Brief
Nat Kobitz
The claims the writer was given for Nat Kobitz, in the order they were given.
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Nat Kobitz called Ross Coulthart from his home in Baltimore, USA, when he was 92 years old, over a quarter of a century after the alleged Pentagon meeting.
“a kindly and clearly still sharp, albeit infirm, 92-year-old Nat Kobitz called me out of the blue from his home in Baltimore.”
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Nat Kobitz was fighting a terminal illness when he spoke with Ross Coulthart.
“Tragically, Kobitz was fighting a terminal illness and, when his daughter Celia was out of earshot, he whispered that he knew he didn't have long.”
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3
Nat Kobitz's daughter is named Celia Kobitz.
“when his daughter Celia was out of earshot, he whispered that he knew he didn't have long.”
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Nat Kobitz worked on the launch vehicle airframe for the Gemini space program.
“He worked on the launch vehicle air frame for the Gemini space program, as well as numerous navy surface ship and submarine projects in a near 30-year career.”
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Nat Kobitz worked on numerous United States Navy surface ship and submarine projects during his nearly 30-year career.
“as well as numerous navy surface ship and submarine projects in a near 30-year career.”
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In private consultancy, Nat Kobitz worked on a special shroud for the lunar orbiter.
“In private consultancy, he worked on a special shroud for the lunar orbiter.”
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Nat Kobitz was involved in developing a United States Navy unmanned aerial vehicle project called Sea Scout.
“Kobitz told me one self-effacing story about a navy unmanned aerial vehicle project he was involved in developing, called Sea Scout.”
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The Sea Scout unmanned aerial vehicle prototype was lost when it flew too near the Texas wedding of President Bush's daughter and the president's security protection jammers knocked the drone out.
“He confided the hugely expensive prototype was lost when it flew too near the Texas wedding of President Bush's daughter and the president's security protection jammers knocked the drone out.”
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Nat Kobitz said the Sea Scout unmanned aerial vehicle was buried about 1.2 metres into Texas soil after crashing.
“'We dug it four feet into Texas soil,' Kobitz told me with a chuckle.”
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Nat Kobitz said the Sea Scout unmanned aerial vehicle cost a million dollars to build and there was no more money after it crashed, ending the program.
“'It cost a million bucks to build and we didn't have any more money. That was the end of the program.'”
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Nat Kobitz confirmed he worked on anti-gravity or field propulsion technology and that the United States Navy was researching it, though he described his work as relatively unexciting.
“When I asked him if he ever worked on anti-gravity or field propulsion technology, he volunteered that he did and that the navy was researching it, but he would not tell me anything more, only that what he was working on was relatively unexciting.”
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Nat Kobitz described his propulsion research as a very low-energy ion propulsion system, whose unit of force was jokingly called micro-micro farts (MMF).
“'A propulsion system, very low energy ion propulsion,' he told me. 'The unit of force was MMF. Micro-micro farts.'”
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Nat Kobitz did not believe the United States had cracked the secret of anti-gravity despite years of secret research.
“In defiance of the claims in Novel's book, Kobitz confided that he did not think the United States had been able to crack the secret of anti-gravity despite years of secret research.”
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14
Nat Kobitz said that if he had not retired, he would eventually have been drawn into the anti-gravity research effort.
“'I think eventually, before I retired, they would have sucked me into it,' he said with no hint of deceit.”
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Nat Kobitz confirmed he met Gordon Novel and his son at a Pentagon meeting in July 1993, one year before he left the United States Navy.
“We moved on to Kobitz's alleged Pentagon meeting with Gordon Novel and son in July 1993, one year before he left the navy, and I was very surprised when he confirmed the meeting.”
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Nat Kobitz remembered Gordon Novel well, joking that Novel was 'unfortunately, a shoe salesman' and that 'everything looked good on my feet'.
“'I remember Gordon very well,' he laughed. 'Unfortunately, a shoe salesman. Everything looked good on my feet.'”
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Nat Kobitz said all he could remember about the alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) Fluxliner story was that 'it rings a bell'.
“he told me that all he can remember about the ARV Fluxliner story was that 'it rings a bell'.”
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After Ross Coulthart sent Nat Kobitz a detailed graphic of the purported alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) Fluxliner drawn by Mark McCandlish, Kobitz said he recognised it and concluded it was a hoax.
“Two days later, after I have sent him a detailed graphic of the purported ARV Fluxliner drawn by Mark McCandlish, he told me, 'Okay, I've seen that before. . . . And my conclusion is that it's a hoax. I'm sorry,' he told me.”
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Nat Kobitz confirmed to Ross Coulthart that he had been read into programs involving crashed UFOs or UAP and had never been read out of that clearance, but said he could not speak about it.
“'Nat, were you ever read into any programs involving crashed UFOs or UAPs?' I pressed, repeating the question so he knew for sure what I was asking. There was a deep pause and then he said, 'Yes, I was. I was never read out of it. So, I really don't think it would help but I really can't speak about it.'”
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When asked by Ross Coulthart whether he was aware of any recovered alien spacecraft inside the United States government, Nat Kobitz said he only had hearsay information and was being careful not to speculate about things he did not know directly.
“I asked, 'Nat, are you aware of any recovered alien spacecraft inside the US government?' He responded cryptically, 'I only have hearsay information. I tried to be very careful not to fall into the category that a fellow did once when I was much younger. He was in his 90s and he said, "Kobitz, let me tell you, some of my greatest adventures never really happened".'”
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When asked what he had heard about recovered alien technology, Nat Kobitz said that the United States had recovered, several times, what was thought to be alien spacecraft.
“So, I asked a different question, 'What have you heard about recovered alien tech?' Nat Kobitz answered without pausing, 'That we had recovered, several times, alien spacecraft. Or what was thought to be.'”
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When Ross Coulthart recited the official United States Air Force explanation that the recovered 1947 Roswell debris was a high-altitude nuclear test surveillance balloon from a secret project codenamed Mogul, Nat Kobitz laughed dismissively.
“I recited the official US Air Force explanation for the 1947 Roswell crash to him – that the recovered Roswell debris was merely a high-altitude nuclear test surveillance balloon from a secret project codenamed Mogul. He laughed dismissively”
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Nat Kobitz said that more than one person reported the recovered Roswell material was not soft, but hard metal pieces, and that he had heard of, but did not know of, any actual space people.
“and replied, 'More than one person reported that it was not soft material. It was hard metal pieces and I've heard, but do not know of any actual space people.'”
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Gordon Novel's book claimed he was in contact with a senior United States Navy scientist heading the navy's research and development, whom he pseudonymously named Walter 'Wally' Katz.
“he claimed to be in touch with a very senior US Navy scientist heading the navy's research and development, whom he pseudonymously dubbed Walter 'Wally' Katz.”
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Nat Kobitz confirmed to Ross Coulthart that the United States has been trying to develop recovered alien technology.
“'Are you able to confirm to me that the US has been trying to develop recovered alien technology?' Kobitz gave the question careful consideration. 'Yes, I can say that's so.'”
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Nat Kobitz made clear across several long conversations over three weeks that he would never breach the terms of his national security oath and reveal the full details of what he knew.
“In several long conversations over three weeks, Kobitz made it clear he would never breach the terms of his national security oath and reveal the full details of what he knew.”
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart about a UAP incident involving a navy pilot and a civilian pilot who both saw the same UAP, one described as a brilliant light that stopped, raced to another part of the sky, stopped again, and then disappeared, and the other described as a solid vehicle, variously described by the two witnesses as triangular or elliptical in shape.
“He also told me of other UAP incidents he was caught up in, involving a navy pilot and a civilian pilot who both saw the same UAPs. 'One was a brilliant light which could not be accounted for at all. Because at one point it stood still, raced to another part of the sky and stood still again and then disappeared. The other was a solid vehicle that – the two differed on this shape – one thought it was triangular and the other thought it was elliptical,' he told me.”
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Nat Kobitz left his role as Director of Science and Technology Development for the United States Navy in 1994 and set up a private consultancy called NKA Science.
“Nat Kobitz left his Navy Director of Science and Technology role in 1994 and set up a private consultancy called NKA Science.”
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Gordon Novel's book claimed that at a July 1993 Pentagon meeting between Gordon Novel, his son Sur Novel, and Nat Kobitz (pseudonymously called 'Wally Katz'), Kobitz revealed details of how alien reproduction vehicles were back-engineered from recovered extra-terrestrial craft.
“Novel's book claimed that Katz knew all about the secret work into these ARV Fluxliner craft and that, at a July 1993 Pentagon meeting between Gordon Novel and his son Sur and Katz, Katz let slip details to Novel of how they were back-engineered from recovered ET craft.”
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During his time at NKA Science, Nat Kobitz was invited to visit Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, to examine strange pieces of metal held under high security.
“Perhaps because of this expertise, Kobitz mentioned that, during his time at NKA, he was invited to visit Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, to examine some strange pieces of metal held under high security.”
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Nat Kobitz was read into a program working with recovered Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) technology during his time in the United States Navy.
“he wouldn’t talk any further about the program working with recovered UAP technology, which he admitted he was read into during his time at the navy”
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Nat Kobitz saw a piece of material at USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base that was reported to him as a titanium alloy not known to the United States Air Force.
“‘I saw a piece of piece of material that was reported to me as being a titanium alloy that was not known to the air force. I did not know what it was, I was not told what it was.’”
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The titanium alloy fragment Nat Kobitz examined at USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was approximately 0.9 by 1.2 metres in size.
“It was a piece about three by maybe four feet.”
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The titanium alloy fragment Nat Kobitz examined showed no attachment except something that appeared welded to it, but was not actually welded.
“It showed no attachment except something welded to it. But it was not welded to it.”
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The titanium alloy fragment Nat Kobitz examined was integral with the surrounding skin, comparable to being integral with a bulkhead.
“It just was integral with, if you could think of it as a bulkhead, it was integral with the skin, if that helps.”
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Electron beam welding typically leaves a small bead or line at the joint, which manufacturing staff initially believed was how the bulkhead was attached to the skin on the Wright-Patterson fragment, but Nat Kobitz did not think it looked that way.
“If you know something about electron beam, you know that it doesn’t leave a little bead. They thought that this bulkhead was attached to the skin by electron beam, but it did not look like that to me.”
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Nat Kobitz observed that the titanium alloy fragment at Wright-Patterson appeared to be cast in place, showing no interruption, unlike typical electron beam welds which sometimes show a small line.
“It looked like the thing was cast. It was completely strange for me. When you see something cast in place, it is integral and shows no interruption. Even with electron beam, you’ll sometimes see a small line. But this showed nothing, and this is what was strange about this to these manufacturing people.”
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Nat Kobitz's expert opinion was that there was no known industrial process that could replicate the bond he saw on the titanium alloy fragment at USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
“Kobitz’s expert opinion was there was no known industrial process that could replicate the bond he saw on that curious fragment of metal at Wright-Patterson.”
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Nat Kobitz reserved judgement on whether the titanium alloy fragment he examined was from a craft not of this world.
“He reserved judgement on whether the fragment was from some craft not of this world and he only chuckled when I flatly asked if he thought the metal was extra-terrestrial.”
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Shortly before his death, Nat Kobitz's daughter contacted Ross Coulthart to say Nat Kobitz had taken a turn for the worse.
“Shortly after our last conversation, his daughter contacted me to say he had taken a turn for the worse.”
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Nat Kobitz was, in Ross Coulthart's assessment, a warm, generous and hugely intelligent patriot who was fiercely proud of the work he did for the United States Navy.
“Nat Kobitz was a warm, generous and hugely intelligent patriot, who was fiercely proud of the work he did for the US Navy.”
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An anonymous source given the pseudonym 'Sidewinder' by Ross Coulthart was a former scientist at the United States Naval Weapons Center China Lake, in USA, California, and was introduced to Coulthart by Nat Kobitz.
“One of those he put me on to was a former boffin for the US Naval Weapons Centre in California at the massive China Lake base. Now retired, that person wants to stay anonymous – let’s call him Sidewinder.”
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Ross Coulthart considers it likely that debunkers would correctly point out that his quoted sources, including Nat Kobitz and Sidewinder, never personally saw hard evidence of extra-terrestrial technology held by the US government.
“I am sure the debunkers will say that my quoted sources never saw any hard evidence of extra-terrestrial technology held by the US government, and they are absolutely right.”
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Nat Kobitz said he was read into a UFO-UAP 'program' involving crashed extra-terrestrial spacecraft, and that there was an active program underway attempting to back-engineer that technology.
“It was fascinating that Kobitz said he was read into a UFO-UAP ‘program’ involving crashed extra-terrestrial spacecraft, and that there was an active program underway attempting to back-engineer that technology.”
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Gordon Novel's book quoted 'Wally Katz' as reluctantly admitting the alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) was a reproduction of a universal UFO drive design, that he was willing to fund Hal Puthoff's zero-point energy research and development program and secretly show how to do it, but that the antigravity system of the ARV had to remain a 'Supreme Cosmic Secret' and the number one national security issue.
“'Wally [Katz] admitted reluctantly that [the] ARV was, in fact, a reproduction of a universal UFO drive design . . . he was willing to fund [Hal Puthoff's] zero point energy (ZPE) research and development program and secretly show us how to do it, but the antigravity system of ARV was going to have to remain a "Supreme Cosmic Secret" and the Number one national security issue.'”
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Gordon Novel's book gave two senior government officials the pseudonyms Wally Katz and Richard Cash, presenting them as the two people most in the know about the alleged secret anti-gravity reverse-engineering program.
“he dropped the names of two senior government officials to whom he gave the pseudonyms Wally Katz and Richard Cash, suggesting they were the two people he met who were most in the know.”
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Gordon Novel's book stated that barring 'Wally Katz' or 'Richard Cash' writing a tell-all book detailing the alleged secret reverse-engineering program and how the funding for it was created, tested and hidden, it is extremely doubtful the program will ever be exposed.
“'Barring someone like Wally Katz or Richard Cash, Esq, writing a tell-all book detailing the program and the route that the deep black money took to create, test and hide ARV etc., it is extremely doubtful that the program will ever be exposed,' Novel wrote.”
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Gordon Novel's book described how, at a Pentagon meeting, 'Wally Katz' shook visibly when Novel presented him with an updated colourised version of Mark McCandlish's ARV layout, witnessed by Novel's son Sur.
“'Wally Katz shook visibly (as my son, Lucky, will attest) when I presented him with an updated colorized version of McCandlish's ARV layout'.”
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Gordon Novel claimed he tape-recorded the conversations he had with all the insiders he met, including 'Katz'.
“It intrigued me that Novel also claimed he tape-recorded the conversations he had with all the insiders he met, including 'Katz'”
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Nat Kobitz was the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the United States Navy.
“Nat Kobitz, the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the US Navy, rang me one day out of the blue.”
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Nat Kobitz phoned Ross Coulthart unprompted in early 2020 after receiving a letter from him.
“Nat Kobitz, the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the US Navy, rang me one day out of the blue. He liked my letter.”
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Sur Novel confirmed the man his father Gordon Novel met at the Pentagon, pseudonymously called 'Wally Katz' in Novel's book, was in fact an official named Nat Kobitz.
“He confirmed the man they met was not a 'Wally Katz' but an official named Nat Kobitz, which is what I had assumed based on the book's description of his navy R&D role.”
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Sur Novel recalled his father Gordon Novel showing Mark McCandlish's drawing of the alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) craft to Nat Kobitz in his Pentagon office.
“Sur even remembered his father flourishing McCandlish's drawing of the ARV craft at Kobitz in his Pentagon office.”
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Sur Novel described Nat Kobitz's facial reaction to seeing the ARV Fluxliner drawing as one of surprise, not alarm, as if he recognised what it was rather than treating it as something to report to the FBI or a national security threat.
“'The look on [Kobitz'] face was kind of like, what are you doing with this? It wasn't like, call the FBI and arrest this guy, national security or anything like that. It was just kind of like, you know it. You know,' Sur said.”
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Sur Novel confirmed he personally met Nat Kobitz and that his father Gordon Novel had many old Central Intelligence Agency contacts and knew people from covert intelligence circles.
“'Basically, it's true you know, I did meet the guy. I don't know how Dad got a hold of him, but he had a lot of old CIA contacts and knew people, you know, from the black world.'”
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Sur Novel described Nat Kobitz's reaction to seeing the ARV Fluxliner image as looking like 'what are you doing with this' and not like a joke.
“'Man, he was basically like, what are you doing with this, kind of type of deal . . . it didn't look like it was like, like a joke or anything like that,' he replied.”
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Ross Coulthart has a sceptical hunch that Gordon Novel embellished what Nat Kobitz said at the Pentagon meeting in order to lure readers of his book into funding his anti-gravity propulsion project.
“I have a sceptical hunch that Gordon Novel embellished what Kobitz said at this meeting to lure readers of his book into funding his 'anti-gravity propulsion' project.”
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Nat Kobitz made inquiries with colleagues in the United States Navy about Salvatore Pais's patents on Ross Coulthart's behalf, and none of them had any information on Salvatore Pais or on working prototypes of his patents.
“I asked former US Navy R&D boss Nat Kobitz if he knew anything about Pais's patents and he made a few discrete inquiries. The answer came back that nobody Kobitz or his colleagues knew in the US Navy had any information on either Dr Pais or whether there were any working prototypes of any of his patents.”
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If a working anti-gravity (AG) craft exists, the United States Navy has kept it very quiet.
“'If there is anything near a working AG (anti-gravity) craft, they've kept it very quiet,' I was told.”
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Nat Kobitz was the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the United States Navy.
“the late Nat Kobitz, the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the US Navy”
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Ross Coulthart is in no doubt that Nat Kobitz told him the truth of what he knew and saw about the alleged crash retrieval program.
“I am in absolutely no doubt that Nat Kobitz told me the truth of what he knew and saw”
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that he was 'read into' a crash retrieval program and shown crafted bonded metal technology beyond anything he had ever seen before.
“he was 'read into' a crash retrieval program and shown crafted bonded metal technology beyond anything he had ever seen before”
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that an unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) reverse-engineering programme was underway.
“If what Nat Kobitz told me is correct – that a UAP reverse-engineering program was underway”
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Ross Coulthart considers the testimony of Nat Kobitz and other anonymous sources as circumstantial evidence warranting more serious consideration of the possibility that the United States is sitting on recovered alien technology.
“Th ere is considerable circumstantial evidence (including the testimony of Nat Kobitz and my other anonymous sources) to warrant this being taken more seriously than it has been to date, but I still think it is impossible to yet reach a defi nitive conclusion.”
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Nat Kobitz, former Director of the US Navy's Science and Technology Development, admitted to the author that he had been briefed into secret programs allegedly involving the retrieval of and attempts to re-engineer alien spacecraft.
“Nat Kobitz, former Director of the US Navy's Science and Technology Development, who admitted to the author being briefed into secret programs allegedly involving the retrieval of and attempts to re-engineer alien spacecraft.”
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Nat Kobitz examined a strange metal bulkhead from a craft of unknown origin.
“He also examined a strange metal bulkhead from a craft of unknown origin.”
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Nat Kobitz was one of the most senior US Defense Department insiders ever to go public with claims of retrieved alien technology.
“Kobitz was one of the most senior US Defense Department insiders ever to go public with claims of retrieved alien technology.”
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Nat Kobitz was director of science and technology development for the United States Navy for more than 30 years.
“I'd met a guy called Nat Kobitz, who was a director of science technology development for the US Navy for 30 something years.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:11.4-02:34:18.2 administrative first hand
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When Ross Coulthart wrote to Nat Kobitz, Kobitz was dying of cancer and calculated that he had nothing to lose by talking to Coulthart.
“when I wrote him a letter, it just turned out that he was sadly dying from cancer. And he calculated that he had nothing to lose by talking to me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:21.7-02:34:31.2 testimony first hand
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Nat Kobitz candidly assisted Ross Coulthart's investigations, gave him the names of people to speak to and opened doors for him.
“And so he very candidly assisted me with my investigations and gave me the names of people to speak to and helped open the door for me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:31.6-02:34:41.0 testimony first hand
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Ross Coulthart received a reply letter from Nat Kobitz and subsequently had a series of phone calls and online meetings with him.
“I got a letter back and then eventually I had a whole series of phone calls and meetings online with a wonderful man called Nat Kobitz”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:51.1-00:30:59.2 testimony first hand
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Nat Kobitz was the former director of science, technology and development for the entire United States Navy.
“Nat Kobitz, who was the former director of science, technology and development for the entire US Navy.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:58.7-00:31:06.3 administrative first hand
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Nat Kobitz lived in Baltimore.
“he was a wisecracking Brooklyn Jew, lived in Baltimore.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:11.8-00:31:15.6 administrative first hand
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When Ross Coulthart spoke with him, Nat Kobitz was dying slowly from cancer and was staying with his daughter.
“He was sadly, when I spoke to him, dying very slowly from cancer and he was staying with his daughter”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:16.7-00:31:21.4 testimony first hand
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Nat Kobitz passed away while he and Ross Coulthart were in the process of talking extensively about what he knew.
“I can reveal Nat's name because sadly he passed away while he and I were in the process of talking extensively about what he knew.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:30.2-00:31:37.9 testimony first hand
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Nat Kobitz introduced Ross Coulthart to people who had direct knowledge of The Legacy Program.
“It was Nat who introduced me to people who had direct knowledge of the program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:53.3-00:32:00.4 testimony first hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart he had been read in, that is national security briefed, into The Legacy Program.
“Nat also told me that he had been read in i.e. security briefed national security briefed into the legacy program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:02.3-00:32:12.0 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that the United States has recovered multiple non-human craft.
“the fact that the United States has recovered quote multiple non-human craft”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:12.5-00:32:18.3 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz was an expert on electron beam welding, an almost invisible weld.
“because he was an expert on a particular type of welding called, I think it's called electron beam welding, which is an almost invisible weld”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:22.9-00:32:30.8 testimony first hand
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Nat Kobitz was invited to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base after he left the employment of the United States Navy, while Ross Coulthart suspects he still held a security clearance.
“after he left the employee of the US Navy, but while I suspect he still had a security clearance, ... He was invited to come to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:32.1-00:32:41.1 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart he was taken deep underground at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to what was clearly a highly secure installation.
“And he was taken deep underground to what he says was clearly a highly secure installation.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:53.3-00:32:59.8 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz acknowledged to Ross Coulthart that what he was shown underground at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was probably pieces of an alien spacecraft.
“where he was shown what in the end he acknowledged to me was probably bits of an alien spacecraft”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:01.0-00:33:07.1 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that the item he was shown at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was a piece of broken bulkhead that was incredibly feather-light despite being very large.
“what he saw was a piece of broken bulkhead that was incredibly feather light even though it was a very large bit of bulkhead”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:08.6-00:33:15.2 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart he was asked at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to examine two metals joined in the bulkhead to determine how they had been joined.
“they were asking him to look at two metals that were joined in that bulkhead to see how they'd been joined”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:16.5-00:33:22.0 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that those examining the bulkhead at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base thought the join might be electron beam welding, but it was not.
“They thought it might be the technique that he was familiar with, electron beam welding, but it wasn't.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:23.9-00:33:29.0 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that the two metals in the bulkhead at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base were bonded at the atomic level, a type of almost three-dimensional bonding of two different metals that defied his understanding as a scientist.
“he said to me with total awe that this was bonded at the atomic level, that it was a type of almost 3D construction of bonding of two different types of metal in a way that he said completely defied his understanding as a scientist.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:30.7-00:33:49.4 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz was one of the top scientists in the United States Navy.
“this is one of the top scientists in the US Navy.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:52.2-00:33:55.4 opinion first hand
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Nat Kobitz had worked at China Lake and had been inside top secret facilities buried in hillsides in different parts of the United States.
“And he'd been all over the place, China Lake. He'd seen all the top secret facilities. He'd been inside all the big hillsides buried in different parts of America.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:34:09.3-00:34:18.9 testimony second hand
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Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart privately that there is no good reason why the American public should not know the truth about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“And I can only reiterate what he told me privately. There is no good reason why the American public shouldn't know the truth, which is why he shared what he shared with me”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:34:32.8-00:34:46.5 opinion second hand
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Through Nat Kobitz's instigation and introductions, Ross Coulthart met people inside The Legacy Program who put everything on the line to tell him what they knew.
“as a result of his instigation and his introductions, I met some fabulous, brave, courageous people inside the legacy program who put everything on the line to tell me what they knew.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:34:56.2-00:35:10.3 testimony first hand