Brief
Harold E. Puthoff
The claims the writer was given for Harold E. Puthoff, in the order they were given.
1
Thomas Wilson was not familiar with the names Hal Puthoff and Kit Green.
“TW not familiar with names, heard about RV program in 1990.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:23637-23691 testimony first hand
2
Thomas Wilson said he might be willing to talk to Hal Puthoff and would think about it.
“Maybe/maybe not for Hal - would think about it.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:23698-23742 opinion first hand
3
Will Miller apologised to Eric W. Davis and Hal Puthoff for not responding sooner, citing the "fog of war", current business activity, and losing Davis's new e-mail address as contributing causes.
“I must apologize to you and Hal for not getting back with you sooner. The "fog of war", current business activity, and losing your new e-mail address all contributed to the delay, which I regret.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:3159-3347 administrative second hand
4
Will Miller asked whether Eric W. Davis and/or Hal Puthoff would be interested in meeting Bob Beckwith in Tallahassee, Florida on the evening of 30 May.
“First, I must ask if you and/or Hal would be interested in meeting Mr. Bob Beckwith in Tallahassee, FL the evening of May 30th.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:3356-3478 administrative second hand
5
Will Miller offered to assist Eric W. Davis and Hal Puthoff with their ongoing research into UFO crash retrievals and the entities within or outside government involved in that business, subject to caveats.
“I would be willing to assist you and Hal with your ongoing research into UFO crash retrievals and the entities within the government (or outside of it) that are involved in that business, with the following caveats.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:3984-4191 administrative second hand
6
Will Miller required that there be no mention or association of his name with Eric W. Davis's and Hal Puthoff's work or investigation, stating he had nothing to gain from such association and possibly much to lose.
“First, there must be absolutely NO mention or association of my name with your work or investigation. I have absolutely nothing to gain from such association at this time, and possibly much to lose.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:4201-4394 administrative second hand
7
In 1973, Pat Price, one of the leading psychics in the Stanford Research Institute's remote viewing programme, gave Hal Puthoff an unsolicited package containing his remote-viewing notes describing four alleged "UFO bases" on Earth.
“In 1973 Pat Price, one of the “stars” of the Stanford Research Institute’s (SRI) genesis RV program, gave an unsolicited package to Hal Puthoff, one of the key scientists running the SRI project. It contained Price’s remote viewing notes of four “UFO bases” on Earth.”
Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence for Alien Abductions 2005-11-14 ch23:30560-30821 testimony first hand
8
Hal Puthoff was uncertain what to make of Pat Price's remote-viewing notes but was confident of Price's remarkable psychic skills.
“Puthoff didn’t know what to think, but he was sure of Price’s remarkable psychic skills.”
Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence for Alien Abductions 2005-11-14 ch23:30828-30909 opinion first hand
9
Hal Puthoff contacted the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) station chief of Pine Gap, whom he knew, to ask if anything unusual was going on in the area.
“Because he knew the then CIA station chief of Pine Gap, Puthoff contacted him, asking if anything unusual was going on in the area.”
Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence for Alien Abductions 2005-11-14 ch23:31163-31289 testimony first hand
10
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) station chief at Pine Gap told Hal Puthoff there wasn't much going on beyond routine intelligence gathering, except for reported UFO activity around Mt. Zeil, about 140 kilometres to the west.
“His friend said there wasn’t much going on beyond the routine of intelligence gathering, except for maybe the UFO activity that was being reported around Mt. Zeil, which was about 140 kilometres to the west.”
Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence for Alien Abductions 2005-11-14 ch23:31295-31497 hearsay third hand
11
Hal Puthoff was intrigued that Pat Price's remote-viewing location for the alleged Australian alien base was Mt. Zeil.
“Puthoff was intrigued, as Price’s RV location of the alleged Australian “alien base” was Mt. Zeil!”
Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence for Alien Abductions 2005-11-14 ch23:31503-31596 opinion first hand
12
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's report on SRI International's remote viewing research, persons with no previous exposure to remote viewing concepts, such as visiting government scientists and contract monitors, learned to perform well under the experimental procedure developed at SRI.
“The development at SRI of a successful experimental procedure to elicit this capability has evolved to the point where persons such as visiting government scientists and contract monitors, with no previous exposure to such concepts, have learned to perform well”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:2166-2423 observation second hand
13
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's report, subjects who trained over a one-year period performed excellently under a variety of experimental conditions at SRI International.
“subjects who have trained over a one-year period have performed excellently under a variety of experimental conditions.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:2433-2541 observation second hand
14
Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's accumulated SRI International data indicated that both specially selected and unselected persons could be assisted in developing remote perceptual abilities up to a level of useful information transfer.
“Our accumulated data thus indicate that both specially selected and unselected persons can be assisted in developing remote perceptual abilities up to a level of useful information transfer.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:2553-2734 observation second hand
15
Joseph McMoneagle considers that "perform well" in Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International report did not imply world-class remote viewing, but rather the ability to display psychic functioning under controlled conditions, achieving a better-than-chance result.
“What they actually mean here is the ability to display psychic functioning under controlled conditions (or achieving a better than chance result).”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:3129-3267 opinion first hand
16
Most of the subjects Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ worked with at SRI International displayed some degree of remote viewing talent from the outset.
“most of the people Hal and Russell worked with were the ones who: A: Displayed some degree of talent from the outset.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:3847-3958 observation
17
Most of the subjects Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ worked with at SRI International voluntarily chose to continue their involvement out of a strong personal interest in remote viewing, a form of self-selection.
“B: Voluntarily chose to continue involvement out of a strong personal interest in the subject (which is obviously a form of self-selection).”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:3967-4096 observation
18
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should have the ability to process information within a high-stimulation environment, such as a Ganzfeld setting.
“1: Subjects should have ability to process information within a high stimulation environment (e.g., a gansfeld setting).”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:4766-4877 observation second hand
19
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should be self-selected.
“2: Subjects should be self-selected.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5174-5201 observation second hand
20
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should be able to learn through example.
“3: Subjects should be able to learn through example.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5212-5256 observation second hand
21
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should be open to the probability of paranormal information transfer.
“4: Subjects should be open to the probability of paranormal information transfer.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5266-5338 observation second hand
22
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should be able to deal with public scrutiny, negative reactions of society, ridicule, and failure.
“5: Subjects should be able to deal with public scrutiny, the negative reactions of society, and ridicule as well as failure.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5349-5465 observation second hand
23
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should have an artistic talent capable of expressing their perceptions, such as drawing or sketching.
“6: Subjects should have an artistic talent capable of expressing their perceptions, e.g., drawing, sketching, etc.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5475-5585 observation second hand
24
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should be capable of providing imaginative, out-of-the-box solutions to problems.
“7: Subjects should be capable of providing imaginative (out of the box) solutions to problems.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5699-5784 observation second hand
25
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should demonstrate right-brain specialisation characteristics, such as a flair for musical rhythm and melody or a higher creative sense for shape, form, and texture.
“8: Subjects should demonstrate right brain specialization characteristics, such as a flair for musical rhythm and melody, or a higher creative sense for shape, form, and texture.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5795-5965 observation second hand
26
According to Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's SRI International observations, remote viewing subjects should have a preference for reporting non-analytic data over a need to produce function or name the target.
“9: Subjects should have a preference for reporting non-analytic data over a need for producing function or naming the target.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch16:5975-6093 observation second hand
27
The Outbounder Remote Viewing protocol is historically the baseline protocol that brought notoriety to remote viewing following its publication in the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) journal by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ in 1976.
“Historically this is the baseline protocol that brought notoriety to remote viewing following publication in the IEEE by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ in 1976.”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch17:4388-4541 administrative first hand
28
Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ were directly responsible for the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory's accomplishments during the early years, 1972 through 1986.
“These accomplishments were and are directly attributable to Dr. Hal Puthoff and Mr. Russell Targ in the early years, 1972 through 1986”
Remote Viewing Secrets 2013-03-22 ch9:7692-7822 administrative first hand
29
Luis Elizondo has joined Harold E. Puthoff and Christopher K. Mellon, another former Department of Defense official who was a deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, in a new commercial venture called To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.
“Mr. Elizondo has now joined Mr. Puthoff and another former Defense Department official, Christopher K. Mellon, who was a deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, in a new commercial venture called To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.”
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:12517-12762 administrative
30
Luis Elizondo, Harold E. Puthoff and Christopher K. Mellon are speaking publicly about their efforts as To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science aims to raise money for research into UFOs.
“They are speaking publicly about their efforts as their venture aims to raise money for research into U.F.O.s.”
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:12771-12879 administrative
31
Harold E. Puthoff compared the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program's (AATIP) research position to what would happen if you gave Leonardo da Vinci a garage-door opener, suggesting he would not understand the electromagnetic signals involved or its function.
““We’re sort of in the position of what would happen if you gave Leonardo da Vinci a garage-door opener,” said Harold E. Puthoff... “First of all, he’d try to figure out what is this plastic stuff. He wouldn’t know anything about the electromagnetic signals involved or its function.””
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:9862-10197 opinion first hand
32
Harold E. Puthoff is an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception (ESP) for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and later worked as a contractor for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“said Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor for the program.”
Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program 2017-12-16 char:9966-10112 administrative
33
One page of the 2009 Harry Reid memo shows that the names of Luis Elizondo and Hal Puthoff were redacted by KLAS-TV on its initial release, for unknown reasons.
“[caption: One page from the 2009 Harry Reid memo, showing Mr. Luis Elizondo and Dr. Hal Puthoff were redacted by KLAS-TV on the initial release, for unknown reasons.]”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:1708-1864 administrative
34
The 2009 Harry Reid memo previously had the names of Luis Elizondo and Hal Puthoff redacted.
“previously had the names of Mr. Elizondo, along with another name well-established to have worked within the program, Dr. Hal Puthoff, redacted.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:2401-2536 administrative
35
Hal Puthoff is well established to have worked within the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“another name well-established to have worked within the program, Dr. Hal Puthoff”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:2454-2527 administrative
36
It remains unclear why George Knapp and Matt Adams, or their source, asked to redact the names of Luis Elizondo and Hal Puthoff in the July 25, 2018 KLAS-TV story on Pentagon UFO study documents.
“but It remains unclear why both journalists, or their source, asked them to redact those two names in the first place.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:3003-3115 opinion
37
Hal Puthoff is co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science, where Luis Elizondo is employed.
“Dr. Puthoff, co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science where Mr. Elizondo is now employed”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:5391-5483 administrative
38
Hal Puthoff offered his support to counter the Pentagon's assertions about Luis Elizondo's role in the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“Dr. Puthoff, co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science where Mr. Elizondo is now employed, offered his support to counter the Pentagon’s assertions.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:5391-5539 opinion first hand
39
Hal Puthoff considers that the public does not have detailed access to daily activities in Pentagon projects and offices, and that those not directly connected, such as staff in the Public Affairs Office, are often themselves unclear about details concerning highly classified sensitive programs for which they have little to no access.
“I have been following all the buzz back ‘n forth concerning Elizondo’s role in AATIP, and recognize that there are a number of misunderstandings – for reasonable reasons – given that the public doesn’t have detailed access to daily activities in Pentagon projects/offices. Unfortunately for the public, those not directly connected, e.g., in the Public Affairs Office, are often themselves sketchy about details concerning highly-classified sensitive programs for which they have little-to-no access for security reasons.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:5776-6289 opinion first hand
40
As an Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP)/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) Contractor and Senior Advisor, Hal Puthoff continued to attend meetings, provide briefings, gain access to videos, provide Proposed Program Plans, and meet with staff, all under the aegis of Luis Elizondo's leadership and responsibility for maintaining continuity of the program effort and goals until Elizondo resigned.
“I have no problem asserting that as an AAWSAP [Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program]/AATIP Contractor & Senior Advisor I continued to attend meetings, provide briefings, gain access to videos, provide Proposed Program Plans, meet with staff, etc., all under the aegis of Elizondo’s leadership and responsibility for maintaining continuity of the Program effort and goals until he resigned.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:6307-6705 testimony first hand
41
It is unclear how Hal Puthoff could have worked under Luis Elizondo's leadership given that AAWSAP/AATIP contracted work began in 2008 at the Defense Intelligence Agency while Elizondo's alleged leadership began in 2010 at OUSDI.
“It is unclear how Dr. Puthoff could have worked under Mr. Elizondo’s leadership, since AAWSAP/AATIP contracted work began in 2008 at DIA and Mr. Elizondo’s alleged leadership began in 2010 at OUSDI when the program was transferred.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:6717-7036 opinion
42
When asked about the discrepancy regarding when he worked under Luis Elizondo's leadership, Hal Puthoff did not return the message.
“When asked about the discrepancy, or to clarify that the contracted work by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, LLC. who initially won the contract, continued after two years (or after the 2012 date when funding was cut entirely); Dr. Puthoff did not return the message.”
Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had “No Responsibilities” on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid’s 2009 Memo Changes Nothing 2019-06-14 char:7236-7504 administrative
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Ingo Swann worked with Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, two leading researchers in the field of parapsychology.
“He soon began to work with Dr. Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, two of the leading researchers in the field of parapsychology.”
How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 2023-08-02 00:04:34.1-00:04:39.7 administrative
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Ingo Swann recalled that Hal Puthoff told him he was the first to find a ring around Jupiter.
“So Hal came and said, you're the first to find a ring around Jupiter. I said, I am.”
How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 2023-08-02 00:05:50.6-00:05:56.1 testimony first hand
45
Ingo Swann asked Hal Puthoff who was funding his remote-viewing training because it was classified.
“he came to Hal Puthoff and said, who's paying for this? Because that was secret.”
How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 2023-08-02 00:29:56.6-00:30:02.3 testimony first hand
46
Hal Puthoff told Ingo Swann that the United States Army was funding the remote-viewing training.
“And Hal said, well, the army.”
How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 2023-08-02 00:30:03.4-00:30:05.9 testimony first hand
47
Hal Puthoff is a theoretical physicist who led previous controversial Central Intelligence Agency and Defence Department research into 'psychic spies', also known as remote viewing.
“a theoretical physicist who had led the previous controversial CIA and Defence Department research into 'psychic spies' or remote viewing”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:1031-1161 administrative
48
A week after disclosing the departures of Christopher Mellon, Luis Elizondo, and Steve Justice, Tom DeLonge disclosed Hal Puthoff's resignation as a director of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences.
“but also, a week later, Dr Hal Puthoff's resignation as a director.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:23850-23908 administrative
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Hal Puthoff transitioned from his role as a director of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences to serve on the company's scientific advisory board.
“As a result, Dr. Harold E. Puthoff, one of TTSA's board members, has transitioned from his role as a director to serve on the company's scientific advisory board'.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:24145-24301 administrative first hand
50
The departure of Hal Puthoff from To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences represented a massive climb-down from the organisation's stated long-term objectives.
“DeLonge put the best possible spin on the loss of his most illustrious talent but, any way you looked at it, it was a massive climb-down from TTSA's stated long-term objectives.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:24312-24478 opinion
51
Hal Puthoff was the third co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences.
“There was also the third co-founder of TTSA, Dr Hal Puthoff, a theoretical physicist”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch21:970-1045 administrative
52
A 2019 disclosure notice by To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences to the Securities Exchange Commission revealed that Tom DeLonge sold the same six Art's Parts samples to the company for $35,000 and that Hal Puthoff would be analysing them for TTSA.
“There was a disclosure notice by TTSA to the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) revealing that in 2019 Tom DeLonge sold the same six 'Art's Parts' samples to his company for $35,000 and that Hal Puthoff would be analysing them for TTSA.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch23:12669-12902 administrative second hand
53
The SEC declaration for TTSA's 2019 purchase of the Art's Parts samples stated the purchased assets included one piece of aluminium that TTSA physicist Hal Puthoff already had in his possession on loan from the seller.
“(iii) one piece of Aluminum that TTSA physicist Hal Puthoff already had in his possession that was on loan from Seller”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch23:13204-13315 administrative second hand
54
The SEC declaration for TTSA's 2019 purchase of the Art's Parts samples stated the purchased assets included one round black and silver metal flake already in Hal Puthoff's possession on loan from the seller.
“(iv) one round black and silver metal flake that physicist Puthoff already has in his possession currently on loan from Seller”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch23:13328-13447 administrative second hand
55
An earlier 2018 disclosure by TTSA to the US Securities and Exchange Commission revealed that TTSA had retained Hal Puthoff's EarthTech International Inc. to prepare plans on materials analysis and beamed energy propulsion launch systems.
“An earlier 2018 disclosure TTSA made to the US Securities and Exchange Commission revealed that TTSA has already retained Hal Puthoff's EarthTech International Inc. to prepare plans on materials analysis and beamed energy propulsion launch systems”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch23:17382-17615 administrative second hand
56
In a 1997 paper, Hal Puthoff commented about possible UFO artifact samples recovered from the Ubatuba object, a Brazilian UAP which reportedly ejected pure magnesium metal fragments as it flew over Ubatuba in San Paulo province in Brazil in two separate incidents in 1954 and 1957.
“In a 1997 paper, Hal Puthoff commented about 'possible UFO artifact' samples recovered from a Brazilian UAP – the so-called Ubatuba object, which reportedly ejected pure magnesium metal fragments as it flew over Ubatuba in San Paulo province in Brazil in two separate incidents in 1954 and 1957.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:10686-10976 testimony second hand
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Hal Puthoff wrote that laboratory analysis of the Ubatuba magnesium samples found the magnesium to be of exceptional purity, anomalous in its trace composition of other elements, and 6.7% denser than ordinary pure magnesium, a figure well beyond the experimental error of the measurement.
“'Laboratory analysis of the samples found the magnesium to be not only of exceptional purity, and anomalous in its trace composition of other elements, but 6.7% denser than ordinary pure magnesium, a figure well beyond the experimental error of the measurement,' Puthoff wrote in the same 1997 book review.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:10983-11281 measurement second hand
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Hal Puthoff reported claims that the only way to explain the anomalous density of the Ubatuba magnesium sample was that it contained only the pure isotope Mg26 rather than naturally occurring terrestrial isotopes of magnesium.
“He reported claims that the only way to explain this observation was that the sample contains only the pure isotope Mg26 rather than naturally occurring terrestrial isotopes of magnesium.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:11290-11467 hearsay second hand
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Hal Puthoff wrote in 1997 that since the only isotope separation on a significant scale in terrestrial manufacture is that of uranium, the pure Mg26 result must be considered at least anomalous, and possibly as evidence for extra-terrestrial manufacture of the Ubatuba object sample.
“'Since the only isotope separation on a significant scale in terrestrial manufacture is that of uranium, such a result must be considered at least anomalous, and possibly as evidence for extra-terrestrial manufacture,' Puthoff wrote in 1997.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:11479-11741 opinion second hand
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Hal Puthoff said that no evidence could be found that anybody had ever made a sample like the Art's Parts bismuth/magnesium-zinc sample, and people in the materials field did not know why anyone would want to make anything like it.
“'Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these. When we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don't know why anybody would want to make anything like this.'”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:2948-3154 opinion second hand
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In a 2012 letter to Linda Moulton Howe, Hal Puthoff stated that tests he had done on the Art's Parts samples did not yield an interesting or anomalous outcome when various fields were applied.
“A letter from Dr Hal Puthoff (formerly with TTSA) to Linda Moulton Howe in 2012, revealed by journalist M.J. Banias on Motherboard, admitted that tests he did back then on the Art's Parts samples 'did not yield an interesting/anomalous outcome in the tests involving the application of various fields'.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:3163-3486 testimony second hand
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Hal Puthoff told a Las Vegas conference in 2018 that the bismuth/magnesium samples turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation at terahertz frequencies.
“But then Puthoff later told a Las Vegas conference in 2018 that the bismuth/magnesium samples 'turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies'.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:3496-3701 opinion first hand
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Hal Puthoff told Linda Moulton Howe in his 2012 letter that he did not have the equipment to test the Art's Parts bismuth/magnesium sample with a frequency of 4.76 to 5.66 terahertz.
“In his 2012 letter, Dr Puthoff told Linda Moulton Howe that he did not have the equipment that would allow him to zap the Art's Parts' bismuth/magnesium sample with the required much higher frequency of 4.76–5.66 terahertz.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:3932-4145 testimony second hand
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Hal Puthoff worked for the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency.
“Hal Puthoff worked for the NSA and CIA.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch24:8072-8107 administrative
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Because Edgar Mitchell was on the National Institute for Discovery Science science advisory board, he was sent a copy of the notes by Hal Puthoff.
“Because Mitchell was on the NIDS science advisory board he was sent a copy by Dr Hal Puthoff”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:10517-10602 administrative
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Asked about the Admiral Wilson memo at an Arlington Institute address in February 2020, Hal Puthoff said it was leaked on the internet and that Wilson was one of the joint chiefs of staff interviewed by his senior scientist colleague Eric Davis, and declined to comment further because it discusses potentially ongoing programs.
“Asked about the Admiral Wilson memo at an Arlington Institute address in February 2020, he responded, ‘That is a question about the Wilson documents. They probably got leaked on the internet. *And Wilson was one of the joint chiefs of staff interviewed by my senior scientist colleague Eric Davis*. Since it discusses potentially ongoing programs, I have no comment.’”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:10770-11128 testimony first hand
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Hal Puthoff subsequently told Keith Basterfield that he did not mean to confirm that the Wilson interview and notes were authentic, but this explanation does not address what he actually said.
“Dr Puthoff did subsequently tell Keith Basterfield that he did not mean to confirm that the Wilson interview and notes were authentic, but his explanation does not address what he actually said.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:11375-11591 testimony first hand
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The Spaceman believes the 'EWD Notes' document was sent to Edgar Mitchell as early as late 2002 or in the first few months of 2003, probably by Hal Puthoff, the recipient of the memorandum.
“The Spaceman, the keeper of Edgar Mitchell’s archived files, told me he believes the controversial document was sent to Mitchell as early as late 2002 or in the first few months of 2003, probably by the recipient of the memorandum, Dr Hal Puthoff, who was Dr Eric Davis’s boss at the time.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:2157-2441 opinion first hand
69
Hal Puthoff was Eric Davis's boss at the time of the alleged 2002 meeting with Tom Wilson.
“probably by the recipient of the memorandum, Dr Hal Puthoff, who was Dr Eric Davis’s boss at the time”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:2344-2441 administrative
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Cranium considers it significant that neither Hal Puthoff nor Eric Davis has denied the authenticity of the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes).
“Cranium sees huge significance in the fact that neither Hal Puthoff nor Eric Davis deny the memorandum’s authenticity. ‘These individuals have been given multiple opportunities to deny this document, and none of them have,’ Cranium told me.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:24906-25143 opinion first hand
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Ross Coulthart considers that without a senior Department of Defense official, Eric Davis, Tom Wilson, or Hal Puthoff going on the record admitting to the veracity of the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes), its claims must be treated with extreme scepticism and as a hoax document until proved otherwise.
“But without a senior Department of Defence official, Eric Davis, Admiral Wilson or Hal Puthoff, going on the record admitting to the veracity of the memorandum, its claims must be treated with extreme scepticism. It has to be treated as a hoax document until proved otherwise.”
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Eric Davis was, more recently, chief scientist for Hal Puthoff's Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, Texas.
“was, more recently, chief scientist for Dr Hal Puthoff’s Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, Texas”
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Gordon Novel's book quoted 'Wally Katz' as reluctantly admitting the alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) was a reproduction of a universal UFO drive design, that he was willing to fund Hal Puthoff's zero-point energy research and development program and secretly show how to do it, but that the antigravity system of the ARV had to remain a 'Supreme Cosmic Secret' and the number one national security issue.
“'Wally [Katz] admitted reluctantly that [the] ARV was, in fact, a reproduction of a universal UFO drive design . . . he was willing to fund [Hal Puthoff's] zero point energy (ZPE) research and development program and secretly show us how to do it, but the antigravity system of ARV was going to have to remain a "Supreme Cosmic Secret" and the Number one national security issue.'”
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Salvatore Pais suggested that removing energy-mass from a system by enabling vacuum polarisation, as discussed by Hal Puthoff, could achieve a diminution of inertial and gravitational mass via manipulation of quantum field fluctuations in the vacuum.
“But Pais suggested that 'it is feasible to remove energy-mass from the system by enabling vacuum polarisation, as discussed by Harold [Dr Hal] Puthoff; in that diminution of inertial (and thus gravitational) mass can be achieved via manipulation of quantum field fluctuations in the vacuum'.”
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Salvatore Pais quoted his 2015 paper as stating that removing energy-mass from a system by enabling vacuum polarisation could achieve a diminution of inertial and gravitational mass via manipulation of quantum field fluctuations in the vacuum, attributing the vacuum polarisation concept to Hal Puthoff.
“Pais suggested that 'it is feasible to remove energy-mass from the system by enabling vacuum polarisation, as discussed by Harold [Dr Hal] Puthoff; in that diminution of inertial (and thus gravitational) mass can be achieved via manipulation of quantum field fluctuations in the vacuum'.”
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Hal Puthoff helped lead the campaign through To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences (TTSA) to get the US government to disclose what it knows about unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP).
“Is it also just a coincidence that Dr Hal Puthoff, one of those who led the campaign through To The Stars Academy (TTSA) to get the US government to open up on what it knows about UAPs, is the boffin who the US Navy quotes in support of a faster-than-light spacecraft?”
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Harold Puthoff told Luis Elizondo that a UAP crash occurred at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 and that the crash was covered up by the government.
““Well… it all goes back to Roswell in 1947.” ... “You mean to tell me that a UAP actually crashed and we covered it up?” “That’s exactly what happened,” he replied.”
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Harold Puthoff was also in attendance at the programme dinner in Roslyn, Virginia.
“Also in attendance was Harold “Hal” Puthoff, a legendary figure in government and intel community research circles.”
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Harold Puthoff is a physicist and engineer.
“He is a physicist, an engineer, and a man of deep mystery when it comes to some of America’s most sensitive and controversial projects.”
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Harold Puthoff worked for over fifty years as chief scientist on highly classified projects for the United States government.
“For over fifty years, he worked as the chief scientist on highly classified projects for the government.”
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Harold Puthoff had, in various past capacities, regularly reported directly to the White House and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
“In various past capacities, he had regularly reported directly to the White House and the director of the CIA.”
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Harold Puthoff was the programme's chief scientist.
“He was the program’s chief scientist.”
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Harold Puthoff earned his PhD from Stanford University in 1967.
“Hal earned his PhD from Stanford University in 1967.”
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Harold Puthoff's professional background spans decades of research at General Electric, Sperry Corporation, the National Security Agency (NSA), Stanford University, and SRI International.
“His professional background spans decades of research at General Electric, Sperry, the NSA, Stanford University, and SRI International”
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Harold Puthoff served almost every United States government entity, including the Department of Defense (DoD) and agencies within the intelligence community such as the National Security Agency (NSA), as a senior scientific advisor.
“he has served almost every government entity (for example, the Department of Defense and agencies within the intelligence community, such as the NSA) as a senior scientific advisor.”
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Harold Puthoff published numerous papers on quantum physics, lasers, and space propulsion.
“He published numerous papers on quantum physics, lasers, and space propulsion”
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Harold Puthoff had patents issued in the laser, energy, and communications fields.
“had patents issued in the laser, energy, and communications fields, which I suggest reading.”
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Lue Elizondo's career path had briefly crossed with Harold Puthoff's when Elizondo was a young soldier in the United States Army, though Elizondo first met Puthoff in person at the programme dinner in Roslyn, Virginia.
“When I was still a young soldier in the Army, my career path had crossed briefly with Hal’s. But I met him for the first time in person that evening.”
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The remote viewing technique used in Project Stargate was pioneered at Stanford University in the late 1960s and led by Harold Puthoff.
“The program, pioneered at Stanford University in the late 1960s, was led by none other than Hal Puthoff”
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Harold Puthoff was a Stanford University researcher and an employee of the National Security Agency when he and Russell Targ were approached by the Central Intelligence Agency and told that Russia had a remote viewing programme.
“Hal had been a Stanford University researcher and an employee of the NSA when he and his colleague Russell Targ were approached by the CIA and told that Russia had a remote-viewing program.”
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Project Stargate became successful enough that Harold Puthoff reported directly to the director of the Central Intelligence Agency and the White House on a regular basis.
“Stargate became so successful, Hal reported directly to the director of the CIA and the White House on a regular basis.”
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Luis Elizondo told Harold Puthoff about the group remote viewing session targeting the captured terrorist, and Puthoff was not surprised.
“I told Hal Puthoff what we had done. He was not surprised.”
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Harold Puthoff told Luis Elizondo that four deceased nonhuman bodies were recovered from the 1947 Roswell UAP crash.
“Hal went on to tell me something else that truly blew my mind. Four deceased nonhuman bodies were in fact recovered from the 1947 Roswell crash.”
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Harold Puthoff told Luis Elizondo that not every incoming US president is told the truth about UAP.
““Is every incoming president told the truth?” “No.””
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Harold Puthoff told Luis Elizondo that the Department of Defense (DoD) regards presidents, elected officials, and political appointees as temporary hires who do not need to know classified UAP information, and that US presidents do not typically get briefed on it unless something happens or they push for it, and those who have been briefed have only been given the most basic information.
““The sad truth is, DoD regards presidents, elected officials, and political appointees as temporary hires. They do not need to know since they will not be in their position for very long. Unless something happens or they really push for it, US presidents do not get briefed, and those who have been briefed have only been given the most basic information.””
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In the paper "Ultraterrestrial Models", Harold Puthoff wrote that there is an unidentified phenomenon interacting with the current human population on Earth, and that it is currently unknown whether the phenomenon is exclusively extraterrestrial, extradimensional, cryptoterrestrial, demonic/djinn, proto/ancient human, time-travellers, or some combination or mutation of these, though it appears highly likely the phenomenon is not constituted exclusively of members of the current human population.
“Hal says, “There is an unidentified phenomenon interacting with the current human population on Earth. It is currently unknown whether the phenomenon is exclusively extraterrestrial, extradimensional, cryptoterrestrial, demonic/djinn, proto/ancient human, time-travelers, etc., or some combination or mutation of any or all of these. However, it appears highly likely that the phenomenon per se is not constituted exclusively of members of the current human population.””
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Before Lue Elizondo joined the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP)/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), Harold Puthoff conceived and commissioned studies including invisibility cloaking, traversable wormholes and stargates, antigravity, brain/machine interfaces, and warp drives.
“Even before I’d come aboard, Hal conceived and commissioned fascinating studies for AAWSAP/AATIP, including invisibility cloaking, traversable wormholes and stargates, antigravity, brain/machine interfaces, and warp drives.”
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Harold Puthoff ensured the Defense Intelligence Research Documents (DIRDs) could be applied to any conceivable weapon system, not just Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), as a layer of protection to hide the true mission of the effort.
“Hal cleverly made sure these studies could be applied to any conceivable weapon system, not just UAP. This was another layer of protection, to hide the true mission of the overall effort.”
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Before joining the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP)/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) effort, Harold Puthoff previously managed the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)'s Stargate program.
“The last time Hal had made this much progress on a program was during his time managing the CIA’s Stargate program.”
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Eric Davis is an astrophysicist with high-level national security clearances who worked with Harold Puthoff as a contractor for the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP)/Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“It wasn’t until much later that I met Eric Davis, an astrophysicist with high-level national security clearances who also worked with Hal as a contractor for the program.”
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Eric Davis has long consulted with a number of aerospace and defense contractors, including EarthTech, the company founded by Harold Puthoff.
“Eric has long consulted with a number of aerospace and defense contractors, including the one founded by Hal, EarthTech.”
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The only contractors who remained involved with the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) under Luis Elizondo and Jim Semivan were Harold Puthoff, William "Will" Livingston, and Eric Davis.
“The only contractors who would remain involved with Jay and me were Hal, Will Livingston, and Eric Davis.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that the 1947 Roswell UAP crash was caused by Department of Defense (DoD) experiments with electromagnetic pulse (EMP) energy, a by-product of the atomic bomb, at a nearby test range.
“He had been thinking a lot about how the Roswell crash was believed to have been caused by DoD experiments with electromagnetic pulse (EMP) energy, a by-product of the atomic bomb, at one of the nearby test ranges.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that if the aircraft involved in the 1947 Roswell UAP crash was downed by an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) by accident, this would mean the craft's technology had a vulnerability similar to modern aircraft and motor vehicles to circuitry disruption or directed-energy sources.
“Hal's theory: If the Roswell aircraft were downed with an EMP by accident, this could mean the aircraft had an Achilles' heel. It might mean that their tech then functioned in many ways similar to modern aircraft and motor vehicles in that they may have some sort of circuitry or vulnerability to directed energy sources.”
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Harold Puthoff calls the phenomenon of missing or lost time associated with UAP encounters, such as at the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident, the Rip Van Winkle Effect.
“(Hal Puthoff calls this the Rip Van Winkle Effect.)”
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Harold Puthoff was granted permission to publish all but one of the papers he had written for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“Hal asked for and was granted permission to publish all but one of the papers he had written for us.”
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No one in government or in the physics community had, until Harold Puthoff received it, been given a list of verified UAP attributes culled from the most reliable detection platforms in existence.
“Until then, no one in government or in the physics community had ever given Hal what we had: a list of verified attributes culled from the most reliable detection platforms in existence.”
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Harold Puthoff is an expert on the theory of zero-point energy, which posits free energy exists in the vacuum of space that could be harnessed.
“Hal was an expert on the theory of zero-point energy, a holy grail of science that stipulates there is free energy even in the vacuum of space that we can harness.”
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Luis Elizondo, Jay Stratton, Harold Puthoff, and John Robert all had Cherokee blood, and were all involved with the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“Even more surprising, socializing this revelation led to also discovering that almost everyone who was involved with AATIP had this background as well. I did. Jay did. Hal did. John Robert did. And others as well.”
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Harold Puthoff focused on explaining the six observables using physics as currently understood, specifically Einstein's theory of relativity.
“Hal was very focused on figuring out how to explain the observables using physics as we know it, specifically Einstein’s theory of relativity.”
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Papers Harold Puthoff co-wrote proposed a new paradigm for interstellar travel.
“The papers Hal cowrote in the past for us had proposed a new paradigm for interstellar travel.”
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Harold Puthoff's papers touched on warp drives, traversable wormholes, and time machines.
“His paper touched on such things as warp drives, traversable wormholes, time machines…”
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Harold Puthoff and his colleagues had a laboratory of approximately 560 square metres at his office in Austin, Texas.
“Back at Hal’s Austin office, Hal and his colleagues had 6,000 square feet of lab space.”
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Harold Puthoff and Eric Davis built a gravity device sensitive enough to detect the gravity field of an automobile sitting in an adjacent parking lot.
“he showed me a gravity device he and Eric Davis had built that was so sensitive it would detect the gravity field of an automobile sitting in an adjacent parking lot”
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Harold Puthoff wrote an academic paper showing how humans could exploit the vacuum of space to provide power and thrust for aircraft.
“Hal skimmed through his academic paper in which he showed how humans could exploit the empty vacuum of space to provide power and thrust for aircraft”
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Harold Puthoff visited the Pentagon and met Lue Elizondo's team in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF).
“I’d just returned from an international work trip when I learned that our friend Hal was in town and visiting the Pentagon. He had news to share and was waiting for us in a SCIF.”
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Harold Puthoff estimated that generating and sustaining a space-time warp bubble would require energy somewhere in the 3.2 or 5.6 terahertz range.
“It would take a lot of energy to create and sustain the bubble, say, somewhere in the 3.2 or 5.6 Terahertz range.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that the warp bubble required for faster-than-light travel could only be a limited size due to the large amount of energy required to sustain it.
“It also turns out that this bubble, in theory, can only be so big due to the great amount of energy required to create it.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that a saucer-shaped disc craft results from flattening a sphere-shaped warp bubble so the craft remains equally protected on all sides.
“So an alternative solution would be to flatten your sphere into a disc… A saucer... The stereotypical flying saucer looks the way it does because it must fit inside that bubble while remaining protected on all sides.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that when several disc-shaped craft travel together, their individual warp bubbles can overlap to accommodate a larger combined craft.
“if you wanted to have a craft that was bigger than the bubble, you could have several discs fly very close together so their bubbles overlap each other.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that a rod- or cigar-shaped craft could carry a warp bubble on each end.
“Or you could create an elongated disc, like a rod- or cigar-shaped craft, with a bubble on each end.”
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Harold Puthoff theorised that a technology capable of warping space and time in a localised area could create a bubble around a UAP craft.
““if we had the right technology, we could warp space and time in a localized area, creating a localized ‘bubble’ around a craft.””
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Harold Puthoff theorised that merging three warp bubbles could produce a triangular-shaped craft, with the lights reported at each apex actually being propulsion units, corresponding to the widely-reported triangular Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) shape.
“If you merge three bubbles, you can fit an equilateral triangle in the middle, which is the other common UAP shape observed. What some eyewitnesses report as lights at each apex of these triangular-shaped craft may in fact not be lights at all, but propulsion units, or bubble makers.”
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Harold Puthoff possessed a piece of material allegedly recovered from the 1947 Roswell Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) crash.
“Hal had in his possession material allegedly recovered from the Roswell crash.”
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Harold Puthoff and other scientists theorised that propulsion units alone could not generate a warp bubble, and that the key was the interaction between harnessed energy and the skin of the craft.
“Hal and other scientists theorized that propulsion units alone could not generate the bubble. The key was the harnessing of energy plus its interaction with the skin of the craft.”
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Harold Puthoff proposed that the energy required to warp space-time might originate from vacuum fluctuations, the underlying quantum fluctuations of empty space, based on the phenomenon known as zero-point energy.
“Hal explained that if one were to try to achieve the levels of energy required to warp space-time, one might need to start with the most basic form of energy that we know of—that of the underlying roiling quantum fluctuations of empty space, so-called vacuum fluctuations. This speculative hypothesis, yet to be practically implemented, was based on the now well-studied phenomenon of what is commonly referred to as zero-point energy.”
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Harold Puthoff's opinion is that there are theoretically only two ways to warp space-time: a very large amount of mass, or a very large amount of energy.
““In theory, there are only two ways to warp space-time: a lot of mass, or a heck of a lot of energy.””
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Harold Puthoff did not subscribe to the hypothesis that Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) harvest water for energy from hydrogen, but considered it intriguing enough not to dismiss entirely.
“Hal didn’t subscribe to this H2O hypothesis but thought it intriguing enough to not dismiss it entirely”
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Harold Puthoff proposed an alternative hypothesis that, in addition to hydrogen and oxygen, liquid water contains small amounts of the hydrogen isotope deuterium in the form of D2O, a significant ingredient for nuclear fusion energy generation, and that Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) might be mining water for a yet-to-be-identified form of propulsion.
“Hal suggested that in addition to hydrogen and oxygen, liquid water has small amounts of the hydrogen isotope deuterium, in the form of D2O, a significant ingredient for nuclear fusion energy generation... Perhaps UAP were mining water for a yet-to-be-identified form of propulsion?”
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Deuterated water, HDO, is more plentiful in normal water than D2O.
“There is also “deuterated water,” HDO, which is more plentiful in normal water than D2O”
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Lue Elizondo and Harold Puthoff discussed propulsion theories for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) for several hours.
“We had been in the SCIF now for several hours. Hal had explained how the primary observables were possible, even the sizes and shapes of the various craft seen over the years, based upon propulsion theories.”
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Harold Puthoff's opinion is that Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) are not warping space-time using large amounts of mass, because bringing sufficient mass to earth would produce catastrophic effects similar to placing a stellar black hole next to earth.
“Obviously, UAP are not using large amounts of mass to warp space-time. They’d have to bring something bigger than the size of earth to earth. The results would be catastrophic, like parking a stellar black hole next to earth… and we would have noticed that.”
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Harold Puthoff wrote a lengthy mathematical equation spanning two whiteboards during a meeting with Lue Elizondo's team.
“I found other team members with eyes on Hal, who stood at a whiteboard, writing one of the longest mathematical equations I had ever seen. The equation already took up two full whiteboards and he wasn’t done.”
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Harold Puthoff's opinion is that with sufficient energy, a vehicle could create a warp bubble enabling faster-than-light travel by compressing space in front of the vehicle and stretching space behind it.
“it is theoretically possible that with a sufficient amount of energy, a vehicle could compress the space in front of you while stretching it behind you. If you had the technology to do that, you could achieve—or begin to achieve—faster-than-light travel.”
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Lue Elizondo recalled that a bubble surrounding an aircraft, as described by Harold Puthoff's warp theory, was consistent with what was seen in the GIMBAL video.
“I remembered that a bubble around an aircraft was exactly what we’d seen in the GIMBAL video… and others.”
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The six Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) observables tracked by Harold Puthoff's team were hypersonic velocity, instantaneous acceleration, low observability, transmedium travel, antigravity, and biological effects.
“Hypersonic velocities? Check. Instantaneous acceleration? Check. Low observability? Check. Transmedium travel? Check. Antigravity? Check. Biological effects? Check.”
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Harold Puthoff considers it possible that a single breakthrough technology could be responsible for all six Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) observables.
““One breakthrough technology could be responsible for everything. All of it. And we may have just figured out how it works.””
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Harold Puthoff explained to Luis Elizondo that antennae must normally be at least half the size of the wave form to work, but the 1977 Council Bluffs Iowa UAP incident material transmitted frequencies at a larger amplitude than it should have been able to given its size.
“As Hal explained it to me, normally antennae must be at least half the size of the wave form to work. This material, however, seemed to be able to transmit frequencies at a much larger amplitude than it should have been able to.”
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Harold Puthoff considered that the 1977 Council Bluffs Iowa UAP incident material could transmit a vast amount of data.
“Hal speculated that you could transmit a vast amount of data across such material.”
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Harold Puthoff said of the 1977 Council Bluffs Iowa UAP incident material: "It is now a technological challenge."
“Hal Puthoff’s words rang in my head: "It is now a technological challenge."”
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Harold Puthoff made connections that included introducing Jim Semivan, a senior CIA member, to Lue Elizondo's effort.
“During this time, Hal had made a few connections of his own. One contact was a highly intelligent man named Jim Semivan, a senior member of the CIA who had enjoyed a long, successful career.”
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Harold Puthoff suggested to Jay Stratton that they meet with Jim Semivan at the Pentagon.
“Hal suggested to Jay that we meet with Jim at the Pentagon.”
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program (AAWSAP) had used a secure-server approach to share all but one of thirty-eight academic theoretical research papers that Harold Puthoff had commissioned from various scientists.
“With great success, AAWSAP had used the same approach to share all but one of the thirty-eight academic theoretical research papers Hal had commissioned from various scientists.”
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Christopher Mellon, Jim Semivan, and Harold Puthoff met with Luis Elizondo and journalist Leslie Kean in the lobby of a hotel near the Pentagon.
“Chris Mellon and Jim Semivan awaited me in the lobby of a hotel not far from the Pentagon. Hal Puthoff arrived shortly after, as did the individual we had all gathered to meet: an independent investigative journalist by the name of Leslie Kean, whom Chris had arranged for us to meet.”
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Luis Elizondo's meeting with Leslie Kean, alongside Christopher Mellon, Harold Puthoff, and Jim Semivan, lasted four hours.
“Meeting with Kean lasted an exhausting four hours.”
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Christopher Mellon, Harold Puthoff, and Jim Semivan urged Luis Elizondo to connect with the media in order to reach the American public on the UAP issue.
“Chris Mellon, Hal, and Semivan urged me to consider a different path. If you want to reach the American people on this issue, they said, you need to connect with the media.”
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When Lue Elizondo resigned from the Pentagon in 2017, he joined To The Stars Academy (TTSA) because he thought he needed a platform to spread his message and rejoin Harold Puthoff, Jim Semivan, and Chris Mellon.
“When I resigned from the Pentagon in 2017, I had jumped at the opportunity to join TTSA because I thought I needed the platform to spread my message and rejoin Hal, Jim, and Chris.”
Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs 2024-08-19 ch30:12361-12535 testimony first hand
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Christopher Mellon, Harold Puthoff, and Steve Justice moved on from To The Stars Academy (TTSA) after Lue Elizondo did.
“Chris, Hal, and Steve Justice also soon moved on from TTSA.”
Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs 2024-08-19 ch30:12930-12984 administrative first hand
149
According to Harold Puthoff and some involved in the Legacy Program, US presidents briefed on UAP are not provided with all the details because presidents do not have a need to know everything and will only temporarily be in their position.
“As Hal mentioned once, and according to some involved in Legacy UAP, presidents simply don’t have a need to know everything, and they will only temporarily be in their position.”
Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs 2024-08-19 ch31:16010-16178 hearsay second hand
150
Harold Puthoff and Eric Davis are among the world's premier scientists.
“With two of the world's premier scientists, Hal Puthoff (left) and Eric Davis (right), at EarthTech Headquarters.”
Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs 2024-08-19 ch37:1916-2016 opinion first hand
151
Harold Puthoff and Eric Davis were essential to Lue Elizondo's understanding of how Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operate.
“They were essential to our understanding of how UAPs operate.”
Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs 2024-08-19 ch37:2030-2083 opinion first hand
152
Hal Puthoff was a programme director for numerous classified Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Department of Defense programmes.
“Dr. Hal Pudoff is a theoretical physicist and program director for numerous CIA and Department of Defense classified programs.”
Tom DeLonge's 'Sekret Machines' FULL Documentary #ufo #uap 2026-03-04 00:08:23.4-00:08:30.6 administrative first hand
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Hal Puthoff is a theoretical physicist.
“Dr. Hal Pudoff is a theoretical physicist and program director for numerous CIA and Department of Defense classified programs.”
Tom DeLonge's 'Sekret Machines' FULL Documentary #ufo #uap 2026-03-04 00:08:23.4-00:08:30.6 administrative first hand
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Hal Puthoff created the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) psychic spy programme.
“Dr. Pudoff is the creator of the CIA's own revolutionary psychic spy program still used to this day”
Tom DeLonge's 'Sekret Machines' FULL Documentary #ufo #uap 2026-03-04 00:08:31.9-00:08:37.3 administrative first hand
155
Hal Puthoff considers that advances in physics mean warp drive is not out of the question.
“The truth of the matter is we now know in our physics, which has been advancing, that something like warp drive is not out of the question.”
Tom DeLonge's 'Sekret Machines' FULL Documentary #ufo #uap 2026-03-04 00:32:47.9-00:32:54.4 opinion first hand
156
The team behind To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science includes a prominent aerospace engineer, a senior intelligence officer from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), two former senior Pentagon officials, and an experimental physicist from the United States Department of Defense (DoD).
“one of the biggest aerospace engineers in the world, a senior intelligence officer from the CIA, two former senior Pentagon officials, and an experimental physicist from the DOD”
Tom DeLonge's 'Sekret Machines' FULL Documentary #ufo #uap 2026-03-04 00:37:25.5-00:37:35.8 administrative first hand
157
Ed Dames went out with the Prince of Liechtenstein and Hal Puthoff to see UFOs, remote viewing where a UFO would be.
“when he was out there with the uh it was the prince of lichtenstein and like all sorts and ... the Hal Puthoff and And they went out to see UFOs and, you know, they would make, they would remote view where the UFO would be.”
Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 2026-06-12 02:25:02.2-02:25:32.4 testimony
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To the Stars Academy (TTSA) was not connected to Project Forum and was, as far as Hal Puthoff knows, a really independent activity.
“As far as I know, not... So anyway, and me. So that seemed to me, as far as I know, to be a really independent activity”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:01:33-00:01:36 opinion first hand
159
To the Stars Academy (TTSA) was driven by Tom DeLonge's efforts to get talking to people in aerospace industries, telling them the industry should look at going into space and at things worth investigating there.
“driven by Tom DeLonge's brilliance in terms of... because he got talking to people in aerospace industries and saying... you should open up the whole idea that we're going to go into space and all this kind of stuff and there's stuff out there that we should be taking a look at”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:01:37-00:01:39 testimony first hand
160
A forum on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) was held in the Kennedy Caucus Room of the United States Senate.
“Kennedy caucus room where there have been many historic events that took place. So it was an amazing event.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:01:50.2-00:01:59.2 administrative first hand
161
At the UAPDF event, Hal Puthoff stated that if he revealed everything he knew about the subject of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), he would go to jail.
“today at the UAPDF event, you stated if you revealed everything you knew about the subject, you would go to jail.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:08:10.9-00:08:16.0 testimony second hand
162
The United States Department of Energy operates its own security system separate from the usual Pentagon and Department of Defense (DoD) security apparatus, so it must be pursued for information separately.
“since they have their own security system, which does not fall into the usual Pentagon and DOD security apparatus, it really has to be pursued separately.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:08:53.6-00:09:05.1 opinion first hand
163
Hal Puthoff was a senior scientist for Bigelow Aerospace working on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), examining activity from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)-funded program.
“When I consider some of the things that we did in the AATIP program, I was a senior scientist for Bigelow Aerospace on looking at what was happening out of the DIA-funded program.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:09:33.4-00:09:46.9 administrative first hand
164
Materials obtained by aerospace corporations for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) were handled under Independent Research and Development (IRAD) and were not accessible via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests.
“access to materials and so on, which they handled under IRAD. In fact, they were not accessible by FOIA.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:09:58.9-00:10:07.7 administrative first hand
165
Hal Puthoff observed that compartmentalisation and stovepiping within the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was extremely severe, hindering efforts to access materials.
“that's when we saw that the compartmentalization and the stovepiping was just so far off the charts. that you sort of weren't going to get anywhere with that.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:10:16.2-00:10:26.2 observation first hand
166
Hal Puthoff commissioned about 36 papers from leading experts around the world on behalf of Bigelow Aerospace, asking where their area of expertise would be by the year 2050, without disclosing any connection to extraterrestrials or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“I commissioned, I think it was 36 papers from leading experts all over the world. asking them, saying, I was just doing a survey for Bigelow Aerospace. Where will your area of expertise be by the year 2050? I didn't tell them it had anything to do with, quote, ETs or UAPs or whatever.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:11:31.2-00:11:51.7 administrative first hand
167
The papers commissioned by Hal Puthoff on behalf of Bigelow Aerospace were posted on a classified Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) website.
“they were all put up on a classified website, JWICS website.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:11:55.7-00:12:00.3 administrative first hand
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Most of the papers commissioned by Hal Puthoff on behalf of Bigelow Aerospace have since been released through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests.
“But by now, most of those papers have been released through FOIA, so there's a lot of good data in there.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:12:01.4-00:12:08.6 administrative first hand
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Some of the papers commissioned by Hal Puthoff on behalf of Bigelow Aerospace came from authors who were known to be involved in the legacy program.
“In some of the cases, we got really great papers from people who we knew were involved in the legacy program anyway.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:12:09.7-00:12:15.6 administrative first hand
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The Kona Blue Special Access Program (SAP) followed on from the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“Well, that was at the end of it, following on AAWSAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:12:40.2-00:12:44.9 administrative first hand
171
United States Senator Harry Reid, then Senate Majority Leader, set up further funding intended to go forward as part of the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“Actually, Senator Harry Reid, who was Majority Leader at the time, Majority Senator, had set up the next part of funding that was supposed to go forward as part of AAWSAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:13:00.4-00:13:12.8 administrative first hand
172
The congressional funding language for the follow-on Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) funding described it only as being for aerospace investigations, without revealing its true purpose.
“the language that went into the congressional beef up of the funds just said, well, it's for aerospace investigations and that kind of stuff.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:13:25.1-00:13:36.0 administrative first hand
173
The follow-on Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) funding was redirected elsewhere within the chain of command because the official responsible for allocating it to AAWSAP was away on a trip when it arrived, and another office mistook it for general aerospace funding and took it.
“the person who knew what it was really for and was going to then give it off to the AAWSAP program happened to be off on a trip someplace. And so somebody else in his office saw it and said, oh, is this general aerospace stuff? Well, yeah, we do aerospace. So they snatched the money.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:13:43.7-00:14:02.2 testimony first hand
174
After the Kona Blue Special Access Program (SAP) effort at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ended, Hal Puthoff and colleagues spent at least two years developing comprehensive program plans for it.
“we ended up going to DHS. And now it's known that we're going to do it at an SAP level called Kona Blue... We spent, well, for one thing, we spent at least, I'd say, two years. We generated our program plans that would go from the floor to the ceiling.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:14:24.7-00:14:47.0 administrative first hand
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There was tremendous enthusiasm for the Kona Blue Special Access Program (SAP) from the Directorate of Science and Technology (DS&T) and security personnel at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
“It was tremendous enthusiasm from their DDS&T, from their security people. I mean, that was really going to be the winning program.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:14:47.9-00:14:56.1 observation first hand
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The Kona Blue Special Access Program (SAP) at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ultimately failed after Hal Puthoff encountered pressure against funding it from a couple of individuals he declined to name.
“at the very end, I ran into some... pressure against not funding it by a couple of individuals, which I don't feel like a name.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:15:05.3-00:15:18.2 testimony first hand
177
A nuclear missile site in the Soviet Union was activated and went through the launch countdown, nearly triggering what Hal Puthoff feared could have been World War III, before it was shut down.
“at least in the Soviet Union, a nuclear missile site was turned on and went through the countdown and almost, you know, we thought it was going to start World War III, but then it got shut down.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:15:55.9-00:16:06.9 testimony
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) was a classified programme intended to obtain answers about UAP.
“Well, basically, AAWSAP was the program to actually try to get the answers, although it was at a classified level.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:24:36.8-00:24:43.5 administrative first hand
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The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was a follow-on semi-official programme that was not structured the same way as the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“AATIP was just kind of a follow-on semi-official program, but not really structured the way AAWSAP was structured.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:24:44.8-00:24:54.8 administrative first hand
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The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was not actually funded by congressional mandate.
“So, no, AATIP was not actually funded.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:25:13.4-00:25:15.2 administrative first hand
181
After the original Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) was shut down, its former participants continued to collaborate on their own funds to try to sell a UAP investigation programme elsewhere, using Kona Blue as an example of such an effort at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
“we nonetheless continued to collaborate on our own funds or whatever. to try to go out and sell this program somewhere else, with Kona Blue being the example at DHS.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:25:21.7-00:25:33.2 administrative first hand
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During the period when the follow-on UAP programme was unfunded, its participants had support from Bigelow Aerospace and other places.
“We just had support from Bigelow Aerospace and other places.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:25:41.5-00:25:45.8 administrative first hand
183
Hal Puthoff considers that if Avi Loeb sensed the beginnings of a shutdown or cover-up of the new UAP investigation effort, Loeb would quit immediately.
“Avi Loeb if he even smelled the beginnings of a shutdown activity he would say i'm i'm done i'm out of here so”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:26:15.4-00:26:21.2 opinion first hand
184
Jay Stratton was in charge of the UAP Task Force for approximately 16 years.
“the best opportunity you might have would be to go to somebody like Jay Stratton who was in charge of the UAP task force for like 16 years”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:28:29.0-00:28:37.4 administrative first hand
185
Jay Stratton, while leading the UAP Task Force, encountered gatekeepers who controlled access to the legacy program.
“he ran into the, quote, gatekeepers for the legacy program.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:28:44.8-00:28:48.0 testimony second hand
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) was started by Senator Harry Reid and a couple of other senators.
“the AAWSAP program was started by Senator Harry Reid and a couple of other senators.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:28:51.0-00:28:55.7 administrative first hand
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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP), which began in 2008, was completely separate from the legacy program.
“So, AAWSAP and what we did starting in 2008 was completely separate from the legacy program.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:29:35.9-00:29:43.6 administrative first hand
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Even under Kona Blue, which was intended to operate as a Special Access Program (SAP), the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) team never gained access to the legacy program.
“Even going for Kona Blue, we're supposed to be an SAP program. We still couldn't get access to the legacy programs.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:29:50.8-00:29:57.0 administrative first hand
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Security personnel involved in the Kona Blue programme located the gatekeepers of the legacy program, who said access would not be granted until Kona Blue had a Special Access Program (SAP) designation.
“The security personnel involved in the Kona Blue thing found the gatekeepers, and the gatekeepers said, yeah. You're not going to talk to you until you have an SAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:29:58.9-00:30:10.4 testimony first hand
190
The plan for Bigelow Aerospace to build facilities in Las Vegas, Nevada to house materials from Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company never materialised.
“That was the plan, but it never materialized.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:30:55.2-00:30:56.9 administrative first hand
191
Hal Puthoff considers it unlikely that the legacy program's participants actually have the answers about UAP, because they are also hamstrung by lack of access to the best scientists.
“I'm not sure that they actually have the answers either. That's because they're also hamstrung in the legacy program of not being able to get to the best scientists.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:31:27.4-00:31:37.2 opinion first hand
192
The legacy program had access to crash material and biologics.
“they certainly had access”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:32:00.9-00:32:01.7 testimony first hand
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The legacy program's main problem was that it lacked the right scientists to properly understand the material it had access to.
“but they didn't have the right scientists to even understand what they were looking / that was the main problem”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:32:02.8-00:32:06.7 opinion first hand
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The legacy program was shut down because no progress had been made, since its participants could not get materials in front of scientists able to properly evaluate them.
“The program got shut down, actually, I don't quite remember the date, because no progress had been made. Because they couldn't get materials in front of scientists who could do a good job of evaluating them. So it died, more or less.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:32:18.5-00:32:33.8 testimony first hand
195
Eric Davis worked for Hal Puthoff.
“you know, Eric Davis worked for me”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:33:07.4-00:33:08.5 administrative first hand
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Hal Puthoff was involved with Christopher Mellon as part of To the Stars Academy (TTSA).
“I was involved with Chris Mellon as part of To the Stars Academy.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:33:09.8-00:33:14.8 administrative first hand
197
Hal Puthoff bases his account that a UAP-related effort was shut down on statements from the people who ran the programme and had it shut down, who were subsequently denied access to their own reports and materials.
“Based on the people who had the program and had it shut down from them. I mean, that was really shut down. They couldn't even get access to their own reports that they had written or their own materials.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:33:34.4-00:33:46.1 testimony first hand
198
Hal Puthoff clarifies that the legacy program itself did not get shut down; rather, it was the attempt to make progress via the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) that was halted.
“Yeah, the legacy program didn't get shut down. I'm just saying- / The attempt to make progress via AAWSAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:34:19.3-00:34:21.7 administrative first hand
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A specific component of the legacy program involving defense contractors was halted, not the legacy program as a whole.
“Well, apparently the program got, not the legacy program, but the program involved some of the defense contractors got shut down.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:34:37.9-00:34:47.1 administrative first hand
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Jay Stratton, as head of the UAP Task Force, involved around 16 different defense contractors and intelligence units in an effort to move UAP investigation forward beyond the legacy program, but the effort was not successful.
“he got all... kinds of different defense contractors and intelligence units, all 16 or whatever, involved in trying to move the program forward beyond what the legacy program was doing, and they were not successful.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:36:18.1-00:36:34.1 testimony second hand
201
Hal Puthoff signed security documents for Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) access in his UAP-related work, but did not have to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) with corporations.
“Well, we signed security documents for SCI accesses and all that kind of stuff. I didn't have to sign it with corporations.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:36:49.5-00:36:57.6 administrative first hand
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According to Hal Puthoff, gatekeepers of the legacy program are unelected security-type individuals whose job is to ensure the legacy program is not exposed.
“there are certain people who their job is to make sure that the Deep Legacy program doesn't get exposed or doesn't come to light. / Unelected individuals, yes. They're security type people.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:37:06.8-00:37:23.9 testimony first hand
203
Luis Elizondo was in an advisory-type role associated with the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) but was not officially part of it.
“Well, he was kind of an advisory kind of role, but he wasn't officially part of ASAP”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:44:28.6-00:44:33.4 testimony first hand
204
When Harry Reid tried to get a Special Access Program (SAP) set up, he named the people he wanted included in the SAP, and that list included Luis Elizondo.
“when Harry Reid went forward to try to get an SAP set up, he said, well, the people I want in the SAP are these people, and he included Lou's name”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:44:35.1-00:44:45.3 testimony first hand
205
Luis Elizondo was not directly funded by the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“So he was kind of on the edge associated, but not directly funded by AAWSAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:44:45.7-00:44:51.8 testimony first hand
206
Luis Elizondo looked into the legacy program's retrieval systems but did not get very far.
“Well, I think he dug around like we all did, but didn't get very far.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:45:00.3-00:45:03.8 testimony first hand
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The people at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) are good people who are genuinely trying to do something positive, which may make the current disclosure effort more successful than previous cases.
“I'm also familiar with the people in ODNI, and they are good people. They're good people actually trying to do something positive.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:45:15.0-00:45:22.9 opinion first hand
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Luis Elizondo was basically the leader of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
“Lou Elizondo was, you know, basically was, you might say, the kind of leader of AATIP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:46:18.5-00:46:25.4 testimony first hand
209
The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) was a nickname for the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and was not itself an independent program.
“AATIP actually had been a nickname for AAWSAP, you know, along the way, but it was not itself an independent program.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:46:39.0-00:46:48.9 testimony first hand
210
Under the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) label, Luis Elizondo gathered videotapes, some of which have since been released publicly.
“was to, for example, gather up the videotapes, some of which have come out and so on, and gather data from what had been successfully carried through under the AAWSAP program”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:46:58.5-00:47:12.1 testimony first hand
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Under the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) label, Luis Elizondo gathered data from work successfully carried out under the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“gather data from what had been successfully carried through under the AAWSAP program”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:47:05.9-00:47:12.1 testimony first hand
212
Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon tried to get information about the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) further up the chain of command to Defense Secretary James Mattis, but could not get through his gatekeepers.
“Chris Mellon took on the task of trying to get this further up the chain of command to General Mattis, who's defense secretary, and they couldn't get through his gatekeepers.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:47:19.9-00:47:31.6 testimony first hand
213
To the Stars Academy (TTSA) involved Christopher Mellon, Luis Elizondo, Jim Semivan, Steve Justice, and Hal Puthoff.
“the people who went ahead and setting up to the STARS Academy, I mean, did involve Chris Mellon, involved Lou Elizondo, Jim Simivan, Steve Justice from, you know, So anyway, and me.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:48:19.7-00:48:35.4 testimony first hand
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Aerospace companies at the time had difficulty getting new graduates to come work for them because nobody wanted to work for defence industries.
“it was hard for aerospace companies at that time to get new students to graduate and then come and work for them because nobody wanted to work for these defendants industries”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:48:58.0-00:49:08.8 testimony first hand
215
To the Stars Academy (TTSA) was not officially part of the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP).
“But it wasn't really, quote, officially part of AAWSAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:49:25.2-00:49:28.2 testimony first hand
216
Hal Puthoff and Avi Loeb did not personally involve themselves with Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDC) in pursuing the legacy program.
“Well, in our case, we didn't involve ourselves with the FFRDCs, which is what these organizations are. So I just never ran across that issue.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:55:57.7-00:56:07.1 testimony first hand
217
Hal Puthoff has referred to a specific element of the legacy program being shut down in 1989, which caused confusion because it was not the entire programme.
“when Dr. Puthoff's talking about the program being shut down in 1989, there was so much confusion. And I think we reached a good point today where it wasn't the program that was shut down, but a specific element of the legacy program that was shut down”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:58:00.2-00:58:11.5 testimony second hand
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Hal Puthoff has come across similar allegations that Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company and Northrop Grumman established their own self-funded retrieval and recovery activities.
“UAP Gerb: Have you come across similar allegations, Dr. Puthoff? Hal Puthoff: I've come across similar allegations, yes.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:58:27.8-00:58:32.9 testimony first hand
219
Hal Puthoff suggests going back to the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and asking to talk to the people involved in security there as an unexplored avenue of investigation.
“How about going back to DHS and asking to talk to the people involved in security there?”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:59:27.4-00:59:33.5 opinion first hand
220
United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) government security officers went searching for gatekeepers of the legacy program and found them, but could not gain access because Kona Blue had not yet been turned into an approved Special Access Program (SAP).
“The DHS government security officers who went searching for gatekeepers... And they found them... But they couldn't get access because even to begin to get access, you're going to have SAPs and Kona Blue had not yet been turned. It was a PSAP, a proposed SAP. It had not made it across the goal line to become an SAP.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 00:59:47.1-01:00:15.3 testimony first hand
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Hal Puthoff has never been part of the legacy program.
“I don't know for sure because I've never been part of the legacy program”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 01:00:31.5-01:00:34.8 administrative first hand
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Hal Puthoff suspects that legacy program personnel share information selectively based on whether it helps them accomplish their own objectives.
“I imagine that the legacy program people sit back there and if somebody comes along like say, a proposed Kona Blue, they may share information if they feel it's going to help them do whatever they're supposed to be doing, or if they think it's not going to help them, they just won't cooperate.”
Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 2026-06-30 01:00:35.4-01:00:53.8 opinion first hand
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Hal Puthoff is very interested in extended electrodynamics.
“which people like Hal Puthoff are very interested in”
The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 2026-07-14 01:31:21.5-01:31:23.6 testimony first hand
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The Lone Stars group included Jacques Vallee, Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff.
“This is Jacques Vallée, Eric Davis, Hal Puthoff, all the same people.”
The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 2026-07-14 02:02:36.1-02:02:39.6 testimony
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Whitley Strieber believes Hal Puthoff and James Lacatski refer to technological pieces left by the Non-Human Intelligence and picked up by humans as donations, though he is not certain he has the right scientists.
“they leave what people like, I believe, Hal Puthoff and Jim Lacatski refer to as donations. You know, these technological bits and pieces that we pick up and craft and so forth. They think of them as donations. I might not have the scientists who said that correct, but some important people in this have said that.”
The Terrible Truth About the Visitors - Whitley Strieber | ep. 96 2026-07-24 00:43:37.4-00:43:59.4 hearsay second hand
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Christopher Green, Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee attended the meetings Robert Bigelow describes.
“and uh Christopher Green, Hall Puthoff uh Jacques Vallée was there so we had the cream of the crop of thinkers”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:06:01.0-00:06:09.8 testimony first hand
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Hal Puthoff and Christopher Green were heavily involved in remote viewing work at Stanford Research Institute (SRI).
“And SRI, Stanford Research Institute, and friends of ours that we know, Hal Puthoff and Kit Green were very involved in that.”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:19:04.9-00:19:13.3 administrative first hand