Brief
David Charles Grusch
The claims the writer was given for David Charles Grusch, in the order they were given.
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David Grusch testified under oath in the summer of 2023 and provided historic disclosure.
“After David Grusch testified under oath in the summer of 2023 and provided historic disclosure”
Whistleblower Statement for the House of Representatives Task Force char:3919-4003 administrative second hand
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After David Grusch's 2023 testimony, Dylan Borland was asked to go to the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG), and he did so in August 2023.
“I was then asked to go to the ICIG, and I did so in August 2023.”
Whistleblower Statement for the House of Representatives Task Force char:4015-4074 testimony first hand
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Karl E. Nell considers David Charles Grusch's assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin to be fundamentally correct, and considers it an indisputable realisation that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence.
““His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence,” said Karl Nell, the retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:10097-10508 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
“is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:1052-1158 administrative
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David Charles Grusch is represented by Charles McCullough III, senior partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington, D.C.
“Grusch is represented by Charles McCullough III, senior partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:10720-10819 administrative
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In May 2022, Charles McCullough III filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concern(s); Complaint of Reprisal on behalf of David Charles Grusch with the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community about detailed information Grusch had gathered beginning in 2019 while working for the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.
“In May 2022, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concern(s); Complaint of Reprisal on behalf of Grusch with the ICIG about detailed information that Grusch had gathered beginning in 2019 while working for the UAP Task Force.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:11134-11356 administrative
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The unclassified complaint of David Charles Grusch states that he has direct knowledge that Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)-related classified information has been withheld and/or concealed from the United States Congress by "elements" of the intelligence community "to purposely and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP Program."
“An unclassified version of the complaint provided to us states that Grusch has direct knowledge that UAP-related classified information has been withheld and/or concealed from Congress by “elements” of the intelligence community “to purposely and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP Program.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:11364-11678 testimony second hand
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David Charles Grusch served as the National Reconnaissance Office's representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019 to 2021.
“He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:1164-1278 administrative
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All testimony David Charles Grusch provided for his classified complaint was provided under oath.
“All testimony Grusch provided for the classified complaint was provided under oath.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:11688-11766 administrative second hand
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According to the unclassified complaint of David Charles Grusch, in July 2021 he confidentially provided classified information to the Office of Inspector General, Department of Defense, concerning the withholding of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)-related information from the United States Congress.
“According to the unclassified complaint, in July 2021, Grusch had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General concerning the withholding of UAP-related information from Congress.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:11773-11992 testimony second hand
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David Charles Grusch believed that his identity, and the fact that he had provided testimony, were disclosed to individuals and/or entities within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community outside the Office of Inspector General, Department of Defense.
“He believed that his identity, and the fact that he had provided testimony, were disclosed “to individuals and/or entities” within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community outside the IG’s office.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12002-12207 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch did not allege that his identity or testimony was improperly disclosed by any member of the Office of Inspector General, Department of Defense.
“He did not allege that this information was improperly disclosed by any member of that office.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12215-12302 administrative first hand
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David Charles Grusch suffered months of retaliation and reprisals related to his disclosures beginning in 2021.
“As a result, Grusch suffered months of retaliation and reprisals related to these disclosures beginning in 2021.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12311-12418 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch asked that details of the reprisals he suffered be withheld to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation.
“He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12424-12517 administrative first hand
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The Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community found David Charles Grusch's complaint "credible and urgent" in July 2022.
“The Intelligence Community Inspector General found his complaint “credible and urgent” in July 2022.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12533-12628 administrative second hand
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According to David Charles Grusch, a summary of his complaint was immediately submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
“According to Grusch, a summary was immediately submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines; the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12634-12836 testimony first hand
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From late 2021 to July 2022, David Charles Grusch was the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's co-lead for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) analysis and its representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.
“From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:1284-1390 administrative
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David Charles Grusch's complaint was drafted and signed by Charles McCullough III and his managing partner.
“The complaint was drafted and signed by McCullough and his managing partner.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12851-12919 administrative
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David Charles Grusch's complaint ended with his signature attached to the statement: "I do solemnly affirm under the penalties of perjury that the contents of the foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of my knowledge."
“It ended with Grusch’s signature attached to his statement that “I do solemnly affirm under the penalties of perjury that the contents of the foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:12928-13125 testimony second hand
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A whistleblower reprisal investigation into David Charles Grusch's case was launched, and Grusch began communication with the staff of the Congressional intelligence committees in private closed-door sessions.
“A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Grusch began his communication with the staff of the Congressional intelligence committees in private closed-door sessions.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:13138-13309 administrative
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According to David Charles Grusch, certain information he obtained in his investigation could not be put before Congressional staffers because they did not have the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.
“According to Grusch, certain information which he obtained in his investigation could not be put before Congressional staffers because they did not have the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:13319-13530 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch said: "When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional SAP/CAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation-related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities, you have a problem," referencing the Special Access Programs (SAP) and Controlled Access Programs (CAP).
““When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional SAP/CAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation-related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities, you have a problem,” Grusch said, referencing the highly secret Special Access Programs and Controlled Access Programs.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:13757-14101 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch says the recovery of partial fragments through to intact vehicles has been made for decades through to the present day by the government, its allies, and defence contractors.
“Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:2007-2109 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch considers it dangerous for what he calls an "eighty-year arms race" to continue in secrecy, because he believes it further inhibits the world populace from being prepared for an unexpected non-human intelligence contact scenario.
“Grusch said it was dangerous for this "eighty-year arms race" to continue in secrecy because it "further inhibits the world populace to be prepared for an unexpected, non-human intelligence contact scenario."”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:20834-21032 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch hopes his revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically and provides a generally uniting issue for nations of the world to re-assess their priorities.
“"I hope this revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically and provides a generally uniting issue for nations of the world to re-assess their priorities," Grusch said.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:21045-21217 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch says analysis determined that the recovered objects are of exotic origin, meaning non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies, material science testing, and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures.
“Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:2334-2621 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch, a former intelligence official turned whistleblower, gave the United States Congress and the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG) extensive classified information about deeply covert programmes that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.
“A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:258-518 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch said: "We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities. The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles."
““We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:2765-2953 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch provided the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.
“In accordance with protocols, Grusch provided the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to us.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:2965-3145 administrative
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David Charles Grusch's on-the-record statements were cleared for open publication on 2023-04-04 and 2023-04-06 in documents provided to Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.
“His on-the-record statements were all “cleared for open publication” on April 4 and 6, 2023, in documents provided to us.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:3149-3267 administrative second hand
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Karl E. Nell is a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the United States Army's liaison for the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with David Charles Grusch there.
“Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:3860-4029 administrative
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Karl E. Nell considers David Charles Grusch to be "beyond reproach."
“characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:4036-4068 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch says the information he provided about covert non-human craft recovery programmes has been illegally withheld from the United States Congress.
“The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:527-586 opinion first hand
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At the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, David Charles Grusch served as a Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer, cleared at the Top Secret/Secret Compartmented Information level.
“At the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Grusch served as a Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer, cleared at the Top Secret/Secret Compartmented Information level”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:5652-5832 administrative
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David Charles Grusch was the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's Senior Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis and Trans-Medium Issues.
“was the agency’s Senior Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis/Trans-Medium Issues.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:5843-5941 administrative
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From 2016 to 2021, David Charles Grusch served with the National Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence Officer and led the production of the NRO director's daily briefing.
“From 2016 to 2021, he served with the National Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence Officer and led the production of the NRO director’s daily briefing.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:5949-6100 administrative
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David Charles Grusch filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures.
“he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:600-729 administrative first hand
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David Charles Grusch was a GS-15 civilian, the military equivalent of a Colonel.
“Grusch was a GS-15 civilian, the military equivalent of a Colonel.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:6110-6168 administrative
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David Charles Grusch has served as an Intelligence Officer for over fourteen years.
“Grusch has served as an Intelligence Officer for over fourteen years.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:6178-6241 administrative
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David Charles Grusch is a veteran of the United States Air Force with numerous awards and decorations for his participation in covert and clandestine operations to advance American security.
“A veteran of the Air Force, he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in covert and clandestine operations to advance American security.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:6248-6394 administrative
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According to the 2021 NRO Performance Report on David Charles Grusch, he was an intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who "analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena reports" and "boosted congressional leadership Intel gaps [in] understanding."
“According to a 2021 NRO Performance Report, Grusch was an intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who “analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena reports” and “boosted congressional leadership Intel gaps \[in] understanding.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:6561-6782 administrative second hand
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The National Reconnaissance Office's Operations Center Deputy Director assessed David Charles Grusch as an "adept staff officer and strategist" and "total force integrator with innovative solutions and actionable results."
“He was assessed by the reconnaissance office’s Operations Center Deputy Director as an “adept staff officer and strategist” and “total force integrator with innovative solutions and actionable results.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:6798-6991 administrative second hand
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David Charles Grusch prepared many briefs on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) for the United States Congress while in government.
“Grusch prepared many briefs on unidentified aerial phenomena for Congress while in government”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:7002-7085 administrative
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David Charles Grusch helped draft the language on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) for the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023 (FY2023 NDAA).
“and helped draft the language on UAP for the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:7096-7180 administrative
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Other active and retired intelligence officials with knowledge of covert non-human craft recovery programmes through their work in various agencies independently provided similar, corroborating information about David Charles Grusch's account, both on and off the record.
“Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:736-948 testimony
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In statements cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April 2023, David Charles Grusch asserted that unidentified flying object (UFO) "legacy programs" have long been concealed within multiple agencies nesting Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) activities in conventional secret access programmes without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.
“In his statements cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April, Grusch asserted that UFO “legacy programs” have long been concealed within “multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:7578-7853 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch reported to the United States Congress the existence of a decades-long publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material, a competition with near-peer adversaries to identify Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) crashes and landings and retrieve the material for exploitation and reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defence advantages.
“He said he reported to Congress on the existence of a decades-long “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.””
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:7868-8200 testimony first hand
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Beginning in 2022, David Charles Grusch provided the United States Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages, which included specific data about the materials recovery programme.
“Beginning in 2022, Grusch provided Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages which included specific data about the materials recovery program.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8214-8397 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch's investigation was centred on extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials, some of whom are directly involved with the non-human craft recovery programme.
“Grusch’s investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials, some of whom are directly involved with the program.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8514-8658 administrative
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David Charles Grusch says the non-human craft recovery operation was illegally shielded from proper Congressional oversight.
“He says the operation was illegally shielded from proper Congressional oversight”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8667-8738 opinion first hand
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David Charles Grusch says he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation into the non-human craft recovery programme.
“and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8748-8801 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch said that craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity.
“Grusch said that the craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8817-8897 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch says he knows the specific individuals, current and former, who are involved in the ongoing craft recovery operations.
“and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former, who are involved.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8906-8978 testimony first hand
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David Charles Grusch said: "Individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia."
““Individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,” he stated.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:8990-9311 testimony first hand
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Associates who vouched for David Charles Grusch, claiming knowledge of his non-human craft recovery investigation, said his information was highly sensitive and provided evidence that materials from objects of non-human origin are in the possession of highly secret black programmes.
“Associates who vouched for Grusch said his information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects of non-human origin are in the possession of highly secret black programs.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:9320-9509 hearsay second hand
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Although locations, program names, and other specific data related to David Charles Grusch's complaint remain classified, the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and intelligence committee staff were provided with these details.
“Although locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified, the Inspector General and intelligence committee staff were provided with these details.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:9519-9677 administrative
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Several current members of the non-human craft recovery programme spoke to the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and corroborated the information David Charles Grusch had provided for his classified complaint.
“Several current members of the recovery program spoke to the Inspector General’s office and corroborated the information Grusch had provided for the classified complaint.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:9686-9846 testimony
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David Charles Grusch is 36 years old and a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan.
“David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:976-1039 administrative
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David Charles Grusch left the government on 2023-04-07 in order, he said, to advance government accountability through public awareness.
“Grusch left the government on April 7, 2023, in order, he said, to advance government accountability through public awareness.”
Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin 2023-06-05 char:9858-9974 testimony first hand
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In the Compass Rose press release (2023-06-09), Compass Rose Legal Group clarified that it "took no position and takes no position" on the substance of the information David Grusch provided to the Intelligence Community Inspector General.
“the firm that formerly represented the whistleblower clarified that it “took no position and takes no position” on the substance of the explosive information provided to the intelligence community inspector general, which the whistleblower “has now publicly characterized.””
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:1252-1510 administrative second hand
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Current and former officials vouched for David Grusch and corroborated the broad outlines of his allegations.
“current and former officials vouched for the whistleblower, David Grusch, while also corroborating the broad outlines of his allegations”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:1540-1665 testimony second hand
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David Grusch spoke to United States Congress for hours, generating hundreds of pages of transcripts.
“Grusch spoke to Congress for hours, generating hundreds of pages of transcripts.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:1688-1756 administrative
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Marik von Rennenkampff considers that David Grusch and other individuals who spoke to investigators appear to have little incentive to lie, given the legal risk of making false statements to the Intelligence Community Inspector General.
“For their part, Grusch and other knowledgeable individuals who have spoken to investigators seem to have little incentive to lie.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:2026-2151 opinion first hand
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David Grusch has not provided proof of his allegations regarding UFO-related information being withheld from United States Congress.
“Grusch has not provided proof of his allegations.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:2608-2645 opinion first hand
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Marik von Rennenkampff considers it implausible that monumental revelations of the kind alleged by David Grusch could remain secret for any appreciable amount of time.
“the notion that such monumental revelations could remain secret for any appreciable amount of time strains credulity”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:2669-2776 opinion first hand
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In a statement to NewsNation, the United States Department of Defense denied that the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office had uncovered the sort of activity alleged by David Grusch.
“In a statement to NewsNation, the Department of Defense denied that the Pentagon’s new UFO office has uncovered the sort of activity alleged by Grusch.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:2788-3001 administrative second hand
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David Grusch has stated that the evidence supporting his allegations is highly classified.
“According to Grusch, the evidence supporting his allegations is highly classified, a reasonable claim.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:3071-3167 testimony first hand
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David Grusch provided classified evidence alleging that UFO information was improperly withheld to United States Congress and two inspectors general.
“the classified evidence [that] Grusch provided to Congress and two inspectors general [alleging that UFO information was improperly withheld]”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:3250-3384 administrative
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David Grusch is making use of the well-established, legally protected whistleblower process rather than conducting an unauthorised leak of classified information.
“from what is known publicly, Grusch is making use of the well-established, legally protected whistleblower process. By honoring his commitment not to divulge classified information improperly, Grusch appears to be proceeding “by the book.””
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:3812-4045 opinion first hand
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Individuals with knowledge of the alleged UFO retrieval and reverse engineering program reportedly corroborated David Grusch's evidence.
“reportedly corroborated by individuals involved in the alleged program”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:4507-4570 hearsay second hand
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The United States Department of Defense released a statement in the week before 2023-06-09 in response to David Grusch's allegations.
“Earlier this week, the Department of Defense released a statement in response to Grusch’s stunning allegations.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:5660-5717 administrative
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David Grusch has stated that staff of previous UFO analysis programs were not "read in" to information regarding the kind of activities he and others allege exist.
“Grusch claims that staff of previous UFO analysis programs were not “read in” — that is, given access — to information regarding the kind of activities that he and others allege exist.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:6217-6492 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's statements about the retrieval of "exotic" craft of "non-human" origin were reportedly approved by the Pentagon Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR).
“Grusch’s striking statements about the retrieval of “exotic” craft of “non-human” origin were reportedly approved by the Pentagon’s pre-publication review office”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:6718-6874 administrative
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Some critics have questioned how, if the alleged UFO Retrieval and Reverse Engineering Program information is highly classified, the Pentagon cleared David Grusch to make his explosive statements.
“Some critics have questioned how, if such information is so highly classified, the Pentagon cleared Grusch to make these explosive statements.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:7100-7231 opinion second hand
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David Grusch is a former high-level intelligence official.
“the whistleblower – a former high-level intelligence official –”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:759-812 administrative
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David Grusch was until recently represented by a lawyer who previously served as the intelligence community's first inspector general, a Senate-confirmed position.
“was represented until recently by a lawyer who served previously as the intelligence community’s first inspector general, a Senate-confirmed position”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:823-964 administrative
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The managing partner of Compass Rose Legal Group, the law firm that formerly represented David Grusch, reportedly co-signed the complaint submitted to the Intelligence Community Inspector General.
“The managing partner of the law firm representing the whistleblower reportedly co-signed the complaint submitted to the current intelligence community inspector general.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 char:974-1135 administrative
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In the Michael Shellenberger Substack article on David Grusch allegations, numerous current and former officials confirmed the outlines of David Grusch's allegations.
“As Shellenberger writes, numerous current and former officials confirmed the outlines of Grusch’s explosive allegations.”
Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ 2023-06-09 para 26 testimony second hand
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David Fravor said pilots know where classified information about UAP is located but will not divulge it due to classification levels.
“I would say and I have told people that you have to know where to look. They are not going to divulge it to you because of the classification levels. But if you know where to look and who to talk to, which is exactly where Mr. Grusch can point you then you have them.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:100696-100958 opinion first hand
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Ryan Graves said he relied on David Grusch and others to research where UAP-related information is kept, since Graves was an operator.
“I was an operator, so I was depending on folks like Mr. Grusch to do that homework.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:101013-101087 testimony first hand
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David Grusch, Ryan Graves, and David Fravor each agreed with John Kirby's statement that UAP are having an impact on U.S. training ranges.
“Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Commander FRAVOR. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:101861-101915 opinion
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David Grusch said his knowledge of the Phoenix Lights case is limited to what is publicly known, as it fell outside the scope of his official duties.
“Only what is in the public vernacular about it. That was outside the scope of my duties.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:102395-102476 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said the training range reports he received often included only contextual, oral reporting rather than attached sensor data.
“As a recipient of a lot of those training range reports sometimes we only get contextual, kind of oral reporting. It would be nice if they attached all sensor data and there is a system in place that can handle multiple classifications of data”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:103823-104062 testimony first hand
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The F-35 was never built to be an intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) platform, which makes it difficult to extract sensor data from the aircraft.
“That jet was never built to be an ISR platform, and it is a pain in the butt to get that data off.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:104111-104205 opinion first hand
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David Grusch helped author the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force's 2019 Security Classification Guide.
“Yes, I am familiar with the UAP Task Force 2019 Security Classification guide. I think it is fair. I did actually help author that with the Director.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:104962-105102 testimony first hand
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David Grusch considers there to be a lazy attitude toward declassifying UAP videos within the U.S. Government.
“I will call it a lazy attitude about declassifying videos.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:105181-105232 opinion first hand
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David Grusch said he saw no reason recent shoot-down video footage could not have been released to the public, provided some data was masked.
“I have seen some of the videos of, you know, the recent shoot down and I saw no reason that could not have been released as long as they mask, you know, some data.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:105248-105406 opinion first hand
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David Grusch knows of multiple colleagues who were physically injured by activity relating to UAP that he described in his reports.
“I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured and the activity——”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:107468-107542 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said the harmful activity he referred to came from both UAP and people within the Federal Government.
“By UAPs or by people within the Federal Government? Mr. GRUSCH. Both.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:107568-107633 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said that what he and his wife personally witnessed regarding UAP activity was very disturbing.
“So, what I personally witnessed, myself and my wife, was very disturbing.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:108006-108068 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said he has not personally witnessed alien bodies.
“Have you seen any of the bodies? Mr. GRUSCH. That is something I have not witnessed myself.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:108541-108626 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said he is familiar with a theoretical framework called the holographic principle, which derives from general relativity and quantum mechanics.
“the framework that I am familiar with, for example, is something called the holographic principle both—it derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:109733-109890 opinion first hand
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The holographic principle describes how a three-dimensional object can be conceptualised as casting a shadow onto a two-dimensional surface, and objects may be projected from higher-dimensional space to lower-dimensional space.
“that is if you want to imagine a 3D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2D surface that is the holographic principle. So, you can be projected—quasi projected from higher dimensional space to lower dimensional.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:109904-110115 opinion first hand
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David Grusch has no knowledge of any documentation confirming that interdimensional crossing occurs regarding UAP, describing it only as a theoretical framework discussion.
“But you have not seen any documentation that that is what is occurring? It is a theory? Mr. GRUSCH. Only theoretical framework discussion.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:110364-110492 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has no knowledge of evidence that recovered UAP craft are produced by domestic military contractors.
“Is there any evidence that that is what is being recovered? Mr. GRUSCH. Not to my knowledge.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:110670-110753 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said the UAP recoveries he is aware of predate many of the United States' advanced classified programs.
“Plus, the recoveries predate a lot of our advanced programs that I previously am waiving off.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:110764-110853 testimony first hand
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David Grusch is not aware of any historical instance where a crashed aircraft belonging to one Federal agency's program was later assumed to be alien in origin by a different Federal agency unaware of that program.
“I am not aware of any historical situation that would match that that you described.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:111216-111290 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said he personally never faced repercussions for reporting UAP experiences.
“I have actually never seen anything personally, believe it or not.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:117576-117638 testimony first hand
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David Grusch believes there is an active disinformation campaign within the U.S. Government to deny the existence of UAP.
“As previously stated publicly, yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:117855-117886 opinion first hand
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David Grusch said he tried to personally review every UAP report that came through during his leadership role at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA).
“I can only speak for my personal leadership over at NGA. I tried to look at every report that came through that I could triage.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:119843-119963 testimony first hand
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There are certain elected leaders who had more information about UAP than they shared with certain Gang of 8 members of Congress.
“There are certain elected leaders that had more information that—I am not sure what they have shared with certain Gang of 8 members or et cetera. But, certainly, I would not be surprised.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:120172-120349 opinion first hand
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David Grusch declined to say in a public setting whether the United States government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials.
“Mr. GRUSCH. It is something I cannot discuss in a public setting.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:120606-120663 testimony first hand
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Nonhuman biologics came with some of the recoveries of craft that David Grusch has described, according to people with direct knowledge of the program he spoke to who remain on the program.
“Mr. GRUSCH. As I have stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yes. ... Nonhuman, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:120852-121176 hearsay second hand
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David Grusch said he would provide a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of individuals to Congress after the hearing.
“Mr. GRUSCH. I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those. ... Mr. GRUSCH. I am happy to provide that to you after the hearing.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:122010-122222 testimony first hand
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Ryan Graves, David Grusch, and David Fravor all indicated there is some possibility that UAP are collecting reconnaissance information on United States military capabilities.
“is there any indication that these UAPs could be essentially collecting reconnaissance information? ... Mr. GRAVES. Yes. ... Mr. GRUSCH. Fair assessment. ... Commander FRAVOR. It is very possible.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:128469-128689 opinion
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Ryan Graves, David Grusch, and David Fravor all consider it possible that UAP are probing United States military capabilities.
“is it possible that these UAPs would be probing our capabilities, yes or no? ... Mr. GRAVES. Yes. ... Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. ... Commander FRAVOR. Definitely.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:128768-128913 opinion
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Ryan Graves, David Grusch, and David Fravor consider it possible that UAP are testing for vulnerabilities in current United States military systems.
“Is it possible that these UAPs are testing for vulnerabilities in our current systems? ... Mr. GRAVES. Yes. ... Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. ... Commander FRAVOR. Possible.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:128985-129127 opinion
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Ryan Graves, David Grusch, and David Fravor consider it potentially possible that UAP pose an existential threat to United States national security.
“that these UAPs provide an existential threat to the national security of the United States? ... Mr. GRAVES. Potentially. ... Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, sir, potentially. ... Commander FRAVOR. Same answer, potentially. I would say definitely potentially.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:129236-129472 opinion
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Ryan Graves and David Grusch stated they would have had no capability to defend themselves, their crew, or their aircraft had their UAP encounters become hostile.
“in the event that your encounters had become hostile would you have—would you have had the capability to defend yourself, your crew, your aircraft? ... Mr. GRAVES. Absolutely not. ... Mr. GRUSCH. No.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:129520-129727 opinion
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Ryan Graves, David Grusch, and David Fravor indicated there is some evidence that UAP are interested in United States nuclear technology and capabilities.
“is there any indication that these UAPs are interested in our nuclear technology and capabilities? ... Mr. GRAVES. Yes. ... Mr. GRUSCH. By external observation, sure, that could be a fair assessment. Yes. ... Commander FRAVOR. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:129800-130068 opinion
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David Grusch could not confirm or deny in a public setting whether the Department of Energy is involved in UAP data collection and housing, but said he could address it in a secure setting.
“Is there any indication the Department of Energy is involved in UAP data collection and housing? ... Mr. GRUSCH. I cannot confirm or deny that in a public setting. ... Could you do it in a secure setting? ... Mr. GRUSCH. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:130085-130338 testimony first hand
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Andy Ogles said he would personally volunteer to initiate the Holman Rule against any personnel, programme, or agency that denies Congress access to David Grusch in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF).
“I will personally volunteer to initiate the Holman Rule against any personnel or any program or any agency that denies access to Congress.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:130866-130995 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has personal knowledge of someone who was possibly injured working on legacy UAP reverse-engineering.
“Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who has possibly been injured working on legacy UAP reverse engineering? ... Mr. GRUSCH. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:131287-131419 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said that in assessing an unknown, there are potentialities one cannot fully prepare for, and declined to specify further how the person he knew of was injured working on UAP reverse-engineering.
“I cannot get into specifics, but you can imagine assessing an unknown unknown there is a lot of potentialities you cannot fully prepare for.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:131673-131809 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said his own PPD-19 whistleblower complaint faced process problems, because there is no smooth way for the intelligence community Inspector General to route such information to committees beyond the intelligence committees, despite his request to send it to the House and Senate Armed Services Committees due to Title 10 equities.
“There was some issue with mine. So, you know, PPD–19 process it goes to the intel committees either through PPD–19 or ICD 120. There is not a good way for the intelligence community Inspector General to provide that to other committees, and I asked my information to be sent to the House and Senate Armed Services Committee because there are Title 10 equities at play. But there was no smooth process to do so.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:131938-132346 testimony first hand
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David Grusch personally knows of individuals participating in reverse-engineering programmes for nonterrestrial craft.
“Are you aware of any individuals that are participating in reverse engineering programs for nonterrestrial craft? ... Mr. GRUSCH. Personally, yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:132383-132522 testimony first hand
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David Grusch said he knows individuals who would be willing to testify about reverse-engineering programmes for nonterrestrial craft if they had assurances that breaking their non-disclosure agreement would not result in administrative punishment, in a closed setting.
“Do you know any that would be willing to testify if there were protections for them? ... Mr. GRUSCH. Certainly, closed door and assurances that breaking their NDA they are not going to get administratively punished for so.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:132542-132808 testimony first hand
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David Grusch prefers to describe the UAP phenomenon as nonhuman intelligence rather than assuming an extraterrestrial origin, in order to keep an open mind on its specific origin.
“I think the phenomenon is a very complex and I like to leave an open mind analytically to specific origin.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:133568-133667 opinion first hand
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David Grusch considers the phenomenon's specific origin could be a traditional extraterrestrial origin or something else not fully understood from a biological or astrophysics perspective.
“If it is a traditional extraterrestrial origin or something else that we do not quite understand from an either biological or astrophysics perspective. I just like to keep an open mind on what it could be.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:133799-134001 opinion first hand
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Article Three of the Agreement on Measures to Reduce the Risk of Outbreak of Nuclear War (1971), a public treaty registered with the United Nations, references UAP.
“You are referring to actual—a public treaty in the U.N. register—it is funny you mentioned that—the agreement on measures to reduce the risk of outbreak of nuclear war signed in 1971. Unclassified treaty publicly available”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:134419-134632 testimony second hand
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The George Washington University National Security Archive declassified in 2013 specific provisions and red-line flash message traffic with codes pursuant to Article Three and situation two of the Agreement on Measures to Reduce the Risk of Outbreak of Nuclear War (1971), previously held in the classified NSA archive.
“if you cite the George Washington University National Security Archives you will find the declassified, in 2013, specific provisions and the specific red line flash message traffic with the specific codes pursuant to Article Three and Article—also situation two, which is in the previously classified NSA archive.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:134647-134952 testimony second hand
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David Grusch attempted to get access to specific incidents when Article Three message traffic related to UAP was used, but encountered a wall of silence at the White House.
“What I would recommend—and I tried to get access but I got a wall of silence at the White House—was those specific incidents when those—message traffic was used.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:134962-135118 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has concerns, based on interviews he conducted under his official duties, about potential violations of the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) related to a cover-up.
“I have concerns based on the interviews I conducted under my official duties of potential violations of the Federal Acquisition Regulations—the FAR.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:135503-135647 opinion first hand
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David Grusch bases what he can discuss publicly on a DoD Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) determination of what information is unclassified.
“Based on my DODSR security review and what they have determined that is unclassified.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:137077-137149 administrative first hand
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David Grusch is willing to answer classified questions in a closed session at the appropriate clearance level.
“In an open session. But happy to participate in a closed session at the right level.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:137384-137462 testimony first hand
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David Grusch swore an oath as a cadet 18 years before the 2023-07-26 hearing and still upholds that oath though he is no longer in uniform.
“My first swore an oath when I was a cadet 18 years ago and I still uphold that even out of uniform.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:140121-140212 testimony first hand
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David Grusch encourages current and former military personnel, intelligence community members, and industry contractors to come forward legally, through the intelligence community, the Department of Defense (DoD), or the relevant Inspectors General, to join him in the whistleblower discussion on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.
“I do encourage, you know, current and former military, intelligence community, and industry contractors to come forward in a legal way, either through the IC or DoD or whatever the cognizant IGs are to join me in this discussion.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:141834-142052 opinion first hand
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Members of Congress were denied access to a classified briefing in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) prior to the 2023-07-26 House hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, due to the requirements to grant David Grusch temporary clearance to witness.
“we were even denied access to a classified briefing in a SCIF prior to this hearing due to the amount of hoops that we had to jump through to grant temporary clearance to witness Grusch, who has knowledge of classified information.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:17387-17606 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has knowledge of classified information.
“due to the amount of hoops that we had to jump through to grant temporary clearance to witness Grusch, who has knowledge of classified information.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:17471-17606 administrative first hand
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David Grusch testified at the 2023-07-26 House hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, identified as a Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative to the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force at the Department of Defense.
“Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense, Oral Statement”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:3355-3496 administrative second hand
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David Grusch was an intelligence officer for 14 years, serving in the United States Air Force in active-duty and Air National Guard and Reserve capacities at the rank of Major, and most recently at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency at the GS-15 civilian level, the military equivalent of a full bird colonel.
“I was an intelligence officer for 14 years both in the U.S. Air Force, both active-duty Air National Guard and Reserve at the rank of Major and most recently from 2021 to 2025—excuse me, 2023—at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, NGA, at the GS–15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full bird colonel.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:36267-36589 administrative first hand
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David Grusch was his agency's co-lead in unidentified anomalous phenomena and trans-medium object analysis, reporting to the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force and eventually to the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
“I was my agency's co-lead in unidentified anomalous phenomena and trans medium object analysis as well as reporting to the UAP Task Force—UAPTF—and eventually, once it was established, the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office—AARO.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:36599-36825 administrative first hand
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David Grusch became a whistleblower through a PPD-19 urgent concern filing in May 2022 with the intelligence community inspector general.
“I became a whistleblower through a PPD–19 urgent concern filing in May 2022 with the intelligence community inspector general”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:36882-37000 administrative first hand
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David Grusch's PPD-19 filing followed reports from multiple credentialed current and former military and intelligence community individuals that the U.S. Government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight regarding UAP.
“following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former military and intelligence community individuals that the U.S. Government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:37008-37241 hearsay second hand
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David Grusch's testimony is based on information given to him by individuals with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service, some of whom shared photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony with him and his colleagues.
“My testimony is based on information I have been given by individuals with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country, many of whom also have shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony to myself and many of my various colleagues.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:37248-37560 hearsay second hand
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David Grusch spent 4 years while with the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force taking steps to corroborate the evidence given to him and to vet the individuals who shared it.
“I have taken every step I can to corroborate this evidence over a period of 4 years while I was with the UAP Task Force and do my due diligence on the individuals sharing it.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:37573-37744 testimony first hand
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David Grusch was a member of the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force from 2019 to 2021 in a National Reconnaissance Office reservist capacity within the United States Air Force.
“In the U.S. Air Force in my National Reconnaissance Office—NRO—reservist capacity, I was a member of the UAP Task Force from 2019 to 2021.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:38214-38347 administrative first hand
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David Grusch served on the National Reconnaissance Office operations center's Director's briefing staff, coordinating the Presidential daily brief and supporting contingency operations as reserve intelligence division chief backup.
“I served at the NRO operations center on the Director's briefing staff, which included the coordination of the Presidential daily brief and supporting a variety of contingency operations, which I was the reserve intelligence division chief backup.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:38354-38594 administrative first hand
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In 2019 the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force Director asked David Grusch to identify all special access programs and controlled access programs needed to satisfy the task force's congressionally mandated mission, reporting directly to the Deputy Secretary of Defense.
“In 2019, the UAP Task Force Director asked me to identify all special access programs and controlled access programs, also known as SAPs and CAPs, we needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission and we would direct report at the time to the DEP/SecDef.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:38603-38858 testimony first hand
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David Grusch was cleared to nearly all relevant intelligence compartments due to his extensive executive-level intelligence support duties.
“At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence support duties I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust both in my military and civilian capacities.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:38867-39065 administrative first hand
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David Grusch was informed in the course of his official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme, to which he was denied further access when he requested it.
“I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access to those additional read-ons when I requested it.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:39078-39274 hearsay second hand
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David Grusch reported the UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme information to his superiors and multiple inspectors general, becoming a whistleblower.
“I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this information to my superiors and multiple inspectors general and, in effect, becoming a whistleblower.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:39279-39431 administrative first hand
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David Grusch has suffered retaliation for his decision to become a whistleblower.
“As you know, I have suffered retaliation for my decision, but I am hopeful that my actions will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency.”
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David Grusch considers acknowledging a collection and countermeasure vulnerability a reason some UAP information from 15 or 20 years back should not be immediately made public.
“Mr. GROTHMAN: Can any of the three of you think of any reason why anything related to UAPs, say, 15 years and back should not be immediately made public? Mr. GRUSCH: I think one of it is acknowledging a vulnerability both from a collection and I will just say, you know, a countermeasure perspective. So, it is a nut we have not cracked for many years.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:48876-49259 opinion first hand
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David Grusch believes UAP information from 20 years back should remain non-public only if it shows a specific national security vulnerability relating to a weakness in a particular defence system.
“Mr. GROTHMAN: Even, say, 20 years back. Is there any reason why when you go back that far things should not be made public? Mr. GRUSCH: Unless it shows a specific national security vulnerability as it relates to a weakness in a particular defense system.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:49281-49515 opinion first hand
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David Grusch's complaint to the intelligence community Inspector General was largely classified, covering material acquisition and exploitation activity and the baselining of UAP information not shared with intelligence professionals conducting step briefs to pilots.
“the preponderance of my complaint was classified to the intelligence communities. Both material acquisition and exploitation activity, also baselining the UAPs but not sharing it with...intelligence professionals that are actually doing step briefs to pilots”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:52203-52464 testimony first hand
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David Grusch believes the United States government is in possession of UAP, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years.
“Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:59352-59411 opinion first hand
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David Grusch knows the exact locations where the United States government is alleged to possess UAP, and provided those locations to the Inspector General and some intelligence committees.
“I know the exact locations and those locations were provided to the Inspector General and some of which to the intelligence committees.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:59455-59579 testimony first hand
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David Grusch arranged for people with firsthand knowledge of UAP possession locations to provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General.
“I actually had the people with the firsthand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:59591-59694 testimony first hand
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David Grusch is subject to an open whistleblower reprisal investigation regarding retaliation he faced for his testimony on unidentified anomalous phenomena.
“Yes. I have to be careful what I say in detail because there is an open whistleblower reprisal investigation on my behalf...”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:62761-62876 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal extraterrestrial technology.
“Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, personally.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:63274-63438 testimony first hand
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David Grusch directed people with knowledge of alleged murders related to covering up unidentified anomalous phenomena technology to the appropriate authorities.
“Mr. BURCHETT. Have you heard—have anyone been murdered that you would—that you know of or have heard of, I guess? Mr. GRUSCH. I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:63451-63678 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has received overwhelming private support from former colleagues since coming forward publicly with his testimony, over a period of about two months.
“Well, it has only been about 2 months or so. So, I guess my experience has been overwhelming support from former colleagues of mine that have, you know, privately messaged me and I do appreciate that.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:68383-68578 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has knowledge of active planned reprisal activity against himself and other colleagues.
“But I do have knowledge of active planned reprisal activity against myself, and other colleagues and it is very, very upsetting to me.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:68585-68716 testimony first hand
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David Grusch attributes the reprisal activity against him to certain senior leadership at previous agencies he was associated with.
“Certain senior leadership at previous agencies I was associated with and that is all I will say publicly. But I can provide more details in a closed environment.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:68765-68914 testimony first hand
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David Grusch states that certain of his colleagues were brutally administratively attacked over the past 3 years, which he found upsetting as their leader.
“There were certain colleagues of mine that were brutally administratively attacked, and it actually makes me very upset as a leader to see that happen to other co-workers and actually superiors of mine over the last 3 years.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:69179-69397 testimony first hand
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David Grusch describes a practice he calls "administrative terrorism" as a tool used to silence career government personnel by threatening their career path, clearance, and reputation.
“I call it administrative terrorism. That is their quiver—their tool in the toolbox to silence people, especially, you know, career government service cares about their career, cares about their clearance, their reputation to climb the ladder, and when you threaten that flow—career path—a lot of people back off.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:69504-69863 opinion first hand
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David Grusch has personally experienced incidents in the last couple of years that caused him to fear for his life for addressing unidentified anomalous phenomena issues.
“In the last couple of years, have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, personally. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:71109-71270 testimony first hand
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David Grusch does not have data on whether nonhuman intelligence is working with adversarial foreign governments in technology exchange or reverse-engineering programmes.
“To your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign governments in either technology exchange programs or back engineering programs? Mr. GRUSCH. I do not have data on that. I am not sure.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:71493-71685 testimony first hand
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In April 2022, before Sean Kirkpatrick took over the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) in July 2022, David Grusch had a classified conversation with him and provided him concerns regarding pertinent national security information.
“Him and I had a classified conversation in April 2022 before he took over AARO in July 2022 and I provided him some concerns I had.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:72197-72324 testimony first hand
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David Grusch does not know why Sean Kirkpatrick did not follow up with him after their April 2022 conversation, but wishes he had, and states he was happy to give counsel to Kirkpatrick when Kirkpatrick took over the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
“Unfortunately, I cannot read his mind. I wish he did. I was happy to give sage counsel to him on where to look when he took the helm of AARO.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:72409-72545 testimony first hand
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David Grusch received prior approval from the Department of Defense (DoD) Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) to speak on certain issues before his testimony.
“you received prior approval from the Defense Department to speak on certain issues, correct? Mr. GRUSCH. Correct, through DODSR—DoD Prepublication and Security Review—”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:72681-72842 administrative first hand
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David Grusch states that his testimony reflects his own personal views and opinions, not those of the Department of Defense (DoD), and that the DoD Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) reviews content only from a security perspective.
“I just want to remind the public they are just looking from a security perspective. These are my own personal views and opinions, not the Department's.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:72853-73002 administrative first hand
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David Grusch states he is legally required, as a former intelligence officer, to obtain prepublication review or face imprisonment for revealing classified information.
“I am required by law to do that as a former intelligence officer, or I go to jail for revealing classified information.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:73212-73319 administrative first hand
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David Grusch personally interviewed individuals who have direct knowledge of nonhuman-origin craft as a result of his previous government work.
“have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of nonhuman origin craft? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. I personally interviewed those individuals.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:78213-78369 testimony first hand
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David Grusch was briefed on the preponderance of the Department of Defense's space and aerospace compartmented programs regarding conventional advanced technology.
“Based on conventional advanced tech I was briefed to the preponderance of the Defense Department's both space and aerospace compartmented programs. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:78662-78810 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has reason to believe there are unsanctioned programmes in the advanced technology space.
“Do you have knowledge, or do you have reason to believe, that there are programs in the advanced tech space that are unsanctioned? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, I do.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:78831-78982 testimony first hand
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David Grusch states that Section 119 of Title 10 of the U.S. Code discusses congressional oversight of Special Access Programs (SAPs) and the Secretary of Defense's ability to waive congressional reporting.
“10 U.S. Code Section 119 discusses congressional oversight of SAPs, discusses the DEP/SecDef's ability to waive congressional reporting.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:79303-79429 administrative second hand
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David Grusch states that under public law, the Gang of Eight is at least supposed to be notified when a waived, unacknowledged Special Access Program (SAP) is created.
“However, the Gang of 8 is at least supposed to be notified if a—you know, a waived or a waive bigoted unacknowledged SAP is created and that is public law.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:79440-79591 administrative first hand
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David Grusch states that unsanctioned advanced technology programmes are funded through misappropriation of funds and self-funding.
“I can get very specific in a closed session. But misappropriation of funds and self-fund.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:79761-79845 testimony first hand
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David Grusch considers it likely that U.S. corporations are overcharging for certain technology sold to the U.S. Government, with additional money going to other programmes.
“Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Do you think U.S. corporations are overcharging for certain tech they are selling to the U.S. Government and that additional money is going to programs? Mr. GRUSCH. Correct, through something called IR&D.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:80055-80273 opinion first hand
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David Grusch says corporations funnel overcharged government money through Independent Research and Development (IR&D) funding.
“Mr. GRUSCH. Correct, through something called IR&D.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:80224-80273 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's primary tasks at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA) included processing, exploiting, and disseminating satellite imagery.
“Mr. GRUSCH. That was one of my primary tasks at NGA since we process, exploit, and disseminate that kind of information.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:80682-80790 testimony first hand
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David Grusch personally reviewed multiple cases of satellite imagery of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) related events while working at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA).
“I have seen multiple cases, some of which to my understanding—and, of course, I left NGA in April so that is my information cutoff date. But I personally review both what we call overhead collection and from other strategic and tactical platforms”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:80803-81041 testimony first hand
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David Grusch left the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA) in April.
“I left NGA in April so that is my information cutoff date.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:80881-80934 administrative first hand
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David Grusch holds a degree in physics.
“I could not even explain prosaically, and I have a degree in physics, by the way, as well.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:81061-81146 administrative first hand
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David Grusch cannot discuss in an open session whether satellite imagery he reviewed applies to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) crash sites.
“Mr. GRUSCH. I cannot discuss that in an open session.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:81408-81453 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's sworn testimony states that the U.S. Government has retrieved supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other UAP-related artefacts.
“Mr. Grusch, in your sworn testimony you state that the U.S. Government has retrieved supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other UAP-related artifacts.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:81998-82144 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's sworn testimony states that the United States is in possession of "nonhuman spacecraft".
“You go so far as to state that the U.S. is in possession of, quote, ''nonhuman spacecraft,'' end quote”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:82155-82252 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's sworn testimony states that some nonhuman spacecraft artefacts have circulated with defence contractors.
“and that some of these artifacts have circulated with defense contractors.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:82259-82321 testimony first hand
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Several other former military and intelligence officials have come forward with allegations similar to David Grusch's, albeit in nonpublic settings.
“Several other former military and intelligence officials have come forward with similar allegations albeit in nonpublic settings.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:82334-82454 testimony second hand
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David Grusch considers Sean Kirkpatrick's statement that there is no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity or off-world technology inaccurate.
“Mr. GRUSCH. It is not accurate.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:82779-82801 opinion first hand
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Sean Kirkpatrick mentioned that approximately 30 individuals have come to the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) with information.
“I believe Dr. Kirkpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to AARO thus far.”
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David Grusch personally interviewed a few of the individuals who also came to the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
“A few of those individuals have also come to AARO that I also interviewed.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:82908-82970 testimony first hand
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David Grusch knows what information the individuals provided to Sean Kirkpatrick and his team at the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
“And I know what they provided Dr. Kirkpatrick and their team.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:83011-83067 testimony first hand
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David Grusch was able to evaluate the information provided to the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) by the individuals he interviewed.
“I was able to evaluate that information.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:83101-83129 testimony first hand
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David Grusch sat on the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) created by the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).
“Mr. Grusch, you sat on the unidentified anomalous phenomenon task force created in the 2020 NDAA, correct? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:96376-96496 testimony first hand
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David Grusch is not aware of defence contractors being required to issue any disclosure regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) sightings or engaging in any related reporting.
“Mr. GRUSCH. In terms of the contractors? Not that I am aware of.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:97566-97627 testimony first hand
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David Grusch says that some Independent Research and Development (IR&D) activities flow through Special Access Program (SAP) programmes with cognisant authority over the Air Force that are congressionally reported compartments.
“Sometimes they flow through certain, I will just say SAP programs, that have cognizant authority over the Air Force or something and those are congressionally reported compartments.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:98400-98568 testimony first hand
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David Grusch says Independent Research and Development (IR&D) funding is internal to defence contractors, so as long as the money is profits or private investment, the contractors can spend it however they want.
“But IR&D is literally internal to the contractors. So, as long as it is money, either profits, private investment, et cetera, they do whatever they want.”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:98633-98783 testimony first hand
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David Grusch says that when a Special Access Program (SAP) or controlled access programme has a notification requirement to Congress, it comes through the Periodic Program Review (PPR) process, and the reports go to specific committees such as the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) and House Armed Services Committee (HASC).
“A lot of it comes through what they call the PPR—Periodic Program Review process—if it is, you know, a SAP or controlled access program equity, and then those go to the specific committees, whether it be the SASC, HASC”
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 2023-07-26 char:99097-99311 testimony first hand
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David Grusch helped contribute to the Pentagon's UAP Task Force.
“helped contribute to the UAP Task Force as well”
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David Grusch told the United States Congress and an inspector general what he knew about the Legacy Program.
“Not only did Dave tell Congress and the inspector general what he knew about the Legacy Program”
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David Grusch gave a series of public interviews about what he knew about the Legacy Program.
“he also went public and did a series of interviews telling the world what he knew”
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The Pentagon's UAP Task Force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval programme that retrieved nonhuman-origin technical vehicles that had either landed or crashed.
“The UAP Task Force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program, retrieving nonhuman origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft, if you will, nonhuman exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed”
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David Grusch considers there to be a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US population regarding UAP that is extremely unethical and immoral.
“There's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral”
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In July 2023, members of the United States Congress held a bipartisan hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) at which Commander Dave Fravor, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, and David Grusch testified under oath.
“members of Congress held another historic bipartisan UAP hearing. This time the hearing had highly credible military witnesses, Commander Fravor, Lieutenant Graves, and Dave Grusch, who were now testifying to the American people in Congress *under oath*”
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Information was provided to a journalist that tried to portray David Grusch as unreliable in a story using anonymous sources.
“Information was provided to a journalist that tried to paint David as unreliable in a story that used anonymous sources to smear a decorated combat veteran”
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David Grusch is a decorated combat veteran.
“to smear a decorated combat veteran”
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David Grusch was a National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) employee.
“David was a National Reconnaissance Office employee”
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David Grusch worked for the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).
“worked for the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)”
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David Grusch was the representative of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) on the Pentagon's UAP Task Force.
“He was those agencies' rep on the UAP Task Force”
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David Grusch worked with Luis Elizondo at United States Space Force (USSF).
“Dave also worked with me at Space Force”
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David Grusch was, from November 2021 until April 2023, a Senior GEOINT Capabilities Requirements Officer with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
“David Grusch, who was from November 2021 until April 2023 a Senior GEOINT Capabilities Requirements Officer with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency”
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David Grusch, under oath in a congressional hearing on 2023-07-26, said he was aware that non-human biologics were found along with crashed disks.
“stated under oath in a congressional hearing on July 26, 2023 that he was aware that, along with crashed disks, “non-human biologics” were found.”
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David Grusch went public under the Whistleblower Protection Act, referencing the existence of nonhuman bodies.
“As both David Grusch and Lue Elizondo, going public under the Whistleblower Protection Act, have also referenced the existence of these bodies”
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Whitley Strieber feels free to discuss the nonhuman bodies because David Grusch and Lue Elizondo have publicly referenced their existence.
“I feel free to discuss them.”
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David Grusch later worked as a senior intelligence officer at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
“He later worked as a senior intelligence officer at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)”
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From 2019 to 2021, David Grusch officially represented the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) on the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force (UAP Task Force).
“from 2019-2021 officially represented the NRO on the UAP Task Force”
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Eric Burlison announced David Grusch as a Special Advisor.
“Congressman Eric Burlison (R-MO-07) is pleased to announce David Grusch, a decorated former U.S. Air Force officer and senior civilian intelligence official, as a Special Advisor.”
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In 2022, while at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), David Grusch filed a federal whistleblower complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG).
“In 2022 while at NGA, Mr. Grusch filed a federal whistleblower complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG)”
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In 2023, David Grusch testified before Congress.
“In 2023, he testified before Congress”
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In his 2023 congressional testimony, David Grusch alleged that elements of the U.S. government had thwarted Congressional oversight of programmes related to the recovery and reverse engineering of craft of unknown, non-human origin.
“alleging that elements of the U.S. government had thwarted Congressional oversight, withheld information from proper Executive Branch officials and illegally concealed programs tied to the recovery and reverse engineering of craft of unknown, non-human origin”
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In his 2023 congressional testimony, David Grusch alleged that elements of the U.S. government withheld information from proper Executive Branch officials regarding programmes tied to craft of unknown, non-human origin.
“withheld information from proper Executive Branch officials and illegally concealed programs tied to the recovery and reverse engineering of craft of unknown, non-human origin”
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In his 2023 congressional testimony, David Grusch alleged that elements of the U.S. government illegally concealed programmes tied to the recovery and reverse engineering of craft of unknown, non-human origin.
“illegally concealed programs tied to the recovery and reverse engineering of craft of unknown, non-human origin”
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David Grusch is a senior civilian intelligence official.
“David Grusch, a decorated former U.S. Air Force officer and senior civilian intelligence official”
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David Grusch is a decorated former U.S. Air Force officer.
“David Grusch, a decorated former U.S. Air Force officer and senior civilian intelligence official”
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David Grusch is immensely humbled and deeply honoured to join Eric Burlison and his team of professionals in pushing for government transparency.
“"I'm both immensely humbled and deeply honored to join Congressman Burlison and his amazing team of professionals in pushing for government transparency," said Grusch.”
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The public is rightfully demanding to know the truth about Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).
“"The public is rightfully demanding to know the truth and it is my true privilege for me to serve the people of this country once again."”
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David Grusch will use his expertise to support Eric Burlison and help the United States Congress restore full oversight while enabling the Legislative Branch's ability to investigate and hold accountable those who broke the law and lied to Congress, the Executive Office of the President, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the United States Department of Justice.
“I will use all my expertise to support Rep. Burlison and help the US Congress restore full oversight while enabling the Legislative Branch's ability to investigate and hold those accountable who have broken the law and lied not only to our Congress, but also to the Executive Office of the President, Director of National Intelligence, and Department of Justice”
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Eric Burlison underscores his commitment to government accountability and transparency on the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) topic with the appointment of David Grusch as Special Advisor.
“underscores his commitment to government accountability and transparency on the UAP topic with this appointment”
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David Grusch previously gave sworn testimony before the US House Oversight & Accountability Committee about the federal government's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) activities.
“Grusch, recognized for his previous sworn testimony before House Oversight & Accountability Committee about the federal government's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) activities”
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David Grusch will contribute his expertise to Eric Burlison's efforts to promote transparency regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and other matters on the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets.
“will contribute his expertise to Rep. Burlison's efforts to promote transparency regarding UAP and other matters on the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets”
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David Grusch has risked his career to expose critical information.
“"David Grusch has risked his career to expose critical information."”
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Eric Burlison considers David Grusch's expertise vital to efforts to uncover the truth about Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and hold the government accountable.
“"His expertise will be vital as we work to uncover the truth and hold the government accountable."”
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David Grusch served 14 years in the US Air Force.
“Grusch served 14 years in the Air Force, reaching the rank of Major”
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David Grusch reached the rank of Major in the US Air Force.
“Grusch served 14 years in the Air Force, reaching the rank of Major”
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David Grusch had a combat tour of duty in Afghanistan supporting counter-illicit finance, drug, and arms-trafficking operations with Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).
“with a combat tour of duty in Afghanistan supporting counter-illicit finance, drug, and arms-trafficking operations with Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and ISAF”
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David Grusch has explained in interviews, including with Ross Coulthart, that other programmes are used to conceal the legacy UFO retrieval programme.
“as David Grusch has explained in some of his interviews including with me they're using those programs to conceal this legacy program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:42:26.7-00:42:33.8 hearsay second hand
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David Grusch's Department of Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) approval contained a line permitting him to speak about agreements.
“a line in his DOPSR, in his pre-publication security review approval, where he was approved to talk about agreements.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:06:45.0-01:06:54.7 observation second hand
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David Grusch gave his congressional testimony on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena under oath.
“David Grusch did it under oath, you know,”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:11:01.4-01:11:03.2 administrative
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David Grusch is a former very senior United States intelligence officer.
“David Grusch, a former very senior intelligence officer, giving evidence under oath to Congress.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:08.1-01:12:14.2 administrative
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David Grusch gave the United States Congress times, dates, places, locations, names and specific door numbers of facilities to inspect.
“David Grusch has given them the times dates places locations names literally the door numbers go and open this door and have a look”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:42.9-01:12:51.6 testimony second hand
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Ross Coulthart is confident David Grusch finds the lack of congressional follow-up frustrating.
“Yeah, I'm sure it is. I mean, I'm not speaking out of turn. I'm sure he's finding it as frustrating as we all are.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:54.8-01:13:00.2 opinion first hand
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Ross Coulthart first became aware of David Grusch through people inside the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme, who told him Grusch was asking good questions and seemed well motivated.
“I became aware of David Grusch from people in the program. They said to me, you need to find out about this guy. ... He's asking good questions. He seems really well motivated.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:17:37.9-01:17:49.3 testimony second hand
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Ross Coulthart rejects the suggestion that Jake Barber or David Grusch are part of a controlled disclosure effort.
“I don't buy the line that Jake or David are part of a controlled disclosure.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:05.9-01:18:10.8 opinion first hand
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Ross Coulthart has no doubt that Jake Barber and David Grusch know more than they have publicly disclosed, particularly David Grusch.
“Chris Ramsay: They might know a lot more than they're letting them. Ross Coulthart: Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm in doubt about that. ... No, and I think particularly David.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:20.8-01:18:24.8 opinion first hand
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While checking David Grusch's background, Ross Coulthart found sources unrelated to Grusch who were in awe of him.
“I'm privy to information from sources unrelated to David. When I was checking David out... There were people who were in awe of David Grusch.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:34.7-01:18:43.7 testimony first hand
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David Grusch carried the presidential daily brief and secret documents to the White House by train, escorted by a colleague.
“David was carrying the presidential daily brief and secret documents to the White House on a train with a colleague escorting him.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:48.3-01:18:57.6 testimony second hand
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David Grusch had knowledge of over 2,000 special access programmes, up to and including waived unacknowledged special access programmes.
“He had knowledge of, I think over 2000 special access programs right up to WUSAPs.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:01.8-01:19:05.8 testimony first hand
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David Grusch was one of the most highly cleared people in the United States Department of Defense for secrets.
“He was one of the most highly cleared people in the defense department for secrets.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:07.1-01:19:11.2 testimony first hand
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While working with the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, David Grusch realised there was a parallel programme that had been kept secret from him despite his clearances, which astonished him.
“When you look at how he came to the realization, working with the UAP task force, that there was this parallel program that had been keep it secret from him, it blew him away. He had the, not the conceit, but he had the strong belief that he'd know about it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:17.8-01:19:40.2 testimony second hand
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David Grusch asked friends in the cafeteria at the Pentagon what they knew about the claim of a legacy programme involving UFOs, and their responses led him to conclude it was real.
“when he asked friends of his, literally in the cafeteria at the Pentagon, what do you know about this claim about legacy program involving UFOs? And people sort of gave him a bit of a nudge. And then he realized it was real.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:46.4-01:20:00.2 testimony second hand
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Jake Barber, David Grusch and Jordan Jozak attended the Skywatcher event at the Esalen Institute.
“And Jake Barber came along as well, as did David Grusch, and so did Jordan Jozak, who ended up becoming one of the psionics who was working with Skywatcher.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:21:33.1-02:21:44.5 observation first hand
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Jordan Jozak's statement about a blue hexagonal craft was made in front of David Grusch, Alex Klokus and a number of the premier investors, in Alex Klokus's hotel room at the Esalen Institute.
“He said this in front of David Grusch, in front of Alex Klokus, and in front of a number of the premier investors. We were sitting in Alex Klokus's hotel room at Esalen”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:22:58.3-02:23:09.9 observation first hand
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David Grusch testified that the legacy program control group involves a cadre of senior executive officials, many at the Senior Executive Service (SES) level, including DARPA Special Access Program Central Office (SAPCO) personnel and senior figures within the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force.
“Dave Grusch actually testified to this. Many of these being SCS level senior executive service individuals, DARPA SAPCOs, very senior figures within the Secretary of the Air Force like we just spoke of.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:39:13.0-00:39:25.8 testimony second hand
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Jesse Michels believes the legacy programme David Grusch described probably involves hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of United States dollars spent on reverse engineering recovered craft.
“this legacy program, this like, you know, probably hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars going into actually reverse engineering this stuff”
The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 2026-07-14 00:56:08.2-00:56:17.6 opinion first hand
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Chris Ramsay considers it risky for David Grusch to sit down with UAP Gerb, for the same reason David Grusch would probably not sit down with Bob Lazar: the conversation would stray into material that should not be discussed.
“I feel like it'd be dangerous for Dave Grusch to sit down with you. Same reason Dave Grusch wouldn't probably sit down with Bob Lazar, where it's like you guys are going to talk about some stuff that like literally you shouldn't be talking about.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:30:20.3-00:30:34.1 opinion first hand
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UAP Gerb has never held a security clearance, so he can cross disclosure lines that David Grusch cannot cross without risking imprisonment.
“because like I've never had a clearance. I can cross lines that he can't without being thrown in jail. ... Because I can cross lines that he will be imprisoned and made an example of if he crosses.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:30:35.0-00:30:42.0 testimony first hand
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Jesse Michels considers UAP Gerb's work the open-source equivalent of what David Grusch did at the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.
“you're doing the open source version of what he did at the UAPTF, I think”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:31:34.0-00:31:37.8 opinion first hand
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David Grusch was known within the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force for having a memory like a steel trap and serving as a large database of information on the subject.
“he was known as like this really like, you know, his mind was a steel trap and he was just this like, big database of like all this stuff”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:31:38.5-00:31:47.6 hearsay
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David Grusch is a whistleblower who came from inside the United States Department of Defense and the intelligence community.
“David Grusch is a whistleblower who goes much further. He's come from inside the Defense Department, the intelligence community”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:16:57.8-00:17:05.2 administrative first hand
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David Grusch revealed the existence of a legacy UFO non-human technology retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“he revealed the existence of a legacy UFO non-human technology retrieval and reverse engineering program.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:17:06.4-00:17:16.7 testimony second hand
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David Grusch sacrificed his career to do what he thought was right in going public about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
“It came at a very high price and I had to essentially sacrifice my career to do what I thought was right.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:02:57.7-00:03:02.7 testimony first hand
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David Grusch went public in part because the United States' national leaders were not being provided information about humanity's place in the cosmos.
“there was an implication that our nation's leaders was not being provided this, you know, unbelievable information about our place in the cosmos”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:03:23.4-00:03:30.5 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's co-workers, friends and supervisors were attacked for enabling and helping him in his investigation.
“myself, my co workers, you know, friends, supervisors, you know, were attacked for enabling me and helping me in my investigation”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:03:31.8-00:03:38.7 testimony first hand
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David Grusch suffered reprisal activities in connection with his Unidentified Aerial Phenomena investigation.
“needing to get off the X and definitely suffering some reprisal activities”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:03:41.9-00:03:45.2 testimony first hand
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David Grusch considers that half of the classified information about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena should not be classified, and that humanity has a right to know basic facts about different types of life.
“realizing this information, half of it shouldn't be classified. Humanity has a right to know certain basic facts about, you know, different types of life”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:03:46.7-00:03:56.3 opinion first hand
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David Grusch considers it wrong that United States Congress lacked oversight insight into Unidentified Aerial Phenomena matters comparable to the Church Committee investigations of the 1970s into the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation activities.
“seeing what Congress was not being told and not having appropriate insight akin to the Church Committee committees of the 1970s and not having insight on the CIA, NSA, and FBI's activities. I just thought it was wrong that this was allowed to go unchecked for so many years.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:03:57.3-00:04:15.0 opinion first hand
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The Robertson Panel took place in 1953.
“you're right in the 1953 Robertson panel”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:23.9-00:05:25.4 administrative first hand
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The 1953 Robertson Panel changed the tone of official handling of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and developed a systematic ridicule process while the United States government secretly took the subject very seriously.
“the 1953 Robertson panel kind of changed the tone and developed a systematic ridicule process while the government was secretly taking this very seriously”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:24.5-00:05:32.9 testimony first hand
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Recently released document tranches include documents from the late 1940s and early 1950s showing how seriously the United States Air Force and United States Navy were taking Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
“what we saw in some of the recent tranches was documents from early 50s, late 40s, showing how serious the Air Force, the Navy, et cetera, were taking this”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:33.5-00:05:42.6 testimony second hand
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In the released late-1940s and early-1950s documents, investigators ruled out classified United States programmes as an explanation for the observed phenomena.
“They ruled out classified US programs.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:43.2-00:05:45.1 testimony second hand
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In the released late-1940s and early-1950s documents, investigators ruled out foreign programmes pursued by other countries as an explanation for the observed phenomena.
“They ruled out foreign programs that other countries were pursuing.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:45.7-00:05:49.8 testimony second hand
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David Grusch considers that once classified United States programmes and foreign programmes are ruled out, the remaining explanations for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena are natural phenomena or some other anomalous intelligence that is not understood.
“Obviously, what's left is either natural phenomenon or some other anomalous intelligence that we don't understand.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:51.0-00:05:56.2 opinion first hand
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The United States government buried its serious interest in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena behind the scenes while running Project Blue Book, which explained the phenomenon away as prosaic causes such as ball lightning and swamp gas.
“the government had taken it seriously and kind of buried it behind the scenes while engaging in activities like Project Blue Book, et cetera, explaining away the phenomenon as something prosaic, ball lightning, you know, swamp gas very famously, right? And, and of course, that wasn't true.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:05:57.6-00:06:16.4 testimony first hand
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The United States government formed a material recovery and exploitation programme for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
“The government not only was studying this, but then formed a, you know, material recovery and exploitation program.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:17.0-00:06:24.6 testimony first hand
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David Grusch brought to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and briefed United States Congress, both in classified and public settings, that the United States has had a programme recovering empirical evidence from landed or crashed Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
“simply what I brought to the Inspector General and what I briefed Congress both, you know, classified and in a public setting is the fact that we've had this recovery program of actually recovering that empirical evidence.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:34.9-00:06:45.9 testimony first hand
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Recovered Unidentified Aerial Phenomena material has been stashed in many different locations and all the big United States defence contractors are involved.
“kind of like the movie Indiana Jones, we've stashed it all over the place and all the big contractors are involved.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:46.6-00:06:52.6 testimony first hand
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The Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of Naval Intelligence and a number of federally funded research and development centers have been involved in the analysis of recovered Unidentified Aerial Phenomena material over the decades.
“the CIA, Office of Naval Intelligence, the something called federally funded research and development centers, a lot of them were involved in the analysis over the decades.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:53.9-00:07:02.9 testimony first hand
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Very few members of United States Congress and very few presidents knew about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena material recovery programme.
“very few people in Congress knew very few presidents knew as temporary employees”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:07:04.8-00:07:10.5 testimony first hand
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While working in the intelligence community, David Grusch worked on sensitive programmes that were purposely hidden from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence oversight staff and briefed only to the White House, being kept away from United States Congress through a shell game of not reporting programmes.
“when I was uh back in the intelligence community there were sensitive programs i worked on that we purposely hid from the director of national intelligence oversight staff um stuff we only briefed the white house and you know kept it away from congress through a unique shell game of not reporting programs”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:08:09.3-00:08:28.2 testimony first hand
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In sensitive meetings David Grusch held with senior officials of the current administration, those officials described being briefed by the Central Intelligence Agency about a classified programme in their White House role and then hearing a totally different account of the same programme when briefed at another agency alongside a cabinet member.
“i've had sensitive meetings with senior officials of this administration and they've also encountered that where They're briefed by one thing, by CIA, in their one hat at the White House. And then when they go to another agency and sit in a briefing for that same program, they're telling another cabinet member a totally different story about what this classified program is doing.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:08:29.8-00:08:51.1 hearsay second hand
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In 1973 Richard Helms ordered Sidney Gottlieb to destroy all the Project MKUltra documents.
“Remember, Richard Helms in 1973 ordered Sidley Gottlieb to destroy all the MKUltra documents.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:08:58.0-00:09:03.2 testimony first hand
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There was a shell game within the Central Intelligence Agency to prevent its inspector general, its general counsel and United States Congress from learning about Project MKUltra.
“There was a shell game within the CIA to prevent the inspector general, general counsel, Congress from learning about the program.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:09:03.8-00:09:11.1 testimony first hand
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What is known about Project MKUltra comes from financial records that were found and stored separately, amounting to about 30 per cent of what was going on.
“we only know what we know about MKUltra through the financial records that were found and stored separately. So that's why we know 30% of what was going on.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:09:11.8-00:09:20.5 testimony first hand
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David Grusch is worried that unless Donald Trump has issued a historical document preservation hold, much of the information on the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena recovery programme is being destroyed at present, similar to the destruction of Project MKUltra records in the 1970s.
“I do worry if President Trump hasn't provided a either classified or otherwise, you know, historical document preservation notice hold, that a lot of the information on the UAP recovery program is being destroyed as we speak, akin to MKUltra in the 70s.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:09:25.3-00:09:42.4 opinion first hand
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The Central Intelligence Agency's MK series of programmes included Operation CHAOS, which was a domestic influence operation.
“there was a whole mk series to include operation chaos which was domestic influence operations”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:10:51.5-00:10:57.2 testimony first hand
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Project MKUltra started in the 1950s as a mind control experimentation programme using drugs such as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD).
“MKUltra started in the 50s and i'm certainly not the expert but essentially it was a mind control uh experimentation program also using different types of drugs such as LSD”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:10:58.2-00:11:08.9 testimony first hand
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Under Project MKUltra, innocent civilians were dosed with drugs in clinics.
“they were dosing innocent civilians in clinics”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:11:09.7-00:11:12.2 testimony first hand
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The Central Intelligence Agency pursued mind control experimentation under Project MKUltra because it learned that Russia was also experimenting with such techniques.
“they were experimenting with uh you know pretty intense mind control capabilities because the CIA got wind that the russia was also experimenting with this kind of thing.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:11:13.3-00:11:22.9 testimony first hand
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The Central Intelligence Agency wanted to create Manchurian Candidate assassins through Project MKUltra.
“And they wanted to create Manchurian Candidate Assassins and other things.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:11:23.2-00:11:26.9 testimony first hand
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Anna Paulina Luna chaired a recent congressional hearing about Project MKUltra.
“And Chairwoman Lunar had a hearing about it recently.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:11:27.3-00:11:31.0 administrative first hand
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The psychic spy programme at Stanford Research Institute was created during the Project MKUltra period because Russia was experimenting with extrasensory perception.
“During that period, the psychic spy program at Stanford Research Institute was created because once again, Russia was experimenting in this extrasensory perception and kind of the more woo type stuff.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:11:35.1-00:11:48.9 testimony first hand
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The Central Intelligence Agency paid off journalists at major news organisations under Operation Mockingbird.
“what we did catch was CIA paying off journalists at major, you know, news organizations. That's the whole Mockingbird thing that you hear.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:11:55.6-00:12:04.2 testimony first hand
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An author whose name David Grusch could not recall has reported in a book that Charles Manson may possibly have been involved in Project MKUltra.
“it's been reported by a particular author whose name escapes me that even Charles Manson would have possibly been in the MKUltra program. And there's a whole book on that.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:12:08.1-00:12:19.0 hearsay second hand
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After fighting off administrative reprisals and maintaining his top secret clearance, David Grusch returned to work at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
“after I fought off some of the administrative terrorism I faced and, you know, maintain my top secret clearance, you know, I went back at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:14:09.1-00:14:18.0 testimony first hand
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At the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, David Grusch saw that he would not be allowed to do his job and that a minefield was being created for him.
“I saw the writing on the wall, I saw that they were not going to allow me to do my job. I saw the minefield that they were creating for me.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:14:20.4-00:14:26.8 testimony first hand
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David Grusch's wife is a former Central Intelligence Agency medical officer and a former United States Air Force officer who held a top secret clearance.
“my wife was a former CIA medical officer and Air Force officer. So she had you know, a top secret clearance at one point”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:14:30.9-00:14:36.9 testimony first hand
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David Grusch used what he calls the Russian Ministry of Defence doctrine of escalating to de-escalate, escalating his disclosure to the highest level possible to protect himself and his family.
“I used what I call the Russian Ministry of Defense doctrine, which is to escalate to deescalate. And so I escalated to the highest level possible, both to protect myself and my family, but to keep the wolves at bay”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:14:56.6-00:15:12.2 testimony first hand
291
The United States Air Force unsuccessfully tried to file an Espionage Act unauthorised disclosure complaint against David Grusch when he went public.
“What I talked about in the June 9 presser is the Air Force did unsuccessfully try to file an SPI espionage act unauthorized disclosure complaint against me when I did go public”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:15:16.4-00:15:27.4 testimony first hand
292
David Grusch resigned his United States Air Force officer commission because he foresaw an attack of that nature.
“unfortunately I had to resign. my Air Force officer commissioned because I foresaw an attack of that nature.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:15:30.7-00:15:36.8 testimony first hand
293
David Grusch believed the United States Air Force would probably pursue him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice if he stayed on the reserve side.
“If I stayed in the in the Air Force on the reserve side, I really thought that the Air Force was probably going to come after me using the uniform code of military justice.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:15:37.6-00:15:46.5 opinion first hand
294
David Grusch missed his promotion to lieutenant colonel in the United States Air Force Reserve as a result of ending his career.
“So I had to essentially kill my career and miss my promotion to lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserve.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:15:52.8-00:15:59.5 testimony first hand
295
David Grusch was only a couple of years away from military retirement when he ended his career.
“And I was only a couple of years away from retirement”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:00.1-00:16:03.2 testimony first hand
296
David Grusch is currently seeking a medical retirement and the missed promotion through a records correction process decided by a board that works for the Secretary of the Air Force.
“I'm working right now to try to get a medical retirement and that promotion that I missed through a records correction process ... that's up to a particular board that works for the Secretary of the Air Force right now.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:04.0-00:16:19.4 testimony first hand
297
David Grusch's whole identity was built around being an intelligence officer, and going public forced him to change his lifestyle and look for another job.
“my whole identity was built around being an intel officer, being a super spook for the governments, And having to totally change my lifestyle and look for another job”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:23.2-00:16:33.5 testimony first hand
298
David Grusch spent a substantial amount of money on legal fees and lost income as a result of going public.
“the amount of money I've spent on legal fees and the income I've lost was... was really unfortunate.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:34.7-00:16:39.6 testimony first hand
299
David Grusch describes himself as having a very high justice sensitivity with a touch of autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
“I guess I have a very high justice sensitivity with the little touch of autism and ADHD.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:41.2-00:16:46.8 testimony first hand
300
David Grusch decided to go public because he saw nobody else taking the leadership needed on the material recovery and reverse engineering programme.
“I'm going to do what's right because I'm looking left and right. And I just don't see anybody else taking the leadership needed on this and talking about the real skeleton in the closet, which is this material recovery and reverse engineering program.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:50.3-00:17:05.4 testimony first hand
301
There was a focused effort to assassinate David Grusch's character and imply he was mentally unstable, using his autism to discredit him.
“there was a pretty focused effort to assassinate your character and ... imply that you were mentally unstable and impeach you as being mentally unstable, having autism, things that they could use to say, well, consider the source.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:17:06.2-00:17:27.6 opinion first hand
302
David Grusch has had post-traumatic stress disorder from his service in Afghanistan.
“Yes, I've had PTSD from Afghanistan.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:17:32.9-00:17:36.3 testimony first hand
303
David Grusch has described himself as a high-functioning individual on the autism spectrum.
“You described yourself as a high functioning individual on the autism spectrum. David Grusch: Yeah.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:17:38.6-00:17:45.6 testimony first hand
304
David Grusch has said his autism cannot be weaponised against him, that he absolutely knows right from wrong, and knows what he knows and what he does not know.
“And you said, I will absolutely say that you cannot weaponize that against me. I absolutely know right from wrong. I know what I know and what I don't know.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:17:46.5-00:17:56.8 testimony first hand
305
Investigators relitigated David Grusch's past post-traumatic stress disorder issues and claimed he had not reported all his mental health issues, launching a large investigation in which he handed over all his medical records and was cleared.
“they did try to relitigate you know past PTSD issues that I reported to every agency ... they tried to relitigate it and claim that I didn't report all my mental health issues, so they launched this huge investigation I handed over all my medical records and of course not you know I was cleared of any you know issues”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:18:12.6-00:18:33.0 testimony first hand
306
After the mental health investigation failed, a criminal investigation was opened on David Grusch and other associates of his, and he was cleared of all wrongdoing.
“They opened up a criminal investigation on me and other individuals, other associates of mine. Of course, that didn't work as well. I was cleared of all wrongdoing there.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:18:35.6-00:18:44.0 testimony first hand
307
A security office at an agency David Grusch used to work at leaked and tipped off a journalist at The Intercept about his post-traumatic stress disorder within a couple of days of his July 2023 congressional testimony.
“a particular security office at a particular agency I used to work at leaked and tipped off about my PTSD and my previous struggles ... to a journalist at The Intercept, literally within a couple days of me testifying in July 2023”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:18:53.4-00:19:10.4 testimony first hand
308
David Grusch considers the leak of his medical history to a journalist an attempt to character assassinate him rather than address his claims.
“to try to shoot the messenger, to try to character assassinate me, not going after my claims. but going after my person”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:19:10.8-00:19:17.4 opinion first hand
309
The post-traumatic stress disorder David Grusch experienced is very common in the veteran community.
“what i experienced PTSD wise is very common in the in the veteran community”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:19:18.5-00:19:22.7 opinion first hand
310
David Grusch has held a security clearance for 21 years and has always maintained it.
“I've always maintained my security clearance, I've had a clearance for 21 years Dr Phil”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:19:25.1-00:19:29.5 testimony first hand
311
Two months before it happened, a friend of David Grusch who had served with him in the United States Air Force and was involved in the same programmes warned him by telephone that material about his post-traumatic stress disorder would be leaked from his security files.
“i was actually warned uh two months in advance hey Dave a friend of mine called me who was involved in these programs that I served in the Air Force with. And he's like, they're going to leak the stuff out of your security files about your PTSD. True story.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:19:39.3-00:19:53.1 testimony second hand
312
David Grusch considers that his opponents are attacking him asymmetrically because they cannot attack the truth he is bringing to the American public.
“that just shows you they're trying to attack me asymmetrically because they can't attack the truth that I'm bringing to the American public.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:20:07.3-00:20:13.9 opinion first hand
313
Phil McGraw considers the attempts to discredit David Grusch part of a psychological operation.
“And we've seen it and it's part of the PSYOP that goes into all of this, sadly.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:20:51.6-00:20:59.2 opinion first hand
314
David Grusch considers that the United States Department of Health and Human Services and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would play a big role in the public response if Donald Trump releases all the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena information.
“I think HHS and Bobby Kennedy, assuming Trump releases all the information is going to play a big role”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:24:58.8-00:25:04.2 opinion first hand
315
David Grusch considers that the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response would need to be involved in coordinating the public response to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena disclosure.
“there's a administration for strategic preparedness readiness called ASPR that would need to be involved as well to coordinate that response”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:05.4-00:25:12.5 opinion first hand
316
David Grusch considers it an undervalued fact that Unidentified Aerial Phenomena disclosure will require a behavioural health and public health communication strategy.
“There's kind of an undervalued fact that you're going to have to have this behavioral health and public health communication strategy.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:15.5-00:25:22.6 opinion first hand
317
People from the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena retrieval programme exfiltrated audiovisual evidence, both video and photographs, for David Grusch to see.
“I had folks from the retrieval program. I'll call it exfiltrates audiovisual evidence for me to see both video and photos.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:26.4-00:25:35.2 testimony first hand
318
The audiovisual evidence shown to David Grusch by people from the retrieval programme depicted retrieved craft.
“And that was audiovisual evidence of the retrieved craft.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:35.6-00:25:38.6 testimony first hand
319
The audiovisual evidence shown to David Grusch also depicted some of the dead cadavers recovered alongside the craft, which he referred to as the pilots in his interview with Nancy Mace.
“some of the dead cadavers that were recovered, you know, call it the pilots, as I said in my interview with Nancy Mace.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:40.0-00:25:46.9 testimony first hand
320
David Grusch interviewed a large number of subjects during his Unidentified Aerial Phenomena investigation.
“And of course, I interviewed a ton of subjects”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:47.8-00:25:50.5 testimony first hand
321
David Grusch brought people with close personal participation in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject, reaching up to the cabinet and White House level, to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG) under the Joe Biden administration, because he had not personally handled the material himself.
“way up to the cabinet White House level that had close personal participation in this subject. And of course, because I wasn't hands on, so to speak, and saw this in person, I brought a lot of those people to the intelligence community inspector general under the Biden administration.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:51.4-00:26:06.3 testimony first hand
322
The witnesses David Grusch referred to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community could provide information on the locations where recovered material is held and where the archive facilities holding the programme records are.
“They can get information on the locations of where this is being hold, where the archives facilities are, where they hold all the program records, et cetera.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:26:10.8-00:26:18.9 testimony first hand
323
David Grusch's complaint to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community was assessed as credible and urgent.
“And of course, this complaint was considered credible and urgent.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:26:19.7-00:26:23.1 administrative first hand
324
In the summer of 2022, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community was required to forward David Grusch's complaint to the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
“Admiral Haynes was forced to send it to the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. in summer 2022”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:26:23.9-00:26:29.2 administrative first hand
325
David Grusch subsequently gave 11 and a half hours of classified testimony to the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
“and then I subsequently provided 11 and a half hours of classified testimony to the Senate and House Intelligence Committees.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:26:29.6-00:26:36.3 testimony first hand
326
The United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence opened a full-field investigation after David Grusch's classified testimony, but there was some fear in those committees, especially in the Senate.
“Unfortunately, from what I understand, there was a little bit of fear in those committees, especially in the Senate, and they did open up some full-field investigation.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:26:37.5-00:26:45.9 hearsay
327
David Grusch believes Mark Warner and Marco Rubio were nervous about escalating their confrontation with the United States intelligence community bureaucracy over the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) issue.
“I think Mark Werner and Marco Rubio were a little nervous to really up the ante with the the deep state that they were tackling”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:26:47.5-00:26:55.2 opinion first hand
328
David Grusch was told unofficially through a back channel that Jake Sullivan and the White House Office of the Counsel to the President instructed Thomas Monheim, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community under Joe Biden, and his staff to stop their investigation because it was running into White House classified special access programs.
“back channeled to me unofficially is uh Jake Sullivan and White House General Counsel Office basically told Tom Monheim who was the inspector general for the intelligence community under Biden and his staff to stop and and they realized they were bumping into White House uh classified programs something called special access programs”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:27:04.0-00:27:22.1 hearsay second hand
329
Thomas Monheim was the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community under the Joe Biden administration.
“Tom Monheim who was the inspector general for the intelligence community under Biden”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:27:10.6-00:27:14.4 administrative first hand
330
Jake Sullivan served as National Security Advisor and attended a number of meetings concerning the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject.
“Jake Sullivan, who's been in many interesting meetings about this subject. So I'd be curious what Mr. Sullivan has to say for himself when he was the National Security Advisor in his history on this topic.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:27:29.2-00:27:41.2 testimony first hand
331
David Grusch is hearing mixed messages about how seriously Stephen Miller is taking the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) issue, and hopes Marco Rubio is helping him at the White House.
“So once again, I hope Secretary Rubio is helping Stephen Miller at the White House because I'm hearing mixed messages about Stephen Miller's seriousness.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:27:41.8-00:27:50.1 opinion first hand
332
David Grusch considers that mishandling the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure would damage Donald Trump's legacy.
“And I hope he understands how this will impact President Trump's legacy if this is botched.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:27:51.5-00:27:56.7 opinion first hand
333
The John F. Kennedy assassination records were released to the public without explanation of what the material means, and David Grusch, a former intelligence officer, has still not reached a conclusion about what happened to John F. Kennedy or whether the Central Intelligence Agency and organised crime killed him.
“I think the JFK files release, unfortunately, it was just released to the public. I think even as a former intel officer, I still haven't come to a conclusion. What happened to JFK? Did CIA and the mob kill him or what? It wasn't. It wasn't, you know, explained to us what all this means.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:27:57.8-00:28:14.0 opinion first hand
334
David Grusch considers that Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) file releases need to be done in a professional way that the public can consume, rather than repeating the approach of the John F. Kennedy assassination records release.
“And I think the same thing needs to happen with the UFO file drops. It needs to be done in a professional way that's consumable for the public.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:28:14.5-00:28:22.3 opinion first hand
335
David Grusch has seen indisputable evidence that there are craft on Earth that did not originate on Earth.
“Phil McGraw: So to be clear, you're saying that you have seen undisputable evidence that there are craft on this planet that are not from this planet, correct? David Grusch: Correct”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:29:56.8-00:30:17.0 testimony first hand
336
David Grusch was first tipped off to the United States programme by gaining access to a peer adversary's mission intelligence reporting about what that adversary believed was happening in the United States.
“I got tipped off initially, I got access, I have to be careful, because some of this is still classified, to a peer adversary's mission intelligence reporting about what they thought was going on in the U.S.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:30:18.3-00:30:31.8 testimony first hand
337
David Grusch learned more about United States retrieval and reverse engineering of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) from a peer adversary's intelligence reporting than he did officially from his own government, until he began searching archives and speaking to people who supplied him with programme documentation.
“And I learned more from a particular peer adversary about what the U.S. was doing in terms of retrieval and reverse engineering of UAP than I learned from my own government officially until I started spelunking in different archives, talking to people that were able to provide me program documentation, et cetera.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:30:32.6-00:30:51.4 testimony first hand
338
An individual cleared David Grusch into a programme through which he learned some of the signatures the recovered craft emit, how the United States tracks them, and how that tracking of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) is hidden in plain sight within the national intelligence architecture.
“And then I had an individual that cleared me into a program that I could learn some of the signatures that we've we've learned that these craft admit and how the US tracks it and how they hide the tracking of UAP within the national intelligence architecture in plain sight”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:30:52.3-00:31:09.3 testimony first hand
339
The concealment of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) tracking works because certain hardware and back-end software processing was designed so that an observer would never know what the system was actually built to do.
“you would never know that that was what it was actually designed to do because everything was buried and certain hardware and certain software processing was on the back end and you would never know that certain things were designed to do so.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:31:12.3-00:31:26.3 testimony first hand
340
The Defense Intelligence Agency has refused to release to the United States Congress the classified foreign intelligence reporting about United States retrieval and reverse engineering of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“And once again, that foreign intelligence reporting, the Defense Intelligence Agency has refused to release those classified documents to Congress”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:31:26.7-00:31:36.4 testimony first hand
341
Eric Burlison is likely to press Defense Intelligence Agency leadership to obtain the withheld classified foreign intelligence reporting on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“and I know Representative Burlison is likely going to pulse DIA leadership to get that.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:31:37.1-00:31:42.2 testimony first hand
342
David Grusch considers that a day spent on the top secret intelligence community network would yield a large volume of low-hanging-fruit information, accessible to many people with systems access, that is more interesting than the material released so far.
“I can sit on the top secret intelligence community network for about one day, and I can pull a ton of information like that, that just low hanging fruit that many people can access who have systems access in that system and release a ton of more interesting stuff than you're seeing right now.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:31:45.7-00:32:02.9 opinion first hand
343
Presidents have in the past been briefed on social, psychological and national security concerns relating to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject.
“besides some of the social, psychological, national security concerns, et cetera, that have been mentioned to presidents in the past that have been briefed.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:32:10.2-00:32:19.6 testimony first hand
344
David Grusch considers that Stephen Miller should enlist Devin Nunes and his staff to help break the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) issue open.
“And I hope that Stephen Miller has the wherewithal and seriousness to break this open. and enlist the help of certain other people like Devin Nunes”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:32:21.5-00:32:29.6 opinion first hand
345
Devin Nunes is the chair of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board.
“Devin Nunes, who's the chair of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:32:29.3-00:32:32.9 administrative first hand
346
David Grusch does not want to return to full-time government work.
“I never want to go back to government full-time.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:32:42.8-00:32:44.3 testimony first hand
347
David Grusch works part-time as a professional staff member for Eric Burlison.
“Obviously, I'm a professional staff member for Representative Burlison part-time”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:32:44.9-00:32:47.9 administrative first hand
348
David Grusch says he knows who to call and which doors to knock on to resolve the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) issue quickly for Donald Trump if he were called in to help.
“certainly they could, you know, ring me up if they needed to, you know, call me in to help solve this very, very quickly for the president because I know who to call and what doors to knock on.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:32:50.6-00:32:59.9 opinion first hand
349
The number of craft of non-human origin recovered and held is more than 25 but fewer than 100.
“Phil McGraw: Are we talking five, six, 25, 50? What are we talking about? David Grusch: Under 100 but more than 25 is what i could say”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:21.3-00:33:30.1 testimony first hand
350
Starting in the early 2000s, when large sums were siphoned for the global war on terror, major defence contractors began conducting their own off-books retrievals of craft under the cognisance of certain government agencies.
“starting in the early 2000s when a lot of money was siphoned for the global war terror the the big defense contractors started doing their own uh retrievals sort of off books you know under the cognizance of certain government agencies”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:34.0-00:33:46.6 testimony first hand
351
A substantial amount of recovered craft material is in private possession within defence contractor space, and the United States government does not have a full accounting of it, making exact numbers hard to establish.
“so there's a lot in i'll call it you know private possession in defense contractor space that I think the government doesn't have a full accounting on. So it's really hard to get exact numbers.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:47.7-00:33:58.6 opinion first hand
352
Several dozen vehicles of non-human origin have been recovered over the last eight or nine decades.
“But certainly we've recovered several dozen dozen vehicles over the last eight, nine decades or so.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:59.8-00:34:05.7 testimony first hand
353
The recovered craft include disc-shaped vehicles.
“There's a lot of vehicle types. You have the disc.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:16.2-00:34:20.4 testimony first hand
354
The recovered craft include a sunfish or boot-heel shaped vehicle type.
“You have the sunfish boot heel looking thing.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:21.0-00:34:23.4 testimony first hand
355
The recovered craft include boomerang-shaped vehicles.
“You have boomerangs.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:23.8-00:34:24.0 testimony first hand
356
The recovered craft include crescent-moon shaped vehicles.
“You have crescent moon looking craft.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:24.8-00:34:26.2 testimony first hand
357
The recovered craft include Tic Tac shaped Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“You have tic tacs.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:26.8-00:34:28.3 testimony first hand
358
The recovered craft include egg-shaped vehicles.
“You have egg looking craft as well.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:29.3-00:34:31.2 testimony first hand
359
The origin of the recovered craft is very hard to deduce because it is not known from what point in space or time they came.
“Certainly, it's very hard to deduce origin because it's not like we know exactly what point in space or time these things came from.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:32.6-00:34:40.6 opinion first hand
360
There are different types of pilots and different types of craft, with some similarities in operational technology, comparable to how many manufacturers build sports cars in the shape of a Porsche 911 or a Ford Mustang while the drivers of those cars differ.
“But different types of pilots, if you will, different types of crafts, some similarities in operation technology. It's sort of like if you're a car manufacturer. A lot of people build sports cars that are in the shape of a Porsche 911 or a Ford Mustang. But there's many different drivers of said sports cars”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:34:41.2-00:35:01.7 opinion first hand
361
The intelligences associated with the phenomenon span a taxonomy ranging from familiar types that seem only slightly more advanced than humans to indescribable, non-corporeal forms of sentience.
“So its uh you know a whole taxonomy of different intelligences from very familiar type of intelligence where they seem just a little more advanced than us to indescribable, non-corporeal type of sentience”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:35:04.2-00:35:20.2 testimony first hand
362
The orb phenomenon that emerged in the Tranche 4 UAP document release involves luminous orbs appearing at a sensitive test range, an issue the administration is contending with.
“goes back to the orb phenomenon that came out in Tranche 4, that the administration is having this issue with these luminous orbs showing up at a certain sensitive test range.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:35:21.1-00:35:30.8 testimony first hand
363
The luminous orbs appearing at a sensitive test range are visibly intelligently controlled and arrive in groups.
“You can see that it's intelligently controlled. They come in groups.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:35:32.9-00:35:36.1 opinion first hand
364
The luminous orbs seen at a sensitive test range are not ball lightning but a plasmoid type of intelligence.
“This isn't just a ball lightning here, but it's this, you know, plasmoid type intelligence.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:35:37.1-00:35:42.0 opinion first hand
365
David Grusch considers it possible that a structured craft lies behind the luminous orbs and that the plasma discharge is an artefact of the craft's propulsion system.
“Now there might be a structured craft behind said plasmoid and that plasma discharge might be an artifact of the propulsion system possibly”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:35:42.7-00:35:50.2 opinion first hand
366
David Grusch has seen pictures or video of the life forms piloting the recovered craft, and of cadavers.
“Phil McGraw: And you have also seen pictures or video or both of life forms that are piloting these craft as well. You've seen the cadavers. David Grusch: Yeah.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:01.7-00:36:20.4 testimony first hand
367
Some of the craft that have been assessed are likely drones.
“Some of the craft we've assessed that are likely drones”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:21.1-00:36:23.5 testimony first hand
368
It is historically true, as claimed in public lore, that some recovered vehicles were empty with no pilots present.
“it is true in some of the lore in the public space, we've recovered vehicles that were empty and the pilots were not there. That actually, is a true historical statement.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:26.7-00:36:35.7 testimony first hand
369
Some of the recovered craft were piloted.
“But yes, some of it was piloted.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:36.2-00:36:37.8 testimony first hand
370
David Grusch feels uncomfortable discussing the pilots of the recovered craft because it is an ontologically shocking subject, even though it is his reality.
“And I always find, even though it is my reality, I always feel uncomfortable talking about that because it is such an ontologically shocking thing to talk about the pilots.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:38.5-00:36:49.0 opinion first hand
371
The pilots of the recovered craft look just like what credible witnesses have reported seeing.
“But what do you know? They look just like what people have reported seeing, like credible witnesses.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:50.6-00:36:55.7 testimony first hand
372
In 1994, 80 schoolchildren at the Ariel School in Ruwa, Zimbabwe saw beings that popular culture would describe as small grey aliens.
“You look at the aerial school event. in 1994 where 80 school children in Zimbabwe saw what we would call in pop culture speak gray small gray aliens exactly the way you think”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:56.8-00:37:08.8 testimony first hand
373
Some of the beings David Grusch saw look exactly as reported by credible observers who had nothing to gain and everything to lose by discussing their experience.
“and what do you know some of them look exactly as reported uh by you know credible observers that have nothing to you know gain and everything to lose by discussing their experience”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:09.5-00:37:20.7 testimony first hand
374
John Mack was a trained psychiatrist at Harvard University who studied people who had had experiences with the phenomenon.
“it even goes back to the work of John Mack at Harvard who was a trained a psychiatrist looking at people that have had these experiences with the phenomenon.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:21.6-00:37:29.8 administrative first hand
375
John Mack concluded that something real is occurring in the experiences reported by people who encountered the phenomenon, and that it is not a psychosomatic condition or a mental health condition.
“And he deduced something is going on. This is not some, you know, psychosomatic thing or some mental health condition.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:30.6-00:37:38.2 hearsay second hand
376
People have had personal experiences with the phenomenon over the eons, and the subject remains stigmatised.
“And, you know, people over the eons have had these personal experiences with these things. And that is a sensitive subject that I know is still kind of stigmatized, unfortunately.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:38.8-00:37:48.5 opinion first hand
377
Pilots or occupants of the recovered craft have been taken alive, to David Grusch's knowledge.
“Phil McGraw: Have any of these... pilots or occupants of these craft, to your knowledge, been taken alive? David Grusch: Yes.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:50.2-00:37:58.9 testimony first hand
378
David Grusch knows people who have had direct interactions with occupants of recovered craft in a detainment situation.
“And I know people who have had direct interactions in a detainment situation, which sounds very Star Trek and sounds very crazy, but it is true.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:59.6-00:38:12.3 testimony second hand
379
David Grusch discussed the detainment of craft occupants with a former cabinet member who directly worked the issue for Dick Cheney when Cheney was vice president.
“And I talked to a cabinet member, a former cabinet member about that, who directly worked the issue for a particular former vice president. You can guess which one. Darth Vader.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:38:12.6-00:38:22.4 testimony second hand
380
Some form of consciousness communication, commonly called telepathy, took place with the detained occupants of recovered craft, though David Grusch cannot explain how it works.
“Phil McGraw: Were they able to communicate? David Grusch: Yes. Yes. And it is true that some sort of consciousness communication, you know, of course, people call it telepathy. I cannot begin to tell you how it works, but there is some sort of communication like that”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:38:23.5-00:38:43.2 testimony second hand
381
Friends of David Grusch who took part in craft retrievals felt a form of consciousness communication as they approached the vehicle while waiting for transport.
“and even friends of mine that were on retrievals felt that kind of communication as they approach the vehicle when they were doing a you know coordinating it off waiting for transport.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:38:43.7-00:38:53.5 hearsay second hand
382
David Grusch has had no personal experience of telepathic communication or anything else outside his normal human experience.
“I have no personal experience with anything like that that's outside of my normal human experience.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:39:04.9-00:39:11.0 testimony first hand
383
David Grusch confirmed there is great interest in the propulsion systems of the retrieved craft as a motive for the reverse engineering effort.
“Phil McGraw: I assume there's great interest in their propulsion system and how they're doing what they're doing. David Grusch: Yes.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:41:14.4-00:41:21.4 testimony first hand
384
David Grusch was cleared into some of the results of the reverse engineering effort.
“i was i was cleared into some of the fruits of our labor so to speak”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:41:45.8-00:41:48.7 testimony first hand
385
David Grusch considered that a number of the programmes he was cleared into were defrauding the American taxpayer, because the United States Congress authorises and appropriates funds against a declared set of classified programmes while a carved-out base of technology is sequestered outside that reporting.
“there was a lot of programs uh that once again i thought we were defrauding the american taxpayer because you have a certain smorgasbord of classified programs reported to congress and then congress authorizes and appropriates funds the funds said programs, but then you have this carved out base of technology that is sequestered”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:41:49.3-00:42:10.4 opinion first hand
386
Much of the sequestered technology has civil applications that would help humanity, could be responsibly introduced into society and would fuel different economies.
“and a lot of it has civil application that would, you know, help humanity. ... But there's a lot of things that I see civil application and that could be responsibly introduced into society to help us and to also fuel different economies and whatnot.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:42:11.5-00:42:30.8 opinion first hand
387
David Grusch must be careful not to identify technologies that the federal government does not acknowledge.
“And I have to be careful not to infer certain technologies that are unacknowledged by the federal governments.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:42:16.2-00:42:21.4 testimony first hand
388
There are extrasolar planets around nearby stars within our own galaxy.
“However, within our own galaxy, there's extrasolar planets around other nearby stars.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:42:39.9-00:42:45.6 testimony first hand
389
David Grusch cautions against ascribing the whole phenomenon merely to the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which he considers only one piece of the explanation.
“But I do caution to ascribe this whole phenomenon as merely just extraterrestrial. That's certainly a piece of the pie. That's likely what some of this is.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:42:46.8-00:42:57.2 opinion first hand
390
David Grusch considers that some of the anomalous intelligences may be ultraterrestrial, having originated on Earth, left, and returned.
“But there's other taxonomies of anomalous intelligences, we'll call it, that perhaps it's ultra-terrestrial. Perhaps it grew up here, and it left, and it came back.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:42:57.9-00:43:10.0 opinion first hand
391
David Grusch raises a shadow biome as another possible origin of the phenomenon, and notes that 70 per cent of Earth's oceans are not understood, so an advanced intelligence may have developed on the seabed.
“there's you know shadow biome there's other types of origins you know there's uh under the sea that we don't understand 70 of our oceans and what advanced intelligence might have uh developed on the seabed so to speak a wink wink”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:43:11.1-00:43:24.9 opinion first hand
392
David Grusch did not have full exposure to the United States government's holdings and analysis of the phenomenon and does not have all the answers.
“i certainly don't have all the answers and i'm not omnipotent and did not have full exposure of the U.S. government's holdings and analysis of that.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:43:29.6-00:43:37.8 testimony first hand
393
David Grusch considers that none of the possible origins of the phenomenon conflicts with basic Judeo-Christian theology, and suspects a good portion of it is not traditionally extraterrestrial.
“But we need to be open to a lot of different possible origins, none of which I think conflicts with basic Judeo-Christian theology. ... because I suspect a good portion of this is not traditionally extraterrestrial, so to speak.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:43:38.7-00:43:56.5 opinion first hand
394
David Grusch knew where the recovered craft were stored only up to the date on which his source at that facility worked there.
“Yeah, the problem with that is I knew where they were historically up until the date and time that my source at that facility worked at it.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:15.1-00:44:23.5 testimony second hand
395
David Grusch recently told an element of Stephen Miller's task force that they will have to get eyes onto the facilities holding recovered craft.
“And this is something I told an element of Mr. Miller's task force recently is they're gonna have to get eyes onto those facilities”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:23.6-00:44:30.1 testimony first hand
396
A programme protection strategy exists to move movable archives and materials if a holding location is believed to have been exposed.
“um there is a program protection strategy unfortunately to move movable archives and materials if they feel like the location has been burned or exposed”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:31.5-00:44:40.5 testimony first hand
397
Central Intelligence Agency programmes moved archives and materials in exactly this way during the era of the Church Committee and the Pike Committee.
“that's exactly what some of these CIA programs did during the Church Pike era so that's not a kind of a conspiracy theory”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:41.6-00:44:47.7 testimony first hand
398
Until a couple of years before 2026-08-11, David Grusch was aware of both United States government facilities and contractor facilities that held documentation, material holdings and cadavers.
“so up until a couple years ago i was aware of U.S Government facilities and contractor facilities that both had the documentation and the material holdings uh and the cadavers”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:48.1-00:44:59.7 testimony first hand
399
David Grusch no longer has a source inside the facility holding the material and so cannot confirm the holdings were still there as of 2026-08-11.
“but once again you know i'm out of the biz i don't have a mole at that facility anymore that can tell me on august 11th 2026 it's still there unfortunately and that's just my own limitation”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:45:02.3-00:45:14.1 testimony first hand
400
David Grusch knows what Donald Trump was briefed on during his previous term and what Marco Rubio was briefed on regarding the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject.
“however you know i certainly know what the president was briefed on in his previous you know term and certainly what know Secretary Rubio was briefed on as well”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:45:15.2-00:45:24.6 testimony first hand
401
David Grusch considers that resolving the matter requires search and seizure activity at the identified facilities and the deposition of witnesses holding the information.
“and so it's up to them to do a search and seizure activity at those locations and also depose witnesses that have that information.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:45:27.2-00:45:36.3 opinion first hand
402
If summoned, David Grusch would resolve the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) issue quickly and assemble a group of expert investigators for Donald Trump.
“So once again, certainly if I ever got summoned, I would solve this very quickly and call up the A-Team for the president if you wanted to get control of this issue.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:45:37.1-00:45:47.0 opinion first hand
403
Phil McGraw considers that David Grusch's character has been attacked and many things said about him, but that he has not been proven wrong.
“you know, they've said a lot of things about you, they've attacked your character, they've done a lot of different things, but they haven't proven you wrong.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:45:59.1-00:46:10.5 opinion first hand
404
David Grusch believes he could take Phil McGraw, if cleared by the president, to facilities in the western United States where a craft and a cadaver could be seen.
“Phil McGraw: you have the ability to take me to where we could see a craft and a cadaver somewhere, somehow. you believe you could- David Grusch: Oh yeah, we could take a little field trip out west, we'll say. Yeah, and we could certainly go to those facilities, so.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:46:46.4-00:47:06.2 opinion first hand
405
David Grusch considers that some holding locations are likely untouched because certain items are of a size that makes them laborious to move.
“Yeah, sometimes certain things are hard to move. When they're a particular size, it's a little bit laborious to move. So I think there's some locations that likely are untouched because I'll be very vague on that, not to spook the herd.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:47:23.3-00:47:38.1 opinion first hand
406
Some recovered craft have been moved to the private aerospace industry in order to keep them outside the reach of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
“Phil McGraw: Do you think some of these have been moved to the private aerospace industry? in order to keep them outside of FOIA? David Grusch: Certainly, yeah.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:14.0-00:48:24.7 testimony first hand
407
Moving recovered craft to private corporations also keeps the funding outside congressional oversight, since non-appropriated dollars are used.
“And also keeping the funding outside of congressional oversight. So if you're using non-appropriated dollars and you're using a corporation whose net profits are be”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:25.4-00:48:35.6 testimony first hand
408
In the early 2000s the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) ran a programme called the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“there was a DIA program in the early 2000s called AAWSAP”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:39.6-00:48:42.0 testimony first hand
409
Personnel on the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) attempted to get Lockheed Martin to transfer recovered material to them outside the programme for study.
“They were actually trying to get Lockheed Martin to transfer material to them outside the program for study, kind of outside the onion, so to speak.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:43.3-00:48:52.0 testimony first hand
410
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) leadership denied the request to transfer recovered material from Lockheed Martin to the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“But CIA leadership denied that.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:52.4-00:48:54.9 testimony first hand
411
David Grusch has the account of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) blocking the Lockheed Martin material transfer on what he describes as very good authority.
“I have it on very good authority that that's that happened”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:55.3-00:48:58.3 testimony second hand
412
David Grusch attended a classified meeting with Representative Eric Burlison in which he challenged the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) of the United States Department of Defense.
“I challenged DOD arrows office last year in a meeting. I was in a in a classified meeting with Representative Burlison”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:01.5-00:49:07.5 testimony first hand
413
David Grusch offered the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) that he would cross-examine witnesses on its behalf.
“Okay, well, I will cross examine witnesses for you.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:10.4-00:49:13.0 testimony first hand
414
David Grusch named several current and former government officials who ran programmes on behalf of the government and provided the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) with several leads.
“I named several current former government officials that ran these programs. on behalf of the government and provided them several leads”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:13.3-00:49:20.8 testimony first hand
415
David Grusch has an unusual talent for interrogations and interviews based on his career in the intelligence community.
“based on my career in the IC doing certain things i have an unusual talent for uh negotiate you know interrogations and interviews”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:27.1-00:49:34.2 opinion first hand
416
The All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) has not contacted David Grusch in the 15 months since he made his offer to cross-examine witnesses.
“it's been 15 months and AARO ghosted me and never contacted me again”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:36.4-00:49:40.4 testimony first hand
417
David Grusch considers that the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) likely avoided him because it feared what he would extract from the individuals he named.
“because i guess they were likely afraid of um you know what i would say or do or extract from these individuals”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:40.8-00:49:47.1 opinion first hand
418
David Grusch considers the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) to be a troubled organisation.
“it's actually quite sad that that organization is as troubled as it is.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:47.7-00:49:52.3 opinion first hand
419
David Grusch offered to question senior executives in front of the leadership of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), and the offer was never taken up.
“But I even offered to grill the senior executives in front of the AARO leadership. And unfortunately, they never took me up on my offer.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:49:52.9-00:50:00.7 testimony first hand
420
David Grusch has days on which he regrets having become involved in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) topic.
“there's certainly days that, you know, I regret even getting involved in the topic.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:50:42.2-00:50:45.6 testimony first hand
421
Before becoming involved in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) topic, David Grusch had at best an average interest in it.
“I had an average at interest at best, you know, prior to getting involved”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:50:46.5-00:50:50.0 testimony first hand
422
David Grusch and his family have made many sacrifices as a result of his involvement in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) topic.
“I've made a lot of sacrifices. You know, my family's made a lot of sacrifices”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:50:51.0-00:50:54.0 testimony first hand
423
Friends and coworkers of David Grusch were harmed as a result of his involvement in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) topic.
“friends were harmed and, and coworkers.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:50:55.8-00:50:57.5 testimony first hand
424
David Grusch lives with mental, emotional and psychological scars from his involvement in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) topic.
“I live with that burden and a lot of, a lot of mental, emotional, and psychological scars”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:51:00.2-00:51:04.5 testimony first hand
425
David Grusch hopes Donald Trump delivers on his promise regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure.
“i really hope that President Trump uh delivers on his promise”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:51:07.8-00:51:10.9 opinion first hand
426
David Grusch considers Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure, rather than the war in Iran, the single issue that will define Donald Trump's legacy.
“i think this is going to be the the singular thing that's going to define his legacy believe it or not i think it's not going to be the war in iran”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:51:11.4-00:51:18.6 opinion first hand
427
David Grusch considers that Stephen Miller and Donald Trump's team need to realise that Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure will be the defining moment of Trump's legacy.
“i think Mr Miller and the president's team needs to realize this is going to be the defining moment of his legacy”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:51:25.0-00:51:31.3 opinion first hand
428
David Grusch considers that the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) information will come out even if Donald Trump does not disclose it.
“even if Trump doesn't disclose you know this is coming out the genies out of the bottle now”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:51:32.2-00:51:37.6 opinion first hand
429
David Grusch considers that George W. Bush and other past presidents had access to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) information and will be asked what they knew and why they did not release it.
“what did the President know and why didn't he you know get the information out and that goes to W Bush. That goes to you know other Presidents in the past that were will access this information”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:51:40.2-00:51:50.7 opinion first hand
430
David Grusch was a United States Air Force officer.
“I was an air force officer”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:52:08.4-00:52:09.0 testimony first hand
431
David Grusch has been open about his post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) from Afghanistan.
“I know you've been, as you say, been very open about your PTSD and all from Afghanistan.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:52:25.4-00:52:32.3 testimony second hand
432
David Grusch lives remotely in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado.
“That's another reason why I live remote Rocky Mountains.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:52:51.3-00:52:53.8 testimony first hand
433
David Grusch hikes with his dog every day.
“And I hike with my dog every day.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:52:54.3-00:52:56.2 testimony first hand
434
David Grusch's wife is a medical professional.
“And I credit my wife, who's a medical professional.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:53:00.9-00:53:02.9 testimony first hand
435
David Grusch's wife was trained by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
“So she was well-trained by the CIA.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:53:13.5-00:53:15.4 testimony first hand
436
David Grusch credits much of his resilience to his wife's support.
“And I definitely credit a lot of my resilience from her support honestly”
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David Grusch's wife wrote in Phil McGraw and Oprah Winfrey in 2008 as write-in candidates for president and vice president.
“she wanted me to tell you that she wrote you and oprah in in 2008 as candidates for president and vice president as writing candidates”
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Phil McGraw considers David Grusch to have shown courage in stepping up and bringing hidden matters to light.
“it's people like David who have the courage to step up and shine lights on things that we otherwise wouldn't know were going on”
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A permanent United States intelligence community bureaucracy kept control of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena issue across decades while political appointees came and went without many of them knowing about it.
“kind of the intelligentsia deep state ... kept that torch burning and controlled the issue and allowed the political appointees to essentially come and go without many of them knowing.”
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David Grusch discussed his decision to go public at length with his wife, who understood the background of his investigation and knew the intelligence community's tricks.
“I had a long discussion with my wife ... understood a lot of the background of my investigation and the terrorism that I faced and knew the intelligence community's tricks.”
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David Grusch hopes Donald Trump delivers on his promise regarding UAP disclosure, and considers it likely to be the singular thing which defines Trump's legacy.
““I hope President Trump delivers on his promise – I think this is going to be the singular thing which is going to define his legacy.””
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David Grusch believes the responsibility for UAP disclosure now rests with Donald Trump's inner circle, and that even if Trump doesn't disclose, people will look back and ask what the President knew and why he didn't get the information out.
““Mr Miller and the President’s team need to realise this is going to be the defining moment of his legacy, because even if Trump doesn’t disclose, the genie is out of the bottle now and we’re going to look back on ‘what did the President know and why didn’t he get the information out?’””
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David Grusch is prepared to provide a full historical accounting to the National Security Council principals and the White House Chief of Staff, and to make any supporting public statements that are authorised, to help the Trump administration move UAP disclosure forward.
““provide a full historical accounting to the National Security Council principals, the White House Chief of Staff and make any supporting public statements that are authorised to help this administration move disclosure forward.””
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David Grusch is ready to assist the Trump administration in identifying the records, programmes and personnel involved in classified UAP activities, and in bringing any improperly concealed activities back under lawful presidential and congressional oversight.
“He added that he is ready to assist the administration in identifying the records, programs and personnel involved in classified UAP activities, and in bringing “any improperly concealed activities back under lawful presidential and congressional oversight.””
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David Grusch called on Donald Trump to give authorisation, stating that he and other whistleblowers are ready to go.
““Mr President, give us the authorisation, and we’re ready to go.””
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David Grusch is a Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) whistleblower and former United States Air Force intelligence officer.
“Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) whistleblower and former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer David Grusch”
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In the latest episode of his podcast with George Knapp, Robert Bigelow took a more cautious stance on UAP disclosure than David Grusch, emphasising the need to protect secrecy.
“in the latest episode he appeared to take a more cautious stance on disclosure than Grusch, emphasising the need to protect secrecy”
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