
Tim Taylor refers to a season finale of The X-Files in the book American Cosmic, in which a location he is taken to looks familiar and turns out to be an actual range used in that episode.
“that season finale that Tim Taylor mentions in American Cosmic... he's like, doesn't this place look familiar? And they're like, well, this is actually a season finale of X-Files, and it's an actual range.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:25:02.9-00:25:17.2 hearsay second hand
341
In the pilot episode of The X-Files, the characters go to an Air Force base and see testing of triangular craft lights flipping around, resembling what is described as a TR-3B.
“they go to an Air Force base, and they see testing of lights... Triangles, yep... Massive, you know, what looks like a TR3B”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:25:31.2-00:25:35.4 observation first hand
342
After the pilot episode, The X-Files shifted to a monster-of-the-week format for several seasons.
“And after that, immediately it was like freak of the week for like, I don't know how many seasons.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:25:45.5-00:25:50.0 observation first hand
343
Nick Pope ran the UFO desk at the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence, a role Chris Ramsay likens to the Scully or Mulder figure of the United Kingdom.
“even you look at Nick Pope, who is, you know, kind of the Scully or the Molder of the UK at the UFO desk for the MOD.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:27:18.3-00:27:27.5 administrative first hand
344
Nick Pope's UFO desk at the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence had a public freephone-style telephone number that members of the public could call in on.
“He had a 1-800 number, essentially. It was like this phone number that you would call in”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:27:29.6-00:27:33.6 hearsay second hand
345
Nick Pope received calls from actual experiencers on the Ministry of Defence UFO line and went out to investigate sightings in person.
“you're getting calls from actual experiencers and he's actually going out and seeing these things.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:28:02.9-00:28:06.5 hearsay second hand
346
Chris Ramsay considers it risky for David Grusch to sit down with UAP Gerb, for the same reason David Grusch would probably not sit down with Bob Lazar: the conversation would stray into material that should not be discussed.
“I feel like it'd be dangerous for Dave Grusch to sit down with you. Same reason Dave Grusch wouldn't probably sit down with Bob Lazar, where it's like you guys are going to talk about some stuff that like literally you shouldn't be talking about.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:30:20.3-00:30:34.1 opinion first hand
347
Chris Ramsay considers the Yamantau mountain site in Russia to be the Russian equivalent of Area 51 in Nevada.
“Chris Ramsay: It's like their Area 51. Jesse Michels: It is.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:38:10.6-00:38:12.4 opinion first hand
348
A Russian woman who was an opera singer inherited files from her father, whom she had believed to be a janitor, on his death, including a book of diagrams of UFOs and unconventional science; her account was featured on Ross Coulthart's programme.
“There was this lady. She was like this opera singer. Her father was a janitor, what she thought was a janitor. And then when he died, he left her with all of these files. And it's a book filled with diagrams of UFOs and, like, trippy science.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:38:19.0-00:38:34.0 hearsay second hand
349
Ross Coulthart told Chris Ramsay that nobody has publicly called the inherited Russian UFO diagram files fake and there have been no debunks of them.
“Ross told me to this day, no one's been like, oh, that's fake. Or, like, there was no, there's been no debunks.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:38:43.1-00:38:49.2 hearsay second hand
350
Chris Ramsay would choose Dan Burisch as a person he would want to interview, followed by Bob Lazar.
“I think Dan Burrish... Dan Burrish would be a big, and obviously, you know, Bob Lazar's up there. I think he's everyone's number one.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:40:36.0-00:40:45.0 opinion first hand
351
Dan Burisch has refrained from giving interviews since he came forward in the early 2000s.
“but Dan Burish, I think because he's limited himself to not doing any of these interviews ever, like, you know, since the early 2000s when he came out”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:40:47.4-00:40:58.6 administrative
352
Chris Ramsay has heard unattributed stories that Dan Burisch is under house arrest somewhere in Canada, is not to be approached, and is watched by former Majestic 12 (MJ-12) associated personnel who cannot be got close to.
“There's so many weird stories I hear around Dan Burrish and like that he's under house arrest somewhere in Canada and that like do not approach. Like he's being literally babysat by like ex-MJ-12 like type cats that you can't even get close to.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:41:05.2-00:41:20.1 hearsay second hand
353
Chris Ramsay understands that once a person leaves the scope of Majestic 12 (MJ-12) they are not permitted to lead a normal life and are placed under strict surveillance.
“Like, once you're out of the MJ-12 scope, you're not allowed to just lead a normal life type deal. You're under... strict surveillance.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:41:28.1-00:41:35.3 hearsay second hand
354
Dan Burisch's academic records were erased after his Stony Brook University talk, similarly to the erasure of Bob Lazar's educational records.
“And then afterwards, to have his schooling completely erased, not unlike Bob Lazar, where you can't track them, but we do have this talk that he did at this really prestigious school.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:42:21.2-00:42:35.8 administrative
355
Chris Ramsay regards Dan Burisch's documented Stony Brook University talk as corroborative evidence that he is who he says he is.
“Like you have really, really interesting corroborative evidence of this guy being who he says he is.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:42:40.2-00:42:45.7 opinion first hand
356
Dan Burisch claimed the non-human beings he encountered were humans from the future, from two timelines that had separated, both of which had become breakaway civilisations associated with Zeta or Orion.
“Bursch claimed that these these beings were sort of us from the future right these two different timelines that have like separated and that both of them ended up being these breakaway civilizations on you know Zeta or whatever Orion”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:43:32.7-00:43:48.6 hearsay second hand
357
Dan Burisch claimed the non-human beings are trying to steer humanity clear of imminent doom for the planet, which he said would have resulted from Hillary Clinton being elected.
“And that they're trying to help us steer clear of what is like imminent doom for this planet, which would have been having Hillary Clinton elected.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:43:50.1-00:44:00.2 hearsay second hand
358
Chris Ramsay considers that from people he has spoken to it appears Hillary Clinton was going to be the disclosure president.
“Now, if you look at Hillary and, you know, we talked to a lot of people, it seems like she was going to be the disclosure president.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:44:08.3-00:44:14.4 opinion first hand
359
A search of the Jeffrey Epstein material returned no results for Bob Lazar, although there were results for the surname Lazar belonging to other people.
“No results under Bob Lazar, but plenty of results under just Lazar.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:46:20.3-00:46:23.2 observation first hand
360
A search of the Jeffrey Epstein material returned no results for the term Casimir effect.
“Jesse Michels: No, what about Casimir Effect? E-F-F-E-C-T. Chris Ramsay: None. No result.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:47:54.2-00:47:56.3 observation first hand
361
A search of the Jeffrey Epstein material for anti-gravity returned one result, an exchange involving Robert Kuhn and Jeffrey Epstein.
“One result... I'm pulling it up now. So from Robert Kuhn to Jeffrey Epstein, an exchange between...”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:48:15.3-00:48:28.0 observation first hand
362
In an email in the Jeffrey Epstein material, Yuri Gribov wrote that he deeply appreciated the intention behind the interviews with leading physicists for Closer to Truth about the universe and its basic physical mysteries, and attached his newly published physics article.
“So it starts with Jeffrey being like, I deeply appreciate your strong intention with the bold interviews of the best physicists to be, quote unquote, closer to the truth about our universe and its basic physical mysteries. Um, below is my new J Fizz published article. Oh, this is Dr. Yuri Gribov.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:48:29.3-00:48:56.1 administrative second hand
363
In an email in the Jeffrey Epstein material, Yuri Gribov wrote that his model predicts matter, antimatter and antigravity, that publication of such work had been forbidden in most physics journals, and that the barrier existed without any experimental verification of the opposite case of attractive gravity between matter and antimatter.
“He goes, I waited years for this opportunity. My model predicts the matter, antimatter, antigravity, et cetera, that was simply stupidly forbidden to publish in the most of distant physical journals. Why stupid? Because this barrier existed without any experimental verification of the opposite case. matter antimatter attractive gravity but now it is published”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:49:15.9-00:49:39.7 administrative second hand
364
In an email in the Jeffrey Epstein material, Robert Kuhn wrote that Jeffrey Epstein and Closer to Truth were collaborating on a major series for the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) on breakthroughs in mathematics and other areas, and that they wanted to feature Yuri Gribov in one or more mathematics episodes.
“Robert Kuhn writes in CC's Jeffrey and says, as you know, Jeffrey and Closer to the Truth, so it sounds like an organization, are collaborating on a major series for PBS on breakthroughs in mathematics and other areas. And we surely want to feature you in one or more mathematics episodes”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:50:02.4-00:50:18.2 administrative second hand
365
Yuri Gribov is a physicist and artist based in Germany with an idiosyncratic multiverse theory.
“Yeah, Gribov is a physicist slash artist in Germany with a idiosyncratic multiverse theory”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:50:25.3-00:50:31.0 administrative
366
Chris Ramsay speculates that the exclusion of leading physicists from the legacy programmes was driven by a decision to have only people who do not understand what they are looking at examine the material, because otherwise it breaks reality for everyone.
“And the only way we can do that is to have people who don't understand what they're looking at look at this stuff. Because otherwise, it breaks reality for everyone.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:58:59.6-00:59:07.3 opinion first hand
367
John Ramirez worked in intelligence gathering his whole life.
“It's related to intelligence gathering, which was what he did his whole life.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:04:13.9-01:04:16.7 administrative first hand
368
Chris Ramsay considers the material cut from his John Ramirez interview to be sensitive, currently in use, and a reasonable national security matter rather than a UFO matter.
“And it's very sensitive in something being used currently. So it's probably, it's literally national security reasonable. Yeah, nothing to do with like spooky UFO stuff, but I mean, potentially a little bit adjacently”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:04:19.1-01:04:30.9 opinion first hand
369
Pope Leo XIV is an American.
“Leo, too. He's an American.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:04:50.2-01:04:51.3 administrative first hand
370
Chris Ramsay, referring to Diana Walsh Pasulka's research, says the word rendered as "cloud" in translations of religious texts was originally a word meaning object, and was replaced with "cloud".
“like with Diana, like a lot of the research and the words they use and stuff that was potentially changed in the translation to sort of mask a lot of this stuff, like the word cloud, apparently. was actually like object or something. And so they replaced it with cloud.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:05:53.9-01:06:10.7 hearsay second hand
371
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, a Carthusian monk connected to the Alien interview video lives in Vermont.
“I heard about, you know, this Carthusian monk that apparently lives in, like, Vermont.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:11:30.5-01:11:35.2 hearsay second hand
372
Jon Stewart describes himself as a useful idiot, as relayed by Chris Ramsay.
“He even considers himself a useful idiot, which I think is a refreshing take.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:11:52.8-01:11:57.0 hearsay second hand
373
Jon Stewart compiled a list of the names of the people present in the room in the Alien interview video, as relayed by Chris Ramsay.
“he came up with a list of names that were in that room”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:13:05.6-01:13:07.9 hearsay second hand
374
Jon Stewart independently sought to verify each name on his list of people present in the Alien interview video, and was met each time either with a refusal to discuss the matter or with a relative saying the man would never talk about work, as relayed by Chris Ramsay.
“those names, he then independently sought to verify one by one and was met every single time with either a, I'm not talking about this. Don't call here again. Or. That was my husband. He would never talk about work.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:13:08.9-01:13:22.1 hearsay second hand
375
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, the CIA or the Defense Intelligence Agency hired remote viewers whose sessions repeatedly drew them towards a monastery in the north-eastern United States described as a tall white building, with the indication that the people there would help them.
“apparently how this goes down is the CIA or the DIA at the time hires remote viewers to remote view targets or whatever. Now they're getting pulled in the direction of this monastery in Northeastern United States. And this tall, this sort of big white building is what they're saying.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:13:31.3-01:13:52.0 hearsay third hand
376
Chris Ramsay contacted Joe McMoneagle about the reported remote viewing of a monastery in the north-eastern United States, and McMoneagle said it rang a bell.
“Now I reach out to Joe McMoneagle about this, because that would have been roughly around his time. He said it rings a bell, he would get back to me.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:00.7-01:14:07.5 testimony second hand
377
Joe McMoneagle told Chris Ramsay that remote viewers were tasked against a monastery in that area of the north-eastern United States, but that the tasking concerned hauntings.
“And he got back to me and he was like, no, we were actually tasked for a monastery in that area, but it had something to do with like hauntings”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:08.4-01:14:16.0 testimony second hand
378
The remote viewing tasking of a monastery in the north-eastern United States that Joe McMoneagle recalled to Chris Ramsay was a private undertaking rather than a government one, and took place after the Stargate Project.
“it was like, it was a private thing. It wasn't like a government thing. So it was like post Stargate.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:21.4-01:14:27.9 hearsay second hand
379
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, six people with monastic ties were taken on, trained as remote viewers and put to work as counterintelligence.
“he said these two, they took six of them and they had them work as counterintel. ... it's sort of remote viewers and train them”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:29.8-01:14:37.1 hearsay third hand
380
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, two of the six recruited monastic remote viewers were especially talented and were flown to S-4 in Nevada to communicate with a being.
“two of them were really talented and those two were flown out to S4 apparently um meant to communicate with this being”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:39.9-01:14:46.0 hearsay third hand
381
Jon Stewart has an inside source for the account of the Carthusian monk and has refused, including in person, to give Chris Ramsay that source's name.
“John said he has a guy on the inside he won't tell me his name and i've i like credit to him because i've in person too just give me the name”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:47.6-01:14:56.3 testimony second hand
382
Chris Ramsay has learned the name of the Carthusian monk in Vermont but not the name of the person who interviewed him.
“i find out the name of the monk um but not the name of the person who interviewed the monk so that part still is a little nebulous”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:01.7-01:15:09.1 testimony first hand
383
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, the Carthusian monk in Vermont connected to the Alien interview video is about 97 years old, in good health and still alive.
“apparently this monk is like 97 years old he's in good health still alive”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:09.7-01:15:13.4 hearsay third hand
384
The Carthusian monk in Vermont spoke about the matter to the unnamed person from whom Jon Stewart obtained his information, not to Chris Ramsay.
“UAP Gerb: to you he spilled the beans? Chris Ramsay: no to this to the guy that john was getting his information from”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:17.7-01:15:22.2 hearsay third hand
385
Chris Ramsay has not contacted the Carthusian monk in Vermont.
“have you reached out to this monk? Uh, no.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:22.5-01:15:25.0 testimony first hand
386
Richard Doty has sent pizzas, letters and faxes to the Carthusian monastery in Vermont in an attempt to make contact, according to Jon Stewart as relayed to Chris Ramsay.
“I heard through, um, well through John, uh, that Rick Doty has like, apparently like sent pizzas there and like letters and faxes.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:28.6-01:15:39.6 hearsay third hand
387
Chris Ramsay takes Richard Doty's approaches to the Carthusian monastery in Vermont as evidence that Doty does not already know about the monk and has either a genuine interest or some other nefarious connection.
“what that tells me is that, oh, Rick Doty also doesn't know about this and that he has a genuine interest or some other nefarious connection.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:44.3-01:15:52.3 opinion first hand
388
Jon Stewart has a second inside source who wrote a letter about the Carthusian monk matter, as relayed by Chris Ramsay.
“But he has some other person on the inside that ended up writing a letter.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:15:59.2-01:16:03.3 hearsay second hand
389
Chris Ramsay has written a letter to the Carthusian monastery in Vermont but has deliberately delayed sending it, expecting the monastery to be inundated with emails after he published his video on the subject.
“Now, I've penned a letter. I have a letter ready to go. I put the video out and I thought I'm going to wait a bit because they're probably going to get inundated with emails.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:16:03.5-01:16:11.4 testimony first hand
390
Chris Ramsay considers that an approach to the Carthusian monastery in Vermont must not disrupt the monks' vow of silence and must not imply a cover-up or conspiracy, framing the enquiry instead on historical or faith grounds, or the enquirer will be shut out permanently.
“you can't contact them in any way that disrupts their vow of silence. And you, I mean, you can't infer any type of coverup, conspiracy, anything outside of like perhaps historic purposes or faith purposes.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:16:14.2-01:16:31.4 opinion first hand
391
Chris Ramsay's unsent letter to the Carthusian monastery in Vermont presents him as a researcher, cites rumours that during the Cold War people within certain agencies hired people with monastic ties to aid their operations, and offers the monk a chance to set the record straight.
“that I'm a researcher and that there were rumors circulating that during the Cold War era that some people within certain agencies would have hired people with monistic ties to sort of aid in some of their operations ... I wanted to give you a chance to set the record straight”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:16:40.9-01:17:11.3 testimony first hand
392
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, the Carthusian monk in Vermont broke his vow of silence to answer the questions put to him, and the person who questioned him had been in contact with the monk's family for a long time.
“Apparently, allegedly, according to John, he broke his vow of silence to answer the questions. And that guy has been in contact with this monk's family for a long time.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:17:39.1-01:17:49.9 hearsay third hand
393
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, the Carthusian monk in Vermont described hearing a being in his mind and speaking to the general or colonel present in the room at the same time, translating in real time.
“how they were you know literally he was like listening to in his mind and like talking to the general at the server colonel or whoever it was in the room at the same time like real time translating”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:18:04.1-01:18:14.5 hearsay third hand
394
Chris Ramsay believes the Carthusian monk in Vermont is a real person.
“i would regardless if this person is real which i think he is”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:18:20.8-01:18:23.4 opinion first hand
395
Carthusian monks are in constant contemplation of God.
“They're in constant contemplation about God. That's all we're doing.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:18:58.4-01:19:01.7 observation first hand
396
Chris Ramsay first heard the account of the Carthusian monk in Vermont from Jon Stewart and relayed it to an acquaintance named Ammar, who was at the time staying at Saint Catherine's Monastery, the oldest monastery in the world, having never previously been in a monastery.
“when I heard it first from John to Ammar, our buddy Ammar, he was in a monastery, in the oldest monastery in the world, like St. Catherine's Monastery or something during that time. ... He's never been in a monastery.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:20:34.7-01:20:49.8 testimony first hand
397
The person claiming to have retired at a very high level within an element of the United States armed forces, in contact with UAP Gerb, has seen bodies.
“Chris Ramsay: this guy seen bodies? UAP Gerb: yes”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:23:32.2-01:23:33.5 testimony second hand
398
The person claiming to have retired at a very high level within an element of the United States armed forces, in contact with UAP Gerb, has seen technology, craft and aircraft as well as bodies.
“Chris Ramsay: Seen body, seen tech, seen craft. UAP Gerb: Yeah. Chris Ramsay: Seen aircraft too.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:23:38.0-01:23:41.6 testimony second hand
399
Chris Ramsay exercises about three days a week.
“I do like three days a week.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:27:46.5-01:27:47.3 testimony first hand
400
Chris Ramsay used to surf in California.
“I used to surf in California.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:28:32.8-01:28:33.5 testimony first hand
401
Jesse Michels travelled to Portugal to surf.
“I know you went to, like, Portugal to surf and stuff, but that's sick.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:28:34.0-01:28:36.8 testimony first hand
402
Chris Ramsay considers that most of the work of making interview episodes on the UFO subject lies outside the conversations themselves, in the reading and research required between episodes.
“A lot of people think a lot of the brunt of the work is like having those conversations, holding court, coming up with questions. It's more than that. It's like, it's the amount of brain power it takes to devote to the subject on the off time.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:29:39.6-01:29:52.6 opinion first hand
403
Chris Ramsay reads at least one book by each guest before recording with them.
“I got a guest, I got three guests coming and they each got four books. I got to read at least one of the books, you know?”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:29:56.5-01:30:02.1 testimony first hand
404
Chris Ramsay considers himself the most easily psyoped person because he has no time to research anything.
“I am the most easily psyopable person now because I have no time to research anything.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:31:35.8-01:31:41.4 opinion first hand
405
Chris Ramsay found that responding to every UFO news story shifted his positions according to the news cycle and heightened his anxiety.
“And I'm responding to every single story and I'm giving my take. And my take becomes shifted and molded according to the information- The new cycle. ... it like heightened my anxiety.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:31:46.6-01:32:00.9 testimony first hand
406
Chris Ramsay has had bouts of depression and deliberately avoided daily UFO news coverage when he started out because he judged it would affect him.
“I've had my bouts of depression. I know. I was like, when I got started, I was like, no, no, no. I got to stay away from this.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:33:36.2-01:33:42.2 testimony first hand
407
Chris Ramsay covered daily UFO news for about two episodes when he started his channel and then stopped because he could not keep up with the research.
“when I started this channel, I did it a little bit. maybe for two episodes. ... I'm just like researching constantly because news is coming out daily about stuff. And I'm like, there's no way I'll ever be able to keep up with this.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 lines 269-276 testimony first hand
408
The molecular biologist's account of dissecting a non-human being coincided closely with Whitley Strieber's own experience of the physicality of the beings.
“how that really coincided quite neatly with your experience of the physicality of the beings.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:04:21.9-00:04:26.9 opinion first hand
409
The Battelle Memorial Institute was where biological experiments and autopsies on non-human beings were housed, according to the account given in The Fourth Mind.
“Exactly, was where they were housing these, you know, biological experiments that they were doing and these autopsies.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:05:33.2-00:05:38.2 hearsay second hand
410
An anonymous caller to Chris Ramsay's podcast telephone line, claiming to be a molecular biologist who worked at the Battelle Memorial Institute for a short period during his training for the United States Navy, said the scientists there had to sign non-disclosure agreements.
“someone reached out and said i'm a scientist a molecular biologist that worked at battell for a small period of time during my training for the navy and he said that at one point we were joking with each other because we had to sign ndas”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:05:39.9-00:05:54.5 hearsay second hand
411
An anonymous caller to Chris Ramsay's podcast telephone line, claiming to be a molecular biologist who worked at the Battelle Memorial Institute, said he and fellow scientists there made a pact that if any of them ever ended up working with anything non-human they would send each other a text message saying 'sorry, wrong number'.
“we were joking with each other among the other scientists about oh what if we see aliens and he said we made a pact that day, that if ever we did end up working with anything non-human, that we would send a text to each other and say, sorry, wrong number.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:05:55.6-00:06:18.7 hearsay second hand
412
An anonymous caller to Chris Ramsay's podcast telephone line, claiming to be a molecular biologist formerly at the Battelle Memorial Institute, said that two or three years after the group made its pact, and with no communication between them in the interim, he received an unexpected text message from one of the other scientists saying 'sorry, wrong number'.
“fast forward, I think two or three years down the line, they had not communicated after that... And sure enough, he received a text out of the blue by one of these people... That told him, yeah, sorry, wrong number.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:06:21.0-00:06:35.0 hearsay second hand
413
Chris Ramsay suggests the Battelle Memorial Institute scientists probably conceived their 'sorry, wrong number' pact after hearing a workplace rumour.
“Yeah, they probably had to have heard some type of water cooler rumor.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:06:57.9-00:07:01.3 opinion first hand
414
Chris Ramsay considers the Battelle Memorial Institute and the MITRE Corporation to be key corporations in the UFO subject.
“Battelle, MITRE, uh, all of these corporations seem to be the key to,”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:07:52.9-00:07:57.4 opinion first hand
415
Some people are frustrated or reluctant to acknowledge the United States government's UAP disclosure efforts because of fuzzy imagery and a lack of historic transparency.
“there are a lot of people who are going to be a little frustrated or reluctant in acknowledging some of the disclosure efforts that have been put forth by the United States government due to fuzzy imagery and sort of the lack of historic transparency.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:08:25.1-00:08:40.4 opinion first hand
416
Whitley Strieber's close encounter took place in 1985.
“versus what happened to you back in 1985 and where we are now?”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:08:54.7-00:08:59.5 administrative first hand
417
Japan has recently entered the public conversation about UAP.
“now we're seeing japan come into the conversation as well recently”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:11:19.2-00:11:22.2 observation first hand
418
A common criticism of the United States government's UAP position is that UFOs appear only to land in the United States, which Chris Ramsay says is not the case.
“so many of the criticism with the united states government is that why do they only land in the us why is it only in the us which we know it isn't”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:11:26.6-00:11:34.0 opinion first hand
419
The United Kingdom declassified a batch of UFO files in 2017.
“yeah they declassified a whole bunch in 20 uh 20 was it 2017 i believe it was”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:12:34.3-00:12:43.1 administrative first hand
420
The 2017 United Kingdom UFO file declassification contained little of substance and consisted of sighting reports.
“Whitley Strieber: yeah but it wasn't much there wasn't much to what they declassify Chris Ramsay: no it was sightings”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:12:43.4-00:12:47.3 opinion first hand
421
Chris Ramsay considers the current official approach to UAP a cowardly one, in which material is released without any acknowledgement of what the phenomena are and with the government disclaiming responsibility for interpretation.
“we're seeing a lack of acknowledgement on what this stuff is they're kind of just putting it out there and being like we're not responsible for whatever you think it is... and that seems like a cowardice type of approach”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:12:53.0-00:13:08.1 opinion first hand
422
Chris Ramsay wants official UAP disclosure to address the 1947 Roswell incident and the 1965 Kecksburg incident rather than only the UAP terminology.
“you're saying UAP, you know, why not? Let's talk about the other stuff too. Let's talk about the elephants in the room. Let's talk about the Roswells, the, the Kecksburg.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:13:11.0-00:13:18.9 opinion first hand
423
Chris Ramsay argues that legislating for the government to seize exotic material from private corporations would violate personal intellectual property and raises the question of who decides where the line falls, since an independent inventor's work could be deemed exotic and taken.
“What that also entails is a violation of, you know, people's personal intellectual property... some inventor is out there inventing something completely on his own, but they deem it to be exotic and take it away from him.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:16:17.5-00:16:39.2 opinion first hand
424
Chris Ramsay argues that examining the pattern of visitations shows that the value the Non-Human Intelligence seek is not material resources as humans know them.
“there is clearly a value for them if you look at all of the visitations and you try and piece together whatever we can with our meager little minds here uh you get to the bottom very fast and you go it's not resources like we know them”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:22:48.7-00:23:06.1 opinion first hand
425
Bob Lazar reported that the non-human intelligence refer to humans as containers.
“if you look at the case of Bob Lazar, he had those haunting words where they call us containers, and then containers of what?”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:23:25.8-00:23:32.2 hearsay second hand
426
Chris Ramsay does not assume that humanity is alone, and expects there to be a great many other inhabited worlds if Earth is a school.
“Cause I assume if this is a school, there's probably a trillion other schools out there. I don't assume that we are alone in this.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:29:40.8-00:29:47.2 opinion first hand
427
Chris Ramsay holds that most of reality is non-physical, and that the mainstream way of thinking wrongly equates non-physical with not real.
“I always feel like there is a connection in sort of the streamlined way of thinking, the mainstream way of thinking that non-physical means not real... because if anything, it's more real because most of reality is non-physical.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:32:42.7-00:32:58.2 opinion first hand
428
Chris Ramsay considers that historically anything unexplainable was treated as supernatural or demonic.
“Anything unexplainable was supernatural, was demonic, whether it's, you know, talking about gravity or, you know.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:39:51.9-00:39:59.0 opinion first hand
429
Chris Ramsay considers the Non-Human Intelligence beings to have an eldritch quality that cannot be put into words, and that seeing them would frighten most people even those who study the subject.
“It'd be a frightening thing for most people to see, I think. Uh, yeah. Even if you are studying it and used to it, um, there, you know, there's something really eldritch about these things that you can't quite put into words if you see them.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:50:20.7-00:50:37.7 opinion first hand
430
The cover art of Communion comes up all the time in the conversations Chris Ramsay has with close-encounter experiencers.
“that cover art and we talked about this last time you were on as well but it's something that keeps recurring in the conversations that i have with experiencers yeah it comes up all the time all the time”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:56:16.8-00:56:28.5 testimony first hand
431
Peter Curry appeared on Chris Ramsay's podcast and said an Australian billboard bearing the Communion cover art and the words "they're here" was one of the things that unlocked his memory.
“Peter Curry was on here. I remember him saying that It's one of the things that unlocked his memory. ... was, uh, a billboard in Australia that featured, you know, uh, they're coming, I think, or they're here. I think it was they're here.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:57:11.7-00:57:26.4 hearsay second hand
432
Peter Curry is a man from Australia who is a lifelong abductee.
“He's a gentleman from Australia who's a lifelong abductee as well.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:57:17.2-00:57:20.2 administrative first hand
433
Chris Ramsay holds that the word "genius" originally means "the attended one", and that historically a genius was assumed to be receiving knowledge from another entity rather than possessing higher knowledge themselves.
“a genius, uh, actually when you break it down is the attended one. It means the attended one. ... back in the day when someone was a genius, they wouldn't assume that they had higher knowledge. They would assume that they were being given knowledge by another entity.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:58:52.4-00:59:09.4 opinion first hand
434
Chris Ramsay describes old artistic depictions pointed out by UFO researchers that show an object in the sky with a beam coming through a window and striking a person in the head, and interprets these as representing knowledge arriving from elsewhere.
“when you have these old depictions, specifically the ones that are pointed out by UFO researchers, where there's one in the sky and there's this beam coming through a window, hitting the person in the head. This is the knowledge coming from elsewhere, the attended one.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:59:14.8-00:59:30.0 opinion first hand
435
Savant syndrome is not well understood, including how it works, why it happens, how it can be triggered, and how it might be harnessed.
“we don't really understand how savant syndrome works or why it happens and how you can trigger it or how you can harness it”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:59:44.6-00:59:51.0 opinion first hand
436
Chris Ramsay suggests that alien implants may act as a gateway for anomalous knowledge, and asks whether the geniuses of earlier times were themselves implanted.
“there's some merit there that perhaps this implant you know acts as some type of gateway and if we look back in time are these geniuses of the time were they in fact implanted as well”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:00:18.0-01:00:31.1 opinion first hand
437
Many alleged alien implants have been removed from people over time.
“there's a lot of implants that are actually removed over time, though.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:01:14.4-01:01:17.6 opinion first hand
438
Chris Ramsay suggested that the unnamed doctor with a Central Intelligence Agency connection who sought a computed tomography scan of Whitley Strieber's implant was Kit Green.
“Chris Ramsay: It was a Kit Green? Whitley Strieber: I'm not going to say his name because he told me not to.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:02:53.9-01:02:57.8 opinion first hand
439
Chris Ramsay considers artificial intelligence systems dangerous to rely on as a source because they unapologetically and confidently give false information and then concede the error when challenged.
“There's a real pandemic out there of people using AI and citing AI as a resource. ... you need to be very careful with that because it will unapologetically and very confidently give you false information. And then when you call it out, it goes, oh, you're right.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:06:07.4-01:06:23.2 opinion first hand
440
Chris Ramsay considers that commercial developers are not seeking to build a better artificial intelligence but a more lucrative one, whereas the military is building a better one, and that the packaged corporate version is designed to flatter users rather than be accurate so that they keep paying for it.
“they're not looking to make a better ai they're looking to make a more lucrative ai The military is making a better AI, but what we're getting is the packaged, lucrative sort of corporation version of it where much more interesting to a business is to have an AI that isn't necessarily right all the time, but that makes you feel good.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:06:42.9-01:07:07.1 opinion first hand
441
In an account by either David Fravor or Ryan Graves, United States military personnel attempted to lock onto a UAP and it scrambled their systems.
“Was it Fravor or could have been Ryan Graves or one of the accounts where... They tried to lock onto this thing and it scrambled their systems”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:10:19.3-01:10:28.2 hearsay second hand
442
Chris Ramsay considers the scrambling of United States military systems by a UAP to be, on paper, an act of war.
“which on paper is an act of war”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:10:28.8-01:10:30.9 opinion first hand
443
A UAP encountered by United States military personnel presented itself at a waypoint that nobody outside the crew knew of.
“and then, you know, present themselves at the way point that, you know, nobody knew”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:10:35.4-01:10:39.3 hearsay second hand
444
Chris Ramsay attends UFO conferences at which people give him manuscripts of their generative pre-trained transformer (GPT) chat logs, believing their GPT has become sentient and is an alien communicating important messages to them.
“i go to these conferences as well and i'm presented sometimes people give me these manuscripts of their chat gpt logs and how they believe that their gpt is now sentient and it's an alien communicating to them you know um really important messages”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:10:46.1-01:11:03.0 testimony first hand
445
Chris Ramsay considers large language models good at creating a world built around a user's own predispositions.
“that's what these large language models are really good at. They're really good at creating a world based around your own predispositions.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:11:05.6-01:11:16.1 opinion first hand
446
Chris Ramsay considers large language models good at reading humans, analysing users' typing patterns, giving just enough to prompt a conclusion, and pulling back when they detect reluctance.
“they're good at giving you exactly just enough and pulling back enough when you feel a little reluctant by the way you're typing, your patterns. It's very good at reading humans and analyzing. our communication”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:11:18.1-01:11:30.0 opinion first hand
447
Chris Ramsay cautions that if aliens eventually used artificial intelligence to communicate with humans, humans should not believe them.
“I would caution I feel like if aliens eventually used AI to communicate I don't think we should believe them.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:11:44.3-01:11:54.6 opinion first hand
448
Chris Ramsay considers it too late to stop the development of artificial intelligence.
“I think it's too late. The genie's out of the bottle. You can't.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:12:53.4-01:12:56.4 opinion first hand
449
Chris Ramsay assumes that if humans can conceive of creating artificial intelligence, it has already been created somewhere in the universe, probably a million years ago.
“I also assume that if we can even think about creating artificial intelligence, I would assume that somewhere in the universe, it has already been done and it has probably been done a million years ago.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:13:02.1-01:13:14.0 opinion first hand
450
Chris Ramsay believes the answer to the origin of the universe probably lies outside current human perception of reality and therefore outside space and time.
“probably the answer lies outside of our current perception of reality and though, and so probably outside of space and time.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:16:06.9-01:16:15.1 opinion first hand
451
Chris Ramsay believes the universe has no beginning and no end, having never started, and that this is hard for humans to comprehend.
“I don't think there is a beginning to the universe. I think it never started and it never ends. It's just hard for us to comprehend this.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:16:43.6-01:16:51.1 opinion first hand
452
Chris Ramsay holds that observations of the universe extend only as far as light can reach and as far as telescopes can see, so nothing is known about what preceded the Big Bang.
“that is only as far as we can see this is as far as light can reach us and as far as you know our telescopes go but you know previous to the big bang we don't we don't know”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:17:11.0-01:17:22.0 opinion first hand
453
Chris Ramsay holds that there is no time or space in dreams, so a person could spend ten minutes or ten years in a dream without perceiving the difference.
“if you think about dreams, There's no time there. There's no space in dreams. You could spend 10 minutes in a dream or spend 10 years in a dream. You wouldn't see the difference.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:18:07.9-01:18:18.1 opinion first hand
454
Chris Ramsay considers Whitley Strieber's belief-as-doorway explanation for UFO secrecy absurd but also plausible.
“Chris Ramsay: That is so absurd, but also... Whitley Strieber: It's not absurd. Chris Ramsay: No, it is, but it's also plausible.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:23:39.6-01:23:46.0 opinion first hand
455
Chris Ramsay is a magician skilled with cards, and Whitley Strieber has personally cut the cards repeatedly during Chris Ramsay's card work without preventing the intended outcome.
“You're a magician. I mean, you, you're brilliant with cards... I've done it with you. I've cut the cards and cut the cards and you still come up with exactly what”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:24:57.2-01:25:04.5 testimony first hand
456
Eric Davis, who had access to that information, said there is no one looking into advanced physics in the UAP programme.
“that's some type of information that Eric Davis had access to. And he's like, yeah, there's no one looking into advanced physics in the program.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:26:17.1-01:26:24.6 hearsay second hand
457
Eric Weinstein argued that the absence of physicists in the UAP programme makes no sense, because working out an unknown would require theoretical physicists of all kinds.
“And where Weinstein's like, this doesn't make sense. If you're trying to figure something out, then you would need theoretical physicists of all kinds.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:26:25.0-01:26:33.2 hearsay second hand
458
The chief astronomer of the church said recently that he does not believe the UFO phenomenon is real, and Chris Ramsay characterised the position as there not being enough evidence.
“the chief astronomer of the church just the other day. ... Said, I don't believe that it's real. Chris Ramsay: Not enough evidence.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:30:31.6-01:30:37.9 hearsay second hand
459
Jimmy Carter had a Unidentified Flying Object sighting of his own.
“there's there and he had a sighting of his own too so”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:32:44.6-01:32:47.2 testimony
460
Chris Ramsay believes that a paradigm shift from contact with non-human intelligences would lead humanity to restart counting years from zero, with everything referenced as before or after.
“I also think if we are going to live through such a paradigm shift that I always thought we're going to start counting the years at zero again.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:34:34.3-01:34:46.0 opinion first hand
461
Chris Ramsay considers the change brought by Unidentified Aerial Phenomena disclosure to have been happening gradually over the past 70 to 80 years, and to look immediate when viewed over the span of one or two lifetimes.
“if it does happen in a gradual way, which it does seem to be happening in the last, you know, 70, 80 years happening gradually, you zoom out far enough and that isn't so gradual anymore”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:34:59.4-01:35:10.6 opinion first hand
462
Debbie Jordan was among the first contactees to describe being shown a hybrid child.
“I think one of the first ones to mention this type of thing was Debbie Jordan with a... Debbie, yeah. Yeah, hybrid child.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:39:22.7-01:39:29.9 testimony
463
Eric Nanstiel and Peter Curry are among the many people who have described reproductive material being taken and being shown hybrid children.
“But then so many more, including a lot of the people that were here, including Eric Dansteel, we talked about, Nansteel, Peter Curry as well. So, so many other people.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:39:31.2-01:39:41.5 testimony
464
Male sperm counts have been declining by as much as 1 per cent per year since the 1980s.
“We're seeing sperm count being lowered in males as quick as 1% per year since the 1980s.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:43:17.5-01:43:22.5 measurement
465
Chris Ramsay considers that harvesting human reproductive material would have been imperative around and before the 1980s, given the subsequent decline in sperm counts.
“You know, harvesting that now would be imperative. Actually harvesting it prior to the 1980s, right around the 1980s, would have been imperative.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:43:24.6-01:43:32.4 opinion first hand
466
Chris Ramsay considers that a genetic sampling programme would seek the most varied possible human sample, and that the human population was never more varied than in and around the 1960s, when mixed-race unions and travel between cultures were widespread.
“if you're going to take a sample for genetics, for instance, you would want to make sure the sample is as varied as possible ... Well, we were never more varied than in and around the 1960s in our entire history. There were mixed races.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:44:00.4-01:44:21.0 opinion first hand
467
Chris Ramsay considers that a narrow window around the 1960s, when human genetic variation peaked and before sperm counts began falling, would have been the optimal time for a visitor travelling through time, interdimensionally or across the galaxy to collect human genetic samples.
“and then our sperm count started dropping so there is a it feels like there is a small pocket there if you were traveling in time or interdimensionally or from across the galaxy that would have been ... that would have been the time”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:44:28.9-01:44:40.1 opinion first hand
468
Chris Ramsay has recently been researching time slips and finds that a large number of them are reported in England.
“You hear about these time slips. I've been looking into them quite recently, actually. Especially in England, there seem to be a lot of them.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:56:26.1-01:56:32.2 testimony first hand
469
People in England report turning a corner and seeing carriages and old shops, with the scene reverting to normal after they take a few steps.
“there are people who report in the same area turning a corner and just like you, seeing carriages and seeing old shops and wondering what the heck is going on. And as soon as they take a few steps, whoosh, it's back to normal.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 01:56:38.8-01:56:51.3 hearsay second hand
470
Chris Ramsay is a magician and is familiar with essentially all the conjuring techniques used to create the illusion of levitation.
“As a magician, you know, I'm very familiar with techniques in the illusion of levitation, obviously. ... And I've pretty much, I know them all.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:00:10.0-02:00:18.0 testimony first hand
471
Chris Ramsay has seen friends of his perform some of the most convincing levitation effects ever captured on video and knows how they are done.
“I've seen friends of mine create some of the most incredible moments of levitation that have ever been captured on video, and I know how it's done.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:00:18.8-02:00:28.7 testimony first hand
472
Xavier Mortimer performs a levitation in the middle of a park with nothing overhead, using a skipping rope during the effect, which eliminates several possible methods, though a conjuring method is still at work.
“I think of Xavier Mortimer who, in the middle of a park, right? No, nothing overhead. just levitates and has a jump rope. and uses the jump rope as well. So now he's eliminating multiple methods here. And still there is a method at play and there's trickery afoot.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:00:29.9-02:00:47.7 testimony first hand
473
Chris Ramsay considers that the further back in time one goes, the easier people are to fool, and his knowledge of deception limits how readily he accepts historical levitation accounts.
“But I have a limitation for that stuff in my own mind because of my knowledge in deception. And I know that the further I go back in time, the easier people are to fool as well.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:00:48.8-02:01:06.3 opinion first hand
474
Chris Ramsay suggests the electrical energy felt when the Non-Human Intelligence touches people may be how they are able to levitate people through walls.
“perhaps how they were able to levitate them through the walls and through”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:04:29.1-02:04:32.0 opinion first hand
475
Chris Ramsay considers that the many reported cases of levitation probably involve electromagnetic forces or something similar that behaves like gravity without being gravity.
“the amount of cases that report these levitations and this technology, it's something obviously we don't understand, probably something to do with electromagnet, uh, magnetic forces. ... That behaves in the same manner, but isn't quite gravity.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:04:49.8-02:05:00.4 opinion first hand
476
Chris Ramsay does not consider good and bad to be a binary system, holding that there are no opposites, only varying degrees of the same thing.
“I don't think there is a binary system to good and bad. I don't think there is, I don't think there is such thing as good and bad. ... There are no opposites, just varying degrees of the same thing.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:08:25.6-02:08:33.7 opinion first hand
477
Whitley Strieber's alien implant was active during the 2026-07-24 interview with Chris Ramsay, and with it active he did not lose any names during the conversation, whereas without it active he does not necessarily recall a name such as Robert Sarbacher.
“in this conversation, you'll notice I've never lost a name or anything like that as we've gone through the conversation because the implant, like I don't necessarily remember the name of Robert Sarbacher when we're not talking, when the implant's not on, but when it is on, no problem.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:14:51.4-02:15:07.5 testimony first hand
478
On the day of the 2026-07-24 interview Whitley Strieber's alien implant turned on early, switched off when Chris Ramsay called to say they would start late, and turned back on while he was travelling in the car.
“It turned on today early. And then when you called me up and told me we were going to be starting late, it turned off. ... it turned back on again while we were riding in the car”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:15:26.5-02:15:37.2 testimony first hand
479
Chris Ramsay raised the possibility that leading thinkers do have alien implants without anyone knowing.
“Chris Ramsay: Who says they don't have them, though? Whitley Strieber: Well, yeah, that's true. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe they don't even know they have them.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:18:06.2-02:18:12.6 opinion first hand
480
There is a lot of talk about a mass event occurring in 2027.
“Do you think there is some mass event that will occur next year? You know, there's a lot of talk about 2027.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:22:02.5-02:22:08.6 observation first hand
481
John Ramirez told Chris Ramsay on Chris Ramsay's programme that he had only repeated what someone else said about a 2027 event, rather than being its originator.
“He was a proponent of it, but also I had him on here and I asked him about it, and he said, no, I just repeated what someone else said.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:22:15.9-02:22:20.6 hearsay second hand
482
Chris Ramsay considers a 2027 mass event timely given the critical mass of artificial intelligence, UAP, financial instability and environmental collapse.
“But it seems to be timely as well if you look at the critical mass of all of these different, you know, things, whether it's AI, UAP, financial instability, you know, ... environmental collapse all this stuff”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:22:32.7-02:22:45.9 opinion first hand
483
Chris Ramsay considers an arrival of non-human intelligences through the mind far preferable to alternatives currently facing humanity, including nuclear destruction.
“And probably far better than some of the alternatives that we're currently facing, including nuclear destruction.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 02:23:30.4-02:23:36.4 opinion first hand
484
Eric Nanstiel appeared on Chris Ramsay's podcast not long before this episode, and was taken by surprise by the cover of Communion.
“Also, uh, Eric Nanstiel, who was here not too long ago. ... another person who was just so completely taken by surprise by the cover of that book.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 lines 195-203 hearsay second hand
485
Jason Quitt is a Canadian author, investigator and experiencer.
“today I'm joined by a fellow Canadian. This is Jason Quitt, author and I would say investigator, experiencer.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:01:51.4-00:02:00.4 administrative first hand
486
Chris Ramsay met Jason Quitt at the Contact in the Desert conference.
“You're someone who I met at Contact in the Desert”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:02:02.4-00:02:04.5 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers Jason Quitt's account of Atlantis, given at the Contact in the Desert conference, a brand new take on the subject.
“you talking about it at contact i was really taken back because i was like oh this is a brand new take”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:02:35.2-00:02:39.8 opinion first hand
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Robert Monroe had his first out-of-body experience in a similar way to Jason Quitt's, finding himself above his body.
“Robert Monroe having his first experience as well.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:07:13.4-00:07:16.1 opinion first hand
489
Chris Ramsay has a friend named Wes who can induce sleep paralysis on command every night if he wishes, but chooses not to because it is terrifying.
“i have a friend of mine who can literally induce a sleep paralysis on command um every night if he wishes to which he doesn't because it is ... it's terrifying”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:08:57.3-00:09:10.0 testimony second hand
490
Chris Ramsay has never experienced sleep paralysis.
“i've never had it”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:09:08.8-00:09:09.4 testimony first hand
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In sleep paralysis a person will often perceive a hag or another being on their chest and feel they are going to die while unable to leave their body.
“often you'll have the hag or somebody on your chest or like some snake or some being, and you'll feel like, oh my God, I'm gonna die. And, and you can't leave your body.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:09:13.8-00:09:22.5 opinion first hand
492
Chris Ramsay's friend Wes, when asked whether he had ever flown in his dreams, answered that he never had.
“Chris Ramsay: I said, Wes, um, have you ever flown in your dreams? And he goes, no, never.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:09:27.1-00:09:33.2 hearsay second hand
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Chris Ramsay suggested to his friend Wes that never having flown in dreams is why Wes stays locked in his body during sleep paralysis.
“And I go, maybe that's why you're locked in your body.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:09:34.2-00:09:36.7 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay flies in his dreams regularly and considers that prior know-how to be what let him will himself out of his body during sleep paralysis.
“I've always flown in my dreams. I fly in my dreams quite regularly. And so for me, I think when I had that sleep paralysis state, I already had the know-how to sort of will myself up as one does in dreams.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:09:37.5-00:09:53.2 testimony first hand
495
The mind awake, body asleep formulation is taught at places such as The Monroe Institute.
“it's the old mind awake, body asleep mantra that, you know, one learns at places like the Monroe Institute.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:11:11.1-00:11:18.7 administrative first hand
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Chris Ramsay has had out-of-body experiences and stopped having them at one point, willingly, because his last experience was frightening.
“as someone who's had them i stopped having them at one point i think willingly um because the last experience that i had was a little frightening”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:11:28.7-00:11:36.1 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay used to drink a half glass of water before bed so he would wake at about three thirty or four in the morning, then hold it and meditate with headphones on, listening to one of the Gateway Experience tapes.
“if I drank a glass of water before bed, like a half glass, I knew I'd have to pee at like four in the morning or 3:30 ... And that's usually when I put the headphones on and I'll start like a sort of one of the gateway tapes”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:13:04.7-00:13:14.1 testimony first hand
498
Chris Ramsay considers that some type of permission may be required to attain the out-of-body state.
“Maybe there's some type of permission that is required, uh, in order to attain it.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:19:14.5-00:19:19.7 opinion first hand
499
Chris Ramsay experienced that leaving the body happens at the moment of letting go, and that merely thinking about letting go means one has not let go.
“one thing that, um, that I've experienced was the moment you let go is the moment it happens. And sometimes you think you've let go. But just by thinking about letting go, you haven't let go.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:19:21.3-00:19:34.3 testimony first hand
500
In the out-of-body state the room seen is not exactly the same as the physical room, as though the brain were creating a reality from memory to make the experiencer comfortable.
“when you turn to look at yourself, you see a body lying there, but In reality, you know, the room isn't exactly the same. Things are a little different. It's almost like your brain is creating a reality based on memory to make you comfortable.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:21:42.3-00:21:56.6 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay has read a few books on out-of-body experiences and has had about half a dozen such experiences himself.
“I've read a few books and I've had half a dozen experiences. I haven't had many.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:23:29.5-00:23:32.6 testimony first hand
502
Chris Ramsay considers the out-of-body experience (OBE) objectively different from a lucid dream, falling into its own category that is neither physical reality nor a dream.
“is that the experience feels objectively different than a lucid dream... And this seems to fall into its own category, which isn't quite one or the other.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:23:36.7-00:23:55.2 opinion first hand
503
Chris Ramsay has had many lucid dreams and many vivid dreams.
“I've had plenty of lucid dreams, many vivid dreams, many lucid dreams.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:23:43.9-00:23:49.3 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay is uncertain whether his awareness leaves his body during an out-of-body experience (OBE), rather than being in his body and outside it at the same time.
“But I don't know that my awareness isn't here and in my body at the same time. Like, I don't know that I'm not in my body.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:24:26.6-00:24:31.7 opinion first hand
505
Chris Ramsay's third out-of-body experience (OBE) was the first time he left his body willingly.
“the first time I willingly left my body, which was the third out of body, uh, event that I had”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:26:20.5-00:26:25.0 testimony first hand
506
Chris Ramsay's first willed out-of-body experience (OBE) came months after returning from The Monroe Institute, following daily meditation.
“it was coming back from Monroe Institute. It was like months later after meditating every single day, finally it's happened again this time, you know, on my own accord.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:26:29.8-00:26:37.5 testimony first hand
507
During his first willed out-of-body experience (OBE), Chris Ramsay attempted to travel to Paris, France and felt himself hurled through space without being able to see anything.
“I was trying to go to Paris for some reason. And I was just like hurled through space, but I couldn't see anything, but I felt myself being thrown.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:26:59.0-00:27:06.0 testimony first hand
508
On forcing his eyes open during that out-of-body experience (OBE), Chris Ramsay saw a giant churning black cube, a massive stone monolith churning in on itself, which he found bizarre and terrifying.
“as I peeled my eyes open forcefully, I'm looking at this giant churning cube, this black rock, like massive monolith of a stone, just like churning in on itself is very bizarre and terrifying.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:27:14.8-00:27:26.5 observation first hand
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Chris Ramsay wiggled his fingers during the encounter with the churning black monolith and was hurled back into his body.
“And I wiggled my fingers and then I got hurled sort of back into my body.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:27:34.8-00:27:39.3 testimony first hand
510
Chris Ramsay likens Jason Quitt's spirit-of-nature manifestation concept to an egregore, and Jason Quitt agrees, specifying one created by plants and other animals rather than by people.
“Chris Ramsay: I mean, like an egregore. Jason Quitt: Yeah. But created by plants. Chris Ramsay: But created by nature. Jason Quitt: And other animals, yeah.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:39:48.4-00:39:54.4 opinion first hand
511
The Canadian Space Agency (CSA) has a mission patch worn by Jeremy Hansen, the astronaut flying on Artemis II to the Moon.
“they have a patch uh that they put on uh Jeremy i forget his last name but he was uh you know the the pilot and astronaut that went on Artemis 2 for the Moon thing”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:40:13.4-00:40:24.6 administrative first hand
512
The Canadian Space Agency (CSA) Artemis II mission patch features a Bigfoot, along with other animals such as an orca, in a design taken from First Nations imagery in which each animal represents something different.
“the canadian patch features a bigfoot on it it was really quite uh nice... they had like all these different animals because it was taken from first nations and sort of you know the orca and this and then that represents different things and on there was like the you know the walking sasquatch”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:40:26.2-00:40:47.0 observation first hand
513
Chris Ramsay thinks the Bigfoot element of the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) Artemis II mission patch signified something about the mystery of the Canadian wilderness, but is unsure and may be mistaken.
“i forget what the significance of it was but i think it was something or other uh about um sort of the mystery of, I don't know, like the, the Canadian wilderness. Um, I could be mistaken.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:40:49.8-00:41:04.1 opinion first hand
514
Chris Ramsay likens Jason Quitt's spirit-of-nature intelligence to Jacques Vallee's control system hypothesis, in which an intelligent omnipresent force interferes at key moments in time for reasons it deems necessary.
“Like, like, uh, not unlike Jacques Vallée sort of control system idea where we're dealing with some intelligent, omnipresent force that can, for whatever reason it deems necessary, interfere, um, at certain key moments in time.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:42:27.9-00:42:46.1 opinion first hand
515
Chris Ramsay has worked as a professional magician for 20 years.
“as someone who, you know, for 20 years, being a professional magician”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:50:17.7-00:50:21.6 administrative first hand
516
Chris Ramsay has been very sceptical about magical and spiritual phenomena while being completely intertwined with them through his profession.
“very skeptical about these things, and yet completely intertwined with them at the same time”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:50:23.4-00:50:28.7 opinion first hand
517
Stage magicians' branding commonly uses pentagrams, sigils and signets that have ties to ritual magic.
“there's like pentagrams there's all these like you know sigils and and and sort of signets and whatever that have these ties to magic with a k”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:50:45.6-00:50:56.3 opinion first hand
518
The initial books on magic are about 600 years old and concerned ritualistic magic and how to invoke such things through trickery.
“the initial books on magic were written you know they're 600 years old and they were about ritualistic magic but how to sort of invoke these things through trickery.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:51:00.0-00:51:11.4 testimony first hand
519
Parlour magic developed from the techniques used to fool people into believing ritualistic magic, repurposed for entertainment.
“that's where eventually parlor magic came from, was using the techniques that were used to fool people into believing the ritualistic stuff and using it for entertainment purposes”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:51:12.8-00:51:24.6 testimony first hand
520
Chris Ramsay considers stage magicians the most disillusioned people about ritual magic, being incredibly sceptical of it and having separated ritual into entertainment only.
“the most disillusioned people are magicians like they they completely don't believe in any of that stuff they're incredibly skeptical about all the magic with the k stuff and they've completely separated the ritual for entertainment only”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:51:31.1-00:51:43.2 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay increasingly believes that tricking the mind into believing something is real is a key ingredient in rituals and in creating egregores, manifestations or apportations.
“If you can trick the mind into believing something's real, that that is a key ingredient into these rituals. And that's a key ingredient into creating these egregore, creating these manifestations or apportations”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 00:51:57.8-00:52:09.7 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that a ritual or a specific ingredient such as a crystal matters if the practitioner believes it matters, and that a strong enough belief or faith that it will work is the necessary ingredient.
“i think it matters if you believe it matters if that makes sense like if you have a strong enough, um, belief or even faith or knowing without knowing that this will work, then that's the ingredient that you need.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:00:26.5-01:00:43.9 opinion first hand
523
Chris Ramsay considers strong conviction to be what made the difference in Jason Quitt's recovery from his broken back, comparing it to self-fulfilling prophecies about passing or failing a test.
“And that's what helped. That made the difference. ... That type of strong conviction about things ... watch them both fulfill their own prophecies. They are self-fulfilling prophecies.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:03:23.6-01:03:29.5 opinion first hand
524
Jason Quitt's wife put an encouraging message in writing for him during his recovery from his broken back.
“that's really nice of your wife to put that up in writing, because I think that's probably something that you needed to read at that moment”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:04:05.2-01:04:11.4 testimony first hand
525
Chris Ramsay considers there to be an interesting intersection between ufology and the study of consciousness with respect to out-of-body and astral states, because the entities described are often mirrored in both fields.
“there is an interesting intersection between ufology and the study of consciousness in regards to out-of-body and astral states, the entities are often mirrored.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:04:24.4-01:04:36.6 opinion first hand
526
Chris Ramsay believes a majority of alien abductions happen in the non-physical, with the soul body pulled out of the physical body and taken through the wall, the beings themselves also being non-physical and passing through walls.
“many many many many of the abductions i would say possibly a vast majority ... are happening in the non-physical where the soul body is sort of pulled out of the body and through the wall that these beings themselves run through the walls and they are also non-physical”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:04:43.8-01:05:05.4 opinion first hand
527
Chris Ramsay considers that materialist or sceptical people are quick to dismiss encounter accounts as sleep paralysis, and that there may be more to sleep paralysis than they think.
“they would be quick to say, oh, sleep paralysis. Got it. Done. ... perhaps there's more to that sleep paralysis stuff than you might think”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:09:36.7-01:09:43.3 opinion first hand
528
Chris Ramsay considers encounters, out-of-body experiences, kundalini experiences and breaking through on N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) all easy to brush off if one has not had a first-hand experience of them.
“an out of body experience or even some type of kundalini experience or uh breaking through on DMT like all of these things are easy to brush off If you haven't had a firsthand experience with them.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:10:13.0-01:10:26.3 opinion first hand
529
Chris Ramsay considers that the correlation between abduction accounts and out-of-body experiences should not stop researchers studying why the same beings are seen.
“I think there is definitely a correlation, but that shouldn't stop us from studying, you know, what is going on. Like, why are we seeing the same beings?”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:10:41.0-01:10:48.0 opinion first hand
530
Going deeper in out-of-body states involves dissolving one boundary after another until what remains is a single consciousness or field, which Chris Ramsay names oneness.
“you kind of dissolve the boundary, dissolve the boundary until it's like, oh my God ... To oneness. ... It's, it's just this consciousness, it's just this field.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:14:04.5-01:14:13.9 opinion first hand
531
During an experience Chris Ramsay opened his eyes and saw a cube with energy moving around it, which he could only describe as a tesseract or fourth-dimensional object.
“It's like your experience when you said you tried to open your eyes and you saw the cube and the energy's going around it. ... Some Tesseract, some fourth dimensional object is all I can sort of say.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:15:35.5-01:15:48.6 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that he can reach down into the lower dimensions and understand the first, second and third, but will never be able to perceive a fourth-dimensional object in the fourth dimension, only a three-dimensional representation of it such as a tesseract.
“it's just hard for me to comprehend that I'll never be able to ... perceive a fourth dimensional object in the fourth dimension ... but i can reach into lower dimensions in my existence and understand what the third the second and the first dimension are”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:16:11.8-01:16:27.6 opinion first hand
533
Asked by Chris Ramsay whether there is a fundamental substrate across all dimensions, comparable to the zero-point field or the quantum vacuum, Jason Quitt answered yes.
“Chris Ramsay: do you think across all dimensions there is a fundamental substrate Jason Quitt: yes yeah”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:19:15.1-01:19:20.3 opinion first hand
534
Jason Quitt holds that the underlying substrate he calls the void is what he and Chris Ramsay themselves are: they come from it, return to it, and are in it now.
“when I say this underlying something, that's who me and you are. ... We come from that. We return to that. We never, we're in it right now.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:20:25.5-01:20:33.6 opinion first hand
535
Chris Ramsay considers the materialist position, that the brain exists and produces consciousness and projects what is perceived, to be completely false.
“the materialist take of it would be ... the brain exists and the brain makes consciousness and the brain projects things ... where I think that is just completely false”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:21:30.0-01:21:36.8 opinion first hand
536
Chris Ramsay holds that reality is infinite in both directions and that zooming in or out far enough makes the very large and the very small look similar, consistent with the principle of as above, so below.
“there is a as above so below it is uh infinite in both ways and if you zoom in or zoom out far enough it starts to look awfully you know similar”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:26:09.2-01:26:17.8 opinion first hand
537
Chris Ramsay experienced an out-of-body experience while meditating in broad daylight, remaining completely lucid without falling asleep, and felt he left his body and walked around his room.
“when i got this sort of semi confirmation while i was meditating in broad daylight and seemingly left my body or felt that way without falling asleep completely lucid walking around my room”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:27:41.8-01:27:56.2 testimony first hand
538
Chris Ramsay considers his out-of-body experience proof that there is more to reality than his physical body, though he does not know whether it is what comes after death or an extension of physical life.
“There is more than my physical body... And that was a sort of proof. And that might not be death.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:28:11.7-01:28:25.9 opinion first hand
539
Chris Ramsay sees a correlation between out-of-body and astral states and near-death experiences, because many people go out of body during a near-death experience and report the same symptoms of floating and seeing themselves.
“a lot of them, it happens during like a near death experience and they're floating, they see themselves, same symptoms... there is something here between the astral and out of body states and near death and dying.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:28:48.7-01:29:06.6 opinion first hand
540
Robert Monroe described a place he called the intergalactic cafe, associated with the state Focus 19, where he would sit at a diner and wait for a being from another dimension to sit down opposite him and converse, with the beings arriving and leaving through tubes.
“I know that Robert Monroe had something similar. I think he called it like the, it was like the intergalactic cafe or something like that, where it was like focus 19”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:35:35.8-01:35:46.9 hearsay second hand
541
The first law of hermeticism is that everything is mental.
“it's all in the mind everything is mental... as it was at the first law of uh hermeticism”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:37:17.2-01:37:20.8 testimony first hand
542
Chris Ramsay considers that the Greek philosophers were far more intelligent than the flippant modern use of the term philosopher conveys.
“we use the term philosophers the greek philosophers we we say it so flippantly i don't think we can comprehend how smart these people really were”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:47:40.2-01:47:48.9 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers that leading readers on a treasure hunt towards a lost civilisation does not fit what Plato and the Greek philosophers did, as they were imparting knowledge such as mathematics, science and astronomy.
“they wouldn't send you on a treasure hunt you know it seems like something hollywood would do ... but in terms of philosophers those guys were imparting knowledge like math and science and astronomy”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:51:08.7-01:51:21.4 opinion first hand
544
Chris Ramsay considers that ancient myths, fables and tales were the way earlier cultures talked about science.
“it's not just fairy tales. Yeah. That is their way of talking about science. That's how they did it. They did it through story, through fable, and through tales.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:55:17.3-01:55:27.2 opinion first hand
545
Chris Ramsay considers that answers are to some extent inconsequential, their only value being that they make it possible to ask a new and more valuable question.
“I do think that to some extent, answers are inconsequential. I think the only thing answers provide is the ability to ask a new question. And I think the new question is more valuable.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:57:10.1-01:57:20.6 opinion first hand
546
Chris Ramsay would not be satisfied by an official answer that humanity is alone in the universe and would keep asking the question until the answer became no.
“if the question is, are we alone, right? If that is the question, if the answer to that is that we're given is yes, we're alone. I'm not happy with that answer. I'm going to keep asking the question until that answer becomes no”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:57:34.9-01:57:50.6 opinion first hand
547
Chris Ramsay considers that the demand for UFO answers serves only a selfish need that people believe will fill a void, and that it will not.
“I do think it is only to satisfy a selfish need that we think will fill a void, which it will not.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 01:58:16.8-01:58:27.7 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay relays that many people say lying in the box in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid and humming will almost induce an out-of-body state.
“I know a lot of people refer to the King's tomb in the pyramids as well as like, if you, uh, the King's chamber rather. And, and if you lay in that box and you start humming, it'll just like, it's, it'll almost induce an out of body state”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 02:00:56.4-02:01:11.3 hearsay second hand
549
Chris Ramsay learned on a recent trip to England that a settlement had to have a cathedral to be considered a city.
“something I found out when I traveled to England recently was in order to be a city, you would have to have a cathedral. I didn't know that.”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 02:01:57.7-02:02:04.2 testimony first hand
550
Chris Ramsay considers Debbie Jordan, covered by Budd Hopkins in the book Intruders, one of the first cases in which human-alien hybrid children were talked about.
“ever since, I think Debbie Jordan, Deborah Jordan was like one of the first ones that, you know, The Encounters book that Bud Hopkins covered. Bud Hopkins covered. was one of the first times I think it was talked abo”
Researcher Describes Strange Encounters With Other Beings - Jason Quitt | Ep. 98 2026-08-07 02:05:57.1-02:06:09.6 opinion first hand
551
Chris Ramsay has sat across from many experiencers who described being presented with their hybrid children.
“this idea that they were presented with their hybrid children. And I've spoken, you know, I've sat across from many an experiencer who's told me about these same things.”
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Peter Curry broke down in tears while describing to Chris Ramsay what he was shown during his experience.
“Peter Curry he broke down in tears with what he was shown”
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Chris Ramsay has spoken off camera to three other male experiencers, all known experiencers, about being shown hybrid children.
“i also have spoken to three other male experiencers off camera about this exact thing and they are known experiencers”
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Peter Curry told Chris Ramsay that before the meeting he was warned the beings were hesitant to show him the child because of how he might react to its physical appearance.
“he was actually told prior to the meeting, He goes, we're hesitant to show you this child because how you might react to what it looks like physically.”
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Peter Curry told Chris Ramsay that the hybrid child he was shown was excelling at school and was highly telepathic, able to pick up anything he thought.
“because this child is excelling and doing really well at school and what they're doing, he's also very highly telepathic. And so he'll pick up on anything that you think.”
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Peter Curry told Chris Ramsay that the beings said they would help him navigate the interaction by screening his mind.
“we're going to help you sort of navigate that interaction and like screen your mind type deal”
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Peter Curry's initial reaction on being shown the hybrid child was shock and indignation, matching Jason Quitt's reaction.
“that was the same sort of reaction he had at first like whoa what the hell is this and then that how dare you do this to me”
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Male experiencers speaking to Chris Ramsay off camera described being shown half-human, half-grey children by grey aliens.
“conversations i've had that say the exact same story that they were shown uh from other this was from other greys um and it was like football head sort of half child half or it was all child but half human half gray”
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The hybrid children described to Chris Ramsay by anonymous off-camera experiencers had a small tuft of brown hair.
“a little tuft of hair uh brown hair”
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The hybrid children described to Chris Ramsay by anonymous off-camera experiencers had big eyes that were not completely black, with large pupils and large irises.
“then the eyes were big eyes but they weren't completely black like there had big pupils and you know big irises”
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The hybrid children described to Chris Ramsay by anonymous off-camera experiencers had a small nose and tiny ears, appearing in between human and grey.
“and then a small nose uh little tiny ears like there was a sort of in between”
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David Jacobs described a five-stage evolution of alien hybrids, stages one to five, in which each stage appears progressively more human.
“David Jacobs, you know, obviously would look into this a lot and he had a whole, uh, sort of evolution going from, he had five stages, stage one, hybrid two, three, four, five ... as it would go on, you would see, you know, the change get more and more human.”
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David Jacobs called the fifth stage of hybrid the hubrid, which was indistinguishable from a human.
“and the five, he would call the hubrid, which was, uh, indistinguishable”
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Chris Ramsay also wants to believe the theory that alien hybrids are created to seed other worlds.
“i want to believe that too”
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Chris Ramsay encountered in his reading a theory that a defence system of spheres surrounds the Earth, working like white blood cells to prevent other beings from arriving, escorting them off the planet or zapping them if they come too close.
“there is a defense system around the earth The spheres ... like this white blood cell sort of defense system that operates ... that prevents other beings from coming here, that escorts them off planet, that zaps them if they get too close type deal.”
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Chris Ramsay described a theory in which the Earth's defensive sphere system may operate using advanced artificial intelligence (AI).
“that operates, uh, you know, using maybe advanced AI or something like that”
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Chris Ramsay described a theory in which a being would have to change its DNA over time to live on Earth undetected by the planet's defensive sphere system.
“And so to be able to live here, you would have to change your DNA. um over time and so you go undetected on this system”
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Chris Ramsay considers ordinary speech, in which vocal cords make vibrations that the listener translates in their mind, to be a very slow modality of communication compared with the instant, wordless knowing experienced in dreams and altered states.
“there is something miraculous that we're sitting here making vibrations with vocal chords ... it's just a knowing and it's just uh this this almost seems to be like the slower modality in terms of communication that we found”
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Chris Ramsay uses the Flatland dimensional analogy in which a finger inserted into a two-dimensional world would be seen only as a line rather than an entire hand, and a two-dimensional figure lifted up could not put the concept of up into words for its friends.
“Have you ever heard of the, um, the flatlands Bob analogy? ... if I stuck my finger in a two dimension, they would just perhaps see a line appear or something and not the entire hand.”
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Chris Ramsay considers it impossible to fit the fundamental substrate underlying reality into the three-dimensional physical box of our secondary physical reality, even when mathematical formulas built on those assumptions turn out correct.
“we're trying to box this so it fits here ... we make formulas that turn out to be correct in our mathematics so that it proves ... that that is what reality is ... I feel like it's impossible to do that.”
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Chris Ramsay considers the placebo effect itself to be magic, finding it unsatisfactory to explain away a physical improvement in clinical trials as merely how the mind works.
“Placebo is magic. Like it doesn't make sense. It shouldn't work. ... to just chalk it up to oh that's just placebo that's how the mind works like for me that isn't satisfactory”
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Julia Mossbridge has carried out work in the study of psi and of precognition.
“You've done incredible work in the study of psi and the study of precognitive you know, precognition, all sorts of really interesting size stuff.”
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Julia Mossbridge is a cognitive neuroscientist.
“But hearing it from a cognitive neuroscientist, I think adds a little gravitas to it for myself, at least.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:05:04.0-00:05:09.9 administrative
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Julia Mossbridge was in the gifted programme Students on Active Research (SOAR).
“I think SOAR, the program that you were in.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:13:54.0-00:13:56.2 administrative
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Chris Ramsay was offered the chance to skip ahead a grade in third grade and declined because he feared the social consequences.
“I remember in third grade, I was offered to skip ahead ... And I remember my mom turning to me and asking me, do you want to go ahead? And I said, no, because I feared the social consequences.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:22:41.7-00:22:55.2 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay attended school on military bases his entire life.
“we lived on, I went to school on military bases my entire life.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:22:47.9-00:22:51.6 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay's third-grade teacher told his mother that he was incredibly bored at school, something he had never vocalised himself.
“sitting there with my mom and the teacher and her explaining to my mom that I'm incredibly bored here. And I was like, I'd never vocalized that.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:22:54.3-00:23:02.8 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers Freedom of Information Act offices notoriously slow, with a backlog of years.
“They're notoriously, you know, they've got a backlog of years.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:27:40.0-00:27:44.1 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers it substantial that Julia Mossbridge dreamt about a man she had not thought about in years, and suggests that knowing she would discuss the topic on the show may have stimulated something in her subconscious.
“maybe it stimulated something in your subconscious that came forward but you know just even dreaming about this man who you haven't thought about in years i mean that is kind of substantial”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:35:12.6-00:35:22.2 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay understands the goal described by Jordan Jozak in his conversations and published writing to have been getting participants out of body and having them build a construct for the programme's operators.
“you mentioned Jordan Jozak which also you know that was kind of the goal from his conversations and and what you know hearing him and reading you know what he put out ... was this kind of idea of like yeah get get out of body ... and like build this construct or whatever for them”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:35:24.3-00:35:39.0 hearsay second hand
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Remote viewing does not involve the practitioner physically going anywhere and is not an out-of-body experience, a point people commonly confuse.
“People get that confused with remote viewing. You're not actually going anywhere. This isn't an out of body experience.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:36:54.0-00:36:58.2 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay woke up hovering over his own body on two consecutive nights, while fully awake, approximately two years before the recording of the podcast episode "Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99".
“yeah i have uh two years ago or two years ago i suppose it was two years ago now um yeah i had uh involuntarily two nights in a row woke up hovering over my body like woke up i was wide awake”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:38:42.1-00:38:55.4 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay's first out-of-body experiences happened at his home, not at the Monroe Institute.
“Julia Mossbridge: were you at Monroe? Chris Ramsay: nope i was at home and i'd never heard about this stuff before”
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Chris Ramsay had never heard of out-of-body experiences before his first one occurred.
“nope i was at home and i'd never heard about this stuff before”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:38:56.8-00:38:59.4 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay entered his first out-of-body experience by forcing his eyes open inside a nightmare while aware it was a nightmare, having been in deep sleep.
“I was in deep sleep and then had a nightmare and then forced my eyes open in the nightmare to like wake up because I was conscious that it was a nightmare.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:39:06.7-00:39:13.5 testimony first hand
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During his first out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay saw his bedroom as grainy, out of focus and low in saturation.
“everything was like out of focus, like it felt grainy... Um, low saturation”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:39:22.8-00:39:25.3 observation first hand
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During his first out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay felt a deep buzzing hum through his body, which he compared to being a struck tuning fork, and found the sensation almost euphoric.
“felt this buzz, this incredible, like deep, like hum, like I was a tuning fork and someone just slapped me... it was almost euphoric, like a nice feeling.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:39:29.7-00:39:40.0 observation first hand
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Chris Ramsay had flown in dreams before his out-of-body experiences and recognised the same sensation of being able to will himself upwards.
“because I've flown in dreams before and I felt like, oh, I could just, this is the same feeling. I could just will myself up.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:39:47.2-00:39:51.4 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay willed himself up out of his body during his first out-of-body experience, became frightened, and paddled back down to his bed.
“I could just will myself up. And I did that. It scared me. And I started paddling down.”
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Chris Ramsay considers his out-of-body state objectively different from a lucid dream, having woken from a lucid dream into it.
“It objectively didn't feel like a lucid dream. Like, I woke up from a lucid dream into that, whatever that state was.”
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Chris Ramsay had taken melatonin, which he does not usually take, on the night of his first out-of-body experience.
“So, and I'd taken melatonin that night, which I don't usually take.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:40:11.6-00:40:15.3 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay wished for the out-of-body experience to recur, and it happened again the following night.
“And the next night I was like, I want it to happen again. And it did.”
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During his second out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay turned around and saw his own body lying on the bed.
“And I remember willing myself up and this time turning around and seeing myself laying there”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:40:24.0-00:40:28.0 observation first hand
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Chris Ramsay describes the out-of-body state as walking a tightrope of fear in which thinking of something terrible or good would instantly manifest, so he tried to think of nothing.
“I always say it's like, uh, like you're walking a tight rope of fear, like instant manifestation will happen... So I just didn't want to think of anything.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:40:37.5-00:40:45.8 opinion first hand
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Returning from his second out-of-body experience, Chris Ramsay descended past his own body, feeling himself pass through it, which frightened him because he had not known descent below the body was possible.
“i remember swimming back to my body going lower than my body feeling my body as i falling through it... I didn't know you can go down like that was very frightening to me.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:40:55.9-00:41:02.7 testimony first hand
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Joseph McMoneagle was sent on weekend retreats to the Monroe Institute during his time on the Stargate Project to test whether leaving his body would make remote viewing sessions more accurate.
“I remembered a conversation I had with Joe McMoneagle, Joseph McMoneagle. during the time that he was at Stargate, that they had sent him, you know, on weekend retreats to the Monroe Institute to see if he can leave his body and to see if that would be more conducive for a more accurate remote viewing session.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:41:29.5-00:41:46.7 testimony second hand
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Joseph McMoneagle travelled from Fort Meade to the Monroe Institute at weekends for out-of-body training during the Stargate Project.
“And so he would do this over the weekends, right? From Fort Meade and go there.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:41:47.5-00:41:49.8 testimony second hand
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Before having his own out-of-body experience, Chris Ramsay disbelieved Joseph McMoneagle's account of leaving his body and suspected he was misinterpreting a dream.
“Maybe a dream he's having and he's misinterpreting a dream or something, right?”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:42:10.9-00:42:13.7 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay concluded his out-of-body experience was not a dream because he had no prior knowledge of the phenomenon yet had the same experience others described.
“And I was like, this is objectively not a dream now. I know this because I didn't know anything about this.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:42:46.8-00:42:52.8 opinion first hand
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After returning from the Monroe Institute Gateway programme, Chris Ramsay meditated for an hour every morning at around 04:30 for about three and a half months.
“every day for like three and a half months, I meditated for an hour every morning at around 4:30, like it was super early in the morning.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:43:12.0-00:43:18.7 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay began having regular out-of-body experiences after about three months of daily hour-long morning meditation.
“And then after about three months, I started having regular out-of-body experiences.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:43:19.6-00:43:23.4 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay began rolling out of his body from vivid or lucid dreams during the night.
“And then it started happening where I would go into vivid dreams or lucid dreaming, and I would roll out of a lucid dream out of my body.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:43:35.3-00:43:42.5 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay had an out-of-body experience at about 05:30 in the morning in full sunlight immediately after an hour of meditation, remaining lucid throughout and never falling asleep.
“One morning at 5:30 in the morning, sun's blaring in my room. I have no curtains in my room and I meditate for an hour. And I put the headphones down. And as soon as my head hit the pillow, I felt the thrumming, the, the, the vibration... And I just get up out of my body and I was lucid the entire time. I didn't fall asleep for a second.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:43:51.2-00:44:07.7 testimony first hand
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During his daylight out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay walked around his room and heard a female voice, which frightened him and made him return to his body after about 30 seconds.
“And I get up and I walk around my room and then I hear a female voice, um, which scared me. And so I looked and I go right back in my body, but that short 30 seconds.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:44:08.8-00:44:18.7 observation first hand
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Chris Ramsay treated his daylight out-of-body experience as confirmation of the phenomenon and it was the last one he sought.
“and that was the last time I was like all right got my confirmation”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:44:25.1-00:44:26.8 testimony first hand
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Julia Mossbridge suspects Chris Ramsay was placed in a programme similar to the one she was in as a child, partly because his father was in the military.
“There's a part of me that thinks you I mean, you seem very familiar to me when there's a part of me that thinks you were probably in one of those programs kind of like I was, especially because your dad was in the military.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:44:45.2-00:44:53.8 opinion first hand
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Julia Mossbridge identifies the pink liquid mouthwash Chris Ramsay was given at school as fluoride.
“Chris Ramsay: I remember mouthwash like that was a regular thing, like the the pink liquid with the mouthwash. Julia Mossbridge: Yeah, that's fluoride.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:44:57.9-00:45:02.8 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay remembers a pink liquid mouthwash being given regularly during his childhood schooling, which was spat out rather than swallowed.
“I remember mouthwash like that was a regular thing, like the the pink liquid with the mouthwash... You would spit it out.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:44:57.9-00:45:04.8 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay does not remember anything strange happening in his childhood.
“I don't remember anything strange in, in my childhood”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:45:16.7-00:45:18.9 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay attended about ten schools as a child, moving around frequently.
“I did like 10 schools when I was a kid. So it bumped around quite a bit.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:45:21.5-00:45:25.0 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay's father was enlisted infantry rather than an officer, and not in the air force.
“my dad was, uh, enlisted. He wasn't like an officer. So it wasn't like we were like air force or anything. He was infantry.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:45:26.1-00:45:30.6 testimony first hand
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Three other people Chris Ramsay spoke with at Contact in the Desert each said their out-of-body experiences also began about three to three and a half months into daily meditation.
“multiple people i've talked to at a convention the same convention i met you at uh we were i was with like three other people and we were having this discussion and i told my story and all three of the other people said for them it also happened at about three three and a half months into meditating every day”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:45:49.2-00:46:04.0 hearsay second hand
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Chris Ramsay met Julia Mossbridge at the Contact in the Desert convention.
“at a convention the same convention i met you at”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:45:51.0-00:45:53.6 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay regards roughly three months of daily meditation as the amount of time needed to reach the Kundalini or out-of-body experience.
“I guess that much time to achieve like this Kundalini or this like experience.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:46:09.9-00:46:12.7 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay no longer seeks out-of-body experiences, and not out of fear of them.
“And for me, I don't seek it anymore, not because I'm afraid of it.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:46:17.2-00:46:21.9 testimony first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers the out-of-body state to resemble what people describe happening when they die, possibly a transitional state rather than the afterlife.
“there was this sentiment of, okay, this seems to be like what happens to you when you die. This, this seems to be the phenomenon that people describe... this might not be the afterlife, it might just be transitional, might be something else.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:46:24.4-00:46:35.7 opinion first hand
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Julia Mossbridge considers Chris Ramsay's decision to stop seeking out-of-body experiences and stay in his body healthy.
“i think that's really healthy”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:47:04.8-00:47:05.5 opinion first hand
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In a session described to Chris Ramsay by Joseph McMoneagle and by Edwin May, experimenters used ping-pong balls over the eyes to produce a Ganzfeld effect to stimulate an out-of-body state before asking Joseph McMoneagle to view a picture in an envelope in another room.
“He did say that he he had one session. I spoke to Ed May about this as well, Dr. May. And he said he had one session where there was a you know, get out of your body, go into the other, they started with the, uh, with the ping pong balls in the eye of the Gansfield sort of, uh, effect to like stimulate this, uh, out of body state. And then they said, get out of your body, walk into the other room and the envelope, there's a picture, go look at the picture and tell me what's on the picture.”
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In the out-of-body session recounted by Joseph McMoneagle, he could not physically interact with the envelope because he was out of his body, so he projected to where the photograph had been taken from and produced a drawing that matched the photograph exactly.
“And he did that, but he couldn't, he couldn't physically interact the envelope cause he was out of his body... And so he just tried to like project where he would be, where that photo was taken... And he drew and it was like a one for one.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:47:41.0-00:47:50.8 hearsay second hand
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Chris Ramsay regards Joseph McMoneagle as having been very good at remote viewing and believes he still is.
“yeah he was really good at it... still is i think yeah”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:47:55.4-00:47:56.6 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay holds that nothing is invented and everything is discovered, including within oneself.
“Nothing is invented... Everything's discovered.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:48:56.1-00:48:56.5 opinion first hand
622
Chris Ramsay holds that people have only the illusion of control over their own minds.
“Yeah, you have the illusion of control or what semblance of control you're trying to hold on to.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:49:22.4-00:49:26.1 opinion first hand
623
Chris Ramsay holds that information exists omnipresently around us and that everyone has access to it across space and time.
“it doesn't have to but it can but it exists sort of um i guess omnipresently um all around us and we all have access to that in space and time and i do believe that as well”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:50:20.8-00:50:33.6 opinion first hand
624
Chris Ramsay argues that if the Earth vanished and another appeared, its mythologies and religions would differ but its mathematics would be essentially the same, which he takes as evidence that mathematics is foundational and located outside the planet.
“if this earth just disappeared another one were to appear like stories uh around you know mythology or or religion would vary but math would essentially be the same and so where's that right”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:50:38.6-00:50:52.0 opinion first hand
625
Chris Ramsay holds that the mind constantly lives in the realm of impossibility and leaks into the physical, rather than the physical producing the mind.
“Because the mind is constantly living in that impossibility... It's just kind of leaking into the physical versus the opposite.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:52:50.4-00:52:53.9 opinion first hand
626
Chris Ramsay considers that humans are clearly being gate-kept from full access to the informational substrate.
“Just the dialing back of access to the substrate is clearly... present. Like we're clearly we're clearly being gate kept from having access to a certain extent.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:54:38.7-00:54:52.7 opinion first hand
627
Chris Ramsay considers that humankind has not, throughout history, been able to use the mind to perceive the past or future in a way that is repeatable or measurable, and infers there must be a benefit to that inability.
“if we go if we look throughout history humankind has not been able to do that in a way that is uh repeatable or at all like measurable so there has to be a benefit to us not being able to do that”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 00:55:10.0-00:55:24.2 opinion first hand
628
Chris Ramsay describes reported alien encounters, including with Nordic-type beings described by George Adamski, with mantis-like insectoid beings and with greys, as consistently accompanied by a sense of familiarity, love, compassion and calm and an impression that the beings mean the witness no harm.
“whether you're talking about like the, the sort of blonde, you know, uh, blue-eyed, blajaran, Nordic ... George Adamski spoke about ... whether they're these insect mantis looking creatures or whether it's the greys or whatever, but they always feel flooded with this sense of a familiarity, but then the sense of love and compassion, like they mean you no harm.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:03:17.3-01:03:43.2 opinion first hand
629
Chris Ramsay proposes that non-human intelligences communicate with humans by way of their access to the informational substrate, which for them is a natural mode of communication.
“do you think like hypothetically, like that's what they're also using to communicate is they just have access to that substrate and for them to communicate, it's just like a natural, more.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:03:49.6-01:04:00.9 opinion first hand
630
Chris Ramsay corrected the account of Jake Barber's emotional experience: it was not an egg-shaped object but an octagonal craft, the eight-gon, that Jake Barber was piloting when he felt an overwhelming sense of feminine energy.
“No, it wasn't the egg. It was the eight-gon, this octagonal sort of craft that he felt when he was piloting, that it was like, yeah, this overwhelming sense of feminine energy.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:04:15.1-01:04:25.8 hearsay second hand
631
In Renaissance paintings of God, Jesus or angels, light is always shown emanating from God as the source, and the absence of light marks those who are not enlightened, such as people persecuting Christ.
“even if you look at like some of the Renaissance paintings of God or Jesus or the angels, the light is always emanating from the source, God ... And the absence of light will also detect like the people who are not enlightened”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:14:42.3-01:14:52.9 opinion first hand
632
Chris Ramsay considers that spirituality and science were once entangled as one, separated after the age of enlightenment, and the pendulum is now swinging back towards a mystical stance.
“we were once entangled with spirituality or what have you, or religion and science was all sort of one. After, you know, the age of enlightenment, we kind of started separating from that. And then the pendulum now ... swung as far as it could on this side”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:17:19.1-01:17:34.7 opinion first hand
633
Chris Ramsay considers that if everything is one and all things are connected, each person matters as much as everything else rather than not mattering at all.
“where my perception would be no you matter as much as everything else... Like we all matter equally.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:35:01.0-01:35:05.0 opinion first hand
634
Chris Ramsay finds comfort in the idea that memory may be retained after death even if individuality is lost.
“the one thing that provides a little more comfort is the idea that memory however might be retained... But what if memory doesn't go away? What if memory is still retained somehow?”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:35:38.9-01:35:48.9 opinion first hand
635
Chris Ramsay considers that memory exists in an infinite informational substrate where individuality does not.
“I think memory perhaps exists in this infinite substrate, right? Where individuality certainly does not.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:36:29.8-01:36:37.2 opinion first hand
636
Chris Ramsay has a picture on his wall of the heart-shaped field around the craft described by Bob Lazar.
“this reminds me of that picture you have on your wall of um the Bob Lazar like the heart-shaped yeah field around the ship”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:37:43.3-01:37:51.1 observation first hand
637
Chris Ramsay considers the body to be a processor that plucks non-locally existing information out of the substrate and applies it to physical reality.
“I've always thought the body as being some type of processing machine, right? Like some processor, like, you know, if information exists non-locally and sort of omnipresently, and then we somehow filter suck pull or whatever pluck information out of the substrate and and then apply it to this physical reality”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:39:43.7-01:40:06.6 opinion first hand
638
Accounts of near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences describe people remaining aware and perceiving that they are separate from their body.
“we hear stories of people having uh or at least you know through near-death experiences or through out-of-body experiences uh we hear about them being aware That I'm still here, but my body's there, but I'm here.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:40:14.0-01:40:29.2 hearsay third hand
639
Chris Ramsay considers the ones and zeros of random number generators to be a modern divination tool, comparable to reading bird bones in earlier times.
“Ones and zeros might just be like a modern divination tool that, uh, you know, we might've... It might've been, might've been an old bird bones back in the day, but now it's, you know, more sophisticated.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:43:56.9-01:44:07.6 opinion first hand
640
In an initial screening test of about 600 people to identify the top one per cent of remote viewers, synesthesia emerged as an unexpected factor, and the selected viewers all turned out to be synesthetes.
“synesthesia as well seems to be. a factor that was unexpected in measuring what a good remote viewer is when they when they did that initial 600 person... sort of test to get that one percent uh down that one percent yeah and and it turned out they were all synesthetes”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:45:53.0-01:46:08.0 testimony
641
The conversation between Julia Mossbridge and Chris Ramsay was recorded in July.
“Like right now, we're in July”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:46:24.8-01:46:25.9 administrative first hand
642
A person does not have to be overtly neurodivergent to have synesthesia, unlike more obvious presentations such as autism.
“But like synesthesia is more subtle because it seems to really pop up. You don't have to be overtly neurodivergent to to have synesthesia.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:48:41.2-01:48:50.2 opinion first hand
643
Chris Ramsay considers people with synesthesia to be particularly in tune with remote viewing.
“And yet those people seem to be really in tune with this remote viewing stuff.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:48:50.8-01:48:56.4 opinion first hand
644
Chris Ramsay considers sudden savant syndrome and the abilities of non-speaking children to result from a glitch in the physical brain that allows more information to leak through.
“There's like a glitch in the in the physical brain that allows, you know, more information to leak through.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:50:29.2-01:50:34.4 opinion first hand
645
Chris Ramsay considers there to be two opposing ways of interacting with the informational substrate: loving intention and calming of the mind on one side, and inducing similar effects through trauma on the other.
“There seems to be two opposing ends of this, of a way to interact with the substrate. And on one end, the end that you speak of, which is this loving intention, this calming of the mind... But then on the other side, there seems to be like this opposite way of inducing similar effects through trauma”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 01:54:35.6-01:55:01.8 opinion first hand
646
Chris Ramsay considers that psychic access arising from trauma comes not from the trauma itself but from the dissociation the trauma creates, a reading Julia Mossbridge agreed with.
“Chris Ramsay: this is happening not due to the trauma but due to the traumas creating dissociation from the trauma. Julia Mossbridge: yes this is this is... right exactly”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:01:37.9-02:01:46.8 opinion first hand
647
Chris Ramsay attended Contact in the Desert and was interviewed there by Michael Phillip, who asked him where he had landed with the subject matter.
“when I went to Contact of the Desert, I had this happen to me as well, where even my buddy, Michael Phillip, he asked me towards the end, we had a little interview thing”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:02:14.0-02:02:20.7 testimony first hand
648
Chris Ramsay told Michael Phillip at Contact in the Desert that he did not know where he stood on the subject matter, but expected to feel mentally stronger two or three days later once recovered.
“i told michael and this is the same feeling I'm having right now, I said, I don't know where I stand with any of this, but I look forward to two, three days from now”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:03:14.5-02:03:26.6 testimony first hand
649
Chris Ramsay has had no contact experiences with non-human intelligence other than seeing some things in the sky and hearing a female voice during an out-of-body experience.
“Julia Mossbridge: Do you have any contact experiences? Chris Ramsay: No. No other than, you know, seeing some things in the sky. ... And then that one time throughout the out-of-body experience hearing a female voice.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:04:35.6-02:04:52.1 testimony first hand
650
The female voice Chris Ramsay heard during his out-of-body experience was indistinct, unfamiliar to him, and felt stern; it was not a physical person present in the house.
“it was an indistinct voice. I've never heard it, but it was stern. It felt very stern.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:04:59.8-02:05:03.9 observation first hand
651
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay could not push his hand through the window as taught at the Monroe Institute, so he moved to open the window instead.
“so I was trying to go through the window and I couldn't get my hand through the window. Like they taught me in Monroe. ... And then I went to go open the window in the out of body state.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:05:08.5-02:05:19.0 observation first hand
652
As Chris Ramsay was halfway out of the window during his out-of-body experience, he heard a female voice close to him say "what are you doing?", causing him to freeze and tense up.
“as I was leaping out halfway through, I hear right here, this female voice go, what are you doing? ... I shuddered like I my I froze. I remember tensing up like this”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:05:20.0-02:05:31.3 observation first hand
653
Chris Ramsay was frightened during his out-of-body experience and avoided looking towards the source of the voice, feeling instantly that he was somewhere he did not belong, a feeling that began before the voice spoke.
“I didn't want to look where that was coming from because it scared me. You feel like you're in a place where you don't belong. Instantly, you feel like I'm not supposed to be here. ... Julia Mossbridge: But you didn't before that voice. Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I did.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:05:34.5-02:05:46.5 testimony first hand
654
In Chris Ramsay's out-of-body experiences, which others have also described to him, he is free-floating and unbound inside his own physical body, which drives the urge to leave it.
“Now I'm like free floating inside my physical body... I'm like unbound to my body and you feel that... And so that's what makes you want to just get out.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:06:14.5-02:06:19.4 testimony first hand
655
During an out-of-body experience, Chris Ramsay heard a continuous ominous tone throughout the episode.
“But as soon as you're out, you realize because there is this tone, at least for me, like a like the entire time. And it's very ominous, like almost dreadful”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:06:29.4-02:06:37.6 testimony first hand
656
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay perceived the room he was in as not being his own room but a projection of his memory of it.
“this is a projection of my memory of my room, but you're not in your room. This is, this is a different place that you're not supposed to be here.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:06:45.6-02:06:55.4 testimony first hand
657
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay felt certain he was not alone in the place he found himself.
“And you know that instantly, instantly I know that I am not alone in this world.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:07:04.6-02:07:08.5 testimony first hand
658
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay heard a voice say "What are you doing? Back in bed", after which the experience immediately ended.
“And then as I go, I hear this voice. What are you doing? Back in bed. ... And yeah, instantly out.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:07:21.8-02:07:26.2 testimony first hand
659
Chris Ramsay's out-of-body experience occurred during a waking state with no interval of sleep.
“During a waking state, there was wasn't one millisecond where I fell asleep.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:07:32.1-02:07:35.5 testimony first hand
660
Chris Ramsay put his headphones down at 06:30 and his out-of-body experience had ended by about 06:32, with every second accounted for.
“And I, I looked at the time when I put my headphones down at 6:30. It was 6:30, uh, 6:30. And it was like 6:32. Like every second was accounted for.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:07:36.4-02:07:45.7 measurement first hand
661
Chris Ramsay felt safe on returning to his body after his out-of-body experience and did not sense anything else present.
“Julia Mossbridge: When you came back in your body, do you feel like anything else was there? Chris Ramsay: No. Julia Mossbridge: Did you feel safe back in your body? Chris Ramsay: Yeah.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:07:47.7-02:07:54.3 testimony first hand
662
Chris Ramsay doubts that what is called an out-of-body experience actually involves leaving the body, considering the label a convenience because the experience feels that way.
“I feel like when you have an out-of-body experience, we call it an out-of-body experience. I don't know that that's what's happening.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:08:02.4-02:08:11.5 opinion first hand
663
Robert Monroe described the environment encountered in an out-of-body experience as not being one's actual room.
“But as even Robert Monroe talks about and as I've experienced, it's not your room.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:08:19.0-02:08:23.4 hearsay second hand
664
Chris Ramsay estimates the room perceived during an out-of-body experience matches the real room roughly 80 per cent, being a memory of the room rather than the room itself.
“It's like an 80%. It's your memory of your room.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:08:24.2-02:08:26.4 opinion first hand
665
Chris Ramsay raises bilocation - being in and out of the body at the same time - as an alternative explanation for out-of-body experiences.
“or bi-locating ... you know who who says i can't be in and out of my body at the same time”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:08:40.0-02:08:44.9 opinion first hand
666
Chris Ramsay has no fear of another entity taking over his body during an out-of-body experience, because he does not fully believe he leaves his body.
“that's why I don't have a fear of like somebody else taking over my body because I don't fully think I'm even out of my body.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:10:18.3-02:10:23.4 opinion first hand
667
Chris Ramsay regards the out-of-body state as a non-physical reality, and suggests part of his consciousness may project that reality while another part remains in his body.
“But I do feel like this is a non-physical reality that I'm currently experiencing. ... perhaps part of my consciousness is projecting ... and the other part of the consciousness is well intact in my body”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:10:24.8-02:10:32.5 opinion first hand
668
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay did not recognise his own body when he looked at it, initially perceiving it as a stranger before realising it was himself.
“you you don't recognize yourself because well i at least i don't because like when have you ever seen yourself with your eyes closed ... is that a stranger? Like, and then you get the realization that it's you”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:10:51.0-02:11:00.4 testimony first hand
669
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay's body did not appear dead, and appeared slightly fuzzy rather than fully detailed.
“Julia Mossbridge: So the body doesn't look dead or? Chris Ramsay: no no it and it's um it's not entirely in detail like it's a little fuzzy too”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:11:11.0-02:11:18.8 testimony first hand
670
Chris Ramsay heard that the visual clarity of out-of-body experiences increases with repeated practice, and describes his own first few experiences as low resolution.
“i think what i heard was the more you go out of body the clearer it gets like you upgrade to like the hd version of it like if you've done it enough so i had the very low res version for my first few experiences”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:11:21.7-02:11:32.7 hearsay
671
The voice Chris Ramsay heard during his out-of-body experience sounded like a human woman, stern, and did not sound like his mother or anyone he recognised.
“No, it didn't sound like my mother. ... Julia Mossbridge: Was it human? Chris Ramsay: Yeah. Well, it sounded like a human woman. ... But like stern is the only way I can put it.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:11:39.0-02:11:48.9 testimony first hand
672
During his out-of-body experience Chris Ramsay saw a rosary beside the window, an object he does not own, which contributed to his sense that the room was not his own.
“when I went to the window, beside the window, there was a rosary. I don't have a rosary in my house. ... that was one of the things where I was like, oh, this is not my room.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:12:07.2-02:12:17.0 testimony first hand
673
Julia Mossbridge raises the possibility that the unfamiliar room Chris Ramsay perceived during his out-of-body experience resulted from a journey through space-time.
“Or it could have been some weird space-time journey.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:12:18.7-02:12:20.6 opinion first hand
674
Chris Ramsay deliberately uses an app that sends him an unusual new word every hour as a source of synchronicity in his life.
“I have certain synchronicity engines in my life that I purposely, uh, insert ... it's just an app, and it's an app that sends me a new word every hour that I want to learn.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:16:37.4-02:16:49.5 testimony first hand
675
The word Chris Ramsay's hourly word app had most recently sent him during the recording was "bombastic", defined as excessively confident and pompous.
“Bombastic. excessively confident and pompous.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:17:04.7-02:17:08.2 observation first hand
676
Chris Ramsay tends to alter his course to favour a synchronicity when one appears, finding that following it up favours his decision-making, though he treats it as not absolute.
“when something whimsical like a synchronicity pops up i tend to alter my course to favor the synchronicity ... i say that it's not an absolute”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:17:50.4-02:17:59.3 testimony first hand
677
Chris Ramsay keeps a wall of books and, while filming B-roll for episodes, has come across the particular word he was looking for.
“That's why I have that book wall that you saw there. ... So when filming B-roll for an episode or whatever, we've been playing around with just filming, and you'll come across the word you were looking for.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:18:41.2-02:18:54.6 testimony first hand
678
At the Monroe Institute, Chris Ramsay heard a talk about meditating on past trauma, going back to a traumatic event or one with an unwanted outcome, making the other decision and living out the different outcome, from which participants would feel better.
“when i was at Monroe there was a brief uh talk because they they'd also mentioned something uh along the lines of you know, meditating on your past trauma, going back, healing yourself. One thing they would do is have you go back to this, like, whether it's traumatic or whether it was just an event you would rather have a different outcome to and live the different outcome.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:29:36.1-02:29:58.9 testimony first hand
679
An anonymous audience question submitter asked Julia Mossbridge why America, China and Russia all ended their public psi research in the 1990s.
“America, China, and Russia all ended their public side research in the 90s. Why do you think that is?”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:32:02.0-02:32:07.2 administrative second hand
680
An anonymous audience question submitter asked what love actually changes in precognitive remote viewing.
“What does love actually change in precognitive remote viewing?”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:37:08.3-02:37:11.4 administrative second hand
681
Chris Ramsay equates the oneness measured in quantum physics, observed by physicists looking at the quantum vacuum or zero-point field, with the feeling of oneness experienced through unconditional love.
“I'm just now realizing that that's the, uh, it's the oneness that you measure in quantum physics, but it's also that oneness you feel unconditionally through this, like love. ... that's also what scientists, uh, you know, and physicists observe when they're looking at the quantum vacuum or, you know, the zero point, like, it's like, oh, this is all one.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:40:00.0-02:40:25.9 opinion first hand
682
Chris Ramsay expects Edwin May would say physical contrast produces the strongest remote viewing signal, on the basis that a target with high entropy yields a more accurate reading.
“Ed May would say contrast, right? That would be like as soon as something has entropy or high entropy would yield like a more accurate reading of a target.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:41:26.9-02:41:40.4 opinion second hand
683
Chris Ramsay considers human brains hardwired to recognise change, citing the Ganzfeld effect and the way a persistent smell in a room stops being noticed.
“But only because like our brains are hardwired to recognize, uh, change. Right. So like, you know, like the Ganzfeld effect, if like, if I hear or see light or, or hear a certain sound after a while, I'm just not gonna hear it.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:45:06.6-02:45:19.5 opinion first hand
684
Julia Mossbridge had recently returned from an event of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU) before the recording of this episode.
“you just came back from SCU as well”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:46:43.2-02:46:44.4 administrative first hand
685
Chris Ramsay identifies Wilbert Smith as having been, to his recollection, Canada's Minister of Transport.
“He was the, I think the Minister of Transport, if I'm not mistaken, Canada here.”
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The Wilbert Smith 1950 memorandum on flying saucers is a declassified document written by Wilbert Smith after a trip to the United States, in which he recorded meeting officials who were taking flying saucers very seriously.
“in 1950, there is a, um, a declassified document after he came back from a trip to the United States. where he said that he met with officials and they're taking the flying saucer things very seriously over there.”
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The Wilbert Smith 1950 memorandum on flying saucers records that Vannevar Bush had put together a team to look into flying saucers.
“he even says, Vannevar Bush put together a team to look into this stuff”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:48:49.4-02:48:54.6 administrative second hand
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The Wilbert Smith 1950 memorandum on flying saucers is an official, uncontested document written by Wilbert Smith.
“And then, and this is a, this is an official document. It's not contested. This is a document that was, you know, written by him.”
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The Wilbert Smith 1950 memorandum on flying saucers contains a list of about three points, the first of which is that flying saucers are real.
“And then it says, he's got this list of like three things or whatever. And he goes, number one, flying saucers are real. Period.”
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The third point in the Wilbert Smith 1950 memorandum on flying saucers is that the phenomenon is mental.
“And number three, he goes, and the phenomenon is mental.”
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Chris Ramsay places the start of Project MKUltra shortly after the 1950 Wilbert Smith memorandum on flying saucers, and says a lot of the MKUltra studies were carried out at McGill University.
“And then right after that is where we start getting into MKUltra. We start getting into, and it happened right here at, at, you know, McGill. ... And at McGill is where they did a lot of those studies.”
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Chris Ramsay sees a contradiction between public dismissal of psi and continued work on it at Science Applications International Corporation and similar places.
“you see this dichotomy of them trying to like, no, you know, it's stay, this mind stuff is nothing. Don't worry about that. Meanwhile, you know, they're doing all the work at SAIC and all these other places”
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Chris Ramsay expects artificial intelligence to inevitably make everything public and end secrecy.
“but then they're actively working on AI which will inevitably make everything public anyways well yeah there will be no secrecy”
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Chris Ramsay considers the branching-timeline device lazy as science fiction, citing Avengers: Endgame as an example.
“Also, someone who's in science fiction, it's lazy. ... It's Avengers Endgame.”
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Chris Ramsay suggests that an event that appears terrible may have a reason not apparent within a human timescale, over a span of a million years.
“Yeah, but then stretch that out a million years and there might be a reason there that you're not aware of.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 02:56:38.0-02:56:44.9 opinion first hand
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Asked how his upcoming tour would affect his channel's trajectory over the next year, Chris Ramsay received from the Time Machine oracle the text: 'You notice the hope and fear wave over her face exactly like it does yours. In the future, your trash will come up as a flower. Back to my concern about this chapter title.'
“You notice the hope and fear wave over her face exactly like it does yours. In the future, your trash will come up as a flower. Back to my concern about this chapter title.”
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Chris Ramsay reads the Time Machine oracle's output as looping back on itself, with the final line returning to the question that was asked.
“It is a loop. It's a loop.”
Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 2026-08-14 03:00:16.8-03:00:17.8 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers a bad outcome always to make a better story than a good one, giving as an example that an audience would rather hear he was pickpocketed in Paris than that he had a good time there.
“because if I tell you I had a great time in Paris, no one wants to hear that. ... But if I tell you I got pickpocketed, they're gonna go, what happened? Right. So it's the worst outcome is always a better story.”
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Chris Ramsay considered the Time Machine oracle's response to be an answer to his question about his upcoming tour.
“How do you feel? And I think I got my answer.”
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Julia Mossbridge is scheduled to speak at Psi Games.
“But you'll be at Psi Games as well. You'll be talking there.”
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The Time Machine oracle asks the user to ask a question or offer an intention and to choose a short, medium or long answer.
“Ask your question or offer an intention. ... And do I prefer the answer is short? Medium or long?”
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Chris Ramsay was actively trying to induce out-of-body experiences in order to find out whether the phenomenon was real, having had one happen to him.
“I was trying to actively have it... I just want to know if this was a thing, you know, because I had it happen to me.”
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At Contact in the Desert, Chris Ramsay had a rapid succession of existential conversations with strangers in hallways and felt mentally overloaded by the end.
“you're having these existential conversations with complete strangers in the most liminal transient like hallways... by the end of it i i literally felt like my my hard drive was like it's so so full”
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Chris Ramsay treats a cessation of synchronicities as a subtle signal to change course, adjusting slightly rather than making major life decisions on that basis.
“if I stop seeing synchronization, it's a subtle signal for me to maybe change course as well. ... I won't make, you know, great life decisions based on these things, but subtly I will perhaps, you know, steer the course a little bit until it picks up again.”
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