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Ross Coulthart
The claims the writer was given for Ross Coulthart, in the order they were given.
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Beatriz Villarroel is a Swedish astronomer and physicist.
“Dr. Beatriz Villarroel, the Swedish astronomer and physicist”
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Dennis Åsberg is an explorer who discovered the Baltic Sea anomaly.
“Dennis Åsberg, the renowned explorer who's responsible for the so-called Baltic Sea anomaly”
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Beatriz Villarroel's research identified highly reflective specular transient objects in geostationary orbit, detected on photographic plates from before 1957, that disappeared from later plates in the following days, weeks, or months.
“Beatriz has done groundbreaking work with so-called transient objects, highly reflective specular objects in outer space in geostationary orbit that are detected one moment on photographic plates that were pre-1957... and then in days, weeks, months following, those transient objects disappeared from those plates.”
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Beatriz Villarroel's transience theory has received peer-reviewed acclaim.
“Dr. Beatriz Villarroel's transience theory, for which she has received peer-reviewed acclaim”
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Dennis Åsberg discovered the Baltic Sea anomaly in 2011.
“he discovered the so-called Baltic anomaly in 2011”
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Dennis Åsberg's OceanX diving team discovered a massive disc-shaped formation resting approximately 90 metres underwater.
“His OceanX diving team discovered this massive disc-shaped formation resting 90 metres underwater”
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The Baltic Sea anomaly is approximately 60 metres wide.
“60 metres wide, with curiously angular ridges, very symmetrical in structure”
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The Baltic Sea anomaly has curiously angular, very symmetrical ridges in its structure.
“with curiously angular ridges, very symmetrical in structure”
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Sensor instruments reportedly malfunction near the Baltic Sea anomaly, echoing similar effects reported at the Merivälja object.
“sensor instruments reportedly malfunction near the object echoing the tails from Merivälja”
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The Merivälja object has been part of local mythology in Tallinn, Estonia for a long time.
“It's clearly been known a part and part of the local mythology in Tallinn in Estonia for quite some time.”
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Russian documents show that a Russian survey team investigated the Merivälja object and had personnel on site for possibly as much as ten years.
“The documents show well that the Russians had a survey team there. They had somebody on site for quite a few years. I think over a span of possibly as much as 10 years they were investigating this object.”
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Dennis Åsberg and Beatriz Villarroel travelled from Sweden to Tallinn, Estonia to investigate the Merivälja object.
“you and Beatriz heroically, bravely crossed the ditch across from Sweden and came to Tallinn on our behalf to see what you could find”
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Beatriz Villarroel subsequently exchanged emails with the homeowner of the Merivälja object site after the initial visit where nobody answered the door.
“there was no answer from the homeowner, but you've subsequently exchanged emails with the homeowner, haven't you?”
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According to Mart Sander's research, the Soviet researcher Alexander Deyev, who occupied the Merivälja site for several years investigating the object, analysed the Nuremberg celestial phenomenon engraving of 1566.
“the Soviet researcher who occupied the site for quite a few years investigating the Merivälja object, I think his name was Alexander Deyev, he had done an analysis of this Nuremberg uh engraving”
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The Nuremberg celestial phenomenon engraving of 1566 shows what appears to be an aerial phenomenon, and it was traditionally believed to depict an event over the city of Nuremberg, Germany.
“this engraving shows what appears to be some kind of aerial phenomenon and everybody thought it was over the city of nuremberg”
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Alexander Deyev theorised, based on the position of celestial objects depicted, that the Nuremberg celestial phenomenon engraving of 1566 more likely depicted an event over the Baltic Sea, possibly over Tallinn, rather than over Nuremberg.
“he apparently had the theory that it was more likely because of the position of celestial objects somewhere over the Baltic Sea and possibly over Tallinn”
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Alexander Deyev hypothesised that the Merivälja object might be one of a group of objects that fell during an alleged aerial or orbital battle depicted in the Nuremberg celestial phenomenon engraving of 1566.
“he hypothesized that Merivälja might be one of a group of objects that had fallen during this alleged aerial battle or perhaps orbital battle into the area”
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Igor Volker is a ufologist who did extensive work researching the Merivälja object and the Soviet investigation reports.
“Igor Volker, who's the ufologist who did a lot of work on Merivälja, and also the Soviet papers, the reports of the Soviet investigation team that did this work with the KGB”
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Soviet investigation reports on the Merivälja object describe electromagnetic interference that affected machines on site.
“they acknowledge some kind of electromagnetic interference that was suffered on site machines didn't work properly there”
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Soviet investigation reports on the Merivälja object describe alleged poltergeist activity, including books being thrown across the room.
“there was um poltergeist alleged poltergeist activity where books were thrown across the room”
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Dennis Åsberg has reported anomalous phenomena around the Baltic Sea anomaly similar to those reported at the Merivälja object.
“you've been reporting pretty much the same kind of anomalous phenomena in and around the baltic sea anomaly object haven't you”
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Soviet documents indicate there was some difficulty in attempting to retrieve the Merivälja object.
“does appear from what the soviet documents say to have been some difficulty in attempting to retrieve the Merivälja object”
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Mart Sander believes the Merivälja object was never actually recovered by the Soviets because it inexplicably moved through the soil away from those attempting to retrieve it.
“Mart Sander actually says to us in his interview that he thinks the object was never actually recovered by the soviets that they weren't able to get to it because somehow inexplicably... it moved through the soil away from the people attempting to retrieve it”
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A Japanese TV crew reportedly conducted a ground-penetrating radar study at the Merivälja object site, documented in a surviving 1991 documentary available on YouTube.
“there was allegedly a Japanese TV crew. And there is, in fact, a documentary that survives that you can find on YouTube where the Japanese TV crew is shown actually doing a ground penetrating radar study on the site.”
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The conclusions of the Japanese ground-penetrating radar study of the Merivälja object are not known.
“we don't know what they concluded in that GPR, the ground penetrating radar study.”
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Beatriz Villarroel's European Crash Retrieval Initiative is investigating around five objects in and around Europe and Scandinavia, including the Merivälja object.
“the other objects that we're aware of, five objects that Beatriz is referring to in and around Europe, Scandinavia”
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There were people in Merivälja, Estonia, involved in the retrieval of the Merivälja object as recently as 1991, when a Japanese investigation team was present there.
“There are people in Merivälja, clearly, who were involved in the retrieval as recently as, I believe, 1991, when there was a Japanese investigation team there.”
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There is some question over whether the 1991 Japanese investigation team that examined the Merivälja object were genuinely all from Asahi TV.
“Some question marks about whether that Japanese team were indeed all genuinely from Asahi TV.”
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Ross Coulthart speculates that the 1991 Japanese investigation team examining the Merivälja object may have served as cover for a US intelligence operation, reasoning that an American team operating visibly in Tallinn, a former Eastern Bloc Soviet Socialist Republic, would have been sensitive in the early months of Perestroika.
“or wherever they were cover perhaps for some U.S intelligence operation i i'm guessing that in the very early months of Perestroika uh it would have been sensitive for an american team to be on the ground so visibly in a place like talin a former eastern bloc uh soviet socialist republic so i i'm guessing maybe there's a possibility that the americans used that japanese team to investigate”
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The homeowner of the Merivälja property has been harassed by people repeatedly knocking on their door wanting to talk about the Merivälja object.
“They're pretty sick of being harassed by people knocking on their door wanting to talk about the Merivälja object.”
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Ross Coulthart has conducted a year-long investigation into Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, documenting it in a book and on camera.
“Ross Coulthard has been on a year-long investigation. Along the way, recording every moment, every revelation in a book and on camera.”
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Ross Coulthart travelled to Exmouth, Western Australia to investigate reported alien visitor activity in the area.
“Destination Exmouth, Western Australia. On our way here, it feels less like another country than another planet, an alien landscape where it's alleged visitors from another world have paid particular attention to us.”
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Ross Coulthart travelled to Exmouth, Western Australia to investigate reported strange aerial activity above the town, which is described as Australia's own Roswell.
“Under the watchful eye of the town's flightless guards, Ross Coulthart has arrived here to investigate the strange activities of something that's been flying above Exmouth. Down Under's very own Roswell.”
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The two Australian Federal Police officers who were with Annie during the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting were then known as Protective Service, and later became part of the Australian Federal Police.
“She was in the company of two Australian federal police officers who were then known as Protective Service but are now part of the federal police.”
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After the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting, Annie and the two Australian Federal Police officers with her were cross-examined and interrogated by Americans at the base in the days following the incident.
“And those police officers and her were cross-examined, interrogated by American people in the base in the days following the incident.”
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Ross Coulthart considers it a secret investigation by Americans into what Annie says she saw during the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting, intended to keep her quiet.
“I'm in no doubt whatsoever that it was a secret investigation by the Americans into what Annie says that she saw. And they didn't want her to talk about it.”
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Ross Coulthart considers Annie's account of the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting to have been consistent throughout, with excellent recall, and finds her credible.
“I think her story has been consistent all the way through. She's got excellent recall. She's somebody who's got a very sturdy reputation in the jobs that she's done inside the WA Public Service. Nobody can lay a glove on her, I think, in terms of credibility.”
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Ross Coulthart considers that something extremely anomalous and unusual is still happening at the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station.
“I think that something extremely anomalous and unusual is still happening up at Northwest Cape.”
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An anomaly at the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station has been identified and witnessed by numerous people, including members of Australia's Defence Department, on multiple occasions, according to files Ross Coulthart has seen.
“But there is an anomaly that has been identified and witnessed by numerous people. And I know, because I've seen the files, it has also been seen on multiple occasions by people in our Defence Department.”
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Some sighting reports of the anomaly at the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station are held in Australia's National Archives.
“And some of those sightings reports are in our National Archives.”
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During the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting, the craft hovered next to Annie's car while it was travelling at 100 kilometres per hour.
“It literally came and hovered next to the car as it was driving along at 100 kilometres an hour.”
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Australia continues to transmit on behalf of the Americans from the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station, and activities there remain cloaked in secrecy.
“We are still transmitting on behalf of the Americans from Northwest Cape, and what happens there is cloaked in secrecy.”
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When Ross Coulthart's crew tried to film around the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station, Australia's Defence Department stopped them from filming.
“When we tried to go there and film around the base, the Defence Department kicked us off.”
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Ross Coulthart's crew were told they were not allowed to film certain aspects of the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station, which remains highly confidential.
“They told us that we weren't allowed to film certain aspects of the base. It remains highly confidential to this day.”
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Ross Coulthart's crew had to pull back to a hill approximately 10 kilometres from the Harold Holt Naval Communications Station.
“In fact, I think we had to pull back to a hill which was about 10 kilometres distant.”
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The Hopeless Diamond was a stealth aircraft design shown to Annie as a possible explanation for the craft she saw during the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting.
“The really interesting thing about this is that this is a stealth craft called the hopeless diamond.”
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Ross Coulthart suggested that if the craft Annie saw in 1991 was human-constructed, it may indicate the Americans were testing advanced technology over Exmouth.
“Well, if it is human constructed, it suggests that maybe the Americans were testing some kind of advanced technology over X-Math.”
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The craft observed during the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting showed hypersonic, instantaneous velocity with no accompanying sonic boom.
“This thing also showed hypersonic, instantaneous hypersonic velocity. And with that, was there a sonic boom? No.”
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The craft observed during the 1991 Harold Holt Naval Communications Station UFO sighting was whisper quiet, with no noise from any propulsion system.
“It was also whisper quiet. There was no noise of any propulsion system at all.”
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The Australian government holds thousands of UFO sighting reports going back decades, many of them once classified secret or top secret.
“The Australian government holds thousands of UFO sightings reports going back decades, many of them once classified secret or top secret.”
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Ross Coulthart says he was told by a person who saw it being prepared that a very secret Australian UFO report exists which is not held in the National Archives, and which he considers perhaps Australia's greatest UFO mystery.
“But there's one very secret report, which I know exists because I've spoken to someone who saw it being prepared, which isn't in these archives, and it should be. it's perhaps Australia's greatest UFO mystery of all.”
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Ross Coulthart considers eyewitness testimony from the 1966 Westall High School UFO sighting to be first-person evidence of a mechanical, intelligently controlled object hovering above witnesses.
“This is first-person evidence from people saying, I saw a craft, a mechanical object, intelligently controlled, hovering above me. That's good evidence. I think that's evidence that deserves to be taken seriously.”
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Ross Coulthart believes somebody has buried the Department of Supply report on the 1966 Westall High School UFO sighting.
“I think somebody has buried the Department of Supply report, which I know exists.”
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An anonymous source claiming to be one of multiple defence and intelligence sources - described as two former officials and one serving senior official - told Ross Coulthart that the United States has recovered alien extraterrestrial technology, including spacecraft.
“I've been told here in America by multiple defence and intelligence sources, two former and one serving senior officials, something quite amazing, that America has recovered alien extraterrestrial technology, including spacecraft.”
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An anonymous source claiming to be a senior US defence or intelligence official told Ross Coulthart that one recovered alien spacecraft came from near Roswell, New Mexico.
“And one of them was recovered from near here.”
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Scott Ramsey found out about the 1948 Roswell crash site by accident from local Navajo Indians talking about the crash site.
“Scott found out by accident from local Navajo Indians talking about the crash site.”
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Krista is the granddaughter of a man who reportedly saw the 1948 Roswell craft hit another mesa before the crash.
“we were privileged to be able to meet the granddaughter of the man who saw that craft hit that hill, a woman called Krista.”
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A drone was used to capture vision and photographs of a mark on a rock at the mesa believed to have been struck by the 1948 Roswell craft.
“John, our cameraman, put his drone up and for the first time we got drone vision and photographs of this mark on this bit of rock.”
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Witnesses say they worked on a recovered alien spacecraft and that the United States government is trying to re-engineer that technology.
“You've got witnesses who say that they've worked on a recovered alien spacecraft and that the United States government is trying to re-engineer that technology.”
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A report on UFOs was expected to be delivered to the United States Congress from the Pentagon in June 2021.
“We know that sometime this coming month, June, a report comes into the US Congress from the Pentagon, which will supposedly reveal all it knows on UFOs.”
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Grant Denyer contacted Ross Coulthart to report a sighting of unidentified objects hovering over Narre Warren in south-east Melbourne when he was about 19 years old.
“So Grant Denyer approached us this week and told us that he had had a sighting of unidentified objects hovering over Nary Warren in South East Melbourne when he was about 19 years old.”
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A person claiming to be a senior federal politician told Ross Coulthart that he had seen a flying saucer hover over him and his girlfriend at a beach, but declined to speak about it on the record.
“one of the people who called me this week was a very senior federal politician. And he told me that he'd had an experience with his girlfriend where he'd seen a flying saucer hover over him at a beach. And I said, will you go on the record? Will you talk about it? And he went, not on your nelly, never.”
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The Westall school incident remains Australia's, and one of the world's, most witnessed unexplained UAP sighting.
“What the school children and teachers saw became known as the Westall school incident, and it remains Australia's, and one of the world's, most witnessed unexplained UAP sighting.”
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Ross Coulthart considers the evidence suggestive of an official cover-up at Westall, despite being loath to believe in cover-up conspiracies.
“As much as I am loath to believe in cover-up conspiracies, the evidence suggests an official cover-up did take place at Westall.”
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Ross Coulthart requested a flier be sent to Westall witnesses inviting them to attend the 55th anniversary of the 1966 event in April 2021 and be interviewed by him.
“When, at my request, a flier was sent out to Westall witnesses, inviting them to attend the 55th anniversary of the 1966 event in April 2021 and be interviewed by this author”
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A long-time friend of Ross Coulthart who had served in a senior position in the Australian Federal public service for many years revealed his own private Westall connection, that his father was a Defence scientist who worked for the then Federal Department of Supply in Melbourne.
“He had heard about my interest in the mystery and revealed his own very private Westall connection – that his father was a Defence scientist who had worked for the then Federal Department of Supply in Melbourne.”
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An anonymous friend of Ross Coulthart said that in the wake of the Westall incident his father, a Defence scientist, investigated the event and wrote a secret report about it for the Department of Supply.
“He told me that in the wake of the Westall incident his father had investigated the event and written a secret report about it for the Department”
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An anonymous friend of Ross Coulthart said that in the days after the Westall mass sighting, a black Humber car arrived at his family home from the Department of Supply every morning to take his father back out to the school each day.
“that in the days after the mass sighting 'a black Humber car arrived at our family home from the Department early every morning to take him back out each day to the school'.”
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An anonymous friend of Ross Coulthart said he heard whispered discussions in the family home related to Westall as a child but knew nothing of what his father's report revealed, only that what his father uncovered had 'shocked and rattled him'.
“He heard whispered discussions in the family home and knew it related to Westall but he knew nothing of what his father's report revealed, only that what his dad uncovered had 'shocked and rattled him'.”
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No document on the Westall incident has ever surfaced from any Australian government archives, despite strenuous efforts by several researchers.
“Not one document on the Westall incident has ever surfaced from any government archives, despite strenuous efforts by several researchers.”
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Ross Coulthart is in no doubt a secret report on the Westall incident was written, based on his assessment of the credibility and integrity of his anonymous source.
“Knowing the credibility and integrity of my source, I am in absolutely no doubt a report was written.”
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No official government explanation has ever been offered for what the huge number of witnesses saw at Westall on 6 April 1966.
“The most curious aspect of the case was that no official government explanation has ever been ventured for what the huge number of witnesses saw that day.”
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Researcher Shane Ryan has interviewed 122 witnesses who clearly saw a 'flying saucer' at Westall.
“Researcher Shane Ryan told me he has interviewed an extraordinary tally of 122 witnesses who clearly saw a 'flying saucer' at Westall.”
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Shane Ryan works in his day job at Australia's Parliament House in Canberra.
“Ryan is a dogged investigator who works in his day job at Australia's Parliament House in Canberra.”
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Shane Ryan interviewed 171 witnesses who say they saw the circle of crushed grass in The Grange bushland where an intense military operation was later watched by locals.
“He tells me proudly that he interviewed 171 witnesses who say they saw the circle of crushed grass in The Grange bushland where an intense military operation was later watched by locals.”
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Ross Coulthart suspects one explanation for Australia's official reluctance to acknowledge UAP sightings is that the Australian military did not like admitting it had no idea what was flying unhindered in and out of Australian airspace, including over nuclear bomb sites such as Maralinga.
“I suspect one explanation for the official attempt to brush off most sightings was that Australia’s military simply did not like admitting that it had no idea what it was that was zooming unhindered in and out of our airspace, including over nuclear bomb sites such as Maralinga.”
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A senior Australian military intelligence insider, in a conversation with Ross Coulthart, said Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) are still frequently observed over sensitive Australian military facilities, including unexplained sightings recorded over the Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap.
“One senior Australian military intelligence insider told me UAPs are still frequently observed over sensitive military facilities, including unexplained sightings recorded over the super-secret Pine Gap US/Australian base 18 kilometres south-west of Alice Springs.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:20870-21126 hearsay second hand
78
A senior Australian military intelligence insider, in a conversation with Ross Coulthart, said that once objects over sensitive Australian facilities are confirmed as not being craft operated by the Russian or Chinese military or any potential foe, the prevailing view is that no one gives much more thought to what they were.
“But once the objects are confirmed as not being craft operated by the Russian or Chinese military or any potential foe, the prevailing view was that no one gave much more thought to what they were.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:21135-21327 hearsay second hand
79
Ross Coulthart considers it an extraordinary admission that no more thought is given to unidentified incursions into prohibited Australian defence installations, since such an incursion is by definition a threat.
“I considered this to be an extraordinary admission, because surely any incursion into a prohibited Defence installation is by definition a threat?”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:21333-21472 opinion first hand
80
Several agencies within the US government have been among those most active in seeking to shut down public interest in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon.
“What we can be sure of is that among those most active in seeking to shut down public interest in the phenomenon are several three-letter agencies within the US government.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:21636-21823 opinion first hand
81
Ross Coulthart finds it difficult to escape the impression that the true purpose of Project Blue Book and the Condon Report was to shut down public interest in and scrutiny of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) sightings.
“It is difficult to escape the impression that Project Blue Book and the Condon Report’s true purpose was an attempt to shut down public interest in and the scrutiny of UAP sightings.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:24028-24200 opinion first hand
82
Ross Coulthart considers the 1985 United States Air Force summary's statement that nothing indicated the air force should resume investigating UFOs to be a blatant deceit.
“But this was a blatant deceit.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:24387-24410 opinion first hand
83
Secret official investigations into Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) have never actually stopped.
“Moreover, secret official investigations into UAPs have never actually stopped.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:24551-24622 opinion first hand
84
Several unnamed sources claiming knowledge of the matter told Ross Coulthart and other researchers that a secret collection unit using former military and intelligence personnel still exists but is run through the cover of a group of US aerospace corporations.
“Several sources have claimed to me and other researchers that a secret collection unit using ex-military and intelligence experts still exists but that it is run through the cover of a group of US aerospace corporations.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:3483-3690 hearsay second hand
85
Project Blue Book appears to have been largely for public show.
“This went way beyond Project Blue Book, which appears to have been largely for public show.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:378-464 opinion first hand
86
Philip Klass tried to get Robert Jacobs sacked from his university job because Jacobs was supposedly behaving in a manner inappropriate for an academic by talking about 'flying saucers'.
“Philip Klass even tried to get him sacked from his university job because Jacobs was supposedly behaving in a manner inappropriate for an academician by even talking about 'flying saucers'.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:7285-7465 administrative first hand
87
Ross Coulthart considers Robert Jacobs' account, corroborated by his former commanding officer, suggestive of a coordinated effort inside the US government to suppress public awareness of UAP interactions with the military.
“Jacobs' corroborated account suggests strongly that there was a coordinated effort inside the US government to suppress public awareness of UAP interactions with the military.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:7528-7694 opinion first hand
88
The US government publicly dismissed UAP as no threat to national security while privately taking an extraordinary interest in the phenomenon and deploying substantial resources to investigate it.
“While publicly dismissing UAPs as no threat to national security and hastily rejecting as many sightings as possible with prosaic explanations, in private, the US government was taking an extraordinary interest in the phenomenon and deploying substantial resources to investigate it.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:94-374 opinion first hand
89
Ross Coulthart's efforts to obtain any extant film of the 1967 Central Australia RAAF photo-mapping UAP film from Defence archives proved fruitless.
“(My efforts to pry any extant film from Defence archives proved fruitless.)”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch10:9909-9972 administrative first hand
90
Air force investigators into the 1978 Kaikoura UAP sighting claimed to have interviewed all witnesses, yet never interviewed John Cordy.
“what surprised me most about Cordy's evidence was that air force investigators claimed to have interviewed all the witnesses, yet they never bothered to interview him.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch12:1413-1576 observation first hand
91
The data kept by John Callahan strongly supported the Japanese pilots' claims about the 1986 Japan Airlines Flight 1628 UAP sighting.
“The data strongly supported the Japanese pilots' claims.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch12:15404-15453 observation first hand
92
John Callahan's assertion that there was a cover-up regarding the 1986 Japan Airlines Flight 1628 UAP sighting has never been challenged by any official.
“Callahan's assertion that there was a cover-up has never been challenged by any official.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch12:15461-15541 administrative first hand
93
Ross Coulthart has spoken to many civilian and military pilots who said they would never report UAP sightings for fear of jeopardising their careers.
“this author has spoken to many civilian and military pilots who said they would never report UAP sightings for fear of jeopardising their careers.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch12:17722-17860 testimony first hand
94
Ross Coulthart followed the Kaikoura case as a young journalist for the New Zealand Herald newspaper in the early 1980s.
“I followed the Kaikoura case as a young journalist for the New Zealand Herald newspaper in the early 1980s”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch12:2692-2795 administrative first hand
95
Ross Coulthart interviewed retired Colonel Charles Halt in 2009 for a television documentary.
“I interviewed retired Colonel Halt in 2009 for a television documentary.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch12:8869-8929 administrative first hand
96
Ross Coulthart considers Christopher Mellon to have a moral conviction that makes him doubt Mellon would ever lie or dissemble to conceal a dark government secret.
“There is a moral conviction to Mellon that makes me doubt he would ever lie or dissemble to conceal some dark government secret”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch13:11420-11567 opinion first hand
97
Ross Coulthart suggests believers in the extra-terrestrial explanation for UAPs may have been too credulous in taking Ben Rich literally, since the United States might want its strategic rivals Russia and China to think it has an edge with such advanced technology, so Rich may have been spreading disinformation through a prominent aerospace journalist.
“Perhaps believers in the extra-terrestrial explanation for UAPs were far too credulous in taking the former Skunk Works boss literally. America would certainly like its strategic rivals, Russia and China, to think it now has an edge with such sci-fi-like technology, so perhaps Rich was using the opportunity to sprinkle disinformation through a prominent aerospace journalist.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch13:16180-16546 opinion first hand
98
Jim Goodall told Ross Coulthart he was in absolutely no doubt that there is a technology flying in the skies that is far beyond what has been acknowledged as within the capabilities of any country, including the United States, and he believes it might also be extra-terrestrial.
“Jim Goodall told me he was in absolutely no doubt that there is a technology flying in our skies that is far beyond what has been acknowledged anywhere as within the capabilities of any country, including the United States, and he believes it might also be extra-terrestrial.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch13:17322-17611 opinion first hand
99
Robert 'Bob' Fish has extensive experience working on classified programs, including President Ronald Reagan's 'Trust but Verify' nuclear missile disarmament treaty with the Soviets.
“A previously very highly security cleared defence communications intelligence insider, Fish has extensive experience working on classified programs, including President Reagan's 'Trust but Verify' nuclear missile disarmament treaty with the Soviets”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch13:29725-29966 administrative second hand
100
Ross Coulthart wrote to Charles Richard 'Dick' D'Amato but never received a reply.
“I wrote to the now elderly Richard D'Amato, but I never heard back.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch13:34583-34645 testimony first hand
101
The Belgian eyewitnesses to the 1989-1990 Belgian Wave sightings interviewed by Ross Coulthart were adamant that what they saw was a solid, intelligently guided craft.
“those eyewitnesses were adamant that what they saw was a solid, intelligently guided craft.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch13:845-930 testimony second hand
102
John Audette, co-founder of Edgar Mitchell's Quantrek research organisation, told Ross Coulthart, 'Yes, Ed shared with me details about the Admiral Wilson meeting.'
“One of these friends was John Audette, the co-founder of Mitchell's Quantrek research organisation, who responded in detail to my inquiry about this meeting. 'Yes, Ed shared with me details about the Admiral Wilson meeting,' Audette tells me.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:14671-14910 testimony second hand
103
Ross Coulthart considers that faking such a trove of Majestic-12 documents citing real names, titles, offices and events, given their level of detail, would have been a formidably complex forensic achievement.
“Given the detail in them, pulling off such a hoax was a forensic achievement in itself because faking such a trove of documents citing real names, titles, offices and events was a formidably complex task.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:15982-16181 opinion first hand
104
Ross Coulthart considers that a journalist with any curiosity, like himself, would not survive five minutes serving in the military, given that Admiral Wilson's staff meekly decided they did not have the need to know possibly the biggest secret in human history.
“This is why a nosey journalist like me would not survive five minutes serving in the military; fancy anyone with the remotest strand of curiosity in their DNA meekly deciding they do not have the need to know possibly the biggest secret in human history.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:16536-16782 opinion first hand
105
Ross Coulthart considers that something about Steven Greer's accounts of his numerous briefings of military and government officials does not ring as wholly plausible, and in some cases seems outright implausible.
“There is something about Steven Greer's accounts of his numerous 'briefings' of military and government officials that does not ring as wholly plausible, and in some cases it seems outright implausible.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:17998-18188 opinion first hand
106
Ross Coulthart suspects it is the way Steven Greer casts himself as always so much better informed than every official with whom he engages.
“I suspect it is the way he casts himself as always so much better informed than every official with whom he engages (which I concede might possibly be true, if you believe the cover-up claims).”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:18201-18386 opinion first hand
107
Ross Coulthart considers it remarkable that Steven Greer achieved being invited to brief top Defense Intelligence Agency officials on UAPs on at least two occasions, but considers that the claim both a senior admiral and a general confirmed belief in a UFO cover-up at their first meeting strains credibility for many who hear it.
“It is remarkable that Greer achieved the extraordinary feat of being invited to brief top Defence Intelligence Agency officials on UAPs on at least two occasions, but the claim that both a senior admiral and a general confirmed at their first meeting with him that they both believed in a 'UFO cover-up' strains credibility for many who hear it.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:18973-19315 opinion first hand
108
Ross Coulthart considers that, if Steven Greer's account is accurate, his public outing of both Admiral Thomas Wilson and General Patrick Hughes sent an unhelpful message to any other official contemplating disclosure that they could not expect confidentiality from Greer.
“But, if his account is accurate, his public outing of both Defence Intelligence Agency officials, Admiral Wilson and General Hughes, sent an unhelpful message to any other official contemplating disclosure that they could not expect confidentiality from Greer.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:19319-19573 opinion first hand
109
Admiral Tom Wilson confirmed the 1997 Pentagon meeting with Steven Greer and Edgar Mitchell in an interview with Richard Dolan more than a decade after the meeting.
“The admiral confirmed the 1997 Pentagon meeting with Greer and Mitchell in an interview with Richard Dolan more than a decade later”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:20976-21102 testimony second hand
110
Ross Coulthart suspects the two Defense Intelligence Agency officials involved in the 1997 Pentagon meeting were more interested in UAPs than they publicly admit.
“I suspect, in actual fact, the two Defence Intelligence Agency officials were more interested than they care to publicly admit.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:23376-23497 opinion first hand
111
Ross Coulthart considers it difficult, given the number of witnesses to the 1997 Pentagon meeting, to escape the conclusion that Admiral Tom Wilson gave the impression to Steven Greer's group that he was improperly blocked from accessing UFO information.
“it is difficult to escape the conclusion that Admiral Wilson gave the impression in some way to Greer’s group that he was improperly blocked from accessing UFO information”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:23600-23760 opinion first hand
112
Ross Coulthart believes the historical evidence supports the suggestion that there have been numerous US government attempts to suppress and, on occasion, cover up UAP incidents, especially when the witnesses were military or civilian pilots.
“In my view, the historical evidence supports the suggestion there have indeed been numerous US government attempts to suppress – and on occasion, to cover up – UAP incidents, especially when the witnesses were military or civilian pilots.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:24910-25141 opinion first hand
113
Ross Coulthart considers the explanations offered by the US military for the 1997 Phoenix Lights sighting to be risible in light of the evidence from a large number of witnesses.
“The explanations offered by the US military for the Phoenix sighting are risible in light of the clear evidence from an enormous number of witnesses; flares and a mass delusion do not cut it as an explanation.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:25399-25596 opinion first hand
114
Ross Coulthart is convinced that someone senior in the US military has been trying to cover up UAP sightings.
“I am left in no doubt that someone senior in the US military has been trying to cover up sightings”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:25609-25698 opinion first hand
115
Ross Coulthart is inclined to believe that governments cover up UAP sightings because they do not like admitting there is a superior technology operating in their airspace with capabilities far beyond known human science, which he finds embarrassing to them.
“maybe governments simply do not like having to admit there is a superior technology operating in their airspace displaying capabilities far beyond known human science. It is embarrassing.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:25959-26133 opinion first hand
116
Ross Coulthart considers it likely that James Woolsey would feel obliged to deny the 1993 dinner gathering with Steven Greer was a briefing if he was embarrassed about having been exposed for conversing with Greer about a supposed UAP government cover-up.
“which a former CIA Director probably would feel obliged to do if he was embarrassed about having been exposed for conversing with Greer about a supposed UAP government cover-up.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:3705-3879 opinion first hand
117
John Petersen told Ross Coulthart that James Woolsey, a friend of his, had a passing interest in the subject of UFOs, limited to having seen a non-moving light above a lake at some point and wondering if it had been some sort of non-human vehicle.
“Petersen told me that Jim Woolsey, a friend, 'had a passing interest in the subject of UFOs – limited to having seen a non-moving light above a lake at some point and wondering if it had been some sort of non-human vehicle'.7”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:4572-4796 testimony second hand
118
There is no evidence to support Steven Greer's claim of an electro-magnetic weapons system targeting him and Shari Adamiak.
“There is no evidence for such a claim.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:6895-6927 opinion first hand
119
There is no evidence to support Steven Greer's claim that William Colby was assassinated.
“Nor is there any evidence to support another claim made by Greer, that former CIA Director William Colby (who died in a boating accident) was actually assassinated because he planned to help Greer's organisation.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:6934-7133 opinion first hand
120
Ross Coulthart considers it possible that, assuming Steven Greer's account of his meeting with James Woolsey was correct, the CIA Director was genuinely motivated to hear and investigate Greer's claims of a UAP cover-up.
“Assuming that Greer's account of his meeting with Woolsey was correct, it suggests the CIA Director was genuinely motivated to hear and investigate Greer's claims of a UAP cover-up, which begs the question why Greer publicly exposed his potential source.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:7500-7747 opinion first hand
121
Ross Coulthart considers Steven Greer's public outing of James Woolsey for allegedly soliciting a UFO briefing to have damaged the chances of persuading public officials to speak out on the UAP issue.
“His aggressive public outing of Woolsey for soliciting such a briefing (if that was true) damaged chances of persuading public officials to speak out on the issue.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch14:7755-7912 opinion first hand
122
Mick Cook told Ross Coulthart in March 2021 that the cattle mutilations at his farm were frequent and still happening.
“When I followed up with Mick Cook in March 2021, he told me the mutilations were frequent and still happening.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch15:4145-4245 testimony first hand
123
The 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter of 2004-11-14 is probably the most well-verified unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) event in history.
“The morning of 14 November 2004 marks probably the most well-verified UAP event in history”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:103-186 opinion first hand
124
The Tic Tac craft's presence at the cap point during the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter suggested it knew a lot more about the US Navy than the navy knew about it.
“No one knows how the UAP knew where the cap point was, but it suggests the UAP knew a lot more about the US Navy than the navy knew about it.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:14012-14150 opinion first hand
125
For decades, military pilots rarely spoke publicly about UAP sightings such as the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter.
“He knew that, for decades, military pilots rarely spoke about sightings like this.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:14442-14519 opinion first hand
126
The 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter was captured on multiple independent sensor systems, including video, which clinched the evidence for the sighting.
“What clinched the evidence for the 2004 Tic Tac UAP sighting was that it was captured on multiple independent sensor systems, including video.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:16514-16650 opinion first hand
127
The manoeuvres filmed by Chad Underwood implied that someone, somewhere, had achieved a technological breakthrough demonstrating such manoeuvres were actually possible.
“The awesome implication from what Underwood conclusively filmed was that someone, somewhere, had indeed achieved a technological breakthrough that showed such manoeuvres were actually possible.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:19035-19219 opinion first hand
128
Aside from a weather balloon, only a handful of terrestrial aviation vehicles in history can fly above approximately 24,000 metres, and none fit the cluster of objects seen by the USS Princeton's sensors during the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter.
“Aside from a weather balloon, only a handful of terrestrial aviation vehicles in history can fly that high; none fit the cluster of objects that the Princeton's sensors saw.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:2365-2536 opinion first hand
129
The 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter had a profound effect on Kevin Day, rocking his world view.
“It is quite clear this whole event has had a profound effect on Kevin Day, that what he saw that day has rocked his world view.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:4752-4874 opinion first hand
130
Nearly two decades after the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter, there is still nothing known to be capable of flying anywhere near the estimated speeds of the objects tracked that day.
“Nearly two decades later, there is still nothing known to be capable of flying anywhere near that fast anywhere on Earth.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:5503-5618 opinion first hand
131
The g-forces caused by the acceleration Kevin Day observed on his radar screen during the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter would make human survival impossible.
“Moreover, the g-forces caused by the acceleration that Day saw on his screen make human survival impossible.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:5626-5723 opinion first hand
132
An estimated 12,250 g-force acceleration, as pulled by the objects during the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter to move from approximately 24,000 metres altitude to hovering just above the ocean, would reduce any human body to a bloody soup.
“The estimated 12,250-G pulled by these UAPs to zoom from 80,000 feet to hovering just above the ocean would reduce any human body to a bloody soup.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:5888-6030 opinion first hand
133
All four witnesses in the two FA-18F Super Hornets later told much the same story of the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter, which has become one of the most compelling UAP encounters in history.
“All four witnesses later told much the same story of what has become one of the most compelling UAP encounters in history.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:7971-8085 opinion first hand
134
The underwater object detected during the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP encounter was not a craft officially acknowledged as within any country's known technological capabilities.
“Whatever this strange underwater object was, it was most definitely not a craft officially acknowledged as within any country's known technological capabilities.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch16:9399-9547 opinion first hand
135
Ross Coulthart spent several days with Scott Ramsey and Suzanne Ramsey in May 2021 walking the Aztec, New Mexico site and reviewing their evidence, including direct witness sightings of a craft and purported alien beings.
“I spent several days with the Ramseys in May 2021, walking the Aztec site, and reviewing their extremely detailed evidence, including direct witness sightings of a craft (and purported alien beings).”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:14748-14939 observation first hand
136
Ross Coulthart is most sure that in 1950 there was a determined effort by the FBI and the US Air Force to smear businessman and scientist Silas Newton, who was pushing the story of a recovered craft at Aztec, New Mexico.
“What I come away most sure about is that in 1950 there was a determined effort by the FBI and the air force to smear businessman and scientist Silas Newton, who was pushing the story of a recovered craft at Aztec.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:14948-15155 opinion first hand
137
Ross Coulthart questions why there was such a determined official hatchet job on Silas Newton if the whole Aztec story was a fiction as has long been suggested.
“Why was there such a determined official hatchet job on Newton if the whole Aztec story was a fiction as has long been suggested?”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:15162-15281 opinion first hand
138
Ross Coulthart suspects Harry Reid was being deliberately vague and knew a lot more from the classified intelligence world to prompt his interest in UAP than just the one Defense Intelligence Agency scientist's letter.
“I suspect Harry Reid was being deliberately vague and that he knew a lot more from the classified intelligence world to prompt his interest in the phenomenon than just that one DIA scientist's letter.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:3175-3395 opinion first hand
139
Ross Coulthart suspects Harry Reid was holding his cards tight and already in 2008 knew much more than he was prepared to publicly reveal to justify his push for UAP to be investigated.
“I suspect the Nevada Senator was holding his cards tight and that, in 2008, he knew much more than he was prepared to publicly reveal to justify his push for the UAPs to be investigated.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:645-818 opinion first hand
140
Ross Coulthart suggests the Tic Tac UAP encountered by the USS Nimitz in 2004, which comprehensively outperformed the best fighter attack jets in the US Air Force, was clearly a potential threat worthy of intense investigation.
“Nor was any explanation given for why these strange UAPs might be seen as a 'threat' but perhaps one explanation was that the Tic Tac, which so comprehensively outperformed the best fighter attack jets in the US Air Force, was clearly a potential threat worthy of intense investigation.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch17:9672-9944 opinion first hand
141
Tom DeLonge secured access far beyond anyone else studying the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon, speaking secretly with very senior United States generals, spies and aerospace executives, whom he claims briefed him on an American seven-decade history of contact with alien intelligences.
“What we can be very sure of is that Tom DeLonge secured astounding access, far more than anyone else studying the phenomenon, speaking secretly with very senior US generals, spies and aerospace executives, whom he claims briefed him on an American seven-decade history of contact with alien intelligences.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch18:11183-11501 opinion first hand
142
Ross Coulthart speculates that the unnamed person Tom DeLonge described as being awoken with mind-control-related symptoms was probably disclosure activist Steven Greer, and that the person who told DeLonge about being secretly gathering Congressional testimony was probably also Steven Greer.
“(One of these people was probably disclosure activist Steven Greer.)... (I speculate it was probably Greer telling him this)”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch18:12770-12881 opinion first hand
143
Ross Coulthart considers it a fair bet that the executive Tom DeLonge met at the families' event was Rob Weiss, the Lockheed executive vice-president and general manager of Skunk Works until 2019.
“It is also a fair bet that the executive whom DeLonge subsequently met at the families event was Rob Weiss, the Lockheed executive vice-president and GM of Skunk Works until 2019.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch18:16530-16704 opinion first hand
144
Ross Coulthart considers that Tom DeLonge likely hid his real intentions about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in his pitch to Skunk Works in order to gain access, calling it a classic media ruse.
“When I read DeLonge's account of this meeting, I took a cynical view that what he must have done was hide his real intentions about UAPs in his pitch to Skunk Works to get in the door, a classic naughty media ruse if one is being honest.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch18:17478-17735 opinion first hand
145
Ross Coulthart believes there is strong evidence that certain former and serving senior officials of the US government and military met with and briefed Tom DeLonge.
“I believe there is strong evidence that certain former and serving senior officials of the US government and military definitely met with and briefed Tom DeLonge.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:1184-1365 opinion first hand
146
Tom DeLonge's claim about the US government having cracked gravity and anti-gravity technology contradicts his earlier claim that his advisers admitted they had no idea how to back-engineer the alien technology.
“(Here is where he or his advisers contradicted themselves; remember DeLonge said earlier that his mentors admitted they still had no idea how to back-engineer this alien technology?)”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:14960-15129 opinion first hand
147
Ross Coulthart is in no doubt that briefings of Tom DeLonge by former and serving military officials happened, whether or not the content of what he was told was true.
“I am in no doubt whatsoever that, whether true or not, these briefings happened.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:1715-1786 opinion first hand
148
Ross Coulthart considers it more plausible that, if a genuine secret exists, the officials keeping it are primarily worried about being held accountable before Congress and having to explain billions of dollars spent on black budget programmes reverse-engineering purported alien technology, rather than motivated by protecting the public from fear.
“Call me cynical, but I find it a more plausible explanation that if this is true (and that is one hell of an if), what the reticent gatekeepers of The Big Secret (if there is one) are truly most worried about is being hauled before Congress in chains and asked to explain why this incredible secret was withheld from public knowledge, and why billions of dollars are being spent on black budget programs re-engineering purported alien technology that is also being hidden from the taxpayers who are copping the bill.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:21823-22336 opinion first hand
149
Ross Coulthart considers there was a lot of bravado alpha-male talk in DeLonge's account from these anonymous men in uniform and the spook world that is downright disturbing, suggesting an egregious disregard for democratic accountability and government oversight.
“From DeLonge’s account, there was a lot of this bravado alpha male talk from these anonymous men in uniform and the spook world that is downright disturbing; it suggests an egregious disregard for democratic accountability and government oversight.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:2685-2923 opinion first hand
150
Ross Coulthart considers that Tom DeLonge's account suggests a glint of fanaticism in The General's embrace of secrecy, indicating he and his colleagues are zealots desperate to conceal potential crimes against the Republic.
“but on reflection DeLonge’s account suggests there is a glint of fanaticism in The General’s embrace of secrecy that suggests he and his colleagues are zealots who are desperate to conceal what are potentially crimes on the Republic.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:3508-3732 opinion first hand
151
Tom DeLonge thinks the public should just trust the anonymous officials who briefed him about the alleged UAP secrets.
“DeLonge, however, thinks we should just trust them.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:3994-4040 opinion first hand
152
Ross Coulthart considers it concerning if someone in the military actually believes the delusions of grandeur implied by claiming civilians cannot comprehend levels of power at stake.
“These comments are actually frightening if someone in the military actually believes such delusions of grandeur.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch19:5937-6040 opinion first hand
153
Edgar Mitchell's archive included a November 1996 letter from an unnamed US Defense Department scientist in the Weapons Sciences Directorate referring to a 'metal artefact' believed by Ross Coulthart to be the purported extra-terrestrial samples known as 'Art's Parts'.
“One of the first files I pulled out of Mitchell's archive was a November 1996 letter from a US Defence Department scientist (his name redacted) in the Weapons Sciences Directorate, referring to a 'metal artefact', which I speculated was from the mythical 'Art's Parts' purported extra-terrestrial samples.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:12930-13227 opinion second hand
154
The November 1996 letter about the metal artefact appeared to be written to a Los Angeles-based Hollywood TV show producer, possibly one collaborating with Linda Moulton Howe or Art Bell, reporting the results of scientific tests.
“It appeared to be written to a Los Angeles–based Hollywood TV show producer, perhaps one collaborating with Linda Moulton Howe or Art Bell, reporting on the results of scientific tests.”
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As far as publicly known from official accounts of the Art's Parts metamaterials investigations, nothing anomalous has ever been officially acknowledged to have happened with the samples.
“As far as we know to date, from the official accounts of the investigations into the so-called Art's Parts metamaterials, nothing anomalous was acknowledged to have ever happened.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:14096-14266 opinion first hand
156
Ross Coulthart could not resolve the provenance of the November 1996 letter about the metal artefact because so much of it was redacted.
“I could not resolve the provenance of the document because so much of it was redacted.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:14276-14353 opinion first hand
157
Ross Coulthart suspects the scientist's 1996 letter had been forwarded to Edgar Mitchell by Linda Moulton Howe or Art Bell to keep Mitchell briefed, with identifying information about the scientist deleted.
“I suspect the scientist's letter had been forwarded to Edgar Mitchell by Linda Howe or Art Bell to keep Mitchell briefed, but they had protected the name of the scientist by deleting a lot of the identifying information in the document.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:14363-14590 opinion first hand
158
Edgar Mitchell's archive files reinforced that he was a trusted confidant for many in the UFO community researching purported metamaterials and UFO crashes, and that he was let into ongoing investigations of famous ufology events.
“What it and other files reinforced for sure was that Ed Mitchell was a trusted confidant for many in the UFO community who were researching purported metamaterials and UFO crashes. There were numerous communications referring to famous events in ufology where the astronaut was let into ongoing investigations.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:14600-14895 opinion first hand
159
Ross Coulthart states there is no explanation for how Eric Davis reached his conclusion, and that no known science describes the capacity to manipulate human consciousness to induce hallucinations as described.
“There is no explanation for how Dr Davis reached this conclusion. No known science describes the capacity to manipulate human consciousness to induce hallucinations as described. Modern science would say it was science fiction.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:16804-17023 opinion first hand
160
The individual behind The Mind Sublime website found PowerPoint slides prepared for a briefing of senior officials at the US Department of Defense while trawling former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Christopher Mellon's personal website in early August 2018.
“The individual behind that site told me he found the intriguing PowerPoint slides in early August 2018 while he was trawling through former US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence Christopher Mellon's personal website.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:17228-17439 testimony second hand
161
Ross Coulthart speculates the Pentagon UAP briefing slides may have prompted Senator Harry Reid to ask the Department of Defense for Special Access Program protection for the UAP investigation.
“Perhaps it was these slides that prompted Senator Harry Reid to ask the Department of Defence for Special Access Program protection for the investigation – because what the slides said was momentous.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch25:17854-18043 opinion first hand
162
An unidentified contractor program manager reportedly said he did not know where the recovered technology was from but had some ideas, and that it was technology not of this Earth, not made by man, not by human hands.
“program manager said they didn’t know where it was from [they had some ideas on this] – it was technology that *was not of this Earth – not made by man – not by human hands*.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:20151-20318 hearsay third hand
163
The unidentified contractor program manager reportedly said the program was trying to understand and exploit the recovered technology and had been ongoing for years with very slow progress.
“Said were trying to understand and exploit technology; their program was going on for years and years with very slow progress,’ Wilson reportedly revealed to Davis.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:20326-20484 hearsay third hand
164
Ross Coulthart consulted three defence intelligence sources about the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes), and the issue that raised the most doubt among people familiar with US government security compartmentalisation was why the contractor program manager would tell Tom Wilson anything at all if he was not on the Bigot list.
“when I consulted three defence intelligence sources about it, this was the issue that raised the most doubt with people who knew how the United States government security compartmentalisation works. Why did they tell him anything at all if he was not on the Bigot list, I was told.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:21569-21872 opinion second hand
165
Tom Wilson stated in his letter to Ross Coulthart that he never requested nor was denied access to supposed UAP programs, and that he was never threatened with losing his career if he persisted.
“Admiral Wilson, it should be emphasised, was very clear in his letter to me that he never requested nor was he denied such access to supposed UAP programs and neither was he threatened he would lose his career if he persisted.”
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166
Numerous key officials are named in the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes), suggesting whoever wrote it had a complex understanding of who the Defense executives were at the time.
“Numerous key officials are named in the Admiral Wilson memo, which suggests whoever wrote it had a complex understanding of who the Defence executives were at the time.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:23736-23899 opinion first hand
167
None of the officials contacted by Ross Coulthart support the claims made in the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes).
“However, none of those contacted support the memorandum’s claims.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:23905-23963 observation first hand
168
No one who should know about the purported meeting between Tom Wilson and Eric Davis was prepared to confirm the authenticity of the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes) on the record.
“We are left with the fact that, if the ‘EWD Notes’ memo is genuine, not one person who should know about the purported Admiral Wilson meeting is actually prepared to confirm its authenticity on the record.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:23971-24169 observation first hand
169
Tom Wilson, his former Defence Department colleagues, and Willard Miller all cast doubt on the authenticity of the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes).
“And the comments of Tom Wilson, his former Defence Department colleagues, and Commander Willard Miller pour cold water on its authenticity.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:24177-24303 observation first hand
170
Ross Coulthart considers it impossible to resolve definitively whether the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes) is authentic, and believes it should not be relied upon to support any allegation.
“It makes it impossible to resolve definitively whether the document is authentic. It should not be relied upon to support any allegation.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:24317-24443 opinion first hand
171
Ross Coulthart finds it hard to believe that such a preposterous secret could be kept inside the leak-prone and gossipy bureaucracy of Washington, but considers that if the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes) is a hoax, it is an extremely clever one.
“It also strains my cynical journalist’s brain to contemplate the possibility that such a preposterous secret could have been kept inside the notoriously leak-prone and gossipy bureaucracy frequenting the Potomac Washington swamp. But then, if it is a hoax, it is an extremely clever one.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:24455-24738 opinion first hand
172
A ufology researcher known by the pseudonym Cranium is a friend of Ross Coulthart and is absolutely convinced of a sinister cover-up conspiracy regarding the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes).
“On one side of the debate, there is a brilliant ufology researcher friend of mine I dub ‘Cranium’, who is absolutely convinced of a sinister cover-up conspiracy.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:24744-24894 opinion first hand
173
Ross Coulthart considers that without a senior Department of Defense official, Eric Davis, Tom Wilson, or Hal Puthoff going on the record admitting to the veracity of the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes), its claims must be treated with extreme scepticism and as a hoax document until proved otherwise.
“But without a senior Department of Defence official, Eric Davis, Admiral Wilson or Hal Puthoff, going on the record admitting to the veracity of the memorandum, its claims must be treated with extreme scepticism. It has to be treated as a hoax document until proved otherwise.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:25149-25415 opinion first hand
174
Ross Coulthart considers that even if the Admiral Wilson Memo (EWD Notes) is authentic and accurately records what Eric Davis wrote, it proves nothing beyond being Eric Davis's own claims.
“But, even if Cranium is right and assuming the ‘EWD Notes’ document, the ‘Admiral Wilson Memo’, is authentic, does accurately record what Eric Davis wrote, what I come back to is that it proves nothing. It is still only Dr Davis’s claims.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:26523-26754 opinion first hand
175
Ross Coulthart wrote many letters to home addresses of senior military officers, spies, and scientists who he guessed might know something about the alleged secret reverse-engineering program known as The Program, believing letters would not leave an electronic trail like emails and phone calls.
“So I start writing letters. Many, many letters. I find the home addresses of senior military officers, spies, scientists, anyone who after months of research I guess might know something about ‘The Program’, if it actually exists. And I lick a lot of stamps. My thinking is that letters do not leave an electronic trail like emails and phone calls.”
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176
Tom Wilson has told Ross Coulthart that the meeting described in the Admiral Wilson memo never happened and that the memo is a lie.
“You need to bear in mind, however, that Admiral Tom Wilson has told me this meeting never happened, that the memo is a lie.”
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177
Nat Kobitz called Ross Coulthart from his home in Baltimore, USA, when he was 92 years old, over a quarter of a century after the alleged Pentagon meeting.
“a kindly and clearly still sharp, albeit infirm, 92-year-old Nat Kobitz called me out of the blue from his home in Baltimore.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:10436-10551 observation first hand
178
Nat Kobitz was fighting a terminal illness when he spoke with Ross Coulthart.
“Tragically, Kobitz was fighting a terminal illness and, when his daughter Celia was out of earshot, he whispered that he knew he didn't have long.”
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Nat Kobitz's daughter is named Celia Kobitz.
“when his daughter Celia was out of earshot, he whispered that he knew he didn't have long.”
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180
After Ross Coulthart sent Nat Kobitz a detailed graphic of the purported alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) Fluxliner drawn by Mark McCandlish, Kobitz said he recognised it and concluded it was a hoax.
“Two days later, after I have sent him a detailed graphic of the purported ARV Fluxliner drawn by Mark McCandlish, he told me, 'Okay, I've seen that before. . . . And my conclusion is that it's a hoax. I'm sorry,' he told me.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:13215-13436 opinion first hand
181
Nat Kobitz confirmed to Ross Coulthart that he had been read into programs involving crashed UFOs or UAP and had never been read out of that clearance, but said he could not speak about it.
“'Nat, were you ever read into any programs involving crashed UFOs or UAPs?' I pressed, repeating the question so he knew for sure what I was asking. There was a deep pause and then he said, 'Yes, I was. I was never read out of it. So, I really don't think it would help but I really can't speak about it.'”
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182
When asked by Ross Coulthart whether he was aware of any recovered alien spacecraft inside the United States government, Nat Kobitz said he only had hearsay information and was being careful not to speculate about things he did not know directly.
“I asked, 'Nat, are you aware of any recovered alien spacecraft inside the US government?' He responded cryptically, 'I only have hearsay information. I tried to be very careful not to fall into the category that a fellow did once when I was much younger. He was in his 90s and he said, "Kobitz, let me tell you, some of my greatest adventures never really happened".'”
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Dr Eric Davis had claimed to Ross Coulthart that the United States had so far failed to reverse-engineer the alien craft it had recovered.
“I recalled what Dr Eric Davis had claimed – that the US had so far failed to re-engineer the craft it has recovered”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:15619-15725 hearsay second hand
184
Nat Kobitz confirmed to Ross Coulthart that the United States has been trying to develop recovered alien technology.
“'Are you able to confirm to me that the US has been trying to develop recovered alien technology?' Kobitz gave the question careful consideration. 'Yes, I can say that's so.'”
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185
Nat Kobitz made clear across several long conversations over three weeks that he would never breach the terms of his national security oath and reveal the full details of what he knew.
“In several long conversations over three weeks, Kobitz made it clear he would never breach the terms of his national security oath and reveal the full details of what he knew.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:15931-16101 observation first hand
186
Barry Goldwater knew several people with direct knowledge of what actually happened at Roswell.
“Goldwater knew several people with direct knowledge of what actually happened at Roswell.”
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187
Nat Kobitz was shown a strange piece of metal at USA, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
“Nat Kobitz’s admission that he was shown a strange metal at Wright-Patterson tweaked my interest.”
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188
Ross Coulthart tracked down a former CIA contemporary of Gordon Novel who had previously helped him with a story about the Nugan Hand Bank.
“I tracked down one of Gordon Novel's now elderly former-CIA contemporaries, who had helped me with another story about a dodgy CIA-front bank, the Nugan Hand Bank”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:2045-2203 administrative first hand
189
Shortly before his death, Nat Kobitz's daughter contacted Ross Coulthart to say Nat Kobitz had taken a turn for the worse.
“Shortly after our last conversation, his daughter contacted me to say he had taken a turn for the worse.”
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190
Nat Kobitz was, in Ross Coulthart's assessment, a warm, generous and hugely intelligent patriot who was fiercely proud of the work he did for the United States Navy.
“Nat Kobitz was a warm, generous and hugely intelligent patriot, who was fiercely proud of the work he did for the US Navy.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:22400-22517 opinion first hand
191
An anonymous source given the pseudonym 'Sidewinder' by Ross Coulthart was a former scientist at the United States Naval Weapons Center China Lake, in USA, California, and was introduced to Coulthart by Nat Kobitz.
“One of those he put me on to was a former boffin for the US Naval Weapons Centre in California at the massive China Lake base. Now retired, that person wants to stay anonymous – let’s call him Sidewinder.”
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An anonymous source claiming to work in the defence intelligence world, relayed by an anonymous former United States Naval Weapons Center China Lake scientist known as Sidewinder, said he was invited to meet Sidewinder and a group of other defence insiders at a suburban roadhouse on a Sunday morning to discuss being invited into the US government's secret Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) program.
“Sidewinder told me a fascinating story about a person he came to know in the defence intelligence world who had agreed to meet Sidewinder and a group of other defence insiders at a suburban roadhouse one Sunday morning, to tell them what he knew about being invited into the US government’s secret UAP program.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:22889-23191 hearsay second hand
193
An anonymous source claiming to work in the defence intelligence world, relayed by an anonymous former United States Naval Weapons Center China Lake scientist known as Sidewinder, said he was invited to the campus of a large aerospace firm in Long Beach, USA, California, taken for a walk in its gardens, and offered a deep-undercover job in which he would nominally be an employee of the firm while actually working with a separate group that had access to alleged UAP wreckage and humanoid remains.
“Sidewinder’s defence intelligence friend described how he was invited to the campus of one of the many large aerospace firms located in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California... you’ll have access to the wreckage and the humanoids.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:23218-23440 hearsay second hand
194
Ross Coulthart spoke over several weeks with other anonymous insiders who all assert that the United States military, almost certainly the United States Air Force, is in possession of retrieved non-terrestrial alien technology.
“I talk over the following weeks with other anonymous insiders. To protect their identities, I cannot reveal much of the astonishing detail of what they told me but I am left in no doubt that they all assert that the US military, almost certainly the US Air Force, is in possession of retrieved non-terrestrial – alien – technology.”
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195
Anonymous insiders told Ross Coulthart claims matching those made in the Admiral Wilson Memo, that a private aerospace company exercises control over recovered alien technology.
“Intriguingly, what I am told matches the claims made in the Admiral Wilson memo, that a private aerospace company now exercises control over this alien technology.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:24866-25018 hearsay second hand
196
Ross Coulthart was told that the alleged secret alien technology project was hidden inside the United States Department of Energy for decades until it became a federal agency in 1977, making it subject to Congressional oversight.
“I was also told that the project was hidden inside the US Department of Energy for decades until it became a Federal agency in 1977, making it subject to Congressional oversight.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:25031-25199 hearsay second hand
197
Ross Coulthart considers it possible that inter-service rivalry, with the United States Navy frustrated at being excluded from a secret alien technology program controlled by the United States Air Force, is helping to expose the alleged secret.
“Perhaps what is most effectively flushing out this incredible secret is good old-fashioned inter-service rivalry; that the navy is seriously pissed it is out of the loop.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:25442-25607 opinion first hand
198
Ross Coulthart considers it likely that debunkers would correctly point out that his quoted sources, including Nat Kobitz and Sidewinder, never personally saw hard evidence of extra-terrestrial technology held by the US government.
“I am sure the debunkers will say that my quoted sources never saw any hard evidence of extra-terrestrial technology held by the US government, and they are absolutely right.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:25882-26049 opinion first hand
199
Gordon Novel was a covert operator with strong Central Intelligence Agency intelligence connections who repeatedly appeared in the background of dramatic news events over decades, including the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Michael Jackson, and the aftermath of the Waco siege.
“Novel was indubitably a covert operator with strong CIA intelligence connections who, for decades, kept on bobbing up in the background of dramatic news events, including the JFK assassination, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Michael Jackson and the aftermath of the Waco siege.”
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200
Ross Coulthart identified 'Richard Cash' in Gordon Novel's book as Charles Richard 'Dick' D'Amato, former minority counsel for the United States Senate Appropriations Committee.
“'Richard Cash' could only be Charles Richard 'Dick' D'Amato, former minority counsel for the Senate Appropriations Committee.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:5258-5399 opinion first hand
201
Ross Coulthart already knew Charles Richard 'Dick' D'Amato was not willing to talk about his UFO investigation.
“I knew already he was not talking.”
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202
Nat Kobitz was the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the United States Navy.
“Nat Kobitz, the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the US Navy, rang me one day out of the blue.”
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Nat Kobitz phoned Ross Coulthart unprompted in early 2020 after receiving a letter from him.
“Nat Kobitz, the former Director of Science and Technology Development for the US Navy, rang me one day out of the blue. He liked my letter.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:628-760 observation first hand
204
Ross Coulthart found Gordon Novel's son Sur Novel living in Bangkok, Thailand.
“I eventually found Gordon Novel's son Sur, now living in Bangkok.”
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205
Ross Coulthart has a sceptical hunch that Gordon Novel embellished what Nat Kobitz said at the Pentagon meeting in order to lure readers of his book into funding his anti-gravity propulsion project.
“I have a sceptical hunch that Gordon Novel embellished what Kobitz said at this meeting to lure readers of his book into funding his 'anti-gravity propulsion' project.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch27:9019-9178 opinion first hand
206
An anonymous retired senior United States Navy officer, in conversation with Ross Coulthart, said that if secret US technology explained the navy pilot sightings, it would not have been overtly test-flown in a way that led to its existence being publicly compromised, arguing that keeping technology classified means keeping it out of the public eye.
“'Why in hell would you test fly your most secret new technology in such an overt way that inevitably led to its existence being publicly compromised by the navy?' I was told by one retired very senior US Navy officer. 'To keep it in the black, you stay in the dark. That's why we have China Lake and Area 51.'”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:10114-10418 hearsay second hand
207
Ross Coulthart considers it likely that Salvatore Pais's Compact Fusion Reactor is the potential power source for his proposed triangular hybrid spacecraft.
“The obvious conclusion to be drawn is that this may be the potential power source for Dr Pais's proposed triangular hybrid spacecraft.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:17213-17336 opinion first hand
208
Ross Coulthart considers it likely that the United States Navy's failure to apply for secrecy orders on Salvatore Pais's patents under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, despite being able to do so, suggests the applications were intended to send a message to China and Russia rather than to protect genuine operational technology.
“The fact that the navy did not apply for the patents to be kept secret under the US *Invention Secrecy Act*, as it could easily have done, suggests these applications are more about just sending a message to the United States' potential rivals, China and Russia.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:17539-17794 opinion first hand
209
Salvatore Pais's patent application for a gravity-wave-driven spacecraft had no known basis in proven scientific technological breakthroughs and had not been subjected to independent peer review.
“As far as we know, nothing that Dr Pais said in his patent application had any basis in known and proven scientific technological breakthroughs and neither had it been subjected to independent peer review and scrutiny.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:1765-1974 opinion first hand
210
Salvatore Pais's spacecraft patent was granted largely because the United States Navy vouched for his discovery.
“Oddly, he still got his patent, largely because the navy vouched for his discovery.”
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211
The plans for Salvatore Pais's proposed craft resemble a triangular-shaped unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP).
“Intriguingly, the plans for his proposed craft resemble a triangular-shaped UAP.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:2068-2144 opinion first hand
212
Nat Kobitz made inquiries with colleagues in the United States Navy about Salvatore Pais's patents on Ross Coulthart's behalf, and none of them had any information on Salvatore Pais or on working prototypes of his patents.
“I asked former US Navy R&D boss Nat Kobitz if he knew anything about Pais's patents and he made a few discrete inquiries. The answer came back that nobody Kobitz or his colleagues knew in the US Navy had any information on either Dr Pais or whether there were any working prototypes of any of his patents.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:22126-22423 testimony third hand
213
United States anti-gravity research went dark, becoming classified and secret, in the 1960s but never actually stopped.
“the only thing I find I know for certain is that while US anti-gravity research went dark in the 1960s, it never actually stopped”
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Ross Coulthart is sceptical that the United States has cracked anti-gravity but is confident that an intensive secret effort into anti-gravity is still underway.
“There is good reason to be sceptical that the US has cracked anti-gravity, but I am very sure that an intensive secret effort is clearly still underway.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:23053-23196 opinion first hand
215
In an interview on Project Unity, both Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean indicated they believe there is substance to allegations that the US government has recovered alien spacecraft or fragments of alien spacecraft.
“It is very clear, from comments made by Blumenthal and his New York Times' colleague Leslie Kean in an interview with Project Unity that both journalists believe there is substance to the allegations that the US government has recovered alien spacecraft or bits thereof”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:24642-24910 opinion third hand
216
Ross Coulthart believes the US government is hiding extraordinary secrets about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject.
“I have no doubt at all that the US government is hiding extraordinary secrets about The Phenomenon.”
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217
Categorical statements made by Eric Davis and Luis Elizondo, together with more qualified assertions by Christopher Mellon and Harry Reid, suggest the United States has recovered non-human intelligently manufactured technology.
“The categorical statements made by defence and intelligence insiders Dr Eric Davis and Luis Elizondo (and the more qualified assertions by Christopher Mellon and former Senator Harry Reid) suggest that the United States has indeed recovered non-human intelligently manufactured technology”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:27230-27508 opinion first hand
218
Many claims made by Tom DeLonge of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences (TTSA) were corroborated by the leaked Democratic National Committee emails.
“It is hugely significant also that many of the claims made by punk rock star Tom DeLonge of TTSA were indisputably corroborated by the leaked Democratic National Committee emails.”
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219
Ross Coulthart is in no doubt that Nat Kobitz told him the truth of what he knew and saw about the alleged crash retrieval program.
“I am in absolutely no doubt that Nat Kobitz told me the truth of what he knew and saw”
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220
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that he was 'read into' a crash retrieval program and shown crafted bonded metal technology beyond anything he had ever seen before.
“he was 'read into' a crash retrieval program and shown crafted bonded metal technology beyond anything he had ever seen before”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:29604-29724 testimony second hand
221
Ross Coulthart suspects, based on his own sources, that technology not made by human hands has been recovered not only by the United States but also by Russia and China.
“I strongly suspect from what my own sources tell me that technology not made by human hands has been recovered, not only by the US but by Russia and China.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch28:29774-29923 opinion second hand
222
Ross Coulthart believes the United States has been wrestling for years with how to disclose the reality of recovered non-human technology to the public.
“I venture the US has been wrestling for years with how to break this shocking news to the public”
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223
Ross Coulthart believes the United States government has lied to its citizens for 75 years about recovered non-human technology and criminally persecuted those who threatened to expose the secret.
“it has flatly lied to its citizens for 75 years and criminally persecuted those who threatened The Big Secret”
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224
Ross Coulthart considers it notable that Salvatore Pais's patented craft is shaped like the black triangles reported in the skies for decades.
“Is it just a coincidence that the craft is shaped exactly like the black triangles seen in the skies for decades?”
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225
Ross Coulthart considers it notable that the schematic diagram of Salvatore Pais's 'gravitational wave generator' resembles a Tic Tac.
“Or that the schematic diagram of the 'gravitational wave generator' looks just like . . . well . . . a Tic Tac?”
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226
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that an unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) reverse-engineering programme was underway.
“If what Nat Kobitz told me is correct – that a UAP reverse-engineering program was underway”
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Ross Coulthart considers it possible that Steve Justice's departure from To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences (TTSA) meant the Advanced Electromagnetic Vehicle project was shut down.
“Does Steve Justice's departure from TTSA mean that this revolutionary vehicle project was shut down?”
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228
An anonymous US Navy commander, according to Ross Coulthart's Defense sources, came forward to the White House with information that further undermined the confidence of President Joe Biden's advisors in the Pentagon's capacity for candour during the Balloongate controversy.
“This author also heard more concerning accounts from Defense sources at this time, namely that a senior US Navy commander had come forward to the White House with information that only served to further undermine the confidence of President Biden's advisors in the Pentagon's capacity for candour”
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Ross Coulthart considers a stuff-up more likely than a conspiracy in the White House's handling of the February 2023 shoot-downs, believing the White House probably already knew early on that the objects were likely just prosaic commercial balloons but faced embarrassment over having over-reacted.
“I suspect that a stuff-up is more likely than a conspiracy: the White House probably already knew early on from their advisors that the objects were likely just prosaic commercial balloons, but they faced huge embarrassment over the fact that they had almost certainly over-reacted”
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In 1968, the United States Congress previously attempted to seriously investigate the UAP phenomenon.
“as Congress was in 1968, the last time it attempted to seriously investigate the phenomenon?”
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The Admiral Wilson Memo implies that a UAP reverse-engineering program is operating under intense secrecy, hidden in private corporate aerospace, and known about by only a few defence and intelligence insiders.
“if, as the much-disputed Admiral Wilson memo implies, there is a UAP reverse engineering program operating under intense secrecy, hidden in private corporate aerospace and known about by only a few defence and intelligence insiders”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:15837-16060 hearsay second hand
232
If a UAP reverse-engineering program were authorised and overseen solely by Congress's so-called Gang of Eight as a Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program (WUSAP), it would be required to stay secret under the National Defense Authorization Act 2023's UAP provisions.
“so long as it was 'authorised', perhaps by being oversighted solely by the Congress' so-called Gang of Eight as a WUSAP, it would be required to stay secret under these laws.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:16075-16244 opinion first hand
233
Ross Coulthart considers it possible that a plausibly deniable Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program (WUSAP) hidden within private aerospace is concealing recovered alien technology that has been secretly reverse-engineered for decades.
“the holy grail of (as yet, unproven) UFO-UAP conspiracy theories has it that dark forces in either the United States government or, more likely, a plausibly deniable Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program (WUSAP) hidden within private aerospace, are concealing recovered alien technology and that for decades they have been secretly attempting to back-engineer this awesome discovery.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:3760-4140 opinion first hand
234
Ross Coulthart considers the testimony of Nat Kobitz and other anonymous sources as circumstantial evidence warranting more serious consideration of the possibility that the United States is sitting on recovered alien technology.
“Th ere is considerable circumstantial evidence (including the testimony of Nat Kobitz and my other anonymous sources) to warrant this being taken more seriously than it has been to date, but I still think it is impossible to yet reach a defi nitive conclusion.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:5864-6113 opinion first hand
235
In a 2021 study, German physicist Erik Lentz of Göttingen University proposes a method of warping space-time around a hypothetical spacecraft that would enable it to effectively travel faster than light without challenging conventional physics.
“a 2021 study by German physicist Erik Lentz from Göttingen University proposes a way of warping space time around a hypothetical spacecraft enabling it to effectively travel faster than light without challenging conventional physics.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:6823-7048 testimony second hand
236
Erik Lentz posits the existence of solitons, a type of wave that could function as warp bubbles capable of superluminal motion, theoretically enabling an object to pass through space-time while shielded from the effect of extreme forces.
“He posits the existence of what he calls solitons – a type of wave that could function as warp bubbles, capable of superluminal motion, and theoretically enabling an object to pass through space-time while shielded from the effect of those extreme forces.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:7057-7305 testimony second hand
237
Ross Coulthart has been told that a non-human intelligence originating from another planet or dimension is increasingly considered the least likely explanation for the UAP phenomenon.
“I am told that is increasingly the least likely explanation for the phenomenon.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:7495-7563 hearsay second hand
238
Ross Coulthart cites the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the CIA's COINTELPRO program, and the Iran-Contra scandal as examples of the United States government's history of lying to its populace.
“the US has a lamentable history of flat-out lying to its populace (the Gulf of Tonkin incident, CIA COINTELPRO, Iran-Contra).”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:8504-8621 opinion first hand
239
Ross Coulthart is apprised of enough data points from multiple sources to question whether at least some of what is being reported as UAP is secret US technology currently in development.
“I am apprised of enough data points from multiple sources to make me question if at least some of what is being reported as UAPs is secret US technology currently in development.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:8630-8796 opinion first hand
240
The term 'anomalous' in the National Defense Authorization Act 2023's UAP provisions is new terminology, since Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) had previously been expressed as unidentified 'aerial' or 'aerospace' phenomena.
“That is a striking change off the top because 'anomalous' is new. UAP has previously been expressed as unidentified 'aerial' or 'aerospace' phenomena.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:9129-9269 opinion first hand
241
The substitution of 'anomalous' for 'aerial' or 'aerospace' is, in Ross Coulthart's view, an implicit recognition that these objects are trans-medium, operating in the sky, in the ocean, and in orbit.
“The substitution of 'anomalous' is an implicit recognition of something that has become clear in the past year or so, firstly that these objects are trans-medium, operating not only in our skies but also in our ocean...and in orbit”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:9281-9570 opinion first hand
242
Ross Coulthart considers that the UAP phenomenon has an aspect that is paranormal and not easily explained as mere technology, citing claims of werewolves, dogmen, shadow figures, and interdimensional portals such as those described at Skinwalker Ranch.
“there is also an aspect to this phenomenon that is, dare I say, paranormal, not easily explained as mere technology. Claims of werewolves or dogmen, shadow figures and interdimensional portals such as those described at Skinwalker Ranch may make your head explode with incredulity dear reader, but as uncomfortable as it may be admitting it, they are part of the phenomenon that needs investigation.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch30:9610-10021 opinion first hand
243
Ross Coulthart considers it not sound science to make a sweeping generalisation that eyewitness evidence should never be taken seriously because it pertains to UAP.
“It is surely not sound science to make a sweeping generalisation that eyewitness evidence should *never* be taken seriously just because it pertains to UAPs.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:14509-14661 opinion first hand
244
Ross Coulthart considers that scientists' reluctance to intellectually engage with the UAP phenomenon and their quick dismissal of incidents without serious investigation is encouraging conspiratorial thinking.
“I suspect scientists’ reluctance to intellectually engage with the phenomenon, and their quick dismissal of any incidents without serious investigation, accompanied by ridicule and mockery, is actually encouraging this conspiratorial thinking.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:16556-16790 opinion first hand
245
The broadcast TV footage of the 1978 Kaikoura UAP sighting showed only distant unexplained lights and did not show an apparent craft or object of any kind.
“But when we all finally got to see the TV images, while they showed distant unexplained lights, the vision was underwhelming. It did not show an apparent craft or object of any kind behind the darting lights – certainly not a ‘flying saucer’.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:4931-5165 observation first hand
246
Despite an official government investigation, the 1978 Kaikoura sighting remains one of the world's most well-recorded unexplained UAP sightings.
“However, the fact is that despite an official government investigation, the Kaikoura sighting remains one of the world’s most well-recorded unexplained UAP sightings.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:8162-8318 opinion first hand
247
In the early 1990s, Royal Australian Air Force insiders encouraged Ross Coulthart to reconsider his dismissive attitude towards unidentified objects in the skies.
“It was not until the early 1990s, when I was working in Australia as a television investigative journalist for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s *Four Corners*, that I was encouraged by Australian Air Force insiders to reconsider my default dismissive attitude towards unidentified objects in our skies.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:8330-8635 testimony first hand
248
Two senior serving Royal Australian Air Force officers spoke to Ross Coulthart about UFO or flying saucer sightings they had experienced during their careers.
“One of my contacts in the air force was a very senior officer and, to my surprise, over a beer, he and another serving senior officer started talking expansively about ‘UFO’ or ‘flying saucer sightings’ they had experienced during their careers.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:8642-8879 testimony second hand
249
Ross Coulthart reported a story in the Gulf of Carpentaria in Far North Queensland, interviewing an Aboriginal elder known as Blue Bob.
“I once reported a story in the Gulf of Carpentaria in Far North Queensland, interviewing a venerable Aboriginal elder known as Blue Bob, who knew the landscape like the back of his hand.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:865-1046 testimony first hand
250
An anonymous senior Royal Australian Air Force officer told Ross Coulthart that pilots don't report UFO sightings because it is career-ending to admit seeing such things, but that something weird is happening that too many of them have seen to be dismissed.
“I still have my shorthand notes of our conversation, where one told me: ‘Pilots don’t report this sort of stuff because it’s career-ending to admit you see these things. But there is something weird happening that can’t be dismissed. Too many of us have seen these objects.’”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch6:9109-9374 hearsay second hand
251
In the 1990s, most young journalists served time on night-shift news desks fielding calls from the public.
“Back in the 1990s, most young reporters served time on night-shift news desks fielding calls from the public.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 page 11-12 observation first hand
252
Ross Coulthart has spoken to over a dozen people, probably more than 15, who have operated or are operating inside the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program.
“I've spoken to over a dozen people, probably 15 plus people who operate, either have operated or are operating inside what we would call the legacy retrieval, retrieval of non-human craft and reverse engineering program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:00:16.4-00:00:30.5 testimony first hand
253
People currently working inside the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program admitted to Ross Coulthart that high-power microwave (HPM) weapons are being used to bring down non-human craft.
“people that I was talking to in the program, who are still in the program, admitted to me that we're using high-pulse microwave weapons, HPMs, to down... ...craft.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:00:35.7-00:00:46.4 hearsay second hand
254
The large UFO-related site described by Ross Coulthart is a building.
“It's a building. I've said it's a building.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:01:38.8-00:01:40.0 testimony first hand
255
At about 22:30 during the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration, Jordan Jozak put a blindfold over his eyes and within a few seconds said he was engaged and that he was in a craft.
“At 10.30 at night, he puts the blindfold over his eyes and within a few seconds, he says, I'm engaged. I said, what do you mean you're engaged? He says, I'm in a craft.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:01:46.2-00:01:54.7 testimony first hand
256
The information Ross Coulthart most wishes he had never been told is the names of the people who ordered the murder of Jake Barber's team.
“Chris Ramsay: is there a piece of information you wish you were never told? Ross Coulthart: Yeah. Yeah, there is. ... I was given the names of people who ordered the murder of his team.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:02:34.5-00:02:54.4 testimony first hand
257
Ross Coulthart was given the names of the people who ordered the murder of Jake Barber's team.
“I was given the names of, and it wasn't Jake. I was given the names of people who ordered the murder of his team.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:02:45.0-00:02:54.6 testimony second hand
258
Ross Coulthart travelled from Australia to appear on DEBRIEFED episode 76 with Chris Ramsay.
“thank you for making the trek, obviously, you know, all the way from Australia”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:04:36.0-00:04:38.8 administrative first hand
259
Ross Coulthart had an engagement in Los Angeles following his appearance on DEBRIEFED episode 76.
“I know you've got an engagement coming up in LAX, or sorry, in Los Angeles”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:04:39.3-00:04:43.1 administrative first hand
260
Ross Coulthart began investigating the Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) subject approximately eight years before 2026-02-20.
“I set out eight years ago with the arrogant, conformational bias assumption that this was all an American black program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:06:57.6-00:07:06.1 testimony first hand
261
Ross Coulthart began his Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) investigation with the confirmation-bias assumption that the phenomenon was entirely an American black programme.
“I set out eight years ago with the arrogant, conformational bias assumption that this was all an American black program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:06:57.6-00:07:06.1 testimony first hand
262
Ross Coulthart considers Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) to be physical, detectable objects.
“I think we're at the point now where we know that these are physical objects. They're detectable.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:07:13.6-00:07:17.9 opinion first hand
263
The United States admits the existence of unidentified anomalous phenomena while maintaining that it does not know what they are or whether they are extraterrestrial.
“The US is admitting that this phenomena, this unidentified anomalous phenomena, but they maintain the fiction that they have no idea what it is. They don't know if it's extraterrestrial.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:07:19.1-00:07:30.0 testimony first hand
264
Ross Coulthart considers investigative journalism into the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject to be an underserved market.
“it was a natural progression and an underserved market really”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:08:27.9-00:08:31.7 opinion first hand
265
Ross Coulthart believes part of the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program works with craft far beyond known human capability.
“There is a part of the legacy program that's working with, I believe, crafts that are far beyond known human kin.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:09:26.2-00:09:33.7 opinion first hand
266
Ross Coulthart's father was a doctor in a small country town in New Zealand.
“I remember my dad, who was a doctor in a small country town in New Zealand”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:10:26.6-00:10:30.6 testimony first hand
267
Ross Coulthart's father told him in 1978 that he had seen a Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) near their New Zealand town.
“telling me on a particular night that he had seen a UFO”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:10:31.7-00:10:35.4 testimony second hand
268
The local policeman in the New Zealand town where Ross Coulthart's father lived also saw and reported a Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) in 1978.
“the policeman had talked to him about how he'd also seen it and that he'd reported it”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:10:43.1-00:10:46.7 hearsay third hand
269
While researching the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident, Ross Coulthart found in the New Zealand archives a logged report from the local policeman of his father's town confirming the sighting of a craft.
“when I started researching the December 1978 Kaikōura incident, I couldn't believe it because there in the files was the logged report from the local policeman from the town that my dad was in, confirming that he'd seen a craft.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:11:03.4-00:11:19.6 testimony first hand
270
Ross Coulthart's father was a sceptic who did not believe in Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) accounts.
“dad was a total skeptic. He didn't believe any of this bullshit.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:11:23.8-00:11:27.2 testimony first hand
271
Frederick Valentich disappeared in a light aircraft over Bass Strait shortly before the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident.
“shortly before the Kaikōura incident, there'd been an incident involving a young fellow called Frederick Valentich in Australia. He disappeared. He disappeared in a light plane over Bass Strait”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:11:51.0-00:12:02.6 testimony
272
Bass Strait is the body of water between Tasmania and the southern part of mainland Australia.
“over Bass Strait, which is a strait of water between Tasmania, an island off the southern part of Australia”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:12:01.4-00:12:07.9 administrative
273
Frederick Valentich flew out of Moorabbin Airport in Melbourne on the flight during which he disappeared.
“he flew out of Moorabbin in Melbourne, Melbourne Airport”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:12:10.7-00:12:12.8 testimony
274
The last thing Frederick Valentich said in his radio transmission before disappearing was that the object was not an aeroplane.
“the last thing he said was it's not an airplane”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:12:18.7-00:12:22.0 testimony second hand
275
The official explanation for Frederick Valentich's 1978 disappearance remains that he crashed into the water, possibly while flying upside down.
“the official explanation to this day is he crashed into the water. Maybe he was flying upside down.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:12:46.9-00:12:52.0 testimony
276
Ross Coulthart considers the official inverted-flight crash explanation implausible for the type of Cessna light aircraft Frederick Valentich was flying.
“There's a whole lot of reasons why that's not plausible for that particular type of Cessna aircraft.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:12:52.4-00:12:56.3 opinion first hand
277
Ross Coulthart regards the farmer's account of Frederick Valentich's aircraft being commandeered by a flying saucer as apocryphal hearsay.
“That's one from a farmer, and it's an apocryphal story because it's hearsay.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:13:09.0-00:13:12.1 opinion first hand
278
A photograph exists of a distant object taken at sunset shortly before Frederick Valentich's 1978 disappearance over Bass Strait.
“there's a photograph. There's a photograph of a very distant object shortly before. ... At sunset.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:13:16.3-00:13:22.8 testimony first hand
279
Newspaper reports at the time of the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident asserted that the lights were squid boat lights refracted on clouds.
“The reports in the newspapers very quickly asserted that what this was were squid boat lights... somehow those lights had refracted on clouds”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:14:11.4-00:14:19.0 testimony first hand
280
The declassified New Zealand archive files on the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident show the squid boat lights explanation to be untenable.
“What was fascinating was to read the declassified New Zealand archives files that showed that was complete nonsense.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:14:33.5-00:14:40.0 testimony second hand
281
The objects in the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident were detected on radar.
“They were caught on radar.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:14:43.2-00:14:44.0 observation first hand
282
John Cordy was an air traffic controller at Wellington Airport at the time of the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident.
“There was a guy called John Cordy at Wellington Airport, which was across Cook Strait at the bottom of the North Island”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:14:46.8-00:14:52.8 administrative first hand
283
Wellington Airport lies across Cook Strait at the bottom of New Zealand's North Island.
“Wellington Airport, which was across Cook Strait at the bottom of the North Island”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:14:49.0-00:14:52.8 administrative
284
John Cordy retained a detailed recollection of the night of the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident when Ross Coulthart interviewed him.
“he had an absolute razor-sharp memory of what had happened that night”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:15:00.5-00:15:04.4 testimony first hand
285
During the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident John Cordy and a second, principal air traffic controller observed radar returns of objects moving around an Argosy cargo aircraft.
“he described how he and another controller, the other controller was the principal controller... They were looking at radar returns and objects moving around the Argosy cargo aircraft.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:15:18.0-00:15:32.4 observation second hand
286
The Argosy cargo aircraft involved in the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident was carrying newspapers up the east coast of New Zealand's South Island from Christchurch to Blenheim.
“a big lumbering Argosy cargo aircraft carrying newspapers up the east coast of the South Island from Christchurch to a place called Blenheim in the upper part of the South Island”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:15:33.4-00:15:44.0 administrative
287
Dennis Grant, Quentin Fogarty and Davy Crockett filmed objects approaching the cockpit window of the Argosy cargo aircraft during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident.
“as Dennis Grant, Quentin Fogarty and Davy Crockett... were filming with a film camera from the cockpit window of the Argosy aircraft, objects coming up to the window of the aircraft”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:15:46.4-00:16:07.8 observation
288
The movement of the objects filmed from the Argosy cargo aircraft during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident was corroborated in real time by air traffic controllers in Wellington, roughly 80 to 95 kilometres away across Cook Strait.
“That movement is being corroborated in real time by the air traffic controllers in Wellington, right across the water, probably 50, 60 miles away across Cook Strait.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:16:10.1-00:16:22.0 measurement first hand
289
Dennis Grant became a highly regarded political commentator and one of the top political correspondents in Australia.
“Dennis Grant, who ended up becoming a highly reputable political commentator and one of the top political correspondents in Australia”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:16:25.4-00:16:31.6 administrative first hand
290
Dennis Grant retains his contemporaneous notes recorded inside the Argosy cargo aircraft during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident, and those notes match the positions John Cordy reported seeing on radar in Wellington.
“Dennis is still alive and he's got his notes of what he recorded inside the aircraft and those notes are corroborating what was being said back to the air traffic controllers at this time exactly... that's exactly what John Cordy was saying he was seeing back in Wellington”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:16:32.7-00:16:55.5 testimony second hand
291
Ross Coulthart was 16 years old in 1978 and accepted the government's explanation of the Kaikoura lights incident at the time.
“in 1978, I was 16 years old. So I was a teenage kid. I just accepted the government explanation.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:17:04.3-00:17:09.6 testimony first hand
292
Robert Muldoon was the New Zealand prime minister at the time of the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident, though Ross Coulthart described him in the interview as prime minister of Australia.
“Back then, the prime minister of Australia was a guy called Sir Robert Muldoon.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:17:11.0-00:17:14.8 administrative first hand
293
Robert Muldoon's instinct, visible in the New Zealand archives, was to shut down the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident as quickly as possible.
“And his instinct, and you could see this in the archives, was to shut this down as quickly as possible.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:17:22.2-00:17:27.3 testimony second hand
294
One of Ross Coulthart's first journalism jobs was as a cub reporter at the New Zealand Herald newspaper in Auckland.
“One of my first gigs in journalism was with the New Zealand Herald newspaper in Auckland... And I was the young cub reporter.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:17:28.9-00:17:34.7 testimony first hand
295
The New Zealand Herald is New Zealand's main national flagship newspaper.
“which is a sort of flagship newspaper in New Zealand. It's the main sort of national newspaper.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:17:35.1-00:17:40.1 administrative
296
The New Zealand Herald had a tradition of sending a reporter to interview the retired Robert Muldoon at his beach house at Christmas time.
“for some weird reason, it was a tradition on the newspaper to go and interview Sir Robert Muldoon in his beach house”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:17:54.5-00:18:00.9 testimony first hand
297
Ross Coulthart interviewed the retired Robert Muldoon about the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident roughly six years after the event.
“I asked him about the Kaikōura incident. And this is only probably, oh gosh, six years later.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:18:08.1-00:18:14.2 testimony first hand
298
Robert Muldoon told Ross Coulthart in an interview roughly six years after the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident that the Americans wanted the incident shut down as quickly as possible.
“He chuckled. and referred to how the Americans wanted that shut down as quickly as possible.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:18:16.7-00:18:22.3 testimony second hand
299
John Cordy died approximately two or three years before 2026-02-20.
“John Cordy, who's now sadly passed away. He passed away about two or three years ago.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:18:30.8-00:18:34.8 administrative first hand
300
John Cordy told Ross Coulthart that the air traffic controllers at Wellington Tower became very unpopular and suffered professionally for publicly corroborating what Quentin Fogarty filmed during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident.
“John Cordy told me how it was obvious to him in the air traffic control tower in Wellington Tower, they were very unpopular for corroborating what Quentin Fogarty, the filmmaker, recorded... Yeah, basically they suffered. for speaking out publicly.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:18:35.7-00:18:53.9 testimony second hand
301
Quentin Fogarty became a good friend of Ross Coulthart.
“And Quentin, who became a good friend of mine, Quentin Fogarty”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:18:54.9-00:18:57.0 testimony first hand
302
Quentin Fogarty was an Australian journalist and made a film about the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident called Let's Hope They're Friendly.
“Quentin Fogarty, was an Australian journalist, and he made a film called Let's Hope They're Friendly.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:18:56.7-00:19:02.3 administrative first hand
303
Royal New Zealand Air Force investigators accepted that neither the squid boat lights explanation nor the Venus explanation accounted for the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident, despite those explanations being given to the New Zealand public.
“even the New Zealand Air Force investigators accepted that neither explanation washed. But that's what was put to the New Zealand public.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:19:28.3-00:19:37.5 testimony second hand
304
Ross Coulthart considers Bruce Maccabee one of the most respected analysts of Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) cases of the past 50 years.
“one of, I think, the most respected analysts of UFOs in the last 50 years is Bruce McAbee”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:20:16.9-00:20:23.6 opinion first hand
305
Bruce Maccabee is an American physicist who had an association with a quasi-defence agency and conducted Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) research on the side.
“an American, I think he was a physicist. But he had a vague association with a quasi-defense agency, but he did a lot of UFO work on the side.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:20:24.0-00:20:34.6 administrative first hand
306
Bruce Maccabee analysed a copy of the Kaikoura Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) film footage for Quentin Fogarty and the Australian television network covering the story.
“he had taken the film, a copy of the film, and analysed it for Quentin and the TV network back in Australia that was doing the story”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:20:35.9-00:20:46.1 administrative first hand
307
Bruce Maccabee found the movements of the objects in the Kaikoura Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) film footage to be anomalous.
“what Bruce found was that the movements of these objects were anomalous”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:20:48.5-00:20:52.9 measurement second hand
308
Bill Startup was the captain piloting the Argosy cargo aircraft during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident.
“you had Captain, the pilot was called Bill Startup, Captain Bill Startup”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:20:56.8-00:21:01.3 administrative first hand
309
Bill Startup lived in Blenheim, and Ross Coulthart met him once.
“I got to meet him once and he lived in Blenheim.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:21:06.2-00:21:08.4 testimony first hand
310
Bill Startup had no doubt about what he had seen during the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident and was angry at suggestions that it was a piloting mistake, regarding such suggestions as derogatory to his profession.
“absolutely no doubt in his mind about what he'd seen and he was angry about the misrepresentations of this being him somehow making a mistake as a pilot... to him that was a derogatory inference about his profession”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:21:11.4-00:21:27.0 testimony second hand
311
Other pilots on a flight the previous night also saw the objects associated with the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident, a fact not commonly reported.
“what was commonly not reported was that there'd been other pilots on a previous flight the previous nights... that had seen these objects”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:21:29.3-00:21:35.6 testimony first hand
312
The objects associated with the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident had been hovering in the Kaikoura area and performing displays for some time before the filmed encounter.
“So whatever they were, they'd been hovering in that area and doing these displays for quite some time.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:21:37.8-00:21:43.2 opinion first hand
313
Ross Coulthart regards the radar data from the Wellington tower as the definitive hard evidence in the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident.
“But the definitive evidence was when you had the hard evidence from the radar tower in Wellington.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:21:44.1-00:21:50.0 opinion first hand
314
Ross Coulthart experienced ontological shock on learning from a former New Zealand prime minister that suppression of the 1978 Kaikoura lights incident was done largely at the behest of the Americans.
“For me, it was kind of an ontological shock. to realize... to hear from a former prime minister of New Zealand that this was done largely at the behest of the Americans, why?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:21:55.8-00:22:10.3 testimony first hand
315
The 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident occurred on 1966-04-06.
“the Westall case in 66, which we're coming up to the anniversary of in April... April 6th.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:22:15.9-00:22:21.6 administrative first hand
316
Victorian UFO Action is a Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) investigation group in Victoria, Australia, led mainly by James Rigney.
“there's a great Victorian UFO investigation group, mainly led by a guy called James Rigney”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:22:30.0-00:22:36.2 administrative first hand
317
James Rigney was instrumental in securing the release of the Wilson-Davis memo.
“James Rigney, who, by the way, was instrumental in securing the release of the Wilson Davis document”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:22:35.8-00:22:41.0 administrative first hand
318
James Rigney told Ross Coulthart about the Kelly Cahill 1993 Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) encounter.
“And he also told me about the Kelly Cahill.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:22:55.0-00:22:57.0 testimony first hand
319
Ross Coulthart spent a weekend with James Rigney visiting the site of the Kelly Cahill 1993 Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) encounter.
“I spent a weekend with James going around looking at the Kelly Cahill site”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:24:25.5-00:24:29.2 testimony first hand
320
Ross Coulthart met a number of the people who had been present as children at the 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident and concluded they were not lying.
“I got to meet a whole lot of the people who'd been present at Westall as little kids... these people aren't lying. This is real.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:24:32.4-00:24:41.5 opinion first hand
321
Andrew Greenwood was the science teacher present on the quadrangle with the pupils at Westall High School during the 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident.
“he was the teacher, the science teacher who had been on the quadrangle with these kids”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:24:58.7-00:25:03.7 administrative first hand
322
During the 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident on 1966-04-06, between one and three objects hovered over the Westall High School playground, with witness accounts differing on the number.
“on the 6th of April, 1966, they looked up over the field and there were either two or three or maybe one, nobody's quite sure, there are differing witness accounts, one to three objects hovering over the school playground”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:25:05.2-00:25:21.7 observation second hand
323
More than 100 children looked up at the objects during the 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident.
“And there are 100 plus kids looking up at this object objects”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:25:22.8-00:25:27.3 measurement first hand
324
The objects seen during the 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident were metallic elliptical discs.
“and they are metallic elliptical disks”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:25:29.0-00:25:33.2 observation second hand
325
One of the objects seen during the 1966 Westall Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident landed while the children watched.
“And as these kids watch, one of the objects lands in an a”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:25:34.4-00:25:39.5 observation second hand
326
In the 1966 Westall UFO incident, the school children knew the area of forest where the object landed better than the military personnel who arrived in numbers and secured the site shortly afterwards.
“the kids knew that land better than the military who came in in their droves and secured the site shortly thereafter”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:25:47.8-00:25:54.7 testimony first hand
327
Ross Coulthart doubts the elaborate accounts by some people who claim they touched the craft in the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“There's some elaborate stories where some people claim that they touched the craft, and I'm not 100% sure about that.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:00.7-00:26:07.5 opinion first hand
328
During the 1966 Westall UFO incident, a group of school children got close enough to see the craft from approximately five metres away.
“But I am in no doubt that a group of kids got close enough to see the craft from probably five meters away.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:08.1-00:26:13.3 opinion first hand
329
The 1966 Westall UFO incident in Melbourne is very similar to the 1994 Ariel School UFO encounter at Ruwa, Zimbabwe.
“Yeah, this is not unlike, you know, the Zimbabwe incident as well at the Ariel School. / It's very similar.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:13.9-00:26:19.9 opinion first hand
330
The 60th anniversary of the 1966 Westall UFO incident is approaching and Ross Coulthart intends to attend it.
“it's coming up for the 60th anniversary, and I'm going to be there for it, hopefully”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:25.2-00:26:28.4 testimony first hand
331
Andrew Greenwood was a science teacher at the school involved in the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“Andrew Greenwood the science teacher”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:36.4-00:26:38.2 administrative first hand
332
Andrew Greenwood spoke publicly to a local suburban newspaper about what he saw during the 1966 Westall UFO incident, and his quotes remain available in newspaper archives today.
“Andrew Greenwood the science teacher speaks publicly to a local newspaper a local tabloid not tabloid a local suburban newspaper and he says you know i'm sure about what i saw and there's the quotes of what he said in the newspaper are still available in the archives today”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:26:36.4-00:26:53.3 testimony first hand
333
Andrew Greenwood received a late-night knock at his door from one man in Royal Australian Air Force uniform and another man in civilian clothes after speaking publicly about the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“He opens the door and there's one man in Air Force uniform, Australian Air Force uniform, and there's another man in civilian clothes.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:02.1-00:27:09.2 testimony second hand
334
Andrew Greenwood was angry about being threatened over his account of the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“And he was angry about this, really angry.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:13.3-00:27:15.6 testimony second hand
335
Andrew Greenwood said the two men who visited his home threatened that if he did not stop talking about what he had seen at Westall they would spread a story that he was an alcoholic and he would lose his teaching job.
“They threatened him that if he didn't shut up talking about what he'd seen, they would put around a story that he was an alcoholic and he would lose his job as a teacher.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:16.5-00:27:26.0 testimony second hand
336
Andrew Greenwood did not talk publicly about the 1966 Westall UFO incident for most of the following 40 to 50 years because of the threat made to him.
“And that's why he didn't talk about it for most of the last 40, 50 years.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:27.4-00:27:33.4 testimony first hand
337
Andrew Greenwood was not an alcoholic.
“Chris Ramsay: Was he an alcoholic? Did he drink? Ross Coulthart: No. Not at all? No. Well, he probably had a glass of wine at Christmas time. ... No, he wasn't an alcoholic.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:35.7-00:27:41.8 testimony first hand
338
Ross Coulthart considers Andrew Greenwood to have been a decent and honourable man.
“He was a really decent, honorable man.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:42.8-00:27:44.8 opinion first hand
339
Andrew Greenwood has died.
“Sadly, he's passed away as well.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:27:45.8-00:27:47.1 administrative first hand
340
Andrew Greenwood described what he saw at Westall as a metallic-coloured elliptical-shaped object.
“he said whatever it was it was some kind of metallic colored elliptical shaped object”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:04.3-00:28:09.4 observation second hand
341
Andrew Greenwood would not say the object he saw at Westall was solid because he had not touched it.
“he couldn't say that it was solid because he didn't touch it”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:10.3-00:28:12.6 testimony second hand
342
Ross Coulthart has spoken to about a dozen witnesses who corroborate the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“I'd say there's probably, I don't know, a dozen corroborative witnesses that I've spoken to.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:21.6-00:28:27.6 testimony first hand
343
An Australian researcher has spoken to about 160 witnesses to the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“there's an Australian researcher who's done some phenomenal work and he's spoken to over a hundred and, I think it's 160 witnesses”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:28.3-00:28:34.8 hearsay second hand
344
Some witnesses to the 1966 Westall UFO incident saw Americans at the scene.
“There are people who saw Americans on the scene.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:36.8-00:28:40.1 testimony first hand
345
Royal Australian Air Force Base East Sale is about three to four hours' drive north of Melbourne.
“There was a base called the Royal Australian Air Force Base SAIL about three or four hours drive north of Melbourne.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:41.6-00:28:49.6 administrative first hand
346
The Americans operated a secret Lockheed U-2 spy plane flying over the Southern Oceans to monitor for radioactive plumes and residue from nuclear testing.
“the Americans had been operating a secret U-2 spy plane flying over the Southern Oceans to monitor for radioactive plumes, radioactive residue from either Russian nuclear testing or somebody else”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:28:50.8-00:29:05.2 testimony first hand
347
Witnesses to the 1966 Westall UFO incident, now adults in their sixties, described American jeeps and people wearing American uniforms arriving at the school.
“the kids that i spoke to now adults in their 60s they described american jeeps turning up people wearing american uniforms turning up at the school”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:29:16.4-00:29:25.8 testimony second hand
348
Witnesses to the 1966 Westall UFO incident described being threatened by men dressed in civilian clothes.
“they described being threatened by men dressed in civilian clothes”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:29:26.9-00:29:31.2 testimony second hand
349
The whole school assembly at Westall was told to stay silent about the 1966 UFO incident.
“the whole school assembly was told to shut up about it there was a real attempt to clamp it down”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:29:31.7-00:29:36.2 testimony second hand
350
Ross Coulthart plans to meet the Westall witnesses in April.
“And I'm so looking forward to seeing them in April”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:29:43.6-00:29:45.2 testimony first hand
351
The Australian Skeptics gave Ross Coulthart their Bent Spoon award for giving credibility to the 1966 Westall UFO incident.
“you've had groups like the Australian skeptics gave me a Bent Fork award because I was the skept, I was the journalist that, that said that, you know, I gave this credibility”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:29:55.1-00:30:02.7 administrative first hand
352
Ross Coulthart considers the Australian Skeptics to have dismissed the first-hand witness evidence for the 1966 Westall UFO incident with no scientific basis, characterising it as school children getting excited and confabulating after excitement about the Frederick Valentich case.
“They just sweepingly dismissed all of the evidence given by these multiple witnesses, first-hand witnesses, and just said it's just a bunch of school kids getting excited and confabulating, and they were excited about the Frederick Valentich case, and it's all nonsense.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:30:07.9-00:30:21.0 opinion first hand
353
Ross Coulthart has no doubt that the Westall witnesses are telling the truth and saw something anomalous.
“there is no doubt in my mind that they are telling the truth and that they saw something anomalous”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:30:27.7-00:30:32.7 opinion first hand
354
Andrew Greenwood believed the person who threatened him over the 1966 Westall UFO incident was from either the military or an intelligence agency.
“he had been threatened by somebody from what he believed was either military or an intelligence agency”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:30:40.4-00:30:46.6 testimony second hand
355
The reason the public inquiry into the 1966 Westall UFO incident was shut down is not known.
“Why? Well, we don't know.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:30:48.1-00:30:49.2 opinion first hand
356
Ross Coulthart considers there to have been a change in the handling of UAP secrecy since 2017.
“I think there's been a change since 2017.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:31:56.3-00:31:58.8 opinion first hand
357
Ross Coulthart began speaking to senior members of the United States Congress on background, not on the record, before UAP matters became public.
“I started talking to some quite senior people in Congress on background, like not on the record. Before a lot of this became public”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:32:01.1-00:32:11.9 testimony first hand
358
The Pentagon published a report in 2021 acknowledging that UAP are real and cannot be discounted.
“they published a report in 2021 acknowledging that UAPs are real. Whatever they are, they're real. They're not something that can be discounted.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:32:29.9-00:32:37.5 administrative second hand
359
Ross Coulthart considers the 2021 Pentagon acknowledgement that UAP are real to have been a major turning point in public awareness of the issue.
“That for me was a huge turning point in, I think, public awareness of the issue.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:32:38.8-00:32:42.8 opinion first hand
360
Before 2021 many members of the United States Congress, including members of the Gang of Eight, were genuinely unaware of UAP programmes.
“I would say that a lot of the people in Congress were genuinely oblivious, including, I can say this, members of the Gang of Eight.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:32:45.9-00:32:53.5 opinion first hand
361
Ross Coulthart used contacts from earlier stories to gain access to two members of the Gang of Eight during the period before 2021.
“And I pulled rank with a few people I knew from other stories I'd done to get access to two members of the Gang of Eight in that period.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:32:54.8-00:33:05.3 testimony first hand
362
The Gang of Eight is a group of senior politicians from both sides of politics, including the Senate Majority Leader and the House Majority Leader, entrusted to review the most sensitive secrets in the oversight committees.
“the Gang of Eight, as you would know, is a group of senior politicians, the Senate Majority Leader, the House Majority Leader, senior people, both sides of politics, who are entrusted to review in the oversight committees the most sensitive secrets of all”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:33:06.5-00:33:24.7 administrative first hand
363
Ross Coulthart considers there to be a persistent disregard within the United States intelligence community and military for congressional oversight, because they believe Congress cannot be trusted with secrets.
“there is still, I think, a contumelious disregard in the intelligence community and the military for the idea of oversight by Congress, because they believe very strongly that Congress can't be trusted with secrets”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:33:26.4-00:33:39.3 opinion first hand
364
Ross Coulthart considers the intelligence community and military probably correct that the United States Congress cannot be trusted with secrets.
“They're probably right.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:33:40.4-00:33:41.4 opinion first hand
365
Ross Coulthart considers distrust of congressional oversight to lie at the heart of the cover-up of the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“And I think this lies at the heart of the cover-up of the legacy.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:33:42.4-00:33:46.1 opinion first hand
366
A Special Access Program (SAP) is essentially a compartmentalised secret.
“we all know what a Special Access Program is. It's essentially a secret, a compartmentalized secret.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:33:58.3-00:34:02.7 administrative first hand
367
The most tightly held category of United States compartmentalised secrets is the Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program (WUSAP), above the Unacknowledged Special Access Program (USAP).
“Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, and then the biggest one of all are the WUSAPs, the Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Programs.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:34:06.8-00:34:13.1 administrative first hand
368
Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Programs and Unacknowledged Special Access Programs are generally put before the Gang of Eight, so that congressional oversight nominally remains.
“They are generally put before the Gang of Eight. And it means that there's still congressional oversight.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:34:19.2-00:34:25.2 administrative first hand
369
Ross Coulthart considers congressional oversight of Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Programs through the Gang of Eight not to work in practice, with information still held back by the CIA and the defence community.
“And that, frankly, doesn't really work in practice. And there's still, I think, holding back of information. ... By the CIA, by the defense community, because they don't trust.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:34:33.7-00:34:44.6 opinion first hand
370
The CIA has hidden information from the United States Congress over the years, as documented in histories of the agency.
“One of my favorite series of books is, you know, histories of the CIA and how the CIA has basically hidden stuff from Congress over the years.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:34:52.3-00:34:59.9 testimony second hand
371
United States law obliges intelligence agencies to reveal information to Congress, and accountability is enshrined in the United States Constitution.
“the law says very clearly they are obliged to reveal this information to Congress and accountability is enshrined in the Constitution, the US Constitution”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:35:09.7-00:35:17.8 administrative first hand
372
Around 2018 to 2020 sources categorically denied to Ross Coulthart any knowledge of a UFO retrieval programme, but became evasive when he returned to them after the 2021 Pentagon acknowledgement of UAP.
“There were people who were denying knowledge to me of any kind of program categorically in about 2018, 2019, 2020. And then when I went back to them after that moment, when in 2021, the Pentagon had made the admission that there are UAPs, they were evasive.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:35:28.5-00:35:51.2 testimony first hand
373
Ross Coulthart considers that certain but not all members of the Gang of Eight have been read into the UFO programme in the period since 2021.
“And I think what's happened in the interim is certain members of the Gang of Eight, not all of them, have been read in. They've been told.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:35:52.7-00:36:03.2 opinion first hand
374
Ross Coulthart expects the Pentagon and the intelligence community to use the fact that certain members of the United States Congress were read in as a defence of their reputations when it emerges they have lied to the public and to presidents for decades.
“I think this is what's going to be used as an attempt to rescue the tattered reputations of the Pentagon and the intelligence community when the truth does finally come out that they've been lying to the public and indeed to presidents for many decades.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:36:04.2-00:36:18.1 opinion first hand
375
Ross Coulthart is confident that Senator John McCain was aware of the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme, based on information from someone who knew McCain very well.
“I'm pretty sure Senator John McCain was very much aware of the legacy retrieval reverse engineering. ... Chris Ramsay: Is that second-hand or first-hand information? Ross Coulthart: I get that from somebody who knew him. ... Very well.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:36:37.6-00:36:48.0 hearsay second hand
376
Ross Coulthart considers that key people in the United States Congress have been entrusted with information about the legacy UFO retrieval programme.
“And I don't doubt for a moment that there have been key people in the Congress who've been entrusted with this information”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:36:51.6-00:36:59.5 opinion first hand
377
Ross Coulthart considers that a control group genuinely exists overseeing the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“there really is as batty as this sounds there really is a control group”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:37:11.5-00:37:15.5 opinion first hand
378
Ross Coulthart considers the control group overseeing the legacy UFO retrieval programme to consist partly of people working in government but mostly of people working in private aerospace.
“These are people working in government in a lot of the cases, but a lot of them, I'd say the majority of them, are people working in private aerospace.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:37:31.4-00:37:38.2 opinion first hand
379
Ross Coulthart considers members of the control group overseeing the legacy UFO retrieval programme to be present in the well-known aerospace companies Battelle, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing and Raytheon.
“they're in all of the well-known aerospace companies. Battelle, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:37:44.8-00:37:51.3 opinion first hand
380
People read into the legacy UFO retrieval programme have often come through the route of the CIA's science and technology directorate and are regarded as a safe pair of hands.
“Often they've come through the route of the CIA science technology. They're safe people to be entrusted with the secret, and they've been read in, briefed into the program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:37:57.6-00:38:09.1 opinion first hand
381
Those inside the legacy UFO retrieval programme periodically bring trusted key politicians into the loop.
“periodically they will bring into the loop key politicians who are trusted”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:38:10.4-00:38:15.8 opinion first hand
382
Ross Coulthart knows from one of his own sources what an unnamed United States senator and member of the Gang of Eight was told about the UFO programme about a year before February 2026, and considers that the senator has since lied to the public about it.
“I had an incident when I was doing some research a year ago, and I know what a certain senator was told by a source of mine, and I know he has lied to the public about what he's been told. And it's quite galling to me because he's clearly made a decision as a member of the Gang of Eight to completely mislead.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:38:19.4-00:38:41.5 testimony second hand
383
Ross Coulthart considers that for a large part of the last 50 to 60 years the legacy UFO retrieval programme treated the United States Congress with contempt and briefed no one.
“the legacy program were treating Congress with utter contempt and not briefing anyone. And that for a large part of the last 50, 60 years has been the status quo.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:38:56.8-00:39:06.6 opinion first hand
384
In the year or two before February 2026 the legacy UFO retrieval programme began briefing select United States senators, while Ross Coulthart considers they do not trust the House of Representatives at all.
“But what they've done in the last year or two, particularly, is they've started briefing in select senators in particular. I don't think they trust the House at all.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:39:10.1-00:39:18.9 opinion first hand
385
Ross Coulthart considers those running the legacy UFO retrieval programme to be briefing senators in order to protect themselves in the event of disclosure.
“Oh, no, I think they're scrambling to protect themselves in the event that this does become disclosed.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:39:25.6-00:39:29.4 opinion first hand
386
Ross Coulthart has little doubt that an executive order exists giving a quasi-legality to the continued secrecy of the UFO retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“Well, I'm in little doubt that there is some kind of an executive order that regulates a quasi-legality to the continued secrecy of the retrieval reverse engineering program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:39:31.7-00:39:42.7 opinion first hand
387
Top constitutional lawyers consulted by Ross Coulthart can see no basis under which successive United States presidents could be bound by an executive order signed under Dwight D. Eisenhower or Harry S. Truman into not being briefed on the UFO programme even when they requested it.
“People I've spoken to who are constitutional lawyers, really top constitutional lawyers, tell me that they cannot see any basis under which, for example, successive presidents could be bound into not being able to be briefed, even when they asked for it, like Clinton did, by, say, an executive order that was passed by Eisenhower or Truman.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:39:44.1-00:40:04.8 opinion second hand
388
Bill Clinton asked to be briefed on the UFO retrieval programme while president.
“successive presidents could be bound into not being able to be briefed, even when they asked for it, like Clinton did”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:39:53.6-00:40:00.0 testimony first hand
389
Ross Coulthart was told by sources that a secret executive order enshrining the legacy UFO retrieval and reverse engineering programme and keeping it secret from Congress was signed probably during the Truman administration, with another during the Eisenhower administration.
“it's not an apocryphal story, I'm told, that there is a secret executive order that was signed probably during the Truman administration. There was one also done during the Eisenhower administration, And that this enshrined the legacy retrieval reverse engineering program and kept it secret from Congress.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:40:06.7-00:40:26.0 hearsay second hand
390
Ross Coulthart trained as a lawyer.
“I was trained as a lawyer”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:40:31.4-00:40:32.5 administrative first hand
391
Ross Coulthart regards the United States Constitution as one of the most beautiful documents on the planet and an incredible statement of ideals.
“I'm fascinated by what I think is one of the most beautiful documents on the planet, the US Constitution. I think it's an incredible statement of ideals.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:40:33.1-00:40:40.8 opinion first hand
392
Ross Coulthart considers the ideals of the United States Constitution to have been corrupted by the UAP programme.
“the interesting thing to me is how those ideals have been corrupted, sadly, with this story, with the UAP program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:40:43.1-00:40:49.8 opinion first hand
393
While working as a journalist in Australia, Ross Coulthart saw a defence minister order a leaks inquiry over a story Coulthart had done, knowing the minister was himself the person who had leaked the information.
“As a journalist, in Australia, I've seen it for myself, where a politician, a defense minister, for example, ordered a leaks inquiry because of a story I'd done. And I knew he was the guy that had leaked me the information.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:40:58.6-00:41:10.2 testimony first hand
394
Ross Coulthart considers that governments routinely lie about who is leaking information, doing so for strategic advantage.
“And governments lie all the time about who's leaking information. They do it for a strategic advantage.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:41:14.3-00:41:19.2 opinion first hand
395
Ross Coulthart considers noble cause corruption to have occurred inside the legacy UFO retrieval programme, where people decided not to honour the terms of the United States Constitution and ignored the obligation to report to Congress.
“noble cause corruption happened because this is this is process corruption people inside the legacy program decided not to honor the terms of the constitution and to ignore the obligation to report to congress”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:41:36.0-00:41:48.2 opinion first hand
396
Ross Coulthart believes trillions of dollars have been spent on the legacy UFO retrieval programme without the knowledge or consent of the American taxpayer and with very little oversight from Congress.
“i believe trillions not billions trillions of dollars have been expended on this program without the knowledge of the consent of the american taxpayer and certainly with no oversight with very little oversight from congress”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:41:50.0-00:42:02.3 opinion first hand
397
Ross Coulthart considers that some of what Catherine Austin Fitts has said about missing United States government money has been misrepresented.
“there's been misrepresentation of some of the things that Catherine Austin Fitts for example, has said”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:42:13.3-00:42:16.8 opinion first hand
398
There are audit holes in United States government accounts meaning money cannot be accounted for, though officials know it has gone into a certain programme.
“there are... audit holes that mean they can't account for money sure but they know that it's gone into a certain program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:42:18.4-00:42:25.2 opinion first hand
399
David Grusch has explained in interviews, including with Ross Coulthart, that other programmes are used to conceal the legacy UFO retrieval programme.
“as David Grusch has explained in some of his interviews including with me they're using those programs to conceal this legacy program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:42:26.7-00:42:33.8 hearsay second hand
400
Ross Coulthart cannot say with certainty that the secret space program is real, but suspects there is something to it, and names it as the claim he has been unable to verify.
“The one thing I can't put my finger on and say categorically hand on heart, I believe is real, but I suspect there's something to it is the idea of a secret space program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:43:50.6-00:44:00.4 opinion first hand
401
Ross Coulthart had a conversation about the secret space program with a person he trusts who became very emotional.
“And there was a conversation I had with someone, who i trust who got very emotional”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:44:02.1-00:44:11.3 testimony first hand
402
Ross Coulthart did not know what to make of the account of a friend dying on the Moon given to him by a person claiming to be read in on the secret space program.
“I didn't know what to make of it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:44:22.9-00:44:24.0 opinion first hand
403
Ross Coulthart suspects that many of Corey Goode's claims, and other outlandish claims about the secret space program, are deliberate intelligence community disinformation intended to discredit the whole idea of a secret space program.
“A lot of the wacky claims about the secret space program, I suspect, are almost deliberate intelligence community disinformation to discredit the whole idea of a secret space program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:44:37.5-00:44:47.0 opinion first hand
404
Tom DeLonge has come closest to hinting that the United States is operating non-human craft that have been jury-rigged for use by human psionic operators.
“what, oddly enough, Tom DeLonge has come closest to hinting at, which is that are we operating non-human craft that we've somehow been able to jury-rig using human psionic operators?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:44:50.6-00:45:03.9 opinion second hand
405
Ross Coulthart's standard for corroborating a claim is hearing the same consistent account from two or three independent witnesses who do not know each other.
“normally when I corroborate something, I want to hear it from two or three independent witnesses who don't know each other. And I'm hearing the same consistent story.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:45:17.8-00:45:25.1 testimony first hand
406
Ross Coulthart is in no doubt whatsoever that the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program exists.
“I'm in no doubt whatsoever that that exists.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:45:44.4-00:45:46.0 opinion first hand
407
Ross Coulthart has not been able to confirm to his own satisfaction the qualitative nature of the secret space program.
“is the qualitative nature of what's called the secret space program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:45:56.6-00:46:00.2 testimony first hand
408
One of the alleged secret space program vessel names reported by Gary McKinnon is a vessel named after Roscoe Hillenkoetter.
“i love the fact that one of them is called the Hillencotter”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:18.7-00:46:20.6 hearsay second hand
409
Roscoe Hillenkoetter was the founding director of the CIA.
“Roscoe Hillencotter, of course, the founding director of the CIA.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:22.2-00:46:24.7 administrative
410
Roscoe Hillenkoetter was one of the biggest UFO disclosure activists of his time in the 1950s.
“was also one of the biggest UFO disclosure activists of his time in the 1950s.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:28.2-00:46:32.9 administrative
411
Ross Coulthart finds Gary McKinnon highly credible and does not consider him someone who is lying.
“I don't know what to make of Gary McKinnon other than the fact that I find him highly credible. He doesn't strike me as somebody who's lying.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:46:42.7-00:46:48.8 opinion first hand
412
An officially acknowledged separate astronaut training programme trained non-NASA astronauts for the United States Air Force, which Ross Coulthart believes was based in California at Edwards Air Force Base.
“there was in California, I think at Edwards Air Force Base, a separate astronaut program and they were in training they were being taught they were non-nasa astronauts they were U.S Air Force astronauts”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:47:07.0-00:47:20.7 testimony first hand
413
The separate United States Air Force astronaut training programme was officially shut down.
“now officially that was shut down”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:47:29.8-00:47:31.3 administrative
414
Ross Coulthart does not believe the separate United States Air Force astronaut programme was actually shut down, and thinks it went black.
“I don't think it was ... I think it went black.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:47:33.0-00:47:35.1 opinion first hand
415
Ross Coulthart suspects the classified continuation of the United States Air Force astronaut programme operates out of deep underground military bases in different parts of the continental United States.
“I suspect that they're operating out of deep underground military bases in different parts of the USA, continental USA.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:47:39.9-00:47:47.0 opinion first hand
416
Ross Coulthart suspects the classified astronaut programme he describes is linked to the United States Space Force.
“Chris Ramsay: Nothing to do with Space Force. Ross Coulthart: I suspect they are linked to Space Force.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:47:47.6-00:47:51.2 opinion first hand
417
Australia has started recruiting for its own equivalent of the United States Space Force.
“Australia has actually started recruiting for its own equivalent of Space Force.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:48:03.4-00:48:06.6 administrative
418
The Australian space force equivalent is ostensibly purely for data gathering, including monitoring space junk.
“ostensibly, that's for purely and simply data gathering, you know, monitoring space junk and all of that sort of stuff.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:48:08.8-00:48:15.1 administrative
419
Ross Coulthart does not know whether the classified astronaut programme he describes is part of the United States Space Force, but would be very surprised if the senior command of the Space Force was unaware of its existence.
“I don't know whether the program that I'm describing is part of Space Force or not. I would be very surprised if the senior command of Space Force was oblivious to its existence.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:48:22.1-00:48:33.4 opinion first hand
420
One person Ross Coulthart has spoken to from the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program claimed to be read in on the secret space program.
“Chris Ramsay: Were any of them sort of read in on these programs? Ross Coulthart: Yeah. ... Well, they claimed to be. ... Chris Ramsay: More than one? Ross Coulthart: No, just one.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:48:46.5-00:48:52.9 testimony second hand
421
A person who claimed to have been read in on the secret space program told Ross Coulthart that a friend of theirs had died on the Moon, and started crying while saying it.
“the conversation that I had with somebody who described a friend dying on the moon ... i had a friend that died in the moon they started crying”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:48:58.6-00:49:03.7 hearsay second hand
422
The person who told Ross Coulthart about a friend dying on the Moon would not say how the death occurred.
“Chris Ramsay: How did they die? Ross Coulthart: I don't know.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:49:03.4-00:49:04.9 testimony second hand
423
Ross Coulthart compares investigating the UFO story to walking blindfold through a room grabbing at objects as he goes.
“i sometimes feel in this whole story i'm walking through a room blindfold and i'm just grabbing stuff as i'm going through”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:49:19.5-00:49:25.2 opinion first hand
424
Ross Coulthart spent three and a half to four years nurturing the relationship with the source before that source would sit down and speak with him about a friend dying on the Moon.
“you know that conversation took three and a half four years ... to nurture to get that person to the point where they would sit down with me”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:49:38.7-00:49:47.0 testimony first hand
425
The source who told Ross Coulthart about a friend dying on the Moon would not communicate on any known communications system.
“they would not communicate on any known comms system”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:49:47.6-00:49:52.1 testimony first hand
426
Ross Coulthart's initial approach as a journalist was to ask what sort of people and scientists would be involved if a secret programme existed, and then to target scientists specifically.
“the way i i approached this as a journalist was to basically um ask myself if there was a program what sort of people would be in it and what sort of scientists would be involved in it and so i targeted particularly scientists”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:50:00.8-00:50:21.1 testimony first hand
427
Ross Coulthart wrote handwritten letters to targeted scientists and posted them, choosing a non-digital medium as being reasonably less trackable, and found the method phenomenally effective.
“wrote letters to them good old-fashioned handwritten letters and posted them with a stamp on an envelope knowing that that's non-digital so reasonably less trackable And that was phenomenally effective.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:50:22.3-00:50:35.9 testimony first hand
428
In a couple of cases Ross Coulthart dropped an unstamped letter directly into a target's letterbox to show he had been there in person, saying he was in town for a day and available to talk, and in a couple of those cases the person came and spoke to him.
“I literally went and dropped a letter in a letterbox without a stamp to make a point that I'd been there and told them that I was in town for a day or so. And if they wanted to, they could come and talk to me. And in a couple of cases, they did.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:50:38.0-00:50:51.9 testimony first hand
429
Ross Coulthart used those in-person letter drops to indicate that he was following tradecraft, which he regards as necessary to convince potential sources he is serious.
“it was because what I was doing was trying to indicate I was following tradecraft. ... That's what you've got to do to convince these people that you're serious.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:50:53.7-00:51:06.7 testimony first hand
430
Some people were so enthusiastic about speaking to Ross Coulthart that they contacted him on open communications such as Signal or WhatsApp, which he says are easy to obtain for him and which he would never use to communicate with his most sensitive sources despite their supposed encryption.
“they'd ring me on open comms like they'd contact me through something as wide open as Signal or WhatsApp because it's not hard to obtain my signal and even though those things are supposedly encrypted i would never use those to communicate with the most sensitive sources”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:51:21.8-00:51:37.4 testimony first hand
431
Ross Coulthart uses dead letter drops on the dark web, in-person meetings and postal communication to reach his most sensitive sources.
“i use dead letter drops on the dark web ... or in person or postal”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:51:39.7-00:51:43.5 testimony first hand
432
Ross Coulthart considers that a journalist working this subject has to operate like a spy.
“You've got to operate like a spy.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:51:55.8-00:51:57.6 opinion first hand
433
Ross Coulthart finds that sources approach him more readily now, which he attributes to his public profile from his role with News Nation making people feel familiar with him.
“it's easier now. ... Because I've got the News Nation role that I do. And I think that really helps because people know me. They feel familiar with me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:53:23.2-00:53:33.5 testimony first hand
434
Ross Coulthart holds a role with News Nation.
“Because I've got the News Nation role that I do.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:53:27.6-00:53:29.8 administrative first hand
435
In a bar in Georgetown, Washington DC, a person Ross Coulthart knew from another story, whom he would normally see in an extremely senior uniform, leaned across the table and told him the UFO subject was real.
“I met somebody in a Georgetown bar in Washington who was, normally I'd see them in uniform and the uniform they were wearing was extremely senior ... they leaned across the table to me and said, it's real, Roscoe.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:53:45.2-00:54:00.5 hearsay second hand
436
Ross Coulthart began his UFO investigation with a confirmation bias, intending to disprove what he then regarded as UFO nonsense.
“I was guilty of starting out with a conformational bias. I was doing what a journalist should not do. I'd started out thinking, being a smug little smart ass, I was going to disprove this UFO nonsense. I really did think it was nonsense.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:54:17.2-00:54:29.9 testimony first hand
437
Ross Coulthart describes the insiders speaking to him as patriots who are not angry about the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program but proud of it.
“These people are patriots. What they're angry about isn't the program. They're proud of the program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:54:41.6-00:54:50.4 opinion first hand
438
The insiders speaking to Ross Coulthart are excited about the technologies being worked on and discovered, want the public to know about them, and do not think there is any good reason for the information not to be revealed.
“They're really excited about the technologies that are being worked on and discovered. They want you, the world, the public to know about it. And they don't think there's any really good reason that it not be revealed to the public.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:54:51.9-00:55:04.9 hearsay second hand
439
Ross Coulthart holds that a non-human intelligence is indubitably engaging with planet Earth.
“The first issue is, is there a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet? The answer to that, indubitably, is yes.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:55:17.6-00:55:25.3 opinion first hand
440
People in the Pentagon and the intelligence community have told Ross Coulthart that revealing the existence of a non-human intelligence would force the revelation of the technology developed from recovered craft.
“I've spoken to people in the Pentagon and in the intelligence community, and they tell me, they think if you reveal the first, you're going to have to reveal the latter.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:55:44.3-00:55:53.2 hearsay second hand
441
Ross Coulthart considers the belief that revealing non-human intelligence forces revealing the derived technology to be the biggest impediment to any government admission.
“And I think that's the biggest impediment right now to any kind of government admission.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:55:54.4-00:55:58.8 opinion first hand
442
Officials fear that telling the public that alien spacecraft have been recovered, that a non-human intelligence is engaging with Earth, and that the public has been lied to for the last 80 years, would lead to a catastrophic rollout of what has been developed.
“they think that if they tell the public, yes, we've recovered alien spacecraft, yes, there really is non-human intelligence engaging with this planet, and we've been lying to you for the last 80 years, they think that that will lead to a catastrophic rollout of what we've got.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:56:00.3-00:56:15.9 hearsay second hand
443
Ross Coulthart identifies murders as one of the things that would have to be explained if the United States government admitted to the recovery of non-human craft.
“oh and the murders”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:56:21.1-00:56:21.4 opinion first hand
444
Ross Coulthart does not think there is going to be any kind of government admission about disclosure.
“I don't think there's going to be any kind of government admission about disclosure.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:57:20.6-00:57:26.1 opinion first hand
445
Ross Coulthart does not think Mark Christopher Lee is right about an imminent government disclosure.
“I don't think Mark Christopher Lee is right.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:57:26.6-00:57:28.8 opinion first hand
446
Nobody Ross Coulthart is speaking to is telling him there will be any kind of Donald Trump announcement on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) any time soon.
“I'm certainly not being told by anybody I'm speaking to that there's going to be any kind of Trump announcement anytime soon.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:57:29.1-00:57:34.8 testimony first hand
447
Ross Coulthart knows that Donald Trump has been told privately that there is a non-human intelligence, that craft have been recovered, and that a retrieval and reverse engineering programme is being run.
“I know Trump knows ... I don't think there is any intention at the moment by Donald Trump to tell the world what he's been told privately, which is that there is a non-human intelligence and that we have recovered craft and that we are doing a retrieval and reverse engineering program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:57:35.2-00:57:55.0 testimony first hand
448
It is public that Ross Coulthart has spoken to a son of Donald Trump, and there is interest within the Trump family in disclosure.
“it's public that I've spoken to his son, and I know that there is interest in the family in disclosure and seeing things coming out”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:57:38.7-00:57:45.1 testimony first hand
449
Ross Coulthart does not accept that revealing the existence of a non-human intelligence engaging with Earth inevitably leads to forced revelation of the weaponry and technology developed from it.
“I don't buy the idea that to reveal the existence of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet inevitably leads to the forced revelation of weaponry and technology that we've developed.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:58:03.7-00:58:16.7 opinion first hand
450
Ross Coulthart draws an analogy with the nuclear bomb, saying ordinary members of the public do not know how to make a thermonuclear bomb and never should.
“In the same way that when we developed the nuclear bomb, you and I don't know how to make a thermonuclear bomb and neither should we ever.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:58:17.6-00:58:24.4 opinion first hand
451
Ross Coulthart considers that if scalar weapons or particle beam weapons have been developed from recovered non-human technology, nobody should know that, given the danger of it reaching a terrorist group or a rival state.
“if it's true for example that we've developed scalar weapons or particle beam weapons as a result of recovered technology i don't think anyone should know that god help us if that gets into the hands of a terrorist group or our advise our rivals”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:58:25.6-00:58:38.6 opinion first hand
452
Ross Coulthart is in no doubt that Russia and China are equally in a race to develop the same technology after conducting their own retrievals of non-human craft.
“i can understand why we'd want to keep that confidential from Russia or China who are equally in a race to try and develop the same technology after doing their own retrievals i'm also in no doubt about that at all”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:58:39.6-00:58:50.9 opinion first hand
453
Ross Coulthart considers that the national security state has locked itself into an unreasonable position by convincing itself that revealing non-human intelligence requires revealing the derived technology.
“i think what they've done is they've locked themselves into a position that i think is unreasonable and they've convinced themselves that if they reveal one they have to reveal the other and i don't accept that one follows the other”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 00:58:57.7-00:59:10.7 opinion first hand
454
Psionics are used to lure, attract and invite non-human craft, and for an unclear reason the craft keep coming.
“what we do is we use psionics to lure them, to bring them, to attract them, to invite them. And for some obscure reason, they keep on coming.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:00:41.9-01:00:52.5 hearsay second hand
455
Ross Coulthart has asked people involved in retrievals of non-human craft what happened to the beings, and received only a squeamish, anguished look rather than an answer.
“I've asked people that have been involved in retrievals. I've asked them what happened to the beings. And I just get a squeamish look. ... They just don't want to answer the question. But it's the anguished look that they give me that concerns me most of all.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:01:52.2-01:02:14.7 testimony first hand
456
Ross Coulthart considers that those running the crash retrieval programme have rationalised themselves into a military group-think in which their actions are justified as giving a strategic advantage against foreign adversaries.
“that's the ethical quandaries behind what we've been doing on the rationale that what we're doing is giving ourselves a strategic advantage against our potential foreign adversaries. We've rationalized ourselves into a military group think that what we're doing is the right thing.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:02:20.1-01:02:35.2 opinion first hand
457
Jake Barber went public with Ross Coulthart in either 2025 or 2024.
“Jake Barber, who went public with me last year, year before last”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:02:42.2-01:02:45.2 administrative first hand
458
Jake Barber spoke openly about the overwhelming love he felt from the intelligence associated with the craft he was recovering.
“Jake talked openly about the love, the overwhelming love that he felt from whatever the intelligence was that was associated with the craft that he was recovering.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:02:46.5-01:02:57.5 hearsay second hand
459
Ross Coulthart considers Jake Barber's experience of the intelligence associated with a recovered craft to have been a life-changing, defining moment for him.
“It was life changing for him. And I don't think I'm speaking out of turn if I say that for Jake, that was a defining life moment. It changed his life.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:02:58.9-01:03:09.1 opinion first hand
460
Jake Barber decided to speak publicly, and has stuck to that decision, because he thinks the public has a right to know what he knows.
“He made a decision. and incredibly he's stuck to it, to speak publicly because he thinks the public has a right to know what he knows.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:03:10.1-01:03:19.0 hearsay second hand
461
The official position of the Pentagon remains that there is no evidence at all of extraterrestrial engagement with planet Earth.
“at the moment, the official position still of the Pentagon is we have no evidence at all of extraterrestrial engagement with planet Earth.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:03:45.8-01:03:55.6 administrative second hand
462
The Pentagon will not say that it has no evidence of non-human intelligence (NHI) engagement with planet Earth, only extraterrestrial engagement.
“And they won't say NHI engagement with planet Earth for some reason.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:03:56.8-01:04:00.4 observation first hand
463
Chris Sharp put to Susan Gough at the Pentagon that the term non-human intelligence (NHI) be used in substitution, and she would not allow it.
“iend Chris Sharp has put that to Susan Goff at the Pentagon, and she won't allow him to use NHI in substitution.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:04:01.7-01:04:08.4 testimony second hand
464
Ross Coulthart considers the Pentagon's wording on non-human intelligence to be a deliberately confected response giving officials room to say later that they never said extraterrestrial when public disclosure happens.
“they've very subtly confected a response that just giving them some wriggle room for when public disclosure does happen. They can say, well, no, we didn't say ET.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:04:12.1-01:04:23.4 opinion first hand
465
The best accounts of recovered bodies that Ross Coulthart has obtained from his sources describe some kind of android or biological constructed object rather than a naturally evolved being.
“the best I've got from people about the accounts of bodies that they've seen are that these are some kind of android, some kind of biological- ... They're constructed objects.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:04:35.6-01:04:48.0 hearsay second hand
466
Ross Coulthart draws a distinction between the objects shot down in recent years and those recovered by the United States in the 1940s and 1950s.
“there's a distinction between what we've been shooting down in more recent years and what we recovered right back in the 40s and the 50s.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:04:56.9-01:05:04.3 opinion first hand
467
Ross Coulthart believes the people close to the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme are reticent about discussing the beings because they are morally squeamish about making admissions.
“i think they're scared of talking about it because they're morally squeamish about making admissions about it”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:05:42.4-01:05:46.4 opinion first hand
468
Ross Coulthart has heard the allegation that there are non-human beings collaborating with humans but has not been able to substantiate it to his satisfaction, having only insufficient data points to draw a conclusion.
“is the allegation that there are beings that have been collaborating with humans ... I've only heard insufficient data points to make a conclusion.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:06:19.2-01:06:23.4 hearsay second hand
469
David Grusch's Department of Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) approval contained a line permitting him to speak about agreements.
“a line in his DOPSR, in his pre-publication security review approval, where he was approved to talk about agreements.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:06:45.0-01:06:54.7 observation second hand
470
Ross Coulthart believes agreements have been made between non-humans and humans, and that the United States government was involved.
“And I believe there are agreements that have been made between non-humans and humans. And I do think the US government was involved”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:07:38.7-01:07:47.2 opinion first hand
471
Ross Coulthart does not know whether any human-non-human agreement was concluded formally by a United States president or by an agency such as the CIA acting on behalf of the human race, and raises the ethics of the latter.
“whether it was done formally by a president or whether it was done by an agency of the United States like the CIA on behalf of the human race, imagine the ethics of that.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:07:48.5-01:07:58.1 opinion first hand
472
Ross Coulthart expects Russia, Britain, China and the rest of the world would react strongly if they learned the Americans concluded a deal with a non-human intelligence 60 to 70 years ago.
“Imagine how Russia, Britain, China, the rest of the world will feel if they learn that the Americans concluded a deal with a non-human intelligence 60, 70 years ago.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:08:00.6-01:08:13.4 opinion first hand
473
Chris Ramsay raised the possibility that any agreement between humans and non-human intelligence was made with the wrong non-human parties, and Ross Coulthart said he had heard the same story but does not know whether it is true.
“Chris Ramsay: And potentially with the wrong ones. Ross Coulthart: And potentially with the wrong ones. You've heard the same story. ... And I don't know if that's true”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:08:13.8-01:08:21.0 hearsay second hand
474
Ross Coulthart considers that a lot of disinformation is sprinkled into the UFO subject, naming Richard Doty as an example of someone who spreads falsehoods to sow discord inside the community.
“there's a lot of sprinkling of disinformation. There are the Richard Doty's who just love gaily spreading little droplets of falsity to try and sow discord inside the community.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:08:27.4-01:08:38.8 opinion first hand
475
Ross Coulthart considers the UFO community to be riven by infighting and criticism rather than acting as a concerted group pushing for disclosure.
“the UFO community itself is a sewer of snide barbs and rasping criticism. It needs to be a more concerted and unanimous group trying to sort of fight and push for information and disclosure, but it's doing its level best to stab each other in the back.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:08:40.3-01:08:56.8 opinion first hand
476
Ross Coulthart considers infighting in the UFO community to help the intelligence community and the Department of Defense maintain the line that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial engagement with Earth.
“that's what helps the intelligence community and the defense department to try and keep on pushing the line that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial engagement with this planet.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:09:00.0-01:09:09.2 opinion first hand
477
Grey aliens are almost unanimously the species described to Ross Coulthart by people close to the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“Obviously the greys. ... It's almost the unanimous.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:09:52.5-01:09:53.7 hearsay second hand
478
Both short and tall grey aliens have been described to Ross Coulthart by his sources.
“Chris Ramsay: Short greys or tall greys? Ross Coulthart: Short and tall.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:09:58.4-01:10:01.1 hearsay second hand
479
Eric Davis is a physicist who has asserted on the record that he was briefed by former United States president George H. W. Bush about mantis beings, reptilian beings and Nordic aliens.
“Dr. Eric Davis, a hugely respected physicist who is making an assertion that he has been briefed by a former president, Herbert Walker Bush, about... Mantillians. Reptilians. Nordics.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:10:07.1-01:10:20.8 hearsay second hand
480
Ross Coulthart cannot recall whether Eric Davis gave his account of the George H. W. Bush briefing under oath.
“I cant remember if he did it under oath or not.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:10:47.0-01:10:48.3 testimony first hand
481
David Grusch gave his congressional testimony on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena under oath.
“David Grusch did it under oath, you know,”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:11:01.4-01:11:03.2 administrative
482
Ross Coulthart considers the institutional legacy media glacially slow in beginning to address Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, and believes the subject is well past the probative basis for being taken seriously.
“At what point does the institutional legacy media go, oh, there might be a story here. This is the thing I just don't get is the glacial slowness with which the legacy media is even beginning to address this issue. ... we're way past the probative basis for taking this seriously now.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:11:05.3-01:11:29.0 opinion first hand
483
David Grusch is a former very senior United States intelligence officer.
“David Grusch, a former very senior intelligence officer, giving evidence under oath to Congress.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:08.1-01:12:14.2 administrative
484
Ross Coulthart knows multiple witnesses not yet known to the public or the media who have given evidence on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena to the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services.
“I know multiple witnesses who've not yet become known to the public, to the media, who've given evidence to the Senate Intelligence Committee, the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Hask.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:15.3-01:12:26.5 testimony first hand
485
Ross Coulthart is perplexed that congressional committees have not pursued the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena information given to them.
“i'm perplexed as to why these committees haven't developed more fangs to go and chase down the information that they've been given”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:34.0-01:12:42.1 opinion first hand
486
David Grusch gave the United States Congress times, dates, places, locations, names and specific door numbers of facilities to inspect.
“David Grusch has given them the times dates places locations names literally the door numbers go and open this door and have a look”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:42.9-01:12:51.6 testimony second hand
487
Ross Coulthart is confident David Grusch finds the lack of congressional follow-up frustrating.
“Yeah, I'm sure it is. I mean, I'm not speaking out of turn. I'm sure he's finding it as frustrating as we all are.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:12:54.8-01:13:00.2 opinion first hand
488
Ross Coulthart believes certain key United States senators, particularly majority leaders, have been taken aside and given privileged information about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, which has shut down congressional momentum.
“there's been an incredible power play behind the scenes where certain key senators in particular, majority leaders have been taken aside and discreetly spoken to. And they're just given enough privileged information because information is currency. ... What that's done is it's shut down Congress momentum.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:13:04.7-01:13:31.6 opinion first hand
489
Towards the end of the year before 2026-02-20, new Unidentified Aerial Phenomena disclosure laws appeared likely to pass.
“we were going really well towards the end of last year. It was looking like we were going to get disclosure laws, new disclosure laws that were absolutely essential.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:13:34.6-01:13:42.2 testimony first hand
490
Defence contractors who are not Department of Defense or intelligence community employees do not receive the whistleblower protections that exist under current United States law.
“there are contractors I'm talking to, people who are not defense department employees or intelligence community employees ... They don't get the protections, the whistleblower protections that exist under the current laws.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:13:42.9-01:13:57.7 testimony first hand
491
Ross Coulthart regards extending whistleblower protections to defence contractors as one of the most important parts of the proposed new United States disclosure legislation.
“One of, in my view, the most important parts of this new legislation was to extend those protections to contractors and make sure that contractors were given the same protection.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:13:59.3-01:14:08.0 opinion first hand
492
Ross Coulthart considers that employees of contractors such as Lockheed Martin need legal protection and a sanction against employers who punish them before they will come forward publicly.
“So if you're somebody working for, let's say, Northrop Grumman. Did I say Northrop Grumman? Lockheed Martin. If you want some of those people to come forward, you need to give them protections”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:14:08.5-01:14:23.6 opinion first hand
493
Ross Coulthart does not consider Jake Barber to have opted out of public disclosure efforts, but to have done all he can within the law.
“I don't think he's opted out at all. I think he's done all he can do within the law.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:15:23.6-01:15:28.5 opinion first hand
494
Jake Barber testified to the United States Congress at the instigation of Ross Coulthart and his colleagues, who filmed him going to Congress and giving his evidence.
“he's at our instigation we said to him would you testify would you be willing to testify to the congress and he said yeah sure so we filmed him going to the congress and giving of his evidence”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:15:32.9-01:15:42.4 testimony first hand
495
Jake Barber described to the United States Congress the details of the alleged friendly-fire incident involving a Unidentified Aerial Phenomena retrieval operation.
“he's described to them the details of for example the blue on blue incident that's been talked about”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:15:50.6-01:15:57.7 testimony second hand
496
Jake Barber told the United States Congress that he believes he and his special operations team were set up and were the subject of an attempt by a private corporation to murder them.
“He's talked about the incident where he believes he and his team, a special operations team, were set up. They believe that they were the subject of an attempt by a private corporation to murder them.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:15:58.9-01:16:11.9 testimony second hand
497
Ross Coulthart considers the members of the United States Congressional UAP Caucus to be doing the right thing in pushing for disclosure but not to be powerful figures in Congress.
“A lot of the key members of the UFO-UAP caucus, they're doing the right thing, pushing for disclosure, but they're not powerful people in the Congress.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:16:47.0-01:16:54.4 opinion first hand
498
Ross Coulthart believes congressional gatekeepers have made a calculated decision to sit on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena disclosure following heavy lobbying from the defence and intelligence community.
“at the moment, they've made a calculated decision based on, I think, a lot of lobbying from the defense and intelligence community to quietly sit down and quietly [inaudible]”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:17:02.7-01:17:12.2 opinion first hand
499
Ross Coulthart first became aware of David Grusch through people inside the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme, who told him Grusch was asking good questions and seemed well motivated.
“I became aware of David Grusch from people in the program. They said to me, you need to find out about this guy. ... He's asking good questions. He seems really well motivated.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:17:37.9-01:17:49.3 testimony second hand
500
Ross Coulthart rejects the suggestion that Jake Barber or David Grusch are part of a controlled disclosure effort.
“I don't buy the line that Jake or David are part of a controlled disclosure.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:05.9-01:18:10.8 opinion first hand
501
Ross Coulthart has no doubt that Jake Barber and David Grusch know more than they have publicly disclosed, particularly David Grusch.
“Chris Ramsay: They might know a lot more than they're letting them. Ross Coulthart: Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm in doubt about that. ... No, and I think particularly David.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:20.8-01:18:24.8 opinion first hand
502
While checking David Grusch's background, Ross Coulthart found sources unrelated to Grusch who were in awe of him.
“I'm privy to information from sources unrelated to David. When I was checking David out... There were people who were in awe of David Grusch.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:34.7-01:18:43.7 testimony first hand
503
David Grusch carried the presidential daily brief and secret documents to the White House by train, escorted by a colleague.
“David was carrying the presidential daily brief and secret documents to the White House on a train with a colleague escorting him.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:18:48.3-01:18:57.6 testimony second hand
504
David Grusch had knowledge of over 2,000 special access programmes, up to and including waived unacknowledged special access programmes.
“He had knowledge of, I think over 2000 special access programs right up to WUSAPs.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:01.8-01:19:05.8 testimony first hand
505
David Grusch was one of the most highly cleared people in the United States Department of Defense for secrets.
“He was one of the most highly cleared people in the defense department for secrets.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:07.1-01:19:11.2 testimony first hand
506
While working with the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, David Grusch realised there was a parallel programme that had been kept secret from him despite his clearances, which astonished him.
“When you look at how he came to the realization, working with the UAP task force, that there was this parallel program that had been keep it secret from him, it blew him away. He had the, not the conceit, but he had the strong belief that he'd know about it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:17.8-01:19:40.2 testimony second hand
507
David Grusch asked friends in the cafeteria at the Pentagon what they knew about the claim of a legacy programme involving UFOs, and their responses led him to conclude it was real.
“when he asked friends of his, literally in the cafeteria at the Pentagon, what do you know about this claim about legacy program involving UFOs? And people sort of gave him a bit of a nudge. And then he realized it was real.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:19:46.4-01:20:00.2 testimony second hand
508
Ross Coulthart met a former very senior NASA official who also held a senior executive role in the United States Department of Defense and who told him that, if the legacy UFO programme is real, he knows nothing about it.
“one of the people that I've met in the course of my investigations is a former very senior official at NASA. ... they agreed to speak to me and they said, look, Ross, if this is true, I promise you, I do not know anything about this.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:20:07.8-01:20:25.7 testimony second hand
509
Ross Coulthart became aware that the person three levels below a former very senior NASA official was the gatekeeper for the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“i became aware of the fact that the person three rungs down from him in NASA was the gatekeeper for the legacy program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:20:55.2-01:21:06.8 hearsay second hand
510
The NASA figure Ross Coulthart identifies as the gatekeeper for the legacy UFO programme was in charge of a lunar reconnaissance mission, which Coulthart considers significant in relation to anomalies on the Moon.
“this was a person who was in charge of a lunar reconnaissance mission that's incredibly significant in terms of anomalies on the moon”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:21:14.0-01:21:22.2 hearsay second hand
511
Ross Coulthart considers the compartmentalisation of the legacy UFO programme so effective that a person almost at the apex of an organisation can be completely unaware of the secret programme within it.
“what freaked me out was the realization that this is so controlled and so clever that you can have the person who's almost at the apex of the entity completely oblivious and unaware of the fact that there is the secret program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:21:25.6-01:21:45.3 opinion first hand
512
Ross Coulthart believes the secret programme within NASA is hiding from the public what NASA has seen over the years, obscuring photographs and hiding data.
“that's, I believe, very strongly hiding from the public knowledge of things that NASA has seen over the years and obscuring photographs and hiding data.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:21:46.6-01:21:57.5 opinion first hand
513
Ross Coulthart believes thousands of people are now read in to the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“There would have to be thousands now who are read in.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:22:15.5-01:22:17.8 opinion first hand
514
Ross Coulthart regards the Manhattan Project as a counter-example to the argument that a large secret programme could not be kept secret.
“For the people who say that it couldn't possibly be kept secret, the Manhattan Project is a perfect example.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:22:27.1-01:22:31.8 opinion first hand
515
Klaus Fuchs was the Russian spy who penetrated the Manhattan Project, and without him the project might have stayed secret from the Soviets for longer.
“Were it not for Klaus Fuchs, who was the Russian spy who penetrated the Manhattan Project, It might have stayed secret for a lot longer from the Soviets.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:22:32.8-01:22:41.4 administrative
516
Ross Coulthart judges the level of surveillance in the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme to be extreme, based on the communication techniques his sources require him to use.
“I can tell you the level of surveillance in the legacy program is just insane. ... Because of the measures that my sources require me to go to, the techniques that I have to use in order to communicate with them.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:22:48.2-01:23:01.4 testimony first hand
517
Ross Coulthart has never caught anyone surveilling him or listening in on his communications.
“Chris Ramsay: Have you ever caught them sort of listening in on you? ... Ross Coulthart: No, no, no.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:23:01.9-01:23:05.7 testimony first hand
518
Ross Coulthart's sources inside the legacy UFO programme feel that the secrecy has subsumed the original reason for it, so that the secrecy itself has become paramount.
“what they feel is that this is a program where the reason for the secrecy they think has subsumed everything else it's like it doesn't really matter anymore what the reason is the secrecy is paramount”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:23:31.6-01:23:47.8 hearsay second hand
519
Ross Coulthart's perception is that there is no longer any good reason why the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme cannot be revealed, and that those running it have locked themselves into secrecy because lying is easier.
“There is no good bloody reason why this can't be revealed anymore. ... They've just locked themselves into a secrecy. It's easier to lie and keep it secret.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:24:03.2-01:24:11.1 opinion first hand
520
Ross Coulthart was the first to suggest applying a truth and reconciliation style amnesty process to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secrecy issue.
“well i i think i was the first to suggest this”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:24:24.8-01:24:26.9 opinion first hand
521
Ross Coulthart covered the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission as a journalist.
“i was privy as a journalist to covering the south african truth and reconciliation commission”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:24:28.9-01:24:32.8 testimony first hand
522
F. W. de Klerk, president of South Africa at the time, ordered the establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
“de Klerk, the president at the time, ordered a Truth and Reconciliation Commission”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:24:55.4-01:25:00.3 testimony first hand
523
F. W. de Klerk handed power over to Nelson Mandela, who was brought in as president of South Africa.
“handed a power over to Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela was brought in as president.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:25:01.5-01:25:06.2 testimony first hand
524
Ross Coulthart witnessed a South African secret service agent, who had been involved in killing members of the South West Africa People's Organisation (SWAPO), describe his crimes before the family of a man he had beaten to death in prison.
“I watched a boss secret service agent a former guy who'd been involved in killing members of SWAPO ... i watched an incredible moment where the family of the man who'd been killed by this guy beaten to death in prison listened as this guy talked about what he'd done”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:25:09.4-01:25:33.9 observation first hand
525
The South African apartheid state categorised the South West Africa People's Organisation (SWAPO) as a terrorist organisation.
“members of SWAPO uh the um anti-apartheid group what they categorized as a terrorist organization”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:25:15.7-01:25:22.5 testimony first hand
526
Under the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission a perpetrator who gave a full and candid confession was exonerated and could not be prosecuted by the state.
“if he gave a full and candid confession of what he'd done, he was exonerated. There's nothing the state could do to him.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:25:37.4-01:25:43.1 testimony first hand
527
Ross Coulthart believes the confession-for-amnesty process of the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission was far more healing than imprisoning the perpetrator for 20 or 30 years.
“And I strongly believe that was far more healing ... than putting the guy in prison for 20 or 30 years.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:25:44.7-01:25:50.8 opinion first hand
528
The family of the man killed by the South African secret service agent told Ross Coulthart that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission confession was more healing than a prison sentence would have been.
“And that's certainly what the family told me of the man who was killed”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:25:50.0-01:25:52.3 hearsay second hand
529
In the apartheid-era South African conflict there were killers on both sides, with black people killing white people and white people killing black people.
“it was killers on both sides ... you had black killing white, white killing black.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:26:04.8-01:26:10.9 testimony first hand
530
Ross Coulthart considers the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission to have been curative and restorative for South Africa.
“But it was curative. It was a restorative thing for that country.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:26:15.6-01:26:19.8 opinion first hand
531
Ross Coulthart agrees that some people connected to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secret have been killed.
“Chris Ramsay: they're going to get a bullet to the back of the head. Ross Coulthart: yeah well i mean some of them have”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:26:29.5-01:26:33.4 opinion first hand
532
Ross Coulthart considers that the United States Congress has dropped the ball on the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena issue and is who the public should be angry with.
“this is what really angers me because congress has dropped the ball and this is who we should be angry with”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:26:37.6-01:26:42.5 opinion first hand
533
Ross Coulthart does not think the current United States administration will get away with trying to bury the Jeffrey Epstein story.
“i don't think the current administration is going to get away with trying to bury the Epstein story”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:26:48.5-01:26:53.8 opinion first hand
534
Ross Coulthart compares the building public outrage over the Jeffrey Epstein case to the public outrage that sparked the Church Committee investigation into the abuses of the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1970s.
“it's very like the impetus that built the public outrage that sparked the Church commission into the CIA's abuses in the 1970s”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:27:14.5-01:27:20.6 opinion first hand
535
Ross Coulthart hopes momentum for the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena issue can be generated as part of a broader investigation arising from the Jeffrey Epstein case and the idea of a deep state.
“What I'm wondering is whether we can get momentum for the UAP issue out of that as well, as part of a broader investigation”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:27:23.1-01:27:30.5 opinion first hand
536
Ross Coulthart formerly dismissed the idea of a deep state as paranoid right-wing nonsense but no longer does.
“the whole idea of a deep state, which I never used to believe in. I used to think that was paranoid right-wing nonsense.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:27:38.5-01:27:43.6 opinion first hand
537
Ross Coulthart grew up in Australia and New Zealand revering the United States as the leader of the free world and a country living democratic ideals.
“We looked in Australia and New Zealand when I was a kid with awe at America as the leader of the free world”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:28:21.1-01:28:27.3 testimony first hand
538
Ross Coulthart studied the United States Constitution while at law school.
“And in law school, we studied the US Constitution and it enshrined these rights”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:28:31.6-01:28:35.4 testimony first hand
539
Ross Coulthart considers that the democratic ideals enshrined in the United States Constitution have been squandered and exist in name only rather than being practised.
“those ideals have been squandered ... They're not really being practiced.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:28:53.1-01:28:55.9 opinion first hand
540
Ross Coulthart considers that a group of people connected to the Jeffrey Epstein case are being protected by people in power, and that the government is misusing its legal authority to stop further investigation of them.
“there really is a group of people who are being protected, frankly, by people in power. The government is misusing its authority, its legal power to stop further investigation”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:29:10.1-01:29:20.2 opinion first hand
541
Ross Coulthart considers that at the heart of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secrecy issue is a constitutional crisis in the United States.
“What we've got here at the heart of our issues is a constitutional crisis.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:29:45.3-01:29:49.9 opinion first hand
542
The Washington Post, about 50 years before 2026, propelled public awareness of alleged crimes committed by people close to the United States president in the Watergate revelations.
“50 years ago, A newspaper, The Washington Post, pretty much single-handedly propelled public awareness about alleged crimes committed by people close to the president. You know, the extraordinary revelations of Watergate.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:29:56.1-01:30:15.1 testimony first hand
543
The Watergate scandal involved a United States president in a cover-up and the ordering of break-ins to obtain damaging material on the Democrats.
“And the involvement of a president in a cover-up, ordering break-ins into psychiatrists' offices in the Watergate complex to get dirt on the Democrats.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:30:16.8-01:30:24.3 testimony first hand
544
The Watergate scandal led to reforms instigating oversight protections in the United States Constitution and in the United States Congress.
“it led to reforms that instigated oversight protections in the Constitution and in the Congress”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:30:27.4-01:30:34.2 testimony first hand
545
Ross Coulthart considers that throughout the Watergate era and the subsequent oversight reforms the one secret that United States authorities continued to sit on and protect was the Unidentified Flying Object secret.
“all through that time, the one secret that they sat on, that they protected, was the UFO secret, the UAP secret.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:30:45.0-01:30:52.4 opinion first hand
546
Ross Coulthart believes people have been murdered, intimidated, bullied and threatened to protect the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secret.
“And if, and I believe it is, it's true that people have been murdered to protect these secrets, intimidated, bullied, threatened, their lives destroyed”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:30:53.4-01:31:03.2 opinion first hand
547
Ross Coulthart believes people connected to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena secret have been beaten, had their jobs taken away and had their security clearances stripped without good reason.
“people basically beaten, hurt, their jobs taken away from them, their security clearance is stripped for no good reason”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:31:05.5-01:31:12.5 opinion first hand
548
Ross Coulthart considers Allen Dulles and James Jesus Angleton to have done totally illegal things while running the Central Intelligence Agency, including misleading presidents and withholding information from elected authorities.
“the fact that Allen Dulles and James Jesus Angleton did what I think were totally illegal things when they were running the CIA, and withheld, misled presidents, withheld information from elected authorities”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:32:17.1-01:32:33.4 opinion first hand
549
John F. Kennedy became angry at the Central Intelligence Agency and decided he wanted to break the organisation into a thousand pieces.
“which led John F. Kennedy to decide he wanted to blow the organization into a thousand pieces. He was really angry about it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:32:38.6-01:32:45.0 testimony first hand
550
Ross Coulthart does not believe John F. Kennedy was killed by a lone assassin and considers the evidence for a conspiracy overwhelming.
“And I don't believe President Kennedy was killed by a lone assassin. I think there was a conspiracy and the evidence is overwhelming of that.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:32:45.7-01:32:53.9 opinion first hand
551
Ross Coulthart considers the assassination of John F. Kennedy to have been a plot by individuals within and outside the Central Intelligence Agency, including Cuban emigres and Allen Dulles, rather than a plot by the Central Intelligence Agency as an institution.
“It wasn't a plot by the CIA. It was a plot by individuals within and without the CIA. Cuban emigres, Allen Dulles.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:33:10.9-01:33:17.4 opinion first hand
552
Ross Coulthart considers the assassination of John F. Kennedy integrally connected to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena subject.
“that that is integrally connected to the UAP.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:33:19.8-01:33:23.1 opinion first hand
553
Geoff Cruickshank, an Australian associate of Ross Coulthart, believes the Majestic 12 (MJ-12) documents are almost certainly genuine.
“I was reading the latest article by Geoff Cruickshank, my Australian friend, who believes that the MJ-12 documents are almost certainly real.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:33:34.0-01:33:42.1 hearsay second hand
554
Geoff Cruickshank's most recent analysis compared the handwriting of Harry S. Truman with handwriting attributed to Truman in the Majestic 12 (MJ-12) documents and found it clearly identical.
“what he's looked at in his most recent analysis is handwriting of President Truman with handwriting of Truman allegedly in the MJ-12 documents. And it's clearly identical.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:33:46.0-01:33:57.6 hearsay second hand
555
The Majestic 12 (MJ-12) documents refer to matters that were not publicly known when the documents appeared and that Ross Coulthart believes were only released in 2023.
“it refers to things that weren't known about at the time that the MJ-12 documents appeared that were only released, I think, in 2023.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:34:01.4-01:34:10.0 hearsay second hand
556
The Majestic 12 (MJ-12) documents describe a government conspiracy and a cabal protecting the secrets of the Unidentified Flying Object mystery for the benefit of a certain group of people in the United States.
“the so-called MJ-12 documents, which suggest a government conspiracy, a cabal of people that are trying to protect the secrets of the UFO mystery for the benefit of a certain group of people in the United States”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:34:19.4-01:34:33.2 testimony second hand
557
Ross Coulthart considers that the concealment of Unidentified Flying Object information may have been done as noble cause corruption by a few people protecting an executive order signed in 1947 or the 1950s.
“even if that's being done as a kind of noble cause, process corruption in the interests of the state by a few people who are doing it to protect maybe an executive order that was signed right back in 1947 or in the 1950s”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:34:35.4-01:34:50.2 opinion first hand
558
Ross Coulthart considers it unacceptable that United States presidents Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were not able to be briefed on Unidentified Flying Object information while serving as commander in chief.
“it just doesn't wash in this day and age that you could have a situation where Clinton or Obama Ford or Carter weren't able to be briefed on that information and they were making decisions as the person nominally in charge of the defense forces of America, nominally the commander in chief.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:34:52.4-01:35:15.7 opinion first hand
559
United States presidents made integral decisions about the deployment of strategic military and intelligence resources without being told about Unidentified Flying Object information.
“And they were making integral decisions about the deployment of strategic resources of the military and the intelligence community.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:35:20.0-01:35:27.6 opinion first hand
560
Ross Coulthart considers Donald Trump the only current United States president with the nerve and impetuousness to announce the existence of an agreement with non-human intelligence.
“I think it's Trump that's got the balls to do it. ... I don't think any other president would have the cajones or the impetuousness to decide to do it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:35:44.8-01:35:53.2 opinion first hand
561
Ross Coulthart considers that Lara Trump is repeating stories she has heard rather than reporting confirmed knowledge of a Donald Trump disclosure plan.
“Well, she's hearing stories.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:36:12.4-01:36:13.8 opinion first hand
562
Ross Coulthart is overwhelmed by the number of people wanting to engage and talk with him about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena issue.
“I'm just overwhelmed by people wanting to engage and talk about the UAP issue.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:37:01.4-01:37:06.2 testimony first hand
563
Ross Coulthart cannot take some of the wilder claims circulating in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena field seriously.
“There are some of these wilder claims that I just can't take seriously.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:37:25.5-01:37:29.0 opinion first hand
564
Ross Coulthart considers witness evidence to be evidence, and the best evidence, tested in court by cross-examination.
“and witness evidence is evidence ... the best evidence and what we do in court is we test that evidence by cross-examination”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:38:16.9-01:38:21.9 opinion first hand
565
Ross Coulthart speaks regularly with people who describe themselves as first-hand witnesses to encounters with non-human beings, in some cases reptilian beings.
“So I talk all the time to people who are first-hand witnesses who say they've had experiences with beings. ... sometimes they're reptilian”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:38:28.7-01:38:37.6 testimony first hand
566
Until about five years before 2026 Ross Coulthart used to laugh at accounts of encounters with non-human beings.
“probably up until five years ago, I used to giggle at them.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:38:40.7-01:38:43.5 testimony first hand
567
Ross Coulthart, like John Mack, is wrestling with the abduction phenomenon, which he prefers to describe more neutrally as the experience phenomenon in which people claim to have been taken somewhere.
“like John Mack did, the abduction phenomenon, or let's call it more neutrally, the experience of phenomenon where people claim to have moments where they have been taken somewhere.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:39:15.3-01:39:28.4 opinion first hand
568
Some reported episodes of being taken by non-human beings appear to be voluntary on the part of the experiencer.
“Sometimes it seems to be voluntary.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:39:29.8-01:39:30.8 opinion first hand
569
Ross Coulthart considers consciousness, rather than the nuts-and-bolts question of craft and aliens, to be the real mystery of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena subject.
“the real mystery is consciousness ... i don't really care anymore about the nuts and bolts claim of craft aliens it's kind of like tangential to me”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:40:00.6-01:40:09.5 opinion first hand
570
Multiple people have independently described to Ross Coulthart receiving downloads, including creative inspiration for art and music and scientific ideas arriving as schematics and diagrams in their heads which they then write down.
“either creative downloads they're inspired to write beautiful art or to do beautiful art or write beautiful music or scientific ideas literally schematics diagrams come into their heads and they write them down and i've had this described to me by multiple people multiple occasions”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:40:36.2-01:40:56.0 hearsay second hand
571
About 18 months to two years before 2026, after Ross Coulthart casually mentioned blue humanoid beings, his inbox filled with messages from people all over the world describing their engagement with such beings.
“in a period of time about 18 months two years ago a lot of people started responding to me when i just casually mentioned blue guys ... my inbox just completely filled up all over the world people were writing to me about their engagement with the blue guys”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:40:57.7-01:41:11.6 testimony first hand
572
A man from a European country told Ross Coulthart that in a liminal state between dreaming and waking a blue being spoke to him, after which he sat in his living room seeing hieroglyphic-looking images which he photographed.
“there was a guy contacted me from a european country and he had had a dream semi-dream in that liminal moment between dreaming and waking where there's a blue being talking to him and then he's sitting in his living room and he's seeing what looked like hieroglyphic images and he's photographing them”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:41:32.8-01:41:54.2 hearsay second hand
573
Ross Coulthart sent the photographs of hieroglyphic-looking images supplied by a European correspondent to a contact associated with the National Security Agency (NSA).
“And I sent them to somebody I know who's associated with the National Security Agency, the NSA.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:41:58.1-01:42:05.5 testimony first hand
574
A contact of Ross Coulthart associated with the National Security Agency said the hieroglyphic-looking images photographed by a European correspondent resembled ancient Sumerian symbology, and could not translate much of it.
“And he said it was like Sumerian. ... And like ancient Sumerian symbology. And he couldn't translate a lot of it. A lot of it didn't make sense.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:42:06.9-01:42:20.0 hearsay second hand
575
Ross Coulthart considers that something appears to be engaging with the consciousness of at least some humans and trying to communicate.
“there seems to be something engaging with human consciousness, or at least the consciousness of some humans. trying to communicate.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:42:25.0-01:42:31.5 opinion first hand
576
Many of the people contacting Ross Coulthart described benevolent blue beings that were often humanoid but taller than humans.
“a lot of them were these supposedly benevolent blue beings, often humanoid, but taller.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:42:37.4-01:42:44.5 hearsay second hand
577
Many of the people who contacted Ross Coulthart about blue humanoid beings hoped he would interview them on camera.
“a lot of them contacted me hoping that i would put them on camera and interview them”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:43:03.8-01:43:07.4 testimony first hand
578
Ross Coulthart is wrestling as a journalist with the point at which to give credibility to consistent witness statements of apparently first-hand encounters with a non-human intelligence, often in a semi-dream state that appears real to the witness.
“at what point do i start giving credibility to the idea that there are people giving consistent witness statements of what appear to be first-hand encounters with a phenomenon that appears to be a non-human intelligence that is engaging with them often in a semi-dream state, but which appears to them to be real.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:43:13.7-01:43:37.3 opinion first hand
579
The Slide Nine briefing document was prepared for a United States undersecretary of defense and consisted of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) briefing the United States Department of Defense on what had been learned about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon.
“we know from what's called Slide Nine, which I wrote about in my book, this briefing document that was prepared for an undersecretary of defense, which essentially was the UAP task force or ORSAP briefing the defense department about what they'd learned about the phenomenon.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:44:41.5-01:44:58.0 testimony second hand
580
The Slide Nine briefing document told the United States Department of Defense that the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon has the capacity to manipulate human perception, described in the document with wording such as cognitive inputs.
“was that whatever it is, it has the capacity to manipulate human perception. I think they use something like cognitive inputs or something like that.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:45:01.9-01:45:10.8 testimony second hand
581
A senior Australian government minister, described by Ross Coulthart as at secretary-plus level in the administration, contacted Ross Coulthart unsolicited after seeing a story Ross Coulthart had broadcast on Australian television, having obtained his telephone number through a favour.
“I spoke to a very senior Australian politician who contacted me out of the blue. He'd seen a story that I'd done on Australian TV... that had to get my phone number off somebody and pull a favor.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:45:22.4-01:45:38.8 testimony first hand
582
An anonymous source described by Ross Coulthart as a very senior Australian government minister said he would deny the conversation ever happened if Ross Coulthart named him.
“he said, Ross, I would deny I had this conversation if you ever named me, but I want you to know what happened to me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:45:44.6-01:45:50.5 hearsay second hand
583
An anonymous source claiming to be a very senior minister of the Australian government insisted to Ross Coulthart that the elliptical metal disc he saw over a Sydney square was real, that he had not been hallucinating and had not been drinking.
“he's adamant it was real. He says, I wasn't hallucinating, I hadn't been drinking, I hadn't been out for lunch.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:46:24.2-01:46:29.0 hearsay second hand
584
An anonymous source claiming to be a very senior minister of the Australian government told Ross Coulthart that while standing on steps in Sydney waiting for his ministerial car, with his press secretary and bodyguards beside him, he looked up and saw a gigantic elliptical metal disc hovering over the public square.
“He looks up and he sees a gigantic spherical, not spherical, elliptical metal disc hovering over the square.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:46:29.8-01:46:37.9 hearsay second hand
585
An anonymous source claiming to be a very senior minister of the Australian government told Ross Coulthart that his press secretary, standing beside him, appeared perplexed and could not see the elliptical metal disc hovering over the Sydney square.
“he's looking at his press secretary who's looking up perplexed as well and he can see that he's looking at something but he can't see what he's seeing.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:46:40.2-01:46:45.7 hearsay second hand
586
An anonymous source claiming to be a very senior minister of the Australian government told Ross Coulthart he could not say for certain the object over the Sydney square was physically there, but that it wanted him to know it was real.
“he said, I can't say for sure that it was there, but it wanted me to know that it was real. And he said, why would it do that?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:46:57.8-01:47:08.6 hearsay second hand
587
Ross Coulthart withholds the role played by his senior Australian government source in order to protect that person's identity.
“I'm at a disadvantage in the sense that to protect this person, I can't reveal the role they were playing.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:47:10.8-01:47:15.3 testimony first hand
588
Ross Coulthart considers the Sydney sighting by a senior Australian political figure to be a case of a non-human intelligence manipulating that person's perception and presenting itself in a way other people nearby could not perceive.
“Their perception was being manipulated in some way by what appears to have been a non-human intelligence representing itself to them in a way that could not be perceived by other people.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:47:28.2-01:47:39.1 opinion first hand
589
Ross Coulthart is wary of asserting that witnesses see physical craft or beings, because a phenomenology may be capable of presenting itself in any form it chooses.
“that's why I'm often wary of even saying that when we see craft or even beings... I wonder whether there's a phenomenology that's capable of presenting itself in any way or whatever way.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:47:40.3-01:47:52.8 opinion first hand
590
Ross Coulthart is in contact with people who say they have been visited in their homes by mantis beings.
“I'm talking to people who, um, who say that they have been visited by mantid beings.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:47:58.6-01:48:05.3 testimony first hand
591
Ross Coulthart says that five or six years before 2026 he would have dismissed people reporting mantis-being visits as completely crazy, but he now believes they genuinely perceived mantis beings in their homes and detects no guile in their accounts.
“I'll freely admit five, six years ago, I would have laughed them out of turn and gone. They're completely crazy people... I believe that they have had what they perceived as mantid beings in their home. And there is not a trace of guile in the way that they are telling me this story.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:48:06.6-01:48:28.5 opinion first hand
592
People reporting encounters with mantis beings have told Ross Coulthart that those beings instructed them to make contact with him.
“what's interesting is those mantid beings are telling them to engage with me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:48:29.2-01:48:37.3 hearsay second hand
593
Ross Coulthart describes himself as just a journalist following a story, and considers it convenient that the rest of the media are not pursuing the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject, as very few people are currently chasing it.
“i don't think i'm important i'm just a journalist i really truly believe all i'm doing is following an absolute ball terror of a story and frankly it suits me that the rest of the media don't chase this up because at the moment very few people are running around chasing it”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:48:44.6-01:49:00.4 opinion first hand
594
Ross Coulthart considers it impossible to rule out that all reported Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) manifestations are a single phenomenon representing itself in different ways.
“what intrigues me is you can't rule out the possibility that what this all is is the one phenomenon representing itself in different ways.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:49:05.5-01:49:15.2 opinion first hand
595
Ross Coulthart considers that if non-human beings can induce feelings of love and calm in people, the widespread default assumption that these beings are benevolent may simply be the result of those beings manipulating humans.
“the really interesting thing about that is if they can do that A lot of people automatically default to the idea that these are loving beings... It could be that they're just manipulating us.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:50:09.2-01:50:19.6 opinion first hand
596
Ross Coulthart is frustrated by people who criticise those who describe the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon as a threat, holding that from a military or counterintelligence standpoint something not understood is by definition a threat.
“I get very frustrated with people who decry the people who say that there's a threat here. Because if you're a military person or an intelligence, counterintelligence person, By definition, what we're talking about here is a threat. Because we don't understand it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:50:27.1-01:50:43.9 opinion first hand
597
Ross Coulthart holds that the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon is not necessarily evil or malevolent but is capable of being so, and that its ability to manipulate human perception carries the implication that a world leader could be manipulated into feeling differently about a decision.
“it's not that it's evil or malevolent, but it's capable of being evil or malevolent... Imagine if a world leader could be manipulated to feel differently about a decision.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:50:45.3-01:50:56.1 opinion first hand
598
Ross Coulthart agrees that humanity is not the apex intelligence.
“Chris Ramsay: I'm very resigned to the idea that I'm not the apex here. Ross Coulthart: I certainly know we're not.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:51:10.0-01:51:16.1 opinion first hand
599
Ross Coulthart does not think Patrick Jackson has the whole story right about a sphere, but says people speaking to him from inside relevant programmes indicate much of what Patrick Jackson describes is on the right path.
“if you look at for example what our friend Patrick Jackson has talked about this kind of sphere i don't think Patrick's got the whole story right yeah but i do think that and a lot of people are telling me internally that a lot of what Patrick is talking about is actually hitting the right path.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:51:37.1-01:51:52.3 opinion first hand
600
The 1977 Colares Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) attacks in Brazil involved phenomena in which people were killed and mutilated, in some cases with their genitals cut off.
“Certainly, Colares, Brazil, describes phenomena where people were killed. They were mutilated. Their genitals were cut off in some cases.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:51:58.0-01:52:06.6 testimony
601
Ross Coulthart considers cattle mutilation evidence that the phenomenon is not friendly.
“The cattle mutilation stuff, that doesn't seem very friendly. It's not very nice to go around murdering cattle.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:52:09.2-01:52:13.7 opinion first hand
602
A woman in her late 80s told Ross Coulthart that a doctor found her body carried the classic signs of having carried a baby, although she had no memory of ever being pregnant and there was no longer any evidence of a child.
“there's a lady I'm talking to, she's in her 80s, her late 80s... she actually went to a doctor and discovered that she'd been pregnant, but she had no memory of ever being pregnant, but her body had the classic signs of somebody who'd carried a baby. And yet there was no evidence of that anymore.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:52:19.5-01:52:46.3 hearsay second hand
603
A woman in her late 80s told Ross Coulthart that she has been in contact with benevolent beings who showed her what is planned for the foetus taken from her body.
“she tells me this incredible story about how she's been in touch with what she says are benevolent beings that have shown her what's planned for the fetus that they took from her body.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:52:48.5-01:53:00.3 hearsay second hand
604
Ross Coulthart has been told the same account of a missing pregnancy following contact with non-human beings by five or six different people.
“Do we, after five or six people have told me the same thing, start giving it like John Mack did, a degree of credibility?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:53:12.4-01:53:18.9 testimony first hand
605
John Mack granted a degree of credibility to abduction accounts once multiple witnesses reported the same experience.
“start giving it like John Mack did, a degree of credibility?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:53:15.6-01:53:18.9 opinion first hand
606
Ross Coulthart has recently begun investigating the alien abduction phenomenon cautiously, and admits to being somewhat afraid of the subject as a journalist because many people drawn to it are mentally ill and make dramatic claims.
“That's where I'm sort of wrestling with at the moment, with the abduction phenomenon, because I've started going very gently down that rabbit hole. And I freely admit, as a journalist, I'm a bit scared of it, because there are so many people who are, with no disrespect to them, mentally ill, who are drawn to this subject matter. who make dramatic claims.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:53:20.4-01:53:43.2 opinion first hand
607
Ross Coulthart says he can often identify mentally unstable correspondents because they write in capital letters or put twenty stamps on the letters they post to him.
“A lot of the time I can pick them because they write in capitals or they put 20 stamps on the letter when they post it to me. There's signs of mental instability.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:53:45.4-01:53:54.2 opinion first hand
608
Ross Coulthart holds that many people reporting contact experiences are highly credible, intelligent professional people who have had an experience they cannot explain and strongly believe involved a non-human intelligence.
“a lot of these people are highly credible, intelligent, professional people who just happen to have an experience that they can't explain, that involves them very strongly believing that they've been in touch with a non-human intelligence.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:53:55.9-01:54:13.7 opinion first hand
609
Chris Ramsay describes his own work in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) space as mostly entertainment rather than rigorous journalism, and considers Ross Coulthart to have a lifetime of journalistic credibility to uphold that requires more care.
“it's easy for me to say as someone who for the most part provides entertainment in this space and doesn't necessarily provide like a rigorous journalistic approach to this as much as you do. And you have this credibility to uphold that you've created, you know, throughout your entire life.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:54:18.7-01:54:33.6 opinion first hand
610
Larry Warren is a controversial witness to the 1980 Rendlesham Forest RAF Bentwaters Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) incident.
“Larry Warren, who's a very controversial witness to the Rendlesham RAF Bentwaters case”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:55:47.2-01:55:53.2 administrative first hand
611
In the 1980 Rendlesham Forest RAF Bentwaters incident a craft allegedly landed in a forest in Suffolk, England, at the location of a highly sensitive nuclear-armed American Air Force base during the Cold War.
“a UK sighting where a craft allegedly landed in a forest in Suffolk, England, at the location of a very sensitive nuclear-armed American Air Force base during the Cold War.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:55:54.3-01:56:05.9 testimony
612
Ross Coulthart finds Charles Halt impeccably believable as a witness to the 1980 Rendlesham Forest RAF Bentwaters incident.
“he was very much at cross odds with Colonel Charles Halt, who I do believe impeccably.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:56:43.1-01:56:49.2 opinion first hand
613
Charles Halt was a colonel and deputy commander of the RAF Bentwaters base, and spoke out publicly that he had seen a craft of some kind moving through the trees.
“Charles Halt was a colonel, deputy commander of the base, and he spoke out publicly that... He had seen a craft of some kind moving through the trees”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:56:50.5-01:57:00.0 testimony second hand
614
Charles Halt was angry with Larry Warren because he believed Larry Warren had confabulated a story about a separate event in which he saw the craft on the ground with British policemen taking photographs, a series of events Charles Halt said did not happen.
“he was angry with Larry Warren because he believed that Larry had confabulated, that he'd made up a whole story about a separate event where he'd seen the craft on the ground and British policemen taking photographs and a whole series of events that Charles Halt said didn't happen.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:57:01.6-01:57:17.5 hearsay second hand
615
Ross Coulthart concluded that Charles Halt and Larry Warren were describing two different Rendlesham Forest events: Charles Halt the incident in the forest, and Larry Warren a later event that evening at an open field where witnesses described beings emerging from the craft and film being taken by the United States military, followed by a cover-up.
“Charles Halt was talking about one incident in the forest and he didn't know that Larry had gone later in the evening to another location where there was an open field where another event occurred where a whole lot of people described an event that took place that involved allegedly beings coming out of the craft and some kind of film being taken by the US military on the scene. a whole elaborate cover-up.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:57:26.4-01:57:55.1 opinion first hand
616
Ross Coulthart considers the likely prosaic explanation for the conflict between Charles Halt and Larry Warren to be that Larry Warren mistakenly placed Charles Halt, who was with him during the earlier forest incident, at the later Rendlesham Forest event.
“potentially what had happened was Larry had mistaken the earlier part of the evening where Charles Halt was in the earlier incident, where he was with him in the forest, and he placed him at this later incident. And that's why Charles and he were at odds.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:58:16.8-01:58:29.2 opinion first hand
617
An unnamed person sent Ross Coulthart an abusive message saying he was a shame to journalism for attacking Larry Warren in his interview.
“there's one particular person i won't name them here but they sent me the most abusive message saying i was a a shame to journalism because i'd attacked Larry Warren”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:58:39.1-01:58:49.0 testimony first hand
618
Ross Coulthart considers his conversation with Larry Warren to have been civil and thinks Larry Warren acquitted himself well under cross-examination.
“i actually think i had quite a civil conversation with Larry and for me it was good to see Larry exposing himself to cross-examination... Adjudicating himself well.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:58:50.4-01:58:57.2 opinion first hand
619
Ross Coulthart holds that some in the experiencer community treat belief in their accounts as an article of religious faith, refusing further contact with anyone who does not believe them.
“there is a view among some in the experiencer community, people who purport to have had experiences with the phenomenon where you almost have to have an article of religious faith. You must believe me, otherwise you're a complete bastard and I'm never going to speak to you again.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:59:05.9-01:59:20.5 opinion first hand
620
Ross Coulthart seeks out witnesses who are prepared to be aggressively cross-examined, holding that the public want inconsistencies to be raised.
“the people I look for are the people who are prepared to be in some cases aggressively cross-examined... Because I think what the public want is they want those inconsistencies to be raised.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 01:59:23.1-01:59:34.2 opinion first hand
621
Critics of Bob Lazar dispute his academic record, and Ross Coulthart holds that Bob Lazar does not have two master's degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and the California Institute of Technology (Caltech).
“People criticize his academic record. I say that he doesn't have two master's degrees from MIT and Caltech.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:00:29.3-02:00:34.9 opinion first hand
622
Ross Coulthart believes Bob Lazar almost certainly did work at Area 51, which is officially denied.
“I know Bob Lazar almost certainly did work at Area 51, which of course is officially denied. I believe he did.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:00:37.0-02:00:44.4 opinion first hand
623
Dave Fruehauf, who was one of the people running logistics at Area 51, confirmed to Ross Coulthart before his death that he had heard about the existence of S4, though he had never been there.
“I strongly know that S4 is real because I spoke to Dave Fruehauf before he died. who was essentially one of the people running logistics at Area 51, who confirmed to me that he'd heard about the existence of S4. He'd never been there”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:00:44.9-02:00:58.9 testimony second hand
624
Dave Fruehauf told Ross Coulthart that he had spoken to multiple people who had seen Bob Lazar at Area 51, though not during Dave Fruehauf's own time there.
“he'd also spoken to multiple people who had seen Bob Lazar at Area 51, not when he was there.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:00:59.9-02:01:09.0 hearsay third hand
625
Ross Coulthart regards the second-hand reports of Bob Lazar being seen at Area 51 as weakish but quite persuasive evidence that Bob Lazar was potentially telling the truth.
“So it was kind of weakish evidence, but to me, it was quite persuasive evidence... That Bob was potentially telling the truth.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:01:09.8-02:01:15.4 opinion first hand
626
One of the allegations used to discredit Bob Lazar is that he ran a brothel; Ross Coulthart regards this as irrelevant and notes that brothels are legal in Nevada.
“one of the things that's used to discredit him is the allegation that he ran a brothel... And so what if he did?... last time I checked, brothels were legal in Nevada, aren't they?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:01:22.9-02:01:31.6 opinion first hand
627
Scientists say that the isotopic ratios of Moscovium (element 115) as described by Bob Lazar cannot survive long enough to be useful as an energy source in the way he describes.
“the other one is um Moscovium element 115 um you know the scientists say that it's in his isotopic ratios that he describes it can't possibly survive to be useful as an energy source in the way that he describes”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:01:46.1-02:02:00.2 hearsay second hand
628
Ross Coulthart says he is neither a scientist nor a physicist, and would like to put the scientific objection about Moscovium (element 115) directly to Bob Lazar.
“i'm not a scientist i'm not a physicist but i would love to put that to him and and hear that”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:02:01.6-02:02:05.8 testimony first hand
629
Ross Coulthart aims to bring the rigour of trained investigative journalism to questioning the established figures of ufology.
“I'm trying to bring the rigor of somebody who's trained in investigative journalism to questioning the people who have become some of the stalwarts of UAPology.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:02:15.8-02:02:28.0 opinion first hand
630
Ross Coulthart has interviewed multiple witnesses to sightings of craft on United States military ranges where the military was clearly aware the craft were present.
“I've brought multiple witnesses that have been involved in sightings of craft on what are clearly US military ranges, where there's an obvious awareness by the military that these craft are there.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:02:37.1-02:02:52.7 testimony second hand
631
Ross Coulthart holds that there appears to be collusion between whatever operates the craft seen over United States military ranges and the military, in that each knows about the other and is not surprised by it, and that the military's first instinct is to cover it up.
“it does appear that there is a collusion between whatever's operating that craft and the military to the extent that they know about each other and they're not surprised by it. And their first instinct is to try and cover it up.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:02:53.8-02:03:06.9 opinion first hand
632
Ross Coulthart cross-examines witnesses as he would in a court case, seeking reasons to be sceptical, and rejects the view held by many in ufology that doing so amounts to attacking the witness.
“I've found the way that the witnesses respond when I cross-examine them and treat it like I would in a court case where I'm trying to find a reason to be skeptical. There's a lot of people in ufology who say, you shouldn't do that. You're attacking that person. And I don't agree.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:03:08.1-02:03:26.7 opinion first hand
633
Ross Coulthart holds that the best court cross-examination methodically opens the layers of truth so that anyone can see whether a person is telling the truth or lying, and that little of this has happened in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject, where there is a tendency to accept accounts credulously.
“the best cross-examination in a court case is where, in a methodical way, the layers of truth are opened, and Blind Freddy can see whether somebody's telling the truth or lying. And that's the thing I find most fascinating about the UAP subject, is that not a lot of that has happened. There's a tendency to credulously accept”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:03:35.6-02:04:01.3 opinion first hand
634
Ross Coulthart is uncomfortable that some UFO witnesses and whistleblowers are treated as heroes and celebrities at UFO conferences.
“one of the things i'm really uncomfortable about is you go to ufo conferences and some of these people are treated like heroes”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:04:31.5-02:04:36.8 opinion first hand
635
Ross Coulthart considers that people should not be credulous towards UFO witnesses and should question them.
“i don't think we should be credulous”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:04:47.4-02:04:48.6 opinion first hand
636
Ross Coulthart has on a number of occasions had interviewees become angry with him for questioning inconsistencies in their accounts.
“there's been a number of occasions where i've actually had people get really angry with me saying how dare you do that you know you're questioning their credibility”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:05:04.7-02:05:11.8 testimony first hand
637
Ross Coulthart considers that questioning an interviewee's inconsistencies gives them an opportunity to clarify rather than attacking their credibility.
“in fact i don't believe i am at all what i'm doing is giving them the opportunity to clarify those”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:05:13.3-02:05:18.2 opinion first hand
638
Ross Coulthart would ask an interviewee to leave if they objected to being asked questions.
“If I start asking somebody questions and they arc up and go, look, how dare you ask me these questions? I didn't come on here to be cross-examined. I'm going to ask them to leave.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:05:50.4-02:05:58.6 opinion first hand
639
Ross Coulthart questions the motives of a UFO witness who is unwilling to be probed with questions.
“if they're not willing to do that, then it makes me question what their motives are”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:06:09.6-02:06:13.6 opinion first hand
640
Ross Coulthart finds that many people in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) community who follow his work treat the subject too much as entertainment.
“there are a lot of people in the UAP community of people who watch the stuff I do, and they treat it too much like entertainment”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:07:29.7-02:07:38.4 opinion first hand
641
Ross Coulthart considers that the purpose of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) work is to ascertain objective truth rather than to entertain.
“What this is all about is an opportunity to try and ascertain objective truth.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:07:50.0-02:07:55.0 opinion first hand
642
Ross Coulthart considers Mick West to be becoming more of a debunker than a sceptic.
“even though at times I find him annoying because he's becoming more of a debunker than he is a skeptic, people like Mick West”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:07:57.4-02:08:05.1 opinion first hand
643
Ross Coulthart considers Mick West useful and positive because he raises legitimate points and has on occasion been right about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) cases.
“people like Mick West are actually very useful and positive because they keep us on our toes. I think he raises legitimate points from time to time, and I think on occasion he's been right.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:08:04.4-02:08:16.2 opinion first hand
644
A man in France emailed Ross Coulthart an image of a fast-moving object in the sky which Ross Coulthart identified within about five seconds as an insect close to the lens showing classic parallax movement across the frame.
“I had a guy from France email me yesterday, and he sent me an image of an object moving super, super fast across the sky. And within about five seconds, I could see that what it was was an insect. And he'd focused with his autofocus on the insect, classic parallax moving across front of frame, very close to the lens.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:08:17.9-02:08:37.5 testimony first hand
645
A man in France who emailed Ross Coulthart a supposed UFO image had measured the object's speed at approximately 6,400 kilometres per hour.
“And he'd measured the speed at something like 4,000 miles an hour.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:08:38.5-02:08:41.1 measurement second hand
646
The man in France who emailed Ross Coulthart the supposed UFO image accepted the following morning that Ross Coulthart had a point about the object being an insect.
“He came back to me this morning and he said, actually, you've got a point. I hadn't thought about it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:09:19.0-02:09:22.3 testimony first hand
647
Ross Coulthart considers the question "do you believe in UFOs?" a ridiculous one because belief is an expression of religious faith that implies the suspension of knowledge.
“when people say to me, do you believe in UFOs? And to me, that's a ridiculous question... Belief is an expression of religious faith. It implies the suspension of knowledge.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:11:18.3-02:11:28.0 opinion first hand
648
Ross Coulthart considers a submitted UFO video near-pointless as evidence unless there are multiple independent witnesses willing to sign a statutory declaration or the object was caught on radar.
“unless there's multiple independent witnesses who are prepared to say, I saw that object... I will sign a statutory declaration... Or, you know, it's caught on radar traveling at 2000 miles an hour.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:12:28.0-02:12:37.9 opinion first hand
649
Ross Coulthart considers artificial intelligence generated fake videos a huge problem, making it next to impossible to decide whether a purported UFO video is real.
“there's a huge problem, I think, with AI now crafting bogus videos to the point where it's next to impossible to decide whether something's real or not”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:12:54.0-02:13:05.5 opinion first hand
650
The large UFO-related site Ross Coulthart has referred to is located outside the continental United States, and he has never disclosed its location.
“I've never said any location, and I've never said anything that would convey where it is. It's outside of the continental United States.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:13:52.2-02:13:58.2 testimony first hand
651
Eric Burlison has recently indicated a willingness to investigate Ross Coulthart's allegation about a large UFO-related site outside the continental United States.
“Representative Eric Burleson has recently indicated a willingness to investigate that allegation.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:14:00.3-02:14:05.6 testimony second hand
652
Eric Burlison has said publicly that he too has heard that the existence of the large UFO-related site described by Ross Coulthart is a classified piece of knowledge.
“he's said publicly that he too has heard that this is a classified piece of knowledge”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:14:14.8-02:14:22.8 hearsay second hand
653
Ross Coulthart at times regrets having mentioned the large UFO-related site outside the continental United States.
“At times, I regret even mentioning it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:14:48.1-02:14:50.5 testimony first hand
654
Ross Coulthart is confident the large UFO-related site he has referred to is real and not speculative.
“It's not actually speculative in my book... No, I'm pretty confident it's real.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:14:56.2-02:14:58.9 opinion first hand
655
The large UFO-related site described by Ross Coulthart serves an important national security purpose, and officially linking its location to that purpose could cause serious problems for the personnel working in the facility.
“It serves a very, very important national security purpose, and you would not want the fact of the location of this object to be officially linked in any way to the purpose for which it serves at the moment, because it could potentially cause some serious problems for the men and women that work in that facility.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:15:06.7-02:15:29.8 testimony first hand
656
The large UFO-related site described by Ross Coulthart could definitely be seen on a satellite image.
“Chris Ramsay: Would you see it from space or not? Ross Coulthart: Oh, you could definitely see it on a satellite.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:15:37.1-02:15:41.0 testimony first hand
657
The building at the large UFO-related site described by Ross Coulthart is the shape of the craft it houses.
“Chris Ramsay: Is the building the shape of the craft? Ross Coulthart: Yeah.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:15:47.4-02:15:50.4 testimony first hand
658
In the Valerie Plame affair a member of a United States administration revealed the name of an undeclared CIA officer, putting her life at risk.
“the whole Valerie Plame story, where ironically, a member of an administration revealed the name of somebody who was an undeclared CIA officer. And that was a dangerous risk for that person. It was putting her life at risk.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:16:19.6-02:16:34.9 testimony
659
Ross Coulthart disagrees with what certain intelligence agencies are doing to conceal the United States legacy Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash retrieval and reverse engineering program.
“whilst I don't agree with everything that certain intelligence agencies are doing to conceal the legacy program”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:16:39.6-02:16:46.1 opinion first hand
660
Ross Coulthart considers Five Eyes to serve an incredibly useful purpose in protecting national security and keeping world peace since at least the end of the Second World War, with the United States leading it and both Australia and Canada part of it.
“they do serve as part of The Five Eyes that my country is part of and your country is part of and America leads. It serves an incredibly useful purpose in terms of protecting national security and ideally keeping world peace since at least the end of World War II.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:16:48.7-02:17:05.7 opinion first hand
661
Ross Coulthart is very confident from multiple first-hand sources, more than two, that the large UFO-related site he has described serves the purpose he attributes to it.
“No, I'm very confident from multiple sources that this location serves the purpose for which I've described... These sources are firsthand witnesses? Yes. More than two? Yes.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:17:29.3-02:17:40.6 testimony second hand
662
Ross Coulthart considers that the Donald Trump administration should make a Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure in July on the anniversary of the 1947 Roswell incident because so much information is leaking.
“even if Trump's not thinking about making a disclosure in July for the anniversary of Roswell, he bloody well should be. Because there is so much that's leaking right now.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:18:00.5-02:18:10.1 opinion first hand
663
There are other locations of alleged craft recoveries in contemporary history around the world that are not yet publicly known, beyond Magenta, Kingman, Aztec and Roswell.
“There are other locations of alleged recoveries of craft in contemporary history, which are not yet publicly known. And it's not just Magenta and Kingsman and Aztec and Roswell. These are other locations around the world.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:18:16.5-02:18:37.6 testimony first hand
664
Ross Coulthart has seen imagery of scientists investigating one alleged craft recovery site outside the United States and is investigating it.
“I know the US has investigated them. I've actually seen imagery of scientists investigating one site in particular, and that's something I'm investigating.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:18:41.4-02:18:50.4 testimony first hand
665
Ross Coulthart does not know whether the team deployed to investigate alleged craft recovery sites belongs to the United States Department of Energy or the Department of Defense, nor whether it is run through a government agency or out of private aerospace.
“I don't know whether they're a DOE team, Department of Energy, or whether they're part of the Department of Defense... And I don't know whether it's done through the auspices of some government agency or whether it's run out of private aerospace.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:19:01.7-02:19:25.0 opinion first hand
666
An incredibly well-resourced entity deploys teams to investigate alleged craft recovery sites, and these inquiries continue to this day.
“there is a team that is deployed to investigate things like this, and it's still ongoing. And these inquiries continue to this day... there is an entity which is incredibly well resourced, which deploys to investigate these things.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:19:09.0-02:19:19.5 testimony first hand
667
Ross Coulthart suspects the team deployed to investigate alleged craft recovery sites is related to the United States Department of Energy because people wearing Department of Energy jackets featured in the Peru case.
“Well, I suspect it's DOE related, because as we know from the Peru story, it was people wearing DOE jackets.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:19:46.1-02:19:53.2 opinion first hand
668
Ross Coulthart has spoken to Special Forces Tier 1 operators from the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia who described being involved in operations they believed were retrievals of technology that was not normal human technology.
“I've spoken to Special Forces Tier 1 operators from the UK, the US, and Australia. who have described to me being involved in what they believe were retrievals, where they've been on operations where as a soldier, as a grunt, you're not told what you're doing, but it's pretty bloody obvious to you what you're recovering is not normal, prosaic, mundane human technology.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:19:56.7-02:20:23.6 hearsay second hand
669
Before Skywatcher was established, Ross Coulthart was invited by Alex Klokus to an event at the Esalen Institute to speak to an audience of potential investors.
“Prior to the establishment of Skywatcher, there was an event that I was invited to by Alex Klokus, who's one of the co-founders of Skywatcher... he invited me to come to Esalen to speak to that audience.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:20:44.4-02:20:52.6 testimony first hand
670
Alex Klokus is a co-founder of Skywatcher along with Jake Barber, James Fowler and others.
“Alex Klokus, who's one of the co-founders of Skywatcher, along with Jake Barber and James Fowler and others”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:20:49.9-02:20:56.4 administrative
671
Alex Klokus was the private equity funder for Skywatcher who helped bring in the money people.
“And Alex was very much the private equity funder who helped bring the money people.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:20:57.4-02:21:02.0 administrative
672
The Esalen Institute event was an opportunity to show potential investors what Skywatcher aspired to do scientifically.
“this was an opportunity to show to potential investors what Skywatcher aspired to do science-wise”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:21:03.1-02:21:09.9 testimony first hand
673
The Esalen Institute Skywatcher event was attended by a group of extremely high net worth people who arrived on private jets.
“it was a bunch of extremely high net worth people who came in on their private jets. I've never seen so many private jets in one place at one time.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:21:23.3-02:21:31.5 observation first hand
674
Jake Barber, David Grusch and Jordan Jozak attended the Skywatcher event at the Esalen Institute.
“And Jake Barber came along as well, as did David Grusch, and so did Jordan Jozak, who ended up becoming one of the psionics who was working with Skywatcher.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:21:33.1-02:21:44.5 observation first hand
675
Jordan Jozak became one of the psionics working with Skywatcher.
“Jordan Jozak, who ended up becoming one of the psionics who was working with Skywatcher”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:21:39.6-02:21:44.5 administrative
676
Ross Coulthart had been talking to Jordan Jozak for some time and introduced him to Jake Barber and Alex Klokus, which is how Jordan Jozak came to be involved with Skywatcher.
“And I'd been talking to Jordan for quite some time, and I introduced Jordan to Jake and to Alex Klokus, and that's how he became to be involved with Skywatcher.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:21:46.0-02:21:57.8 testimony first hand
677
The aim at the Esalen Institute event was to give Jordan Jozak the opportunity to demonstrate psionic inviting.
“What we were aspiring to do at Esalen was to give Jordan the opportunity to demonstrate psionic inviting.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:22:01.9-02:22:10.1 testimony first hand
678
Until the Esalen Institute demonstration Ross Coulthart thought psionics was probably nonsense, finding it utterly implausible that human consciousness could be connected to something at such a distance and summon or invite it.
“I freely admit that up until that point, I thought it was probably bullshit... it just seemed utterly implausible that you could connect human consciousness to something at such a distance and somehow summon it or invite it to come.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:22:13.2-02:22:31.1 opinion first hand
679
At about 16:00 on the day of the evening psionic inviting session at the Esalen Institute, Jordan Jozak told Ross Coulthart he had a clear image in his head of a blue hexagonal craft.
“At about four o'clock in the afternoon before the evening, when we were meant to have this inviting session, Jordan came to me and just said, I've got a really clear image in my head of a blue hexagonal craft. He said, it's a blue hexagon, Ross.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:22:34.4-02:22:54.5 testimony second hand
680
Jordan Jozak's statement about a blue hexagonal craft was made in front of David Grusch, Alex Klokus and a number of the premier investors, in Alex Klokus's hotel room at the Esalen Institute.
“He said this in front of David Grusch, in front of Alex Klokus, and in front of a number of the premier investors. We were sitting in Alex Klokus's hotel room at Esalen”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:22:58.3-02:23:09.9 observation first hand
681
The Esalen Institute is a spiritual retreat sitting directly above the Pacific Ocean, about three hours' drive south of San Francisco.
“a spiritual retreat that sits right over the Pacific Ocean, but three hours drive south of San Francisco”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:23:18.2-02:23:23.8 administrative
682
The Esalen Institute at Big Sur has hot springs and pools where visitors bathe naked.
“know that it has hot springs, beautiful pools where people can take their clothes off and sit in the pools.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:23:29.8-02:23:37.2 observation first hand
683
At the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration, participants lay on yoga mats on the grass and were invited to meditate and open their minds to inviting a non-human intelligence.
“we very seriously sat down on our yoga mats and lay down on the grass, and we were invited to meditate and open our minds to the idea of inviting a non-human intelligence.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:24:14.1-02:24:23.5 observation first hand
684
At about 16:00 on the day of the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration, Jordan Jozak told Ross Coulthart that they were going to have a sighting of a blue hexagon that night.
“he told me at 4pm in the afternoon that we were going to have this sighting of a blue hexagon.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:24:35.0-02:24:38.8 testimony first hand
685
During the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration, Jordan Jozak said the word 'horizon', and Ross Coulthart then saw two golden-white orbs appear on the horizon.
“And he says, horizon. And I look towards the horizon and there are these two golden white orbs that just appeared on the horizon.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:24:52.7-02:25:04.3 observation first hand
686
During the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration, a Chinese businessman of renown in Silicon Valley stood up spontaneously and called out 'we love you, come closer' to the two orbs, and the objects came closer.
“There's a beautiful Chinese businessman of renown in Silicon Valley who stood up spontaneously and goes, we love you we love you come closer come closer and as he's doing this these objects do come closer”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:25:11.2-02:25:28.6 observation first hand
687
Jordan Jozak later told Ross Coulthart that during the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration he was inside one of the orbs, bringing them closer.
“And he tells me later he was inside one of those objects, bringing them closer.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:25:36.7-02:25:41.1 hearsay second hand
688
Ross Coulthart described the group's shared loving feeling during the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration as the most incredible feeling, and considers it really important to what happened.
“I freely admit it's the most incredible feeling. We all had this kind of loving feeling running through us. And I think that was actually really important.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:25:50.1-02:25:57.3 opinion first hand
689
Ross Coulthart considers that the feminine is commonly lacking in the study of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, and that there are too few women in the subject area.
“I think one of the things that is commonly lacking in UAPology is the feminine. You know, there's too few women in this subject area. It's too blokey and too male and testosterone-filled and aggressive.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:26:02.5-02:26:16.2 opinion first hand
690
Alex Klokus arranged the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration with an even split of 50 per cent men and 50 per cent women.
“What I loved about Esalen was he'd done 50% men, 50% women.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:26:17.9-02:26:21.8 observation first hand
691
Ross Coulthart considers the equal gender balance at the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration integral to why it worked, because it reduced male ego and made the gathering more loving.
“To why it worked. Because the girls... balanced it out you know there was less male ego and it was more loving to be perfectly honest with you”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:26:25.1-02:26:34.8 opinion first hand
692
At the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration, the two orbs approached to within approximately 150 to 200 metres of the participants as they entreated them to come closer.
“Chris Ramsay: how close? Ross Coulthart: oh probably within 150 200 meters”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:26:49.7-02:26:53.3 measurement first hand
693
The two orbs at the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration hung over the ocean, then slowly took off and went out of sight, and the sighting was over quickly.
“there was still hanging over the ocean and then they just slowly took off and sort of went out of sight it was over pretty quickly”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:26:58.9-02:27:06.5 observation first hand
694
Ross Coulthart hoped to see the blue hexagon that Jordan Jozak had predicted, because seeing it would have proved to him definitively that psionic inviting was real.
“i was also annoyed because it kind of disproved my conformational bias i really hoped to see what he said he was going to see and it would prove definitively in my mind that this was real”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:27:25.5-02:27:34.8 opinion first hand
695
One of the Esalen blue hexagonal orb photographs shows swirling faces in a translucent mist, adjacent to the hot springs at the Esalen Institute, viewed from the hill below the main meeting room.
“you see adjacent to the hot springs where all these young men and women were buck naked swimming in the hot springs, swirling faces in a kind of a translucent mist.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:28:17.0-02:28:27.1 observation first hand
696
People present at the Esalen Institute told Ross Coulthart they had seen with their own eyes the swirling faces in translucent mist near the hot springs, so it was not only visible in the photograph.
“People who'd been there told me they'd seen that. So it's not just something on the photograph.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:28:34.0-02:28:38.9 hearsay second hand
697
The second of the Esalen blue hexagonal orb photographs shows a blue hexagonal orb that settled on the lower part of the beach next to the ocean at the Esalen Institute, exactly as Jordan Jozak had predicted.
“The second image that you'll see here is what happened subsequently, which is a blue hexagonal orb, exactly as Jordan had predicted, sat down further down the beach and just planted itself on the lower part of the beach next to the ocean”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:28:44.2-02:29:04.3 observation first hand
698
The blue hexagonal orb on the beach at the Esalen Institute was seen at about 22:30 to 23:00 by most of the people who were awake that night.
“And it was seen by most of the people who were up that night, looking down probably at 10, 30, 11 o'clock at night at that location.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:07.5-02:29:15.0 observation first hand
699
The blue hexagonal orb on the beach at the Esalen Institute was present for approximately 10 to 20 seconds.
“Chris Ramsay: How long did this occur? How long was this there for? Ross Coulthart: Not very long, you know, probably 10 or 20 seconds.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:16.0-02:29:23.3 measurement first hand
700
Ross Coulthart cannot remember how the blue hexagonal orb on the beach at the Esalen Institute left, and finds that inability to recall weird.
“I don't know. I can't remember. That's the weird thing about it.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:28.9-02:29:31.4 testimony first hand
701
The object in the Esalen blue hexagonal orb photographs is clearly structured and translucent.
“I mean, it's a very clear, structured, translucent,”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:40.9-02:29:44.3 observation first hand
702
Ross Coulthart regards the Esalen Institute Skywatcher psionic inviting demonstration as his own moment of ontological shock, the point at which he thought there might be something to the phenomenon.
“A lot of people ask me, have I ever had a sort of an ontological moment where I've gone, holy hell. ... That was it for me. That was where I was going, crikey, there might just be something to this.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:29:57.6-02:30:09.2 opinion first hand
703
Ross Coulthart suspects the blue hexagonal orb sighting at the Esalen Institute gave Jordan Jozak credibility and was instrumental in his going on to become one of the lead psionics for Skywatcher.
“And I suspect that might have been instrumental for why he went on to become, I think, one of the lead psionics for Skywatcher.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:30:18.8-02:30:24.6 opinion first hand
704
Jordan Jozak's time as one of the lead psionics for Skywatcher was short-lived.
“Chris Ramsay: short-lived though Ross Coulthart: short-lived yeah yeah”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:30:26.2-02:30:28.4 testimony first hand
705
When writing In Plain Sight, Ross Coulthart did not believe that the United States was capable of shooting down and possibly killing non-human intelligences, regarding the idea as preposterous and a wacky conspiracy theory, and he has since changed his mind.
“I didn't believe that we were capable of shooting down, possibly killing non-human intelligences. It just seemed preposterous to me. It seemed like a wacky conspiracy theory.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:31:11.6-02:31:20.5 opinion first hand
706
Ross Coulthart has reported stories on intrusive surveillance and is fascinated by spying and communications interception.
“I've done stories myself on intrusive surveillance. I'm really fascinated with spying and communications interception.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:31:34.2-02:31:40.3 administrative first hand
707
Ross Coulthart exclusively revealed that Echelon was an official programme, about 25 years before 2026, on a programme for Channel 9 Australia, in collaboration with the British investigative journalist Duncan Campbell.
“there's a spy system called Echelon, which I revealed exclusively was an official program 20 something, 25 years ago on a show for Channel 9 Australia in collaboration with a British investigative journalist called Duncan Campbell.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:31:41.9-02:31:59.1 administrative first hand
708
Duncan Campbell is a British investigative journalist.
“in collaboration with a British investigative journalist called Duncan Campbell.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:31:56.1-02:31:59.1 administrative first hand
709
Echelon is a communications surveillance operation run under the United Kingdom - United States of America Communications Intelligence Agreement (UKUSA), which is unrelated to the Japanese mafia despite the similar-sounding name.
“And Echelon is essentially a communications surveillance operation run by the Yakuza, UK-USA, the Yakuza agreement, not the Japanese mafia.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:32:00.5-02:32:12.7 testimony first hand
710
The United Kingdom - United States of America Communications Intelligence Agreement (UKUSA) is the basis of the Five Eyes alliance.
“And it's the Five Eyes Alliance, basically, the UK-USA agreement.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:32:19.7-02:32:22.9 testimony first hand
711
Sources in Australian intelligence tipped off Ross Coulthart that Australia was part of the Echelon communications surveillance operation.
“I was tipped by sources in Australian intelligence that we were part of the spying operation where communications surveillance happens.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:32:24.9-02:32:33.7 hearsay second hand
712
Investigating Echelon made Ross Coulthart realise how wide open spying is and how easy it is to break into anybody's communications.
“And it made me realize just how wide open spying is and how easy it is to break into anybody's communications.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:32:34.5-02:32:46.6 opinion first hand
713
While researching In Plain Sight, Ross Coulthart was told by people that the best way to communicate with sources was to write a letter, and he wrote about 160 letters.
“I'd been told by people as part of my research that the best way to communicate with people was to write a letter. And so I wrote about 160 letters to people.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:32:54.8-02:33:05.2 testimony first hand
714
Ross Coulthart researched university thesis documents written by people in aerospace and accessed papers in libraries written by young graduate students he assumed might have gone into the United States legacy UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“I did a lot of work in universities looking at thesis documents that had been written by people in aerospace. I went to certain libraries and accessed papers that had been written by people when they were young graduate students who I assumed might very well have gone into the program.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:33:07.0-02:33:26.6 testimony first hand
715
Some of the people who had written about propulsion systems 25 years earlier responded to Ross Coulthart's letters.
“Because people who'd been writing about propulsion systems 25 years earlier, some of those people responded.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:33:38.5-02:33:49.0 testimony first hand
716
Ross Coulthart used letters rather than electronic communication to give his sources some degree of security that their communications were not being intercepted.
“And that was essentially a way of providing them with some degree of security, that their communications weren't being intercepted.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:33:50.5-02:33:57.6 testimony first hand
717
Nat Kobitz was director of science and technology development for the United States Navy for more than 30 years.
“I'd met a guy called Nat Kobitz, who was a director of science technology development for the US Navy for 30 something years.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:11.4-02:34:18.2 administrative first hand
718
When Ross Coulthart wrote to Nat Kobitz, Kobitz was dying of cancer and calculated that he had nothing to lose by talking to Coulthart.
“when I wrote him a letter, it just turned out that he was sadly dying from cancer. And he calculated that he had nothing to lose by talking to me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:21.7-02:34:31.2 testimony first hand
719
Nat Kobitz candidly assisted Ross Coulthart's investigations, gave him the names of people to speak to and opened doors for him.
“And so he very candidly assisted me with my investigations and gave me the names of people to speak to and helped open the door for me.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:31.6-02:34:41.0 testimony first hand
720
Early in his research Ross Coulthart became aware of allegations that craft were being shot down, but at that time nobody had told him about the psionic connection.
“So I became aware very early on that there were allegations that craft were being... shot down. At that time, I wasn't even aware of the psionic connection. Nobody had told me about that.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:34:41.2-02:34:53.7 testimony first hand
721
After writing his letters Ross Coulthart received multiple corroborative sources telling him the same account, and that was where he began learning about psionics.
“I suddenly realized I was getting multiple corroborative sources telling me the same thing. and that's where i started learning about psionics”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:35:06.4-02:35:13.5 testimony first hand
722
Psionics was something else Ross Coulthart did not believe when he wrote In Plain Sight.
“and that was something else that i didn't believe back”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:35:14.3-02:35:16.6 opinion first hand
723
Ross Coulthart considers that a lot of idea-seeding by the Pentagon and the intelligence community takes place in Hollywood films.
“And I think there's a lot of that kind of seeding that takes place.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:36:14.4-02:36:16.6 opinion first hand
724
If given the chance to interview an extraterrestrial, Ross Coulthart would ask whether they created humans.
“I would certainly ask them whether they created humans.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:37:13.2-02:37:17.4 opinion first hand
725
If given the chance to interview an extraterrestrial, Ross Coulthart would ask whether they believe they transcend their physical bodies and have a consciousness that survives after death, which he considers integral to the whole extraterrestrial story.
“I would ask them whether they believe that they transcend their physical bodies and have a consciousness that survives after death. which I think is integral to this whole ET story.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:37:21.2-02:37:36.5 opinion first hand
726
If given the chance to interview an extraterrestrial, Ross Coulthart's third question would be who are the bad guys and who are the good guys.
“And the third question I would ask would be, who are the bad guys and who are the good guys?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:37:39.4-02:37:46.8 opinion first hand
727
Ross Coulthart is fascinated by ancient megalithic ruins and considers it completely absurd to say that humanity built the pyramids, believing them to be far older and the work of a prior civilisation.
“I'm fascinated as you know, with ancient megalithic ruins. And to me, it's just completely absurd to say that humanity built the pyramids. Uh, I do think that the pyramids are a hell of a lot older. I think it was a prior civilization.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:38:55.0-02:39:07.7 opinion first hand
728
Experts Ross Coulthart has engaged with put the age of the pyramids at anything between 10,000 and more than 100,000 years.
“the experts that I've engaged with say anything between 10 to 100,000 plus years.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:39:16.7-02:39:21.4 hearsay second hand
729
Ross Coulthart considers that the pyramids date back at least to the time of the Younger Dryas flooding, and that there is evidence of water around the Great Sphinx of Giza, which he dates to 12,500 years ago.
“it's way back to at least the time of the Younger Dryas when there was flooding, because we know that the last time there was water around the Sphinx, and there is evidence of water around the Sphinx. ... 12,500.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:39:24.1-02:39:34.6 opinion first hand
730
Ross Coulthart considers that nobody explains the water erosion around the Great Sphinx of Giza, and dislikes the way Egyptian archaeology is dominated by Zahi Hawass and his control of the narrative.
“Nobody explains that. And I, I don't like the way that Egyptian archeology is dominated by Zahi Hawass, Dr. Zahi Hawass, and the way he's controlled the narrative with archeologists.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:39:43.1-02:39:52.5 opinion first hand
731
Archaeologists have told Ross Coulthart that Zahi Hawass told them flatly not to release certain reports or they would lose access to certain sites.
“And I've spoken to archeologists who've told me that they've been told flatly by Hawass that they're not to release certain reports. Otherwise they won't be given access to certain sites, which is appalling.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:39:53.4-02:40:03.4 hearsay second hand
732
Ross Coulthart considers that rock art on rock walls in Utah and in Australia depicts beings that are most certainly not human, some of which look mantid or insectoid.
“when you look at the rock art on the walls in rocks in Utah and in Australia, You're looking at beings that are most certainly not human. And dare I say, some of them look mantid, insectoid.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:40:14.1-02:40:27.8 opinion first hand
733
Ross Coulthart does not rule out the possibility that insects became a dominant apex species, evolved intelligence, went off planet, and are the reported mantis beings.
“Is it possible that the insects became the dominant apex species and developed, evolved to have intelligence? And is it possible that they went off planet and maybe they're the mantids? I've got no idea, but I don't rule that out.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:40:29.1-02:40:45.0 opinion first hand
734
Michael Denton is an evolutionary biologist who has challenged the idea that the theory of evolution is anything more than a hypothesis.
“he's an evolutionary biologist who has challenged the idea that the theory of evolution is anything more than a hypothesis.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:40:59.5-02:41:10.6 administrative first hand
735
Michael Denton does not think the rate of development of the human forebrain, which turned primitive hominids into technologically advanced beings, can be adequately explained by simple mutations, given the levels of mutation and the time involved.
“he doesn't think you can adequately explain the rate of development, for example, of the human forebrain, which essentially turned us from primitive hominids into advanced technologically clever beings. You can't explain that with just simple mutations. The levels of mutation and the time involved can't be explained.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:41:12.2-02:41:33.0 opinion second hand
736
The fossils of the transitional cross-species that the theory of evolution would lead one to expect are not found, in the account of the evolutionary biologist Michael Denton relayed by Ross Coulthart.
“And there aren't also the cross species, the transition species, the fossils for those transition species that you would expect to find.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:41:33.5-02:41:39.8 opinion second hand
737
Ross Coulthart thinks there has been interference in human evolution and speculates that something gave humanity a cosmic shove, though he does not know for sure.
“I think there's been interference and I speculate there. I don't know for sure, but did something give us a cosmic shove?”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:41:44.3-02:41:52.6 opinion first hand
738
Ross Coulthart does not consider humanity the apex intelligence.
“Chris Ramsay: i'm not afraid to admit i'm not the apex / Ross Coulthart: i think most certainly we are not”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:43:30.8-02:43:34.9 opinion first hand
739
Ross Coulthart is not in a position to say he knows that something is coming in 2027.
“Again, that's an inquiry about my belief. It's not my inquiry about knowledge. I'm in no position to say that I know something.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:44:12.1-02:44:19.8 testimony first hand
740
People claiming to have inside knowledge have told Ross Coulthart that something is happening in 2027.
“There are people who have speculated to me, people who purportedly have inside knowledge, who may or may not be right, who have said that something is happening in 2027.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:44:21.6-02:44:32.7 hearsay second hand
741
Other unnamed sources have told Ross Coulthart that something is happening in 2034 rather than 2027.
“Other people have said 2034.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:44:34.2-02:44:35.0 hearsay second hand
742
Other unnamed sources have admitted to Ross Coulthart that they have no idea what is coming, while still believing something is coming.
“Other people have admitted to me they really have no bloody idea, but they do think something is coming.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:44:37.1-02:44:41.4 hearsay second hand
743
Ross Coulthart accepts that the claims made to him about something coming in 2027 could be a psychological operation.
“Chris Ramsay: Do you think that that could be some type of psyop? Ross Coulthart: It could be.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:44:52.6-02:44:56.4 opinion first hand
744
Ross Coulthart accepts that the people who told him something is coming could themselves have been targeted by a psychological operation.
“Chris Ramsay: Do you think that the people who tell you that could have been psyoped as well? Ross Coulthart: Yeah, it could be.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:44:56.7-02:45:01.1 opinion first hand
745
Ross Coulthart considers the talk of something coming in 2027 to possibly be an attempt by pro-disclosure people to inject urgency into the debate over whether there should be disclosure.
“And I think what it might be is an attempt by the pro-disclosure people to inject some urgency into the debate about whether or not there should or shouldn't be disclosure.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:45:01.3-02:45:09.3 opinion first hand
746
Ross Coulthart has been told that there is a higher degree of uncertainty about what is speculated to be coming than people acknowledge.
“What I'm told is that there's a higher degree of uncertainty about what it is that is speculated to be coming than people acknowledge.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:45:10.7-02:45:19.0 hearsay second hand
747
Unnamed sources have speculated to Ross Coulthart that what is coming involves natural disasters, comets, or some kind of catastrophe.
“People speculate that there's natural disasters, comets, some kind of catastrophe. I've got no idea. I don't even know if it's true.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:45:27.0-02:45:35.6 hearsay second hand
748
Ross Coulthart has heard many contradictory accounts about what is supposedly coming, and reports that people only murmur and mumble that something is on the horizon.
“i've heard so many contradictory accounts all i know is people murmur and mumble ... that you know something's on the horizon they've been doing that for a long time”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:46:00.1-02:46:10.0 testimony first hand
749
Ross Coulthart wonders whether the talk of something coming is merely Pentagon gossip.
“i just wonder whether it's just pentagon tittle tattle i really do”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:46:11.5-02:46:14.4 opinion first hand
750
Ross Coulthart holds that intelligence officers gossip as much as anyone else, and considers a lot of the talk about something coming to be gossip.
“intelligence people, spooks, they gossip just as much as we do. They love gossip and spies gossip. ... And I think there's a lot of that behind what we're talking about.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:46:20.4-02:46:34.0 opinion first hand
751
Ross Coulthart considers scepticism about predicted disasters warranted but complacency unwarranted.
“I think we're entitled to be skeptical, but I also don't think we should be complacent.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:46:41.0-02:46:44.4 opinion first hand
752
Ross Coulthart believes humanity is heading into a very dangerous place and would not be surprised by a nuclear war.
“I do think humanity is heading into a very dangerous place. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a nuclear war.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:46:54.3-02:46:59.7 opinion first hand
753
Ross Coulthart holds that humanity is closer to nuclear apocalypse than at any other time in its history, and that the world is blase about it.
“I mean, we are closer to nuclear apocalypse than at any other time in our history. And the world is so blasé about that.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:47:00.0-02:47:10.1 opinion first hand
754
As an 18-year-old university student, Ross Coulthart believed there was little point finishing his studies because he expected to die in a thermonuclear war.
“When I was an 18-year-old punk, I genuinely thought, while I was at university, there really wasn't much point in finishing my studies because I knew we were gonna die in a thermonuclear war.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:47:11.2-02:47:22.1 testimony first hand
755
The film The Day After presented a grim depiction of what would happen when nuclear war broke out.
“There was this movie called The Day After, which presented this incredibly grim idea of what was gonna happen when war broke out.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:47:23.2-02:47:31.0 testimony first hand
756
The Doomsday Clock, presented by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, is closer to midnight now than at any other time in history, including during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
“The doomsday clock, which is presented by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, is closer now than at any other time in our history, including the Cuban Missile Crisis.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:47:40.7-02:47:51.8 testimony second hand
757
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists assesses the present moment as more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis.
“They think right now is more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis when we came literally to the brink of nuclear war.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:47:52.8-02:47:59.8 testimony second hand
758
Ross Coulthart holds that humanity is capable of destroying itself without any natural catastrophe such as a comet or pole reversal, and considers that the bigger concern.
“So I don't think we need a natural catastrophe, be it a comet or a pole reversal or whatever it is that they're talking about. ... We are capable of destroying ourselves. And I think, frankly, that's the bigger theme that we should be concerned about.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:48:01.0-02:48:20.6 opinion first hand
759
Donald Trump has repeatedly made public references to advanced weapons, most recently in connection with Venezuela.
“And have you noticed that Trump keeps on dropping these heads? ... Yeah, I mean, most recently with Venezuela, he talked about this discombobulator”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:49:03.1-02:49:09.2 testimony second hand
760
Ross Coulthart considers the unnamed acoustic incapacitating weapon described by Donald Trump to be an acoustic device that completely incapacitated Cuban soldiers defending Majuro.
“he talked about this discombobulator, and clearly it's some kind of acoustic device that completely incapacitated the Cuban soldiers who were defending Majuro.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:49:09.2-02:49:17.7 opinion first hand
761
Both Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin have spoken publicly about possessing a superweapon of a kind that could not be dreamed of.
“He has also, and so has Putin, spoken specifically about some kind of superweapon. Both sides have boasted publicly about a weapon that you couldn't even dream of.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:49:20.2-02:49:32.5 testimony first hand
762
Ross Coulthart identifies the superweapon boasted about by Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin as scalar technology.
“Scalar technology.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:49:40.5-02:49:41.1 opinion first hand
763
Ross Coulthart was worried for his family and freaked out after learning who ordered the killing of Jake Barber's team.
“Yeah, I was worried for my family. I was genuinely freaked out that I knew something that was a disgusting secret.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:50:45.8-02:50:54.2 testimony first hand
764
Ross Coulthart took steps to ensure that the names of those who ordered the killing of Jake Barber's team would become public if anything happened to him.
“somebody had ordered a hit and I took steps to make sure that if anything did happen to me, it would become public.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:50:56.0-02:51:04.2 testimony first hand
765
Jake Barber also took steps to ensure the information would become public if anything happened to him.
“And by the way, so did Jake.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:51:05.3-02:51:07.1 testimony second hand
766
Asked whether he would rather interview a reptilian, a Nordic, a grey or a mantis being, Ross Coulthart chose a reptilian.
“would you rather interview a reptilian a nordic or a gray and i'll throw mantis up there ... i have to admit i'm tempted to say a reptilian”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:51:43.1-02:51:53.0 opinion first hand
767
Ross Coulthart has spoken with many experiencers who purport to have had contact with beings, and from those accounts the reptilians appear to have a sense of humour.
“i talk to a lot of experiences people who purport to have had contact with beings and the reptilians seem to have a sense of humor”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:51:59.4-02:52:08.6 hearsay second hand
768
Arthur Koestler was a German philosopher.
“He was a German philosopher, and he wrote a book”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:52:28.4-02:52:30.1 testimony first hand
769
Arthur Koestler wrote a book arguing that a fault is built into the human being: an older reptilian brain with a more advanced hominid forebrain, the neocortex, built onto the front of it.
“he wrote a book about how there's essentially a fault built into the human being, that we are essentially a reptilian brain and a more advanced hominid brain, a forebrain that's been built onto the front of that reptilian brain, the neocortex.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:52:29.7-02:52:43.8 testimony second hand
770
Arthur Koestler theorised an incompatibility between the impulsive, emotional older reptilian brain and the newer human neocortex.
“he theorized that there's this incompatibility between that old reptilian brain, which is very impulsive and emotional, and this newer human neocortex.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:52:46.7-02:52:55.6 testimony second hand
771
After reading Arthur Koestler as a child, Ross Coulthart read the biology on the subject and concluded that humans retain a relic of their reptilian ancestors.
“And then going reading the biology about it and the fact that, yeah, we do. We've got a relic of our reptilian ancestors in our body.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:53:00.8-02:53:08.0 testimony first hand
772
Ross Coulthart suspects that human beings have killed the occupants of non-human craft that were being deliberately brought down.
“Chris Ramsay: Have we? Ross Coulthart: I suspect we have. Yeah, I suspect we have.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 line 362-373 opinion first hand
773
The United States Congress has developed momentum over the Epstein files, which Ross Coulthart contrasts with its lack of momentum on sworn Unidentified Aerial Phenomena testimony.
“Congress has developed a momentum with the Epstein files ... But the interesting thing is what's been revealed in UAP testimony under oath, deposed witnesses giving evidence to Congress.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 lines 179-183 opinion first hand
774
None of Ross Coulthart's sources are reporting any evidence that a disclosure announcement or presidential speech on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena is being prepared.
“I'm hearing no evidence from anyone. None of my sources are telling. ... I would have thought that some of my sources would have heard about it by now if there was a speech being prepared. And at the moment, I'm not hearing any suggestion that there is.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 lines 192-217 testimony first hand
775
Ross Coulthart considers politicians on both sides to leak constantly, to cover themselves or to score points against rivals.
“Both sides leak all the time. ... there is a problem with politicians that they do leak because they're covering their butts or they're trying to score a point against their rivals.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 lines 337-343 opinion first hand
776
Ross Coulthart regards his sources inside the legacy UFO programme as patriots and good people who are proud of what they do and want to serve their country.
“I mean, these people are patriots. ... These are good people. ... They want to serve their country, and they're proud of what they're doing.”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 lines 394-408 opinion first hand
777
Jonathan Caplan is a King's Counsel barrister who has practised law for over 50 years.
“He's a leading barrister, a King's Council, He's practiced for over 50 years”
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Jonathan Caplan acted in the case involving rogue trader Nick Leeson, who caused losses of $1.4 billion to Barings Bank.
“The rogue trader frauds of Nick Leeson, who took Baring's bank for $1.4 billion”
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Jonathan Caplan acted in the pension scandal fraud case involving media baron Robert Maxwell.
“media baron Robert Maxwell's pension scandal fraud”
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Jonathan Caplan was involved in the Leveson inquiry into the British press's conduct, including the phone hacking scandal.
“the Leveson inquiry into the British press's scandalous conduct, the phone hacking scandal”
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Jonathan Caplan is the author of the 2026 book Not For Disclosure: UFOs, the World's Best Kept Secret.
“John is the author of the 2026 book just out, Not For Disclosure, UFOs, the world's best kept secret”
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Jonathan Caplan has researched Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) for over 50 years.
“He has researched UAPs for over 50 years”
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Jonathan Caplan previously served on the editorial board of Flying Saucer Review.
“he's previously served on the editorial board of a leading international UFO journal”
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Ross Coulthart has spoken to Australian Special Forces personnel who told him they were seconded to the British Special Air Service (SAS) regiment and were dispatched on a retrieval mission.
“Australian Special Forces guys who've told me they were a secondment to 22 Hereford, the British SAS regiment, and they incidentally found themselves dispatched ... it was a retrieval”
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Jonathan Caplan delivered copies of Flying Saucer Review to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.
“you delivered copies of Flying Saucer Review to the Queen's husband, the Duke of Edinburgh.”
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Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, was murdered by the Irish Republican Army (IRA).
“Lord Louis Mountbatten, who sadly was murdered by the IRA”
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Jonathan Caplan's book describes a Royal Air Force officer who, while flying an aircraft in the 1930s, appeared to pass through some kind of portal where he saw men in coveralls and activity on an aerodrome that was inexplicable.
“a very senior British... RAF officer, Royalist Air Force officer, who's flying his aircraft, I think, in the 1930s. And he seems to go through some kind of a portal where he sees men in coveralls and activity on an aerodrome.”
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Ross Coulthart considers the Majestic 12 (MJ-12) files authentic beyond doubt.
“I mean, no doubt whatsoever that they are authentic.”
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Ross Coulthart is not fully convinced that some subsequent Majestic 12 (MJ-12) documents were not deliberately planted disinformation.
“I'm yet to be convinced fully that there's not ... the possibility that there might have been deliberate disinformation planted in some of the subsequent MJ-12 documents.”
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A document referred to as the Truman Directive of 24 September 1947 was leaked in around 1980 to two filmmakers, and the resulting documents became known as the Majestic 12 documents.
“There was a Truman Directive 24th of September 1947 in a document that was leaked in 1980 or so to two filmmakers. And those documents became known as the Majestic 12 documents”
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The provenance of the Majestic 12 documents is officially disputed by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the United States military.
“the provenance of which is still, of course, disputed officially by the FBI and the US military.”
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The Majestic 12 documents allegedly established Majestic 12 as the group responsible for the retrieval of non-human craft.
“they established allegedly Majestic 12 as the group responsible for the retrieval of non-human craft.”
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The Truman Directive of 24 September 1947 was issued at the request of Vannevar Bush and James Forrestal, the Secretary of Defense.
“It was issued at the request of Dr. Vannevar Bush and James Forrestal, the Secretary of Defense, as you've said.”
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Debunkers claim that James Jesus Angleton, head of counterintelligence for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), created the Majestic 12 documents to disinform the Soviets into believing the Americans had recovered alien technology.
“the documents were conceived by James Jesus Angleton, the notorious head of counterintelligence for the CIA, who on the account that's given by the debunkers, he supposedly created these documents to disinform the Soviets into the belief that the Americans had recovered alien technology.”
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Ross Coulthart does not accept the theory that James Jesus Angleton fabricated the Majestic 12 documents, given the vast trove of material and the detailed knowledge of names, details and events it would have required.
“it never washed with me because I can imagine creating, as you say, one document or a couple of documents or a few documents. This is a vast trove of material. And whoever conceived the documents clearly had a knowledge of names, details, events.”
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One of the Majestic 12 documents notes that at the time of a particular meeting the US president was at Blair House because the White House was being rebuilt, which Ross Coulthart considers an important corroborating detail.
“was it Truman or Eisenhower, one of the documents you talk about, the president was actually at Blair House because the White House was being rebuilt. And I thought that was a very important detail”
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James Forrestal and Vannevar Bush held a lunch with Henry Tizard, the chief scientific adviser to the UK Ministry of Defence, on 1 October 1947.
“They held a lunch, Forrestal and Bush, Vannevar Bush, held a lunch with the British scientist, Sir Henry Tizard, the chief scientific adviser to the UK Ministry of Defence. On, as you say, the 1st of October 1947”
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Henry Tizard had worked on cavity magnetron radar, which is how he was known to James Forrestal and Vannevar Bush.
“they knew each other because Tizard had worked on the radar, cavity magnetron radar.”
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Ross Coulthart considers it extremely unlikely that James Forrestal and Vannevar Bush did not brief Henry Tizard on Majestic 12 (MJ-12) and the UFO issue at their October 1947 meeting.
“it's unlikely in the extreme that they didn't brief Tizard on the UFOs issue on Majestic.”
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Jonathan Caplan examined the typography, printing, format, watermarks and terminology of the Majestic 12 documents, along with corroboration from other diaries, to verify their provenance.
“You've looked at the typography, the printing, the format, the watermarks, the terminology used, the corroboration from other diaries.”
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Jonathan Caplan has spent a large part of his career investigating corporate fraud, corporate misfeasance, and criminal fraud.
“somebody who's spent a large part of your career investigating corporate frauds, corporate misfeasance, criminal frauds”
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Many of the classic Majestic 12 documents came via Timothy Cooper, a United States Marine Corps veteran.
“So a lot of the classic MJ-12 documents came via a gentleman called Tim Cooper, Timothy Cooper, who was a US Marine Corps veteran”
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Timothy Cooper's father ran the reproduction and graphics department at Holloman Air Force Base and printed classified material.
“His dad ran the reproduction and graphics at Holloman Air Force Base and printed classified material.”
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Jonathan Caplan obtained key new documents that had been held by Ryan Wood, a keeper of the Majestic 12 archive.
“And you've obtained key new documents that were held by Ryan Wood, who's one of the keepers of the MJ-12 archive.”
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Ross Coulthart considers it his understanding that senior public servants are briefed by the Americans on Majestic 12-related matters, but it is very rare for elected politicians to be briefed in.
“it suggests that there are and this is certainly my understanding that there are senior public servants who are briefed in by the americans but that it's very rare for politicians to be briefed in”
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Ross Coulthart spoke to two former living Australian prime ministers who swore they had never been briefed on anything relating to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“i've spoken to two former living australian prime ministers and they swear black and blue that they've never been read into any anything relating to uaps”
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A senior Australian intelligence figure hinted darkly to Ross Coulthart that he knows something about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) but cannot talk about it.
“one very senior intelligence mandarin here in australia and he's hinted very darkly that he does know something but he can't talk about it”
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Ross Coulthart considers that the Americans feel more comfortable sharing information with permanent senior public servants than with elected politicians, whom they pejoratively call temporary employees.
“i suspect those kind of backroom briefings are still going on that the americans feel a lot more comfortable sharing with permanent senior public servants than they do sharing with what they've pejoratively called temporary employees elected politicians”
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The first newly found Majestic 12 document contains a claim that a non-human intelligence (NHI) craft was forced to land at the White Sands Proving Ground.
“there was a claim in that first document, I think, that talked about the crashing of an NHI craft, the idea that there was an alien craft that was forced to land the White Sands Proving Ground.”
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In the 1948 Mantell UFO incident, a fighter pilot flying a P-51 Mustang as high as approximately 6,000 metres attempted to intercept a metallic craft.
“it also references the Mantell case, which is where a fighter pilot was flying, I think a P-51 Mustang, as high as possible, 20,000 feet, to try and intercept a metallic craft.”
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The 1948 Mantell UFO incident has over the years been dispelled and debunked as the pilot merely chasing a cloud.
“And it's been dispelled and debunked over the years that he was merely chasing a cloud.”
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The newly found Majestic 12 document suggests that the 1948 Mantell UFO incident involved the pilot chasing a real non-human craft.
“The document suggests the Mantell case was indeed chasing a real non-human craft.”
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Richard Drain's name appears prominently throughout the latest tranche of released UFO files.
“the fact that Drain, Richard Drain's name, is all over the latest tranche of UFO files.”
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Richard Drain played a principal role in the 1953 policy decision, made after the 1953 Robertson Panel, to debunk UFOs and use stigma, ridicule and taboo to disengage public interest in the subject.
“He's very prominently featured in the coverage from the 1953 decision after the Robertson panel. to essentially debunk UFOs, like he played a principal role in the decision, the policy decision, to essentially play down the UFO subject and to use stigma and ridicule and taboo to try to disengage public interest, to stop the public from looking at the UFO subject.”
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Jonathan Caplan used Harry S. Truman's and Dwight D. Eisenhower's diaries to help corroborate the provenance of the newly found Majestic 12 documents.
“I understand, for example, Truman and Eisenhower's diaries had useful information to help you corroborate.”
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The document concerning the Advanced Contact Group meeting at Holloman Air Force Base implies there was some kind of contact with an Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and its occupants, an alien spacecraft.
“The inference there is that there was some kind of contact with a UAP and its occupants, an alien spacecraft.”
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Douglas Caddy was a lawyer for E. Howard Hunt.
“So Watergate principal Howard Hunt had a lawyer called Douglas Caddy.”
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David Lamar Christ was a senior Central Intelligence Agency scientist.
“very senior CIA scientist, Christ Christ.”
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David Lamar Christ was imprisoned in Cuba around the time of the Bay of Pigs Invasion.
“he was imprisoned in Cuba at around the time of the Bay of Pigs.”
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There was genuine concern inside the Central Intelligence Agency that David Lamar Christ would reveal what he knew.
“there was genuine concern inside the CIA that Christ would basically reveal what he knew.”
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Ross Coulthart considers it implied that David Lamar Christ was aware of the alien presence, as E. Howard Hunt alluded to in his conversation with Douglas Caddy.
“the implication is that he was aware of the alien presence, as Howard Hunt alluded in his conversation with Douglas Caddy.”
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Ross Coulthart considers it fascinating that the primary motivation for the Watergate burglary, which brought down Richard Nixon, might have been an attempt to conceal what they knew about penetration of UFO secrets.
“The thing I find fascinating is that the primary motivation for the Watergate burglary, the very thing that brought down Richard Nixon, might have been an attempt to conceal what they knew about penetration of the UFO secrets.”
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David Grush said it was highly significant to him that the 1971 US-Soviet UAP hotline agreement document had been declassified and that he could talk about it because it was in the public domain.
“he pointed me to that particular document from the SALT talks, the 1971 agreement, and said that it was highly significant to him that that document had been declassified and he couldn't quite believe that it was in the public domain and that he was able to talk about it”
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The 1971 US-Soviet UAP hotline agreement document specifically mentions UAPs.
“It specifically mentions UAPs.”
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Under the 1971 US-Soviet UAP hotline agreement, in the event of either the Soviets or the Americans seeing a UAP, they would interdict in order to ensure there was no misapprehension that it was one side attacking the other.
“that in the event of either of them seeing a UAP, they would interdict in order to ensure that there was no misapprehension, that it was one side attacking the other.”
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The Lancer document was purportedly retrieved from a burning fireplace.
“a document that was purportedly retrieved from a burning fireplace, so-called Lancer document.”
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The Lancer document is an overt expression of intention by members of the alleged Majestic 12 (MJ-12) group to murder the President of the United States, John F. Kennedy.
“It is chilling because it's an overt expression of intention by members of the alleged MJ-12 to murder the President of the United States.”
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Lancer was the Secret Service code name for John F. Kennedy.
“The President Lancer, that was the code name, the Secret Service code name for JFK”
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The Lancer document states that John F. Kennedy was making inquiries which could not be allowed, and suggests action "critical to the continuance of the group".
“Lancer is making inquiries which we cannot allow and suggesting action, quote, critical to the continuance of the group.”
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The Lancer document suggests there may need to be an operation that is "wet", CIA terminology for murdering somebody.
“The suggestion is that there may need to be an operation that is wet, i.e. CIA terminology for murdering somebody.”
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Ross Coulthart's first reaction on reading the Lancer document was that he thought it had to be a fake because it was such an overt expression of what sounds like something out of a spy movie.
“I mean, when I first read that document, John, I have to admit, I thought this has got to be a fake because it's such an overt expression of what sounds like something out of a spy movie.”
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Marilyn Monroe was having an affair with President John F. Kennedy.
“Marilyn Monroe, who, of course, was the beautiful starlet who was having an affair with JFK, President Kennedy.”
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Ross Coulthart was recently apprised of an incident from towards the end of the Cold War in which an American astronaut was sent to the Soviet Union to collaborate in the retrieval of a non-human craft.
“I was recently apprised of an incident that took place towards the end of the Cold War, when there was the beginning of a rapprochement between the Russians and the Americans, where an American astronaut was actually sent across to the Soviet Union to collaborate in a retrieval of a non-human craft.”
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Thomas Stafford was the American astronaut involved in the Cold War-era retrieval collaboration with the Soviet Union.
“Stafford was the astronaut involved.”
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Bill Clinton, as president, was apprised of the knowledge of the incident in which a non-human craft landed in the Russian Federation by arrangement.
“Is the implication there that Bill Clinton as president was apprised of the knowledge of this incident? My understanding is that it is yes.”
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Bill Clinton dispatched Webster Hubbell, one of his attorneys, in connection with his interest in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“I know he did dispatch one of his attorneys, Webster Hubble, a controversial fellow who was subsequently convicted for fraud.”
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Webster Hubbell was subsequently convicted for fraud.
“a controversial fellow who was subsequently convicted for fraud”
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Bill Clinton, as president, took a close interest in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and asked questions about whether the United States had retrieved craft, without getting anywhere.
“I know President Clinton did take a very close interest in UAPs in his time as president, and he did ask questions about whether America... had retrieved craft and didn't really get anywhere.”
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Ross Coulthart considers that Bill Clinton's interest in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) may explain why Hillary Clinton, when she subsequently ran for the presidency, was determined to try to get to the truth about the subject herself.
“it's interesting because that might explain why Hillary Clinton, when she subsequently ran for the presidency, was so determined to try and get to the truth herself”
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Haim Eshed, the former Israel Space Agency boss, made allegations in an interview with an Israeli Hebrew-language newspaper of a Galactic Federation, of recovered craft, and of United States collaboration in the recovery and reverse engineering of non-human technology.
“the claims of Haim Eshed, the former Israeli space agency boss, who very controversially gave an interview to an Israeli newspaper, Hebrew language newspaper, in which he made extraordinary allegations of a galactic federation of recovered craft, of US collaboration in the recovery of and reverse engineering of non-human technology”
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Ross Coulthart was not sure he would feel 100% confident about Haim Eshed's mental capacities after watching the video interview with Uri Geller.
“I wasn't quite sure that I would feel 100% about Haim's mental capacities.”
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Ross Coulthart tried to find out more about Haim Eshed's claims in Israel and did not have much luck.
“I was intrigued that you, like me, had tried to find out more in Israel and not had much luck.”
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The British Condign Report examined plasma as an explanation for the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) mystery.
“one of the great reports into UAPs, interestingly enough, and it's often overlooked, was the Condign Report, the British Condign Report. And it looked at plasma as an explanation for the UAP mystery.”
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David Grush, in his presentation on the steps of the United States Congress, mentioned sentient plasmoids among the life forms he was aware of, when asked by a reporter about life forms.
“David Grusch, in the presentation that he gave on the steps of the Congress, when he was asked by one reporter about the life forms that he was aware of, one of the things that he mentioned was sentient plasmoids.”
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Ross Coulthart is aware of ongoing research involving sentient plasmoids being conducted covertly by a team.
“I'm aware also of ongoing research involving sentient plasmoids by a team that's working currently covertly.”
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The British Condign Report inferred findings about plasma similar to David Grush's mention of sentient plasmoids, some 20 to 30 years earlier.
“The Condign Report inferred pretty much the same thing, didn't it, 20, 30 years ago?”
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David Grush talked about agreements he was able to discuss under Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) clearance, potentially involving foreign adversary powers or non-human intelligence regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“David Grusch, for example, talked about agreements that he was able to talk about in his DOPSA. the idea that there are agreements potentially either with foreign adversary powers about UAPs or perhaps even with NHI.”
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Jonathan Caplan holds the title KC (King's Counsel).
“John Caplan KC, it's been an honor to speak with you.”
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Ross Coulthart is a veteran Australian reporter who became a leading UFO disclosure journalist.
“[note: Ross Coulthart - Veteran Australian reporter turned leading disclosure journalist]”
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A Russian woman who was an opera singer inherited files from her father, whom she had believed to be a janitor, on his death, including a book of diagrams of UFOs and unconventional science; her account was featured on Ross Coulthart's programme.
“There was this lady. She was like this opera singer. Her father was a janitor, what she thought was a janitor. And then when he died, he left her with all of these files. And it's a book filled with diagrams of UFOs and, like, trippy science.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:38:19.0-00:38:34.0 hearsay second hand
851
Gene Sticco is the person associated with the inherited Russian UFO diagram files discussed on Ross Coulthart's programme.
“Oh, Gene Sticco”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:38:37.8-00:38:38.1 administrative
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Ross Coulthart told Chris Ramsay that nobody has publicly called the inherited Russian UFO diagram files fake and there have been no debunks of them.
“Ross told me to this day, no one's been like, oh, that's fake. Or, like, there was no, there's been no debunks.”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 00:38:43.1-00:38:49.2 hearsay second hand
853
People inside the government's UFO cover-up have told Ross Coulthart the President of the United States is regarded as a temporary employee by those controlling the information.
“I mean, I think there has been times where people I've spoken to inside this cover up have told me the president is regarded as a temporary employee.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:08:14.4-00:08:25.2 hearsay second hand
854
JNAP 146 criminalised military and civilian pilots in the United States and Canada from talking about UFO sightings.
“what's called JNAP 146, where it essentially criminalised military and civilian pilots in the US and unbelievably also in Canada from even talking about UFO sightings.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:14:26.8-00:14:39.3 administrative first hand
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David Grusch is a whistleblower who came from inside the United States Department of Defense and the intelligence community.
“David Grusch is a whistleblower who goes much further. He's come from inside the Defense Department, the intelligence community”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:16:57.8-00:17:05.2 administrative first hand
856
David Grusch revealed the existence of a legacy UFO non-human technology retrieval and reverse engineering programme.
“he revealed the existence of a legacy UFO non-human technology retrieval and reverse engineering program.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:17:06.4-00:17:16.7 testimony second hand
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The idea behind the alleged programme is that the United States has recovered alien, non-human technology.
“The idea being that the United States has recovered alien technology, non-human technology.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:17:17.8-00:17:24.1 testimony second hand
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Phil McGraw considers it a patronising view that the American public is too fragile to be told about non-human intelligence.
“I happen to think that that's a very patronizing view and that Americans are ready.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:23:45.3-00:23:49.7 opinion first hand
859
Searches for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) increased by approximately 400% after Phil McGraw began discussing the topic.
“I was amused to see that searches for UAPs, I think it went up 400% when you started talking about it.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:27:13.8-00:27:20.7 measurement first hand
860
Phil McGraw considers that there has been a cover-up of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) issue by the government, which the government continues to deny.
“But it's quite clear that there has been a cover up of the UAP issue.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:27:39.8-00:27:43.3 opinion first hand
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Ross Coulthart considers it likely that Phil McGraw will get an opportunity in the next few months to speak with President Donald Trump.
“You're very likely, sir, to get an opportunity at some stage in the next few months to speak with President Trump.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:31:05.0-00:31:10.2 opinion first hand
862
Ross Coulthart knows of people in the White House administration who are considering giving the American public information about what the government knows regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“I do know that there are people in the White House administration. I suspect we've spoken to the same people who are toying with the idea of giving the American public information about what the government knows.”
Dr. Phil read the UAP files before the public, here's what he found | Reality Check 2026-07-21 00:31:20.9-00:31:34.5 testimony first hand
863
Skywatcher is a Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) investigation group co-founded by Jake Barber, James Fowler, and financier Alex Klokus.
“one of the questions we get asked the most on Reality Check is what happened to Skywatcher, the UAP investigation group founded, co-founded by Jake Barber, James Fowler and financier Alex Clocus”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:00:39.4-00:00:56.8 administrative first hand
864
Skywatcher's last post on social media was on 2024-12-25 when it reaffirmed its commitment to applying disciplined science, advanced sensing and rigorous analysis to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“The last time Skywatcher posted on Twitter X was Christmas Day last year, where it reaffirmed its commitment to applying disciplined science, advanced sensing and rigorous analysis to the UAP subject.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:00:58.5-00:01:14.8 observation first hand
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No posts have been published on the skywatcher.ai website since James Fowler left the organisation in mid-August 2024 to pursue a new opportunity in aerial intelligence.
“there's been nothing posted on the skywatcher.ai website since James Fowler left in mid-August last year to follow what he described as a new opportunity in aerial intelligence.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:01:16.2-00:01:30.8 observation first hand
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Skywatcher proposed using electromechanical signalling (called the dog whistle) and neuro-meditative interaction (known as psionic summoning) to seek to validate the existence of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“Skywatcher promised that it would seek to validate the existence of UAPs by using what it calls electromechanical signaling, aka the dog whistle. and neuro-meditative interaction, better known as psionic summoning or inviting of UAPs.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:01:43.1-00:02:03.0 observation first hand
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Based on observations from a base at Sierra Blanca, southeast of El Paso, Texas, the Skywatcher team reported identifying nine separate classes of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) using sensors and video cameras.
“Most dramatically, based on observations from a base here in Sierra Blanca, southeast of El Paso, Texas, the Skywatcher team reported they'd identified nine separate classes of UAP with their sensors and video cameras.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:02:05.1-00:02:24.2 observation first hand
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Skywatcher identified nine separate classes of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP): Tetra, 2004 USS Nimitz UAP encounter-type, Blob, Beam, Manta Ray, Bright Star, Jellyfish, Hornet, and Egg.
“the Tetra, the Tic Tac, the Blob, the Beam, the Manta Ray, the Bright Star, the Jellyfish, the Hornet, and the Egg.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:02:25.6-00:02:40.7 observation first hand
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Skywatcher ceased field operations in July 2024.
“I understand there's been no Skywatcher field operations since July last year”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:03:00.2-00:03:05.9 observation second hand
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By the time of Skywatcher's last July 2024 field operation, the team was working with and reporting to National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Department of Defense (DoD), and several intelligence agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
“Multiple insiders have told me by the time of that last July field operation, Skywatcher was actually working with and reporting to a number of government agencies, including NASA, the Department of Defence and several intelligence agencies, including the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:03:12.7-00:03:37.7 hearsay second hand
871
At 11:30 PM on 2026-02-10, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) dramatically closed airspace over El Paso Airport in Southern Texas without adequate warning to government agencies.
“At 11.30pm or thereabouts on the 10th of February, the Federal Aviation Administration dramatically closed the airspace over El Paso without any or adequate warning to government agencies.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:08:14.4-00:08:29.4 observation first hand
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The public was initially told that Mexican organised crime cartel drones were breaching airspace over El Paso, Texas.
“The public was initially told Mexican organized crime cartel drones were breaching the airspace with their drones.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:08:35.4-00:08:43.8 testimony
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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced a 10-day shutdown of airspace over El Paso without adequate notice to local authorities.
“And with next to no notice to local authorities, the FAA shut a massive area over El Paso for what they said would be a 10 day shutdown.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:08:44.8-00:08:56.1 testimony first hand
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The explanation that Mexican cartels breached El Paso airspace, prompting the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) closure, was inconsistent with established patterns, as Mexican cartels frequently fly drones over the United States border yet airspace closures are rarely or never imposed in response.
“This cartel drones explanation never really made any sense. As my NewsNation border correspondent colleague Ali Bradley has detailed many times, the Mexican cartels frequently fly their drones over the US border and airspace is rarely, if ever, shut down because of these frequent incursions.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:09:39.7-00:10:01.8 opinion first hand
875
Department of Defense (DoD) officials were present during the El Paso airspace closure incident.
“It acknowledged Defence Department officials were present during the incident.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:10:41.2-00:10:45.8 observation
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Neither the Department of Defense (DoD), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), nor the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) offered further comment on the El Paso incident.
“Neither the Defence Department nor Homeland Security nor the FAA offered any further comment.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:10:47.3-00:10:54.4 observation first hand
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Approximately seven hours after the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) imposed the El Paso airspace shutdown on 2026-02-10, the restriction was lifted early the following morning around 07:00.
“Then just seven hours after the FAA imposed its El Paso shutdown, the restriction was lifted early the next morning around 7am.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:11:07.1-00:11:18.1 observation first hand
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Republican Texas Senator Ted Cruz, chairman of the United States Senate Commerce Committee that oversees the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), demanded a classified briefing on what happened during the El Paso airspace closure.
“Republican Texas Senator Ted Cruz, the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee that oversees the FAA, demanded a classified briefing on what really happened.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:11:28.0-00:11:40.2 observation first hand
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Senator Jack Reid of Rhode Island, the top Democrat on the United States Senate Armed Services Committee, rejected the administration's explanation for the El Paso airspace closure.
“Senator Jack Reid of Rhode Island, the top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, rejected the administration's explanation.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:11:44.8-00:11:52.8 testimony first hand
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As of 2026-08-09, no member of Congress has publicly revealed what they were told in the classified briefings regarding the El Paso airspace closure.
“Six months on, no one in Congress has ever revealed anything about what they were told in those classified briefings.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:11:55.5-00:12:05.6 observation first hand
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A Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) notice, a Notices to Airmen (NOTAM) safety advisory to aviators, was posted by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on 2025-11-08, closing a massive area of airspace southeast of El Paso through 2026-11-07.
“This is a NOTAM, a safety advisory to aviators, posted by the Federal Aviation Administration on 8th November last year. closing a massive area of airspace southeast of El Paso right through to the 7th November this year.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:12:22.9-00:12:42.8 observation first hand
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The Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) notice designated the affected area as national defence airspace, warning pilots that any breach would result in interception, detention, and interview, and authorised the United States government to use deadly force if the aircraft posed an imminent threat to security.
“It deemed this area as national defence airspace, warning pilots that any breach of the airspace would allow them to be intercepted, detained and interviewed. It authorized the US government to use deadly force if the aircraft posed an imminent threat to security.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:12:44.3-00:13:06.2 observation second hand
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The Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) affected the area known as Sierra Blanca, which is exactly where Skywatcher was conducting operations until July 2024.
“And here's where things start getting very interesting, because this area known as Sierra Blanca is exactly where Skywatcher was doing its operations until July last year.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:13:08.7-00:13:21.9 observation first hand
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Months after Skywatcher ceased official operations at Sierra Blanca, the Department of Defense (DoD) shut down airspace in that area via a Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR).
“Months after Skywatcher ceased official operations at Sierra Blanca, the Defence Department shut down their airspace.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:13:23.4-00:13:31.7 observation first hand
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The Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) placed over Sierra Blanca on 2025-11-08 was cancelled on 2025-11-14.
“But something happened to reverse this decision, because this TFR was cancelled six days later on the 14th of November, 2025.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:13:33.6-00:13:43.0 observation first hand
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The Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) over Sierra Blanca was initiated by the Department of Defense (DoD)'s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) liaison to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), stated as being imposed to shoot down drones.
“I've also learned that the TFR, the shutdown, was initiated by the Defence Department's Joint Special Operations Command, liaison to the FAA, and that it was imposed to, quote, shoot down drones.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:14:03.8-00:14:20.4 hearsay second hand
887
The one-year-long airspace closure via Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) over Sierra Blanca effectively shut down any further Skywatcher operations over the Sierra Blanca range.
“There is no doubt that this one year long airspace closure effectively shut down any further Skywatcher operations over the Sierra Blanca range.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:14:33.0-00:14:45.3 opinion first hand
888
During Skywatcher's psionic summoning and dog whistle operations at Sierra Blanca in 2025, including in July 2025, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) swarms began appearing in great numbers over the White Sands Missile Range, approximately 320 kilometres northwest of El Paso.
“Defence sources tell me that their observers were watching on during Skywatch's Sierra Blanca operation, and they made a major discovery during Skywatch's psionic summoning and dog whistle operations during 2025, including in that last July 2025 test. At exactly the same time that Skywatcher was doing its operations at Sierra Blanca, 200 miles to the northwest, UAP swarms suddenly began appearing in great numbers over the White Sands missile range to the northwest of El Paso.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:15:25.3-00:16:13.3 hearsay second hand
889
The United States Department of Defense's White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico is approximately 160 kilometres north of El Paso.
“The U.S. Defense Department's white sand missile range in New Mexico, known as Wisma, is north of El Paso”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:16:15.3-00:16:23.0 administrative first hand
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The first atomic bomb, code-named Trinity, was detonated at White Sands Missile Range on 1945-07-16 (approximately 81 years before 2026).
“81 years ago, the first atomic bomb north of El Code named Trinity was test detonated at Wisma.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:16:30.4-00:16:36.4 administrative first hand
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At the end of the Second World War, the United States tested 100 captured German V2 rockets at White Sands Missile Range.
“At the end of World War II is where the US tested 100 captured German V2 rockets.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:16:37.9-00:16:46.0 administrative first hand
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Holloman Air Force Base borders White Sands Missile Range to the east and has long been speculated to be the scene of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena (AAV) sightings.
“Holloman Air Force Base, also long speculated to be the scene of anomalous craft sightings, borders Wismar to the east.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:16:47.6-00:16:55.1 opinion first hand
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White Sands Missile Range is the premier military test range in the United States and is the birthplace of United States missile and space technology.
“White Sands is the premier military test range in America, the birthplace of the US missile and space technology.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:16:56.7-00:17:05.2 administrative first hand
894
Any disruption of White Sands Missile Range's airspace by Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) or unidentified objects is a major national security threat.
“Any disruption of Wismer's airspace by UAPs, unidentified objects of any kind, is a major national security threat.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:17:06.9-00:17:17.5 opinion first hand
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Skywatcher has been dissolved as a business entity.
“While it appears that Skywatcher is indeed defunct, it's been dissolved as a business entity,”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:17:19.7-00:17:26.0 observation first hand
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Key individuals from the Skywatcher team are likely now working with the Department of Defense (DoD) at White Sands Missile Range.
“I suspect key individuals from the Skywatcher team are now working with the Defence War Department at the White Sands range.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:17:27.3-00:17:38.0 opinion first hand
897
From November 2025 to August 2026, the United States government in a joint operation with multiple intelligence and defense agencies has been using Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFR) airspace shutdowns to conduct its own Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) intercept operations.
“I'm told that from November last year until now The United States government in a joint operation with multiple intelligence and defense agencies has been using these airspace shutdowns, these TFRs to do its own UAP intercept operations.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:17:43.8-00:18:08.4 hearsay second hand
898
The United States government has been summoning, detecting, and shooting down what others call drones or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) via the airspace shutdowns.
“Yes, they have been summoning, detecting and yes, shooting down what we some call drones, others UAPs.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:18:10.0-00:18:23.1 hearsay second hand
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The airspace closures were implemented to provide the government with a secure location from which it could summon, detect, and shoot down Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) or craft, preventing non-government activity in the area.
“The airspace was closed to stop any other non-government activity so that the government had a secure location from where it could summon, detect and shoot down UAPs, craft.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:18:25.3-00:18:41.4 hearsay second hand
900
The Department of Defense (DoD) is using electromechanical signalling (dog whistle) and neuro-meditative interaction (psionic summoning) techniques identical to those used by the Skywatcher team at Sierra Blanca.
“I'm told the Defense Department is using the same so-called dog whistle (electromechanical signalling) and psionic summoners (neuromedative interraction) as Skywatch's team was doing at Sierra Blanca.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:18:46.2-00:19:03.2 hearsay second hand
901
If members of Skywatcher are working with the Department of Defense (DoD), this may explain why Skywatcher has ceased public communications.
“It also perhaps explains why, if members of Skywatcher are working with the Defence Department, why Skywatcher has gone very quiet.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:19:04.4-00:19:14.8 opinion first hand
902
The Department of Defense (DoD) has taken on the running of its own covert operation to intercept mystery objects.
“The Department of War has quite literally taken on the running of its own covert operation to intercept these mystery objects.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:19:16.5-00:19:27.3 hearsay second hand
903
The Department of Defense (DoD) has recently downed objects or craft both in the United States and across the border near Juárez, Mexico.
“And I'm told they have recently downed objects, craft, both in the US and across the border near Juarez in Mexico.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:19:29.5-00:19:41.7 hearsay second hand
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President Donald Trump has personally authorised the Department of Defense (DoD) operation to intercept and recover Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“I am also told by White House sources that President Trump has personally authorized this operation.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:19:43.9-00:19:51.3 hearsay second hand
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The absence of a full admission to the public about the full extent of what the government knows may be explained by President Trump's authorisation of this operation.
“which perhaps explains why no full admission has yet been made to the public about the full extent of what the government really knows.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:19:53.1-00:20:03.7 opinion first hand
906
There is a full-on effort underway by the Trump administration to recover suspected Non-human Intelligence (NHI) exotic technology in a program totally separate from the legacy program.
“There is a full-on effort underway by the administration to recover suspected non-human intelligence exotic technology in a program totally separate from the so-called legacy program.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:20:05.4-00:20:21.5 hearsay second hand
907
This effort represents an attempt by the president to circumvent the legacy program.
“This is an attempt by the president to circumvent the legacy program.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:20:22.6-00:20:27.2 opinion first hand
908
The operation has been run from the White House by the president's most senior intelligence advisors.
“It's been run out of the White House by the President's most senior intelligence advisors.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:20:28.9-00:20:34.2 hearsay second hand
909
President Donald Trump has tasked Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth with determining what the detected objects are and capturing them.
“President Trump has tasked the Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, to find out what these objects are and to capture them.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:20:36.2-00:20:45.5 hearsay second hand
910
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) is involved in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) interception operation.
“The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, ODNI, is also involved.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:20:46.7-00:20:52.3 hearsay second hand
911
One of the directed energy weapons systems used at White Sands to attempt to shoot down mystery craft is called high-power microwave (HPM), which shuts down an aircraft by emitting an intense burst of electromagnetic energy that travels at the speed of light, penetrates the aircraft, and fries its electronic systems.
“Sources have told me that one of the directed energy weapons systems used at White Sands in an attempt to shoot down these mystery craft is what's called high pulse microwave. It shuts down an aircraft by emitting an intense burst of electromagnetic energy that travels at the speed of light, penetrates the aircraft and fries its electronic systems.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:20:54.5-00:21:20.4 hearsay second hand
912
The objects, craft, or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) being targeted over White Sands Missile Range definitely show anomalous properties conforming to the five observables that define UAP.
“My sources tell me that the craft, objects, UAPs, whatever you want to call them, are being targeted over white sands and they definitely show anomalous properties conforming to the five observables that define UAPs.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:21:21.5-00:21:38.6 hearsay second hand
913
The observed objects at White Sands have no visible means of propulsion such as jets, turbines, propellers, or rocket motors.
“There's no visible means of propulsion, no jets, no turbines, no propellers, no rocket motors.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:21:40.1-00:21:45.6 observation second hand
914
The observed objects at White Sands demonstrate instantaneous maneuvers, hypersonic velocities, and stealth mode capabilities.
“They have instantaneous maneuvers, hypersonic velocities, stealth mode.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:21:46.5-00:21:51.2 observation second hand
915
President Donald Trump may not be receiving the full story about what is being recovered in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation.
“What's concerning is that I'm being told the president is not getting the full story about what's being recovered.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:21:52.6-00:22:00.3 opinion second hand
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There is a concern that President Trump is being misled with an explanation that the detected objects are foreign adversary drones.
“there's a concern he's being snowed with an explanation that these are just foreign adversary drones.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:22:01.7-00:22:08.9 opinion second hand
917
It is being considered as a possibility that some of the detected objects may be Chinese or other foreign adversary drones conducting intelligence or surveillance on White Sands Missile Range, one of the United States' most sensitive military test ranges.
“It's being considered as a possibility, I'm told, that some of these objects may be Chinese or other foreign adversary drones doing intelligence or surveillance on what is one of America's most sensitive military test ranges.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:22:10.8-00:22:27.5 hearsay second hand
918
What is being detected at White Sands is far beyond any known conventional human technology.
“But what is being detected is without doubt far beyond any known conventional human technology.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:22:28.6-00:22:35.1 opinion first hand
919
If the detected objects are Chinese spy drones, then China has developed super-advanced stealth propulsion systems with no visible means of propulsion.
“If these are Chinese spy drones, then the Chinese have cracked super advanced stealth propulsion systems with no visible means of propulsion.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:22:36.7-00:22:47.4 opinion first hand
920
There is a fear that the secret operation authorised and being run by the White House on the orders of the president is compromised, with some people in the multiple agencies brought into this operation being part of the covert legacy program that has been retrieving and attempting to reverse engineer Non-human Intelligence (NHI) craft for decades.
“The fear also is that this secret operation authorized and being run by the White House on the orders of the president is compromised. That some of the people in the multiple agencies brought into this now massive operation are part of the covert legacy program that has been retrieving and attempting to reverse engineer NHI craft for decades.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:22:49.2-00:23:15.4 opinion second hand
921
President Trump wants the United States to have and to know all about exotic technologies derived from Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“Understandably, the President wants the US to have and to know all about these exotic technologies.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:23:17.6-00:23:24.0 opinion first hand
922
There is a question as to whether President Trump is being told the full story by those he trusts to keep him briefed on the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation.
“But is he being told the full story by those he trusts to keep him briefed?”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:23:25.9-00:23:32.3 opinion first hand
923
President Trump is not being told the full story about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation.
“I'm told he's not.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:23:33.8-00:23:35.3 hearsay second hand
924
If President Trump intends to disclose to the public what the government is discovering over White Sands Missile Range, this would represent a potentially huge development for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure.
“If the president intends to disclose to the public, what they're discovering over at White Sands, then this is potentially a huge development for UAP disclosure.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:23:37.4-00:23:49.3 opinion first hand
925
What President Trump plans to do with the information recovered from the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation and the exotic technology recovered is not yet clear.
“But what he plans to do with the information he gets and the exotic technology he recovers is not yet clear.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:23:50.6-00:24:00.1 observation first hand
926
The object detected and fired upon over El Paso, Texas that initiated the public explanation for the airspace closure was not a party balloon or a cartel drone, but was definitely anomalous.
“And by the way, I'm told the object that was detected and fired at over El Paso, Texas that started all the public hullabaloo was most definitely not a party balloon or a cartel drone. It was most definitely anomalous.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:24:02.1-00:24:22.7 hearsay second hand
927
Ross Coulthart suspects Skywatcher had no choice in co-operating with government entities, as their operations were effectively shut down when the Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) was placed over Sierra Blanca.
“I can't speak for Skywatcher, but I suspect they had no choice. I think the simple fact is that Their operation was effectively shut down when the TFR was put over the Sierra Blanca range.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:24:38.6-00:24:51.8 opinion first hand
928
Skywatcher was planning additional field operations before the Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) shut down Sierra Blanca airspace.
“They were planning more operations. I'm very sure of that. Multiple people have told me that.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:24:52.8-00:24:57.4 hearsay second hand
929
Skywatcher has private equity funders who sought a return on their investment and the government offering an opportunity was appealing to the organisation.
“And frankly, they have private equity funders who wanted a bang for their buck and the government was offering them their opportunity.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:25:01.7-00:25:08.3 observation first hand
930
If President Trump is genuinely using the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation to eventually inform the public, this represents a laudable initiative.
“If the president is genuinely doing this for the purposes of informing the public eventually, I think it's a laudable initiative.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:25:16.0-00:25:22.6 opinion first hand
931
Ross Coulthart's sources expressed concern that President Trump is being told or led to believe that the detected objects are highly advanced Chinese drones.
“My understanding is he's being told or being led to believe that what's being detected are highly advanced Chinese drones.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:25:29.9-00:25:38.4 hearsay second hand
932
Ross Coulthart's sources indicated that one or two of the detected objects, particularly the Jellyfish type, may possibly be highly advanced Chinese drones, but not all of them.
“which I'm told is possibly the case for one or two of the objects, particularly the jellyfish, but not for all of the objects.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:25:39.5-00:25:47.8 hearsay second hand
933
Ross Coulthart shares Jake Barber's cynicism about Congress's genuine intent to be truthful with the public regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) matters.
“Look, I share Jake's cynicism about the genuine attempt, intent of Congress to actually be straight with the public.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:26:09.1-00:26:17.0 opinion first hand
934
Ross Coulthart believes there are people in Congress who know about the covert Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation and have been lying to the public and media about what they know.
“I'm pretty sure there are people in Congress that know about this covert operation and they've been lying to you and to me and to the general public about what they know.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:26:18.0-00:26:26.8 opinion first hand
935
The covert Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation has been concealed behind the explanation that it is an operation to down foreign adversary drones.
“I think that what's happened is that this has been concealed behind the excuse and the explanation that it was a covert operation to down mystery drones, foreign adversary drones.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:26:28.2-00:26:40.2 opinion first hand
936
The detected objects are not foreign adversary drones, and key members of Congress on oversight committees know this.
“They're not foreign adversary drones at all in the main, and they know that. And I suspect that there are key members of Congress, particularly on the key oversight committees, who know this very, very well.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:26:41.4-00:26:53.7 opinion first hand
937
The covert Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation puts a different complexion on the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Disclosure Initiative (PURSUE) released by the Trump administration.
“And frankly, it really does put a complexion on the whole PURSUE initiative.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:27:00.1-00:27:04.9 opinion first hand
938
If President Trump is being truthful with the public, he should offer an explanation as to whether the King Air aircraft that was downed over or near White Sands Missile Range was hit by high-power microwave (HPM) weapons or any kind of weaponry being used in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operations.
“If the president's being straight with us, he will offer an explanation as to whether, for example, the King Air aircraft that was downed over or near White Sands whether that aircraft was hit by HPM weapons or any kind of weaponry that was being used in one of these operations.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:27:06.0-00:27:25.0 opinion first hand
939
Ross Coulthart's sources indicate that civilian aircraft have been accidentally brought down by high-power microwave (HPM) weapons during legacy Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operations conducted in other parts of the United States targeting Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) craft.
“I'm told from my own sources that there have been craft incidentally brought down, civilian aircraft brought down as an accident by high pulse microwaves during legacy operations that have taken place in other parts of the United States targeting UAP craft.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:27:26.7-00:27:49.9 hearsay second hand
940
The Pentagon and White House currently maintain the position that they do not yet know what the detected objects are but are doing their best to investigate them.
“I know this is a big stretch for people because frankly at the moment we still have the mythology where the Pentagon, the White House are pushing the line that we still don't know what these objects are but we're doing our level best to investigate them.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:27:51.0-00:28:03.1 testimony
941
The Pentagon and White House are far better informed than they are publicly letting on regarding the objects.
“They're far better informed than they're letting on”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:03.9-00:28:06.4 opinion first hand
942
The government may have made the decision to conduct covert Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operations for national security reasons.
“it may very well be they've taken the decision that they need to do this for national security imperatives.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:06.7-00:28:10.9 opinion first hand
943
The concern is that the government is putting civilians at risk by conducting the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operations with dangerous weaponry.
“what I can't understand is why they're putting civilians at risk”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:14.3-00:28:18.2 opinion first hand
944
A weapon used by the White Sands Missile Range accidentally caused the deaths of four people in a medevac aircraft.
“We now know that a weapon used by the White Sands Mistral Range accidentally caused the deaths of four people in a medevac aircraft.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:19.3-00:28:29.6 testimony
945
It is not certain whether the medevac aircraft deaths were connected to the covert Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation described by Ross Coulthart.
“Now, we don't know for sure that that was connected to the covert operation that I'm describing.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:30.9-00:28:34.6 observation first hand
946
Very dangerous weapons are being used in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation, which is why the El Paso airspace was shut down.
“But we do know that very dangerous weapons are being used, which is why they shut down the El Paso airspace.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:36.0-00:28:42.7 opinion first hand
947
The real story is that the government has been using high-power microwave (HPM) weapons to attempt to shoot down Non-human Intelligence (NHI) technology.
“The real story is that they have been using these weapons to try to shoot down NHI technology.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:43.8-00:28:49.8 opinion first hand
948
Many people are leaking information to Ross Coulthart about the covert Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) operation.
“And I think we're getting to the point now, so many people are leaking to me about this.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:51.1-00:28:54.5 observation first hand
949
It is becoming unsustainable for the government to maintain the fictional cover story that the El Paso incident was caused by either a party balloon or a cartel drone.
“I think we're getting to the point now where it's unsustainable for the government to maintain this fictional cover story that this was either a party balloon over El Paso, Texas or a cartel drone.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:28:54.7-00:29:05.9 opinion first hand
950
Shutting down airspace over a busy American city does not make sense as a response to a cartel drone or balloon incursion.
“You do not shut down a very busy city in America just because a cartel drone or a balloon floats into the airspace doesn't make sense.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:29:07.0-00:29:15.2 opinion first hand
951
Jake Barber has given evidence to Congress regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) matters.
“He has given evidence, by the way, to the Congress. I took him there. We actually took him to the Congress and he sat down with a committee and gave his evidence.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:29:27.5-00:29:36.3 testimony first hand
952
Congress has Jake Barber's evidence and knows what he knows regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“So the Congress has Jake's evidence. They know what he knows.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:29:37.3-00:29:40.2 observation first hand
953
Jake Barber is a patriot who would probably want to give his evidence to Congress if asked, but only in a way that can be trusted.
“And I'm sure if he was asked, he's a patriot, he would probably want to give his evidence. But it has to be in a way that can be trusted.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:29:41.4-00:29:48.3 opinion first hand
954
There are people in Congress who claim to be pro-disclosure but are not genuinely supportive of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) disclosure.
“The simple fact is there are a lot of people playing double games right now, claiming to be pro disclosure, especially in Congress. And frankly, they're bullshitting you.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:29:49.3-00:29:59.9 opinion first hand
955
Ross Coulthart is privy to material related to Skywatcher that he has not publicly disclosed, which he has been cautious about to respect national security constraints.
“What I can say, Meagan, is I'm privy to a lot of material that I haven't put here. And I've been very careful because I want to respect national security constraints.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:30:18.8-00:30:31.2 testimony first hand
956
Ross Coulthart is aware of specific military units, individuals, and orders related to White Sands Missile Range operations.
“I'm aware of units, individuals and specific orders.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:30:32.5-00:30:39.3 testimony first hand
957
According to Ross Coulthart, there are people who are genuinely concerned that the President is not being told the full story about operations at White Sands Missile Range.
“I really do think that it's time for the Defence Department, the Department of War, the President, the entire administration to realise that there are people who are genuinely concerned that the President is not being told the full story about what's going on on his behalf at the White Sands Missile Range.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:30:41.8-00:31:00.6 opinion first hand
958
According to Ross Coulthart, a civilian aircraft was caused to crash by operations at White Sands Missile Range, which were part of an exercise rather than the Skywatcher operation.
“And God help us, the mere fact that a civilian aircraft has been caused to crash by operations at White Sands Missile Range, which are not necessarily part of this operation, but part of an exercise, illustrates just how dangerous this can be.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:31:01.7-00:31:17.9 testimony first hand
959
Ross Coulthart considers that if the United States is targeting Non-human Intelligence technology with the possibility of biological entities on board aircraft, this raises serious ethical and moral concerns regarding first contact with non-human intelligence.
“Frankly, I think if we are targeting NHI technology, if there's a possibility that there is a biological entity on board those craft, what does it say about our potential first contact with a non-human intelligence that we're acting offensively against them? There are really big moral and ethical issues here that I think need to be debated publicly.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:31:28.0-00:31:52.8 opinion first hand
960
According to Ross Coulthart, personnel at White Sands Missile Range have expressed concern and squeamishness about operations being conducted there on behalf of the United States.
“And there is squeamishness and concern amongst even the personnel on these rangers about what's being done on the United States behalf.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:32:27.9-00:32:37.0 hearsay first hand
961
According to Ross Coulthart, a Temporary Flight Restriction was imposed over the Skywatcher operation to shut it down because Skywatcher was disrupting operations at White Sands Missile Range.
“The TFR was imposed over the Skywatcher operation for a very specific national security reason. They wanted it shut down because it was disrupting operations at White Sands.”
Ross Coulthart Q&A: Skywatcher didn't disappear — it went government | Reality Check 2026-08-09 00:32:51.6-00:33:01.7 testimony first hand
962
The war.gov/UFOs release of United States Department of War documents, data, videos, and imagery received hundreds of millions of hits.
“which at last can't had hundreds of millions of hits”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:00:34.5-00:00:38.2 measurement first hand
963
Ross Coulthart considers the war.gov/UFOs release an underwhelming release of documents and information that will not put the genie back in the bottle on the subject of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“If the Pentagon was hoping it could put the genie back into the bottle on the subject of UAPs by releasing such, quite frankly, an underwhelming release of documents and information, it's not going to work.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:00:39.1-00:00:52.2 opinion first hand
964
Mike Gold is a former NASA Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) study team member who now works with Redwire Space.
“I was talking to former NASA study team member, Dr. Mike Gold, who's now with Redwire Space.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:01:29.2-00:01:36.1 administrative second hand
965
The terms of reference for NASA's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) study team limited the team's scope to aerial or terrestrial UAP.
“he acknowledged to me that the terms of reference for NASA's study team limited them very much to aerial or terrestrial UAPs.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:01:37.3-00:01:47.8 testimony second hand
966
NASA's imagery from the Moon and from shuttle missions appears to have been excluded from the purview of NASA's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) study team.
“The whole idea, the whole area of NASA's imagery from from the moon and from shuttle missions, seems to have been quite deftly excluded from the study team's purview.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:01:49.3-00:02:01.0 opinion first hand
967
Ross Coulthart wonders whether the exclusion of NASA's lunar and space shuttle imagery from the purview of NASA's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) study team was deliberate.
“And I wonder whether that was deliberate.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:02:01.6-00:02:03.8 opinion first hand
968
In its commentary on the Apollo 17 image of three blue lights, the United States Department of War did not describe them as three objects but used the term "potentially a physical object" in the singular.
“They didn't say it was three objects. They actually used the term potentially a physical object singular.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:04:44.5-00:04:50.6 administrative second hand
969
Bill Nelson, as NASA administrator, stated there was no evidence of any anomalous Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in any of NASA's imagery.
“as the NASA administrator at the time, Bill Nelson basically said there was no evidence of any anomalous UAPs in any of the NASA imagery”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:07:04.1-00:07:13.4 testimony second hand
970
An unnamed person told Ross Coulthart that Bill Nelson may very well not have been briefed on NASA's UAP-related imagery.
“I was told by one person that Bill may very well not have been briefed.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:07:59.3-00:08:03.3 hearsay second hand
971
Avi Loeb of the Galileo Project speculated that the blue lights seen in imagery from the Apollo 12 and Apollo 17 missions were camera artifacts, possibly caused by diffraction of dust inside the camera lens.
“Professor Avi Loeb from the Galileo Project suggested, he speculated that the blue lights that were seen in the imagery from the Apollo 12 and Apollo 17 missions... He tried to suggest that those lights were camera artifacts or perhaps caused by diffraction of dust inside the lens somehow.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:10:00.5-00:10:20.6 opinion second hand
972
Similar blue lights also featured in Edgar Mitchell's Apollo 14 mission, according to Edgar Mitchell's own account.
“they also featured in Edgar Mitchell's Apollo 14 mission from Edgar's own account.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:10:12.8-00:10:16.7 testimony second hand
973
Edgar Mitchell admitted that he personally saw the blue-light objects with his own eyes during the Apollo 14 mission.
“I know Edgar Mitchell admitted that he had seen these objects himself with his own eyes.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:10:27.5-00:10:34.4 testimony second hand
974
Edgar Mitchell told friends, including a close friend of Ross Coulthart, that he saw blue images that followed the Apollo 14 crew out to the Moon, followed them while on the Moon, and followed them back.
“And he told friends, including a very close friend of mine about it, and said, "I saw those blue images. They followed us out and they followed us back and they followed us while we were on the moon".”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:10:35.1-00:10:45.4 testimony second hand
975
There were categorically no blue lights on the Apollo lunar module's control panel, according to people Ross Coulthart consulted with detailed knowledge of the lunar module while writing his book.
“I asked people with a detailed knowledge of the lunar module whether there were any blue lights in the lunar module control panel, and there were not absolutely categorically no blue lights.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:12:05.0-00:12:16.5 testimony second hand
976
Ross Coulthart considers it confirmed that objects associated with lunar anomalies were seen by astronauts on the surface of the Moon in the 1960s and 1970s.
“we can now confirm for sure were seen by astronauts on the surface of the moon in the 1960s and the 1970s”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:14:59.2-00:15:06.3 opinion first hand
977
The United States Department of War's war.gov/UFOs release acknowledged that at least one of the Apollo lunar anomalies is potentially a physical object.
“now the Department of War has acknowledged that these are potentially, at least one of them, is potentially a physical object.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:15:11.6-00:15:19.4 administrative second hand
978
The United States Department of War made its "potentially a physical object" declaration about only the one Apollo 17 triangular blue-lights image, not about other lunar anomalies.
“It's only made that declaration with that one Apollo 17 three dotted image.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:15:29.3-00:15:34.4 administrative second hand
979
The early Gemini astronaut crew transcripts released alongside the war.gov/UFOs materials include one in which a bogey was described.
“one of the other things that was raised, of course, were the early Gemini astronaut crew transcripts, including one, I think, where a bogey was described.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:15:50.8-00:16:01.2 administrative second hand
980
Ross Coulthart suspects the STS-48 UAP incident took place directly over or very close to Northwest Cape in Western Australia while the space shuttle was in orbit overhead.
“I strongly suspect that the STS-48 mission that you're about to show us took place during this UFO incident directly over or very, very close to Northwest Cape while the shuttle was in orbit overhead.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:19:14.0-00:19:29.9 opinion first hand
981
James Oberg, described as a notorious skeptic debunker, attempted a rebuttal of the STS-48 UAP incident footage, suggesting the objects were ice particles from the space shuttle's thrusters and that the movement seen was caused by thruster manoeuvres.
“there's been an attempt at a rebuttal by I think it was Dr. James Oberg, a notorious skeptic debunker, and he suggested that these were ice particles that had come from the thrusters on the shuttle and that what you were seeing were thruster maneuvers that were causing the movement of ice particles.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:22:32.1-00:22:49.4 opinion second hand
982
Ross Coulthart is pursuing a speculative theory that a facility was built at the Australia, Western Australia, Northwest Cape site while it was under American control and possession.
“I am pursuing strong speculative suggestions that there was a facility built while the Americans were at Northwest Cape and in full possession of the Northwest Cape Harold E Holt Naval Communications site”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:25:38.5-00:25:53.7 opinion first hand
983
The Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station was treated as sovereign American territory from 1966 to about 1991, though nominally operated jointly with Australia.
“It was essentially treated from '66 through to about 1991 as sovereign American territory.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:25:58.3-00:26:04.9 opinion first hand
984
Witnesses told Ross Coulthart that they illegally entered the Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station while it was under American control and found a large concrete platform with a metal door in the middle.
“I have spoken to witnesses who illegally went inside the facility whilst it was under American control. And they tell me that there was a gigantic concrete platform with what they disturbed was a metal door in the middle of it.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:26:06.4-00:26:24.7 hearsay second hand
985
Witnesses told Ross Coulthart that when they opened the metal door at the Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station, they saw a long tube tunnel with flashing lights, and fled when the lights activated.
“When they opened that door, when they lifted it, they could see a long tube tunnel down which they saw flashing lights. And as soon as the lights were activated, they ran and bolted out of the complex.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:26:25.3-00:26:36.6 hearsay second hand
986
The Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station was handed back to Australian sovereign military control in 1991, but continued to be operated jointly by Americans and Australians.
“when the facility was handed back to Australia in 1991 and brought back within the sovereign control of the Australian military, it's still operated by Americans and Australians.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:26:38.6-00:26:49.7 testimony first hand
987
The area of the Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station containing the concrete platform with the metal door was bulldozed and the concrete facility was removed and filled in before the site was returned to Australian control.
“That particular area of the Northwest Cape Harold E Holt Naval Communications site was bulldozed. Somebody had removed that concrete facility and filled it in before it was returned to the Australians.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:26:50.9-00:27:04.7 hearsay second hand
988
People in the Australian military and intelligence community told Ross Coulthart that no explanation has been forthcoming from the Americans about the purpose of the specific bulldozed facility at Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station, but confirmed they were aware of the facility and that it was an area Australians were not permitted to enter within their own country.
“I've spoken to people in the Australian military and intelligence community who have told me that there is no explanation forthcoming from the Americans about what that specific site was used for, but they confirmed that they were aware as well about that particular facility and that it was an area that Australians were not allowed to go to inside their own country.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:27:06.1-00:27:29.6 hearsay second hand
989
Ross Coulthart speculates that the Americans may have been experimenting with a directed energy weapon at the Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station.
“were the Americans experimenting with some kind of directed energy weapon at the Harold E Holt Naval Communications Station”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:27:35.5-00:27:42.2 opinion first hand
990
The Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station is used mainly for the broadcast of very low frequency radio signals to nuclear attack submarines in the Indian Ocean, the Pacific, and the Malacca Strait area near Singapore.
“which is actually used mainly for the broadcast of very low frequency radio signals to nuclear attack submarines in the Indian Ocean, the Pacific and in the Malacca area around Singapore.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:27:43.0-00:27:55.1 testimony first hand
991
The Australia, Western Australia, Harold E. Holt Naval Communications Station is a defence facility for the monitoring and broadcasting of radio waves to American nuclear attack submarines and is not generally used for any offensive capacity.
“It's not generally used for any kind of offensive capacity. It's essentially a defense facility for the monitoring and broadcasting of radio waves to American nuclear attack submarines.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:27:56.6-00:28:07.8 testimony first hand
992
Ross Coulthart considers the STS-48 UAP incident location near the western coast of Australia to be orbitally very close to Australia, Western Australia, Northwest Cape.
“that is, that is very close, orbit wise to Northwest Cape. That's quite extraordinary.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:29:34.3-00:29:38.7 opinion first hand
993
The STS-48 UAP incident footage did not feature among the UAP footage released by the United States Department of War the week prior to this discussion.
“this STS video that you're talking about that yourself Dr Mark Carlotto and others have taken a close interest in it didn't feature in the UAPs released by the War Department last week.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:31:20.3-00:31:35.1 administrative first hand
994
National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) takes the view that the STS-48 UAP incident objects are ice particles, which is presumably why the incident has not been categorised as a UAP by NASA.
“NASA would take the view that this is merely ice particles, and that's presumably why it hasn't been categorized as a UAP by NASA.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:31:36.4-00:31:45.3 opinion second hand
995
Ross Coulthart considers it implausible that the object observed in the STS-48 UAP incident footage is an ice crystal near the space shuttle's thrusters, judging it to be at a huge distance from the shuttle, closer to the horizon than to the shuttle.
“I don't for the life of me know how anybody could plausibly assert that there is an ice crystal somehow close to the thrusters of the space shuttle. It is clearly at a huge distance from the space shuttle, closer to the horizon than it is to the shuttle.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:38:53.6-00:39:08.9 opinion first hand
996
Ross Coulthart considers it possible that if the STS-48 UAP incident object is intelligently evading a weaponry or propulsion system directed at it from Earth, this could suggest the United States is acting offensively against non-human intelligences.
“if it is true that the object, whatever it is, is intelligently evading some kind of weaponry propulsion, you know, system, projectile system being directed at it from Earth, it suggests that someone, perhaps the United States, is acting offensively against non-human intelligences.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:39:39.8-00:40:00.4 opinion first hand
997
Members of Aboriginal communities across Australia, Western Australia, Northwest Cape told Ross Coulthart that there is a decades-long history of anomalous, mainly triangular craft operating in the Northwest Cape region of Australia, seen by residents in remote desert communities.
“they report there's a long history going back decades of anomalous, mainly triangular craft operating in the Northwest Cape region of Australia that they've seen themselves in communities right across the desert there.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:40:43.8-00:40:59.9 hearsay second hand
998
Aboriginal communities in the Australia, Western Australia, Northwest Cape region are aware that Ross Coulthart is interested in this subject matter and have expressed willingness to be interviewed about what they have observed.
“It's gone around that Ross Coulthart's interested in this subject matter. There are Aboriginal communities in touch with a good friend of mine who's basically talking to them on the ground there. And they've expressed their willingness to be interviewed about what they've been seeing.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:41:10.9-00:41:24.9 administrative first hand
999
Ross Coulthart plans to travel to the Australia, Western Australia, Northwest Cape region with a film crew to meet Aboriginal communities that have observed anomalous aerial vehicles.
“I'll be going out there with a film crew and hopefully getting to meet some of these communities”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:41:39.1-00:41:43.2 administrative first hand
1000
Members of Aboriginal communities near Australia, Western Australia, Northwest Cape reported seeing, in some cases, apartment-block or supermarket-sized triangular objects manoeuvring over their communities, sometimes in absolute silence.
“getting to meet some of these communities that have actually been seeing, in some cases, block sized, you know, huge apartment blocks, supermarket sized triangular objects that have been maneuvering over their communities, in some cases in absolute silence.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:41:42.1-00:42:00.5 hearsay second hand
1001
Ross Coulthart possesses Jeffrey T. Richelson's book on the Defense Support Program (DSP), and states that fastwalkers have been seen over Australia.
“I actually have James Richardson's book on the DSP program, the Defence Support Program, and I can tell you there are fastwalkers that have been seen over Australia.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:42:59.3-00:43:09.3 testimony second hand
1002
The downlinks for the Defense Support Program (DSP) satellites came through Australia, Northern Territory, Pine Gap, a base in the middle of Australia.
“I know the downlinks for the DSP satellites came through Pine Gap, which is a base in the middle of Australia.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:43:10.9-00:43:16.9 testimony first hand
1003
People confirmed to Ross Coulthart that they have seen data pertaining to Defense Support Program (DSP) satellite observations over Australia.
“I have spoken to people who have confirmed to me that they have seen data pertaining to observations over Australia from those DSP satellites.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:43:18.0-00:43:27.4 hearsay second hand
1004
The Defense Support Program (DSP) satellites have now been superseded by more modern satellite systems.
“as i understand it they've now been superseded by far more modern satellite systems”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:43:28.8-00:43:32.6 testimony first hand
1005
Ross Coulthart considers Australia to remain a key focus of America's primary defence facilities for monitoring potential ballistic missile launches, with satellites capturing flashes of light from rocket exhaust.
“the Australia still remains i think very much the focus of America's primary defense facilities for the monitoring of potential ballistic missile launches and so there are satellites in orbit uh that allow for the capture of any flash of light from the hot exhaust the very visible exhaust of a rocket”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:43:34.2-00:43:55.9 opinion first hand
1006
Australia plays a key role in watching for missile-launch illuminations, particularly in relation to North Korea.
“Australia plays a very key role in watching out for those illuminations, particularly with the naughty North Koreans.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:43:57.4-00:44:03.3 opinion first hand
1007
The STS-80 UAP incident, discussed as Space Shuttle Mission STS-80, occurred in 1996.
“we're going to now, as I understand it, Max, is STS-80, Shuttle Mission 80, which was, I think you said in 1996.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:44:45.3-00:44:52.5 administrative first hand
1008
Dr. Mark Carlotto's 2005 STS-80 analysis paper calculated the speed of the F1 object in the STS-80 UAP incident footage at approximately 800 kilometres per second.
“500 miles a second”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:49:51.8-00:49:52.6 measurement second hand
1009
In the footage from around Antigua, Puerto Rico, the imagery suggests the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) astronaut operating the camera anticipated the object's movement before it occurred.
“the suggestion in that imagery is that the nasa astronaut whoever was taking that imagery they knew to anticipate that the object was about to do what it did”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:50:09.7-00:50:19.2 opinion first hand
1010
Ross Coulthart observed that the disk-shaped object in the shuttle video appears to have a dome or protrusion in its centre.
“It almost it almost looks like it's got a dome in the middle of it, like a nipple in the middle of it.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:51:49.5-00:51:53.4 observation first hand
1011
Ross Coulthart believes that if humans were inside a craft experiencing the g-forces implied by the tadpole-like object's observed speed, they would not survive the forces involved.
“it would it would also if if humans were inside such a craft and they were feeling the g-forces they'd be pea soup basically”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:52:21.1-00:52:27.4 opinion first hand
1012
Ross Coulthart observed that in the STS-80 footage, an astronaut operating a camera appears very interested in the objects and intentionally zooms in on them.
“there is clearly one astronaut with a camera who's obviously very interested in what those objects are and zooming in on them intentionally because they find them interesting.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:55:43.4-00:55:53.6 observation first hand
1013
Story Musgrave, an astronaut, has talked about weird plasmatic snake-like objects that came up near the cockpit window during one of his shuttle missions.
“is it Story Musgrave, one of the astronauts has talked about these weird plasmatic snake-like objects that he said came up near the cockpit window when he was on his shuttle mission”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:56:30.6-00:56:42.6 testimony second hand
1014
Ross Coulthart notes there have been repeated insinuations by astronauts that it is uncomfortable for them to talk about anomalous objects encountered during missions.
“they've been repeated insinuations by astronauts that it's uncomfortable for them to talk about these things.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:56:46.4-00:56:54.0 opinion first hand
1015
A close friend of Edgar Mitchell, known to Ross Coulthart, told Ross Coulthart that when Edgar Mitchell was asked why he didn't speak about what he saw on the lunar surface and afterward during the Apollo 14 mission, Mitchell answered with one word: treason.
“I can only repeat what Edgar Mitchell told my very dear friend, the spaceman... And he's told me how Edgar Mitchell told him one word when he was asked why he didn't speak about what he saw on the lunar surface and what followed, he believes, the Apollo 14 mission out from Earth and back to Earth. ... He said one word, treason.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:58:08.4-00:58:31.8 hearsay second hand
1016
Edgar Mitchell believed that the Apollo missions were all followed by intelligently guided craft.
“He believed that the Apollo missions were all followed by intelligently guided craft.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:58:31.8-00:58:37.5 opinion second hand
1017
Members of the Apollo 13 mission were aware that they were being followed and believed they were probably benevolently protected.
“I've spoken to other people who've told me that even the members of Apollo 13 were aware that they were being followed and probably benevolently protected.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:58:40.3-00:58:48.5 hearsay second hand
1018
Edgar Mitchell was told that it would be treason to talk about the anomalous phenomena he witnessed.
“He was told that it was treason to talk about these things.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:58:58.4-00:59:00.9 hearsay second hand
1019
Ross Coulthart would like to see Congress ask individual astronauts hard questions about what they witnessed and were told to keep quiet about.
“I'd love to see Congress asking these individual astronauts the hard questions.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:59:02.8-00:59:06.6 opinion first hand
1020
Ross Coulthart would like to see astronauts involved in these incidents testify on the record under oath before a congressional oversight committee about what they are prepared to reveal.
“It would be a dream of mine to see some of these astronauts that have stuck their necks out and been involved in some of these incidents actually being asked on the record under oath and seeing whether they're prepared to reveal anything to a congressional oversight committee in the proper context.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 00:59:07.2-00:59:23.3 opinion first hand
1021
As of the recording, it remained unknown whether Representative Anna Paulina Luna would gain access to the approximately 46 requested videos from the Defense Department.
“we're still waiting to find out whether Representative Anna Paulina Luna... find out whether or not she's going to get access to those videos.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 01:00:13.7-01:00:17.2 administrative first hand
1022
Representative Anna Paulina Luna, one of the principals of the UAP Caucus, has been pushing for the disclosure of approximately 46 videos requested from the Defense Department.
“Representative Anna Paulina Luna, who's one of the principles of the UAP caucus, doing a heroic job in pushing for the disclosure of about 46 videos that have been requested from the Defense Department”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 01:00:15.5-01:00:27.7 administrative first hand
1023
One of the images in Jeremy Corbell's film Sleeping Dogs, which Ross Coulthart calls Caspar's Ghost, appears to show a plasmatic humanoid-shaped object moving strangely.
“There's one in particular, which I'm going to call Caspar's Ghost. It's quite extraordinary. It appears to show some kind of plasmatic humanoid shaped plasmatic object moving really strangely.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 01:00:46.2-01:00:57.9 observation first hand
1024
Ross Coulthart hopes that NASA's new administrator will be brought to account in future congressional hearings and asked to explain why NASA has said for decades there is no evidence of anomalous phenomena.
“I sincerely hope that NASA, through with its new administrator, is brought up to account and asked to explain how it was that It's said consistently for so many decades that there is no evidence of any kind of anomalous phenomena.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 01:01:12.6-01:01:27.8 opinion first hand
1025
The United States Department of War has itself raised the Apollo 17 dots as anomalous phenomena and as a physical object, according to Ross Coulthart.
“we have quite clearly anomalous phenomena that have been raised as such by the Department of War, not by us, the Apollo 17 dots in particular, as a physical object.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 01:01:29.5-01:01:40.7 administrative second hand
1026
Ross Coulthart would like to see National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) officials testify under oath and explain why they have, perhaps unintentionally, misled the public about anomalous phenomena for many years.
“I'd love to see them under oath and asked why it is that they have sadly, perhaps unintentionally, misled the public for so many years.”
What Did Apollo Astronauts Really See on the Moon? | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-10 01:01:42.8-01:01:50.2 opinion first hand
1027
Donald Trump made his remarks about releasing extraterrestrial information at a cabinet meeting with Marco Rubio seated on one side and Pete Hegseth on the other.
“He was in a cabinet conference, cabinet meeting, and with Marco Rubio on one side and Pete Hegseth on the other.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:00:38.0-00:00:44.0 administrative
1028
During a cabinet meeting on 2026-08-11, Donald Trump said the administration is releasing a lot of information having to do with extraterrestrial things and that people are totally fascinated by it.
“The president said, we're releasing a lot of information having to do with extraterrestrial, terrestrial things. And people are totally fascinated by it.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:00:49.1-00:01:00.5 testimony second hand
1029
During his cabinet meeting remarks on 2026-08-11, Donald Trump said the extraterrestrial information release is literally trending number one.
“Mr. Trump said, President Trump said, it's literally trending number one. Can you believe it?”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:01:00.7-00:01:06.5 testimony second hand
1030
Ross Coulthart does not consider the material released to date on the war.gov UFO files website to be evidence of extraterrestrials.
“I don't think we should take that necessarily as an acceptance by the president that what they've released to date in the war.gov website UFOs site is evidence of extraterrestrials because, frankly, it isn't.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:01:09.5-00:01:24.2 opinion first hand
1031
In 1991, the former Soviet Socialist Republic of Estonia became an independent Baltic nation in Northern Europe.
“In 1991, the former Soviet Socialist Republic of Estonia freed itself from years of Soviet tyranny and became an independent Baltic nation in Northern Europe.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:01:11.6-00:01:23.4 administrative
1032
Estonia has been a member of the European Union (EU) and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) since 2004.
“a member of the EU and NATO since 2004.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:01:30.9-00:01:33.9 administrative
1033
Ross Coulthart considers Donald Trump's initiative in releasing and declassifying UAP files a positive sign to be applauded, and considers it clear from the released files that there was no reason they could not have been released much earlier.
“it is a positive sign, and it's to be applauded that the president has shown such initiative on releasing and declassifying UAP files that, frankly, when you look at them, there's absolutely no reason, it's quite clear now, there's no reason why they couldn't have been released a lot earlier than today.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:01:34.2-00:01:52.1 opinion first hand
1034
During the 1960s, a resident of the Tallinn suburb of Merivalja named Virgo Mitt decided to dig a well under his property.
“sometime in the 1960s, a resident of the Tallinn suburb of Merivälja named Virgo Mitt decided to dig a well under his property.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:02:23.4-00:02:35.1 administrative
1035
Jason Reza Jorjani has worked as a science fiction writer.
“he's been a science fiction writer in his time”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:02:25.5-00:02:27.1 administrative
1036
Ross Coulthart considers Jason Reza Jorjani's interviews on the UAP phenomenon profoundly fascinating and credits him with a strong grasp of history and spiritual ideas.
“he also, I think, does some profoundly fascinating interviews on the phenomenon. And he has a wonderful grasp of history, spiritual ideas.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:02:27.6-00:02:35.4 opinion first hand
1037
Virgo Mitt's home in Merivalja is a modest two-storey brick house.
“It's a modest two-storey brick home in Merivälja.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:02:36.3-00:02:39.5 observation
1038
Virgo Mitt struck a metal object with a jackhammer at around seven to eight metres depth while digging his well, filling a bucket with fragments, some of which he gave to a local geologist friend.
“Around seven to eight metres down, he struck a metal object with a jackhammer, filling a bucket with the fragments, some of which he gave to a local geologist friend.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:02:41.4-00:02:54.5 observation
1039
Jason Reza Jorjani, in his November 2025 American Alchemy interview, said retired United States Army remote viewer Lyn Buchanan told him the Central Intelligence Agency has backdoor access to consumer DNA databases such as Ancestry.com and 23andMe.
“he said that a retired Army remote viewer named Lynn Buchanan who was part of the old Stargate psychic spying program, told him the CIA has backdoor access to consumer DNA databases like Ancestry.com and 23andMe.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:02:50.8-00:03:08.1 hearsay third hand
1040
Lyn Buchanan is a retired United States Army remote viewer who was part of the Stargate Project psychic spying programme.
“a retired Army remote viewer named Lynn Buchanan who was part of the old Stargate psychic spying program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:02:51.7-00:02:58.8 administrative
1041
The fragments Virgo Mitt gave to a geologist friend sat on a shelf in a local university laboratory for many years before being investigated.
“They sat on a shelf in a local university laboratory for many years.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:02:55.8-00:03:00.4 administrative
1042
The Russian newspaper Pravda reported that the Merivalja object samples had highly anomalous properties.
“the Merivälja object samples were reported in the Russian newspaper Pravda to have highly anomalous properties.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:03:02.8-00:03:10.7 hearsay second hand
1043
Jason Reza Jorjani, in his November 2025 American Alchemy interview, said the Central Intelligence Agency's alleged access to consumer DNA databases is used to screen for genetic markers of Nordic alien beings said to live on Earth.
“And what they're doing, supposedly, is screening for genetic markers, particularly for those pesky Nordic beings, alien beings that allegedly reside here on the planet with us.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:03:09.8-00:03:22.6 hearsay second hand
1044
The Merivalja object samples supposedly caused electrical shocks and tingles, causing an engineer examining them to lose consciousness.
“They supposedly caused electrical shocks and tingles, causing an engineer that was examining them to lose consciousness.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:03:12.2-00:03:19.7 hearsay
1045
The Merivalja object samples were eventually sent to laboratories in Moscow, Leningrad and Kyiv.
“and eventually they were sent across the Soviet Union to labs in Moscow, Leningrad and Kyiv.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:03:21.1-00:03:28.3 administrative
1046
About a week before 2026-08-11, Luis Elizondo told Reality Check with Ross Coulthart that people in the intelligence community had told him about human-alien hybridisation.
“a still quite extraordinary comment by Lou Elizondo, the former Pentagon UAP program investigator who told us about a week ago now that were people in the intelligence community who told him about hybridization, human alien hybridization.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:03:29.3-00:03:48.1 hearsay third hand
1047
For around 10 years, Soviet scientists, researchers, KGB agents and military personnel investigated the Merivalja object.
“For around 10 years, Soviet scientists, researchers, KGB spies and military investigated the so-called Merivälja object.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:03:30.2-00:03:40.6 administrative
1048
Luis Elizondo is a former Pentagon UAP programme investigator.
“Lou Elizondo, the former Pentagon UAP program investigator”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:03:31.6-00:03:35.3 administrative
1049
Soviet investigators concluded the Merivalja object was an oval metal object about 15 metres long, weighing 200 tonnes, partially under the house and extending into the garden.
“They concluded there was an oval metal object about 15 meters long, weighing 200 tons, partially under the house, extending into the garden.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:03:41.9-00:03:55.2 measurement
1050
Nordic aliens are described as tall, blonde and blue-eyed beings living discreetly among humans.
“Nordics, if you don't know what they are, are tall, blonde, blue eyed. No, I'm not guilty. Beings living discreetly.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:03:53.4-00:04:00.4 administrative
1051
In the 1980s there was an attempted excavation of the Merivalja object that lasted for months, which was stopped when one of the workers reportedly received a blow to his stomach that came from the object.
“Sometime in the 1980s there was an attempted excavation or dig that lasted for months and this was stopped when one of the workers reportedly received a blow to his stomach that came from the object.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:03:56.4-00:04:12.6 hearsay
1052
Nordic aliens are said to favour living in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado.
“Apparently they love living in the Rockies up in Colorado.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:04:01.4-00:04:04.4 hearsay
1053
The blow to the worker's stomach during the 1980s excavation of the Merivalja object supposedly left a burned triangular scar on his body.
“It supposedly left a burned triangular scar on his body.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:04:14.1-00:04:19.6 hearsay
1054
Jason Reza Jorjani, in his November 2025 American Alchemy interview, said Kit Green is heavily involved in the alleged programme screening consumer DNA databases for alien genetic markers.
“the claim was made in the same Georgiani interview that Kit Green, Chris Green, is heavily involved in this alleged program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:04:15.7-00:04:22.8 hearsay second hand
1055
In the account given by Jason Reza Jorjani, the human-alien hybrids living among humans simply want to live peacefully and happily alongside them.
“Anyway, apparently the hybrids just want to live peacefully and happily amongst us humans.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:04:30.1-00:04:34.7 hearsay second hand
1056
Lyn Buchanan has publicly discussed an unknown, unidentifiable DNA category that interests the United States government.
“Lynn Buchanan has publicly discussed an unknown, unidentifiable DNA category that interests the government.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:04:36.7-00:04:46.0 administrative second hand
1057
Lyn Buchanan has said he has avoided taking consumer DNA tests himself.
“And he's avoided, he said he's avoided consumer DNA tests himself.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:04:47.4-00:04:51.6 testimony second hand
1058
Lyn Buchanan has never directly confirmed Jason Reza Jorjani's account or the notion of Central Intelligence Agency backdoor access to consumer DNA databases.
“But he's never directly confirmed the full Georgiani story or the notion of CIA backdoors.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:04:52.8-00:04:58.7 administrative
1059
Mart Sander holds the Guinness World Record for the most characters played by one actor in a single film, having played 48 distinct roles.
“He actually holds, I was laughing about this, the Guinness World Record for the most characters played by one actor in a single film, 48 distinct roles.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:05:05.9-00:05:15.4 administrative
1060
On 2026-08-11 Ross Coulthart received an email from Paul H. Smith about the claim that the Stargate Project mined consumer DNA databases.
“So by complete chance today into my inbox came an email from Paul Smith, Dr. Paul Smith”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:05:10.9-00:05:17.0 testimony first hand
1061
Paul H. Smith is a former major in the United States Army and was one of the principals of the United States Army's Stargate Project.
“Dr. Paul Smith, a former major in the US Army, who was one of the principals of the US Army Stargate program.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:05:16.4-00:05:24.2 administrative
1062
Ross Coulthart met Paul H. Smith briefly at the Contact in the Desert event.
“And I met him briefly at Contact in the Desert.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:05:25.4-00:05:27.8 testimony first hand
1063
Paul H. Smith, in an email to Ross Coulthart, called the story that the Stargate Project mined consumer DNA databases balderdash, saying he had been in Stargate for seven years and had served on orders as the official unit historian.
“Quote, having been in Stargate myself for seven years and having been on orders as the official unit historian, I am comfortable in saying that this story is, to put it mildly, balderdash. If you want details, I'm happy to supply them.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:05:48.9-00:06:06.7 testimony second hand
1064
Ross Coulthart has replied to Paul H. Smith and expects to obtain further details on Smith's rejection of the Stargate DNA-database story.
“Now, I've gone back to Paul and I will be getting more details”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:06:07.5-00:06:10.0 testimony first hand
1065
Ross Coulthart considers that Lyn Buchanan has made inferences that something is dodgy about DNA databases being accessed, or that the government is taking a close interest in DNA databases.
“It does appear Lynn Buchanan has made inferences that there's something dodgy about DNA databases being accessed or the government taking a close interest in DNA databases.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:06:12.7-00:06:22.7 opinion first hand
1066
Mandy Rice-Davies, when confronted in England over an alleged affair with a British politician who had denied it, replied "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he".
“To quote Mandy Rice Davies when she was confronted in England about an alleged affair with a British politician who was also, she was also having an affair with a Russian spy and the politician had denied it. ... Well, he would say that, wouldn't he, is what she said.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:06:30.2-00:06:48.3 administrative
1067
Ross Coulthart has no idea about the veracity of the claims that the Central Intelligence Agency screens consumer DNA databases for alien genetic markers, and states only that the claims are disputed.
“And frankly, I really have no idea about the veracity of these claims. What I can tell you is that they are disputed.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:06:55.8-00:07:01.9 opinion first hand
1068
Ross Coulthart respects Jason Reza Jorjani's work but considers that Jorjani sometimes goes well beyond what Coulthart knows as accepted official fact.
“I've got a lot of respect for Jason Reza Jorjani. He's done some great work in his time. He does sometimes, I think, go way beyond what I know as accepted official fact.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:07:03.5-00:07:14.7 opinion first hand
1069
Ross Coulthart does not think films such as Disclosure Day negatively affect the seriousness of the UAP topic, and considers Disclosure Day a great film.
“Actually, no, I don't. I think Disclosure Day is a great film.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:09:29.3-00:09:32.0 opinion first hand
1070
Ross Coulthart considers that Steven Spielberg has a long and illustrious history of covering non-human intelligence in an intelligent and provocative way.
“I think Steven Spielberg has a long and illustrious history in covering the issue of non-human intelligence, I think, in an intelligent and provocative way.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:09:42.2-00:09:52.9 opinion first hand
1071
Ross Coulthart takes issue with Steven Spielberg consistently portraying non-human beings as benevolent and never a threat.
“one thing I do take issue with, I guess, is he's consistently portrayed the beings as always benevolent, never a threat.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:09:56.2-00:10:04.2 opinion first hand
1072
People Ross Coulthart has spoken to say that the non-human intelligences, of which there are allegedly multiple, cannot all be described as completely benevolent.
“that's not consistent with some of the people that I've spoken to that say that you can't describe everything about these non-human intelligences, of which there are allegedly multiple, as being 100% benevolent.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:10:04.8-00:10:15.8 hearsay second hand
1073
Ross Coulthart has had the account of Ronald Reagan's remark about Close Encounters of the Third Kind confirmed to him by an unnamed person who was present in the room, who was neither Steven Spielberg nor Ronald Reagan.
“this has been confirmed to me by someone who was actually there, not Spielberg and sadly not President Reagan”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:10:24.5-00:10:30.2 testimony second hand
1074
When Close Encounters of the Third Kind was watched in The White House movie room with Steven Spielberg present, Ronald Reagan told the room that there was a lot in the film and that a few people present knew that everything in it was true.
“when they watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind in the White House movie room with Steven Spielberg present, the president said to everyone in the room, There's a lot in that story in that film. There are a few people in this room who know that everything in that film is true.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:10:31.4-00:10:49.2 hearsay third hand
1075
Close Encounters of the Third Kind explored the idea of human engagement, direct contact and possible agreements with non-human beings, and of human astronauts boarding an alien spacecraft and travelling elsewhere.
“that film, Close Encounters, was exploring the idea of human engagement, direct contact and perhaps agreements with non-human beings and the idea of human astronauts going onto an alien spacecraft and going somewhere else.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:10:51.4-00:11:07.3 administrative
1076
Ross Coulthart hopes Steven Spielberg's film Disclosure Day will popularise the idea of UAP disclosure and allay much of the stigma and taboo around it.
“I think Steven Spielberg's film will hopefully popularize and allay a lot of the stigma and the taboo about the idea of disclosure.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:11:09.6-00:11:19.3 opinion first hand
1077
Sean Chittle publicly explained Grey aliens as originating with a test pilot referred to as Dan who crashed in 1959 wearing a redacted space suit in a redacted aircraft.
“he could explain Grey Aliens as going back to a test pilot called Dan, who crashed in 1959 wearing a redacted space suit in a redacted aircraft.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:11:52.1-00:12:02.6 testimony second hand
1078
Sean Chittle described the test pilot who crashed in 1959 as looking badly injured, with his head knocked around, his nose barely visible, his eyes swelled shut and black, and his head swollen.
“And he looked really bad because his head had been knocked around. His nose was barely visible. His eyes were swelled shut and black and his head had swelled.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:12:04.0-00:12:11.1 testimony second hand
1079
Sean Chittle asserted that the appearance of the injured 1959 test pilot began the legend of the Grey alien depicted by Steven Spielberg.
“Thus, Sean Chittle asserts, began the legend of the grey alien that Spielberg is talking about.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:12:12.8-00:12:18.3 testimony second hand
1080
Sean Chittle said Steven Spielberg used the Grey alien depiction in E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and deviated from it somewhat in War of the Worlds and Super 8.
“he'd used that version in E.T., Close Encounters, War of the Worlds and Super 8. Oh, no, deviated from it a bit with War of the Worlds and Super 8.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:12:20.2-00:12:28.4 testimony second hand
1081
Sean Chittle said that Grey aliens do not exist.
“Then he goes on to say, the fact is there is no such thing.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:12:29.4-00:12:33.1 testimony second hand
1082
Ross Coulthart does not understand how Sean Chittle can say categorically that Grey aliens do not exist when hundreds if not thousands of witnesses have independently reported them since 1959.
“I honestly, sir, do not understand how you can say categorically, the fact is there is no such thing as grey aliens. when hundreds, if not thousands, of witnesses have independently reported such things since 1959?”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:12:48.4-00:13:03.4 opinion first hand
1083
Mart Sander went to the Tallinn Secondary College, where the wife of the man who dug the well that found the Merivalja object was also a teacher.
“I found it quite serendipitous that you went to the Tallinn Secondary College, where I understand the wife of the man who dug the well that found this object was also a teacher.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:13:15.8-00:13:27.1 administrative
1084
Ross Coulthart rejects the theory that Jeremy Corbell must have been working with government gatekeepers to obtain the videos in Sleeping Dog, considering it a silly theory and normal for journalists to receive leaked information.
“No, I'm sorry. I'm not buying into that. That's a silly theory. Journalists, and Jeremy Corbell says that he's a journalist, often receive leaked information.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:13:42.5-00:13:54.1 opinion first hand
1085
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp received a series of videos and went to enormous effort to provide them to the United States Congress.
“Jeremy and George, George Knapp, have received a series of videos that they've gone to an enormous amount of effort to provide to the Congress.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:13:57.3-00:14:05.5 administrative
1086
Around 46 videos were provided or brought to the attention of the United States Congress, and many were originally brought to the notice of the Congressional UAP Caucus as a result of work by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp.
“a lot of the 46 or so videos that were allegedly provided or brought to the attention of the Congress were originally alerted to the knowledge of the Congress UAP caucus, I'm told, as a result of great work done by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:14:06.8-00:14:22.8 hearsay second hand
1087
Ross Coulthart considers that some people who leak information are reckless and show disregard for national security.
“where i have a problem sometimes with some people who leak information is they're often reckless they often show disregard for national security”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:14:36.2-00:14:44.8 opinion first hand
1088
Ross Coulthart considers that Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp made the proper ethical and legal assessment before releasing the leaked videos and behaved entirely properly.
“And I think George and Jeremy did that entirely properly. ... I think he's behaved entirely properly.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:14:59.0-00:15:01.9 opinion first hand
1089
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp have been careful to vet their sources and to ensure the leaked videos were not released publicly without proper redactions or without being checked with people who know whether secrets would be compromised.
“I know how careful both of them have been in making sure they vet their sources. and in making sure that those videos are not released publicly without having proper redactions or checked first with people who actually know whether or not there are secrets that are being compromised”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:15:18.0-00:15:34.4 testimony first hand
1090
Ross Coulthart considers the redactions applied to the videos posted on the United States Department of War UFO website excessive.
“I know a lot of people get really frustrated about the redactions that do appear on the videos, and I think they are excessive, the ones that have been posted on the UFO Department of War website.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:16:04.2-00:16:14.3 opinion first hand
1091
Redaction of released UAP videos is warranted to avoid revealing the surveillance capabilities of aircraft such as predator drones to potential foreign adversaries.
“we don't want to reveal the capabilities of predator drones, aircraft that have surveillance capabilities, because that tells potential foreign adversaries. the capabilities of our surveillance technology.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:16:16.4-00:16:27.8 opinion first hand
1092
Ross Coulthart considers the released UAP videos next to useless as scientific data because the associated data on the objects' movements has been redacted, so apparent instantaneous acceleration or hypersonic speed cannot be assessed.
“they're next to useless as scientific data because there's no data associated with them that gives us any idea about the movements for example when you see something that looks like instantaneous acceleration or hypersonic speed on some of those videos you really can't tell because all of the data has been redacted”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:16:45.9-00:17:06.0 opinion first hand
1093
Ross Coulthart defines catastrophic disclosure as every video and piece of information on ufology being inadvertently released in a single massive data dump comparable to a WikiLeaks dump.
“Catastrophic disclosure would be for the government, for the Department of War, for the president, if every single video, every single piece of information on ufology was inadvertently released in a massive data dump, like a WikiLeaks data dump”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:17:20.6-00:17:35.8 opinion first hand
1094
Ross Coulthart considers a catastrophic mass release of ufology material a real possibility unless the government continues its current approach, because people in the Pentagon and the intelligence community are holding back what they know.
“because people in the Pentagon, people in the intelligence community are holding back on what they know. I can tell you, I think that's a real possibility unless the government does what it's currently doing.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:17:37.0-00:17:49.7 opinion first hand
1095
Ross Coulthart considers that the United States government is taking the steam out of the disclosure debate by very slowly trickling data into the public domain that makes the reality of the phenomenon increasingly unquestionable.
“It's taking the steam out of the disclosure debate by very, very slowly trickling out into the public domain data that makes it, I think, increasingly unquestionable that there is a phenomenon there that is real.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:17:50.2-00:18:04.6 opinion first hand
1096
Ross Coulthart regards Donald Trump's 2026-08-11 cabinet meeting reference to extraterrestrials as an astonishing admission.
“And as the president has intimated, extraterrestrial. That was an astonishing admission by the president.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:18:05.6-00:18:12.2 opinion first hand
1097
Ross Coulthart strongly suspects that technology has been developed from acquired non-human technology.
“if there is technology that has been developed from acquired non-human technology, if that's true, and I strongly suspect it is”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:19:07.7-00:19:15.8 opinion first hand
1098
Zero-point energy is energy drawn from the quantum vacuum, offering the capacity to draw unlimited amounts of energy through an understanding of quantum science not yet fully explained in the public domain.
“zero point energy, energy from the quantum vacuum, the capacity to draw unlimited amounts of energy through an understanding of quantum science that at least in the public domain has not yet been fully explained.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:19:19.2-00:19:32.3 administrative
1099
Ross Coulthart considers that the development of zero-point energy would be an ontological shock to humanity and particularly to the markets, and would probably wipe out every top 100 company on the American stock exchange overnight.
“That would be an absolute ontological shock, not just to humanity, but particularly to the markets. It would probably wipe out every top 100 company on the American stock exchange overnight.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:19:34.1-00:19:46.2 opinion first hand
1100
Virgo Mitt hit a solid metal object about seven to eight metres down in the garden while using a pneumatic compressed-air drill to dig a well.
“in the course of using a pneumatic drill, a compressed air drill, he hit a solid metal object about seven or eight metres down in the garden.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:19:41.1-00:19:49.9 observation
1101
Fragments from the metal object Virgo Mitt struck were given to a local technical college and eventually tested.
“Those fragments were given to a local technical college and they were eventually tested.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:19:54.2-00:19:59.7 administrative
1102
Matthew Tuttle is the chief executive of Tuttle Capital Management.
“Matthew Tuttle, who's the chief executive of Tuttle Capital Management”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:20:11.7-00:20:15.7 administrative
1103
Matthew Tuttle has started an exchange-traded fund focused on UFO disclosure, bundling stocks, commodities and bonds tied to UFO-related technology that might give investors an advantage.
“who has actually started up an exchange trading fund looking at UFO disclosure. He's decided it's time to put together an investment fund that bundles together stocks, commodities, bonds that have UFO related technology that might give investors an advantage by investing in it.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:20:16.3-00:20:38.0 administrative
1104
Ross Coulthart strongly doubts that UAP disclosure would destroy the American economy, citing America's resilience and its history of recovering from the Second World War and the Great Depression.
“Is it going to destroy the American economy? I strongly doubt it. One of the things about America is its resilience and its capacity to bounce back from disasters. as it did in the Second World War, as it did in the Great Depression.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:20:52.7-00:21:05.9 opinion first hand
1105
Ross Coulthart believes there are game-changing technologies in both propulsion systems and energy systems, along with a wide array of other technological breakthroughs.
“I do think that there are game changing technologies in both propulsion systems and energy systems. and a huge array of other technological breakthroughs”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:21:12.4-00:21:22.2 opinion first hand
1106
Ross Coulthart believes people in the intelligence and defence community, in collusion with stock-exchange-listed major companies, are sitting on technological breakthroughs that could help humanity get rid of fossil fuels overnight.
“I do believe that there are people in the intelligence and defence community who in collusion with companies that are stock exchange listed major companies are sitting on technological breakthroughs that could help humanity probably get rid of fossil fuels overnight.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:21:35.5-00:21:52.6 opinion first hand
1107
People speaking to Ross Coulthart from within what is called the Legacy Program convey that suppressed technological breakthroughs exist, and there is deep frustration among them that Americans and the rest of the world are not being told the full truth.
“That's certainly what's being conveyed to me by people I'm speaking to from within what's called the legacy program. There is a deep frustration that Americans, the rest of the world aren't being told the full truth. They want this story out.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:21:56.9-00:22:14.0 hearsay second hand
1108
Ross Coulthart is not sure whether the small-scale disclosure coming from The White House via the war.gov UFO files website is the beginning of a broader disclosure.
“maybe what's happening with the currently very small D disclosure that's coming from the White House with the war.gov slash UFO's website. Maybe that's the beginning of a broader disclosure. I'm not so sure.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:22:15.1-00:22:27.5 opinion first hand
1109
The Estonian Academy of Sciences report found about 40 elements in the Merivalja object alloy, including iron and titanium along with a series of elements unusual to be combined into such an alloy.
“there were i think 40 elements uh obviously iron was one of the constituents there was also titanium and a whole series of elements that were very unusual to be combined into such an alloy”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:22:18.8-00:22:31.5 measurement second hand
1110
Ross Coulthart considers there is pushback against UAP disclosure from the intelligence community, the Defense Department, and particularly from private aerospace and some of the top 100 companies.
“I still think that there's pushback from the intelligence community, from the Defense Department, and particularly from private aerospace and some of those big top 100 companies.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:22:28.5-00:22:38.6 opinion first hand
1111
The Estonian Academy of Sciences concluded it was physically impossible for the Merivalja object's metal to have been manufactured on Earth.
“the estonian academy of sciences did conclude that it was physically impossible for that kind of metal to have been manufactured on the planet”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:22:34.8-00:22:42.8 measurement second hand
1112
Ross Coulthart considers that many wealthy business people do not want the public to have free energy.
“There are a lot of wealthy business people, plutocrats, who frankly don't want you to have free energy.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:22:39.7-00:22:47.5 opinion first hand
1113
Ross Coulthart cannot give further detail on the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress cockpit footage said to show a disc alongside the aircraft with occupants visible at a window, because his source declined to provide more and faced serious repercussions for discussing it at all.
“I can't really. I don't know any more than what I've been told by my own source. I've gone back to my source and they've said exactly what I've just said. They're not willing to give me any more detail and they copped, I think, serious heat where they are for even talking about it.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:23:02.6-00:23:17.4 testimony second hand
1114
Ross Coulthart has had it confirmed to him by a source that extraordinarily clear, high-resolution UAP imagery, including the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress cockpit footage of a disc with visible occupants, is held by the United States government and not yet released.
“I've had it confirmed to me that there are these and other extraordinarily clear high resolution imageries that are not yet being released by the government.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:23:19.5-00:23:29.1 hearsay second hand
1115
Ross Coulthart considers the material published on the war.gov UFO files website to be bits and pieces released to keep the public entertained rather than substantive disclosure.
“what we're being given on the war.gov slash UFO's website is frankly bits and pieces for the chooks just to keep us happy, to keep us entertained.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:23:31.9-00:23:41.1 opinion first hand
1116
Interest in the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) subject has taken the United States Department of War and the White House by surprise because of how motivated people are to get at the truth.
“It has taken the Department of War and the White House by surprise that people are so motivated to get to the truth of this.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:02.4-00:24:10.0 opinion first hand
1117
The Russian secret police agency, the Committee for State Security (KGB), got involved in investigating the object under the house at Merivalja.
“the Russian secret police, the spy agency, the KGB, no less, it got involved in this whole investigation.”
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1118
Ross Coulthart has been told there are many further classified videos of anomalous phenomena beyond those already released.
“And yes, I'm told there are many such videos.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:10.3-00:24:13.6 hearsay second hand
1119
Many of the classified videos of anomalous phenomena sit on still-classified top secret compartmentalised servers, mainly on the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) platform.
“A lot of them sit on still classified top secret compartmentalised servers, mainly on the JWICS platform.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:14.9-00:24:22.4 hearsay second hand
1120
Ross Coulthart has spoken to people who have seen some of the still-classified films of anomalous phenomena.
“I've spoken to people who've seen some of these films.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:23.5-00:24:25.9 testimony first hand
1121
Ross Coulthart spoke the day before the 2026-08-11 recording to someone who was principally involved in helping get the UAP videos provided to the United States Congress to Congress.
“I've spoken as recently as yesterday to someone who was principally involved in helping get the videos that were provided to Congress to Congress.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:26.3-00:24:35.4 testimony first hand
1122
People inside the United States national security complex are acting bravely to ensure the public hears what is going on regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“And they are people inside the national security complex who are doing brave and courageous things to make sure that you, the public, get to hear what's going on.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:36.2-00:24:46.0 opinion first hand
1123
The Committee for State Security (KGB) stamped its files on the Merivalja object 'sovacheno sekretno', meaning completely, totally secret.
“So that was the KGB stamp that they put all over this file. ... Sovacheno sekretno means completely, totally secret.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:24:36.6-00:24:40.1 administrative
1124
Ross Coulthart believes many videos of anomalous phenomena remain held by people in the intelligence community who hope they never become public.
“I think a lot of these videos are still sitting in cupboards with a lot of people from the intelligence community hoping they never see the light of day.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:24:49.2-00:24:58.3 opinion first hand
1125
An undeclassified 4K video known to Luis Elizondo puts the issue of anomalous phenomena and the five observables well beyond doubt.
“He talked about a 4K video that he's aware of that still hasn't been declassified that puts the issue of anomalous phenomena, the five observables, well beyond doubt.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:25:07.2-00:25:20.0 testimony second hand
1126
In conspiracy-theory lore, The Red Book and The Yellow Book refer to alleged highly classified documents or devices related to government interaction with aliens.
“In conspiracy theory law, the Red Book and the Yellow Book refer to alleged highly classified documents or devices related to government alien interaction.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:25:42.5-00:25:54.5 testimony first hand
1127
Alexander Deyev was an aviation engineer who had ties to the Soviet Defense Ministry.
“he was an aviation engineer who had ties to the Soviet Defense Ministry.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:25:47.0-00:25:51.3 administrative
1128
Alexander Deyev was passionately interested in the paranormal even before the investigations into the Merivalja object.
“He was passionately interested in the paranormal even before the investigations into this object.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:25:52.3-00:25:57.3 administrative
1129
The Red Book and The Yellow Book are not verified as real.
“They're not verified as real.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:25:55.8-00:25:57.4 testimony first hand
1130
The Red Book and The Yellow Book are not part of Project Blue Book or of any modern All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) effort.
“They're not part of Project Blue Book or any modern AARO, the Pentagon UFO Office efforts.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:25:58.0-00:26:04.8 testimony first hand
1131
Alexander Deyev worked for a top secret Soviet UFO investigation team headed by physicist Felix Siegel.
“he ended up working for a top secret Soviet UFO investigation team headed by a physicist, Felix Siegel.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:25:58.5-00:26:07.5 administrative
1132
The All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) is the Pentagon's UFO office.
“any modern AARO, the Pentagon UFO Office efforts”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:26:00.4-00:26:04.8 administrative first hand
1133
Ross Coulthart considers The Red Book and The Yellow Book first and foremost conspiracy theories.
“They are... first and foremost just conspiracy theories at the at the best”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:26:05.6-00:26:10.0 opinion first hand
1134
Alexander Deyev was the person who came to the door of the house in Merivalja regarding the object.
“it was Alexander Deyev who came knocking on the door in this little street in Merivälja, wasn't it?”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:26:08.7-00:26:15.0 administrative
1135
The Yellow Book is described in the Project Serpo materials as an alien-provided book resembling a holographic interactive device or transparent block, approximately 6 centimetres thick with a yellow border, like an advanced tablet computer or crystal slab.
“an allegedly alien provided book more like a holographic interactive device or transparent block approximately two and a half inches thick with a yellow border resembling an advanced ipad or crystal slab”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:26:30.3-00:26:43.4 hearsay third hand
1136
According to the Project Serpo materials relayed by Ross Coulthart, The Yellow Book was given to the United States government by extraterrestrials called EBENs from Zeta Reticuli.
“it was supposedly given to the U.S government by extraterrestrials often called ebens from Zeta Reticuli Serpo”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:26:43.9-00:26:52.0 hearsay third hand
1137
According to the Project Serpo materials relayed by Ross Coulthart, The Yellow Book was handed over during a 1964 landing at Holloman Air Force Base by a female alien ambassador designated EBE-2.
“during a 1964 Holloman Air Force Base landing by EBE-2, a female alien ambassador.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:26:52.6-00:27:00.6 hearsay third hand
1138
According to the Project Serpo materials relayed by Ross Coulthart, The Yellow Book contains the aliens' own history of the universe, their planet, and their interactions with Earth going back more than 2,000 years, including human evolution and events such as the crucifixion of Christ depicted holographically.
“And this was claimed to be the aliens own history of the universe, their planet interactions with Earth going back 2000 plus years ago, human evolution, events like the crucifixion of Christ. Apparently that was depicted holographically.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:27:02.2-00:27:15.4 hearsay third hand
1139
According to the Project Serpo materials relayed by Ross Coulthart, The Yellow Book allowed immersive viewing of scenes and adapted to the reader's language and thoughts.
“It reportedly allowed immersive viewing of scenes and adapted to the reader's language and thoughts”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:27:17.1-00:27:22.7 hearsay third hand
1140
According to the Project Serpo materials relayed by Ross Coulthart, The Yellow Book started from the beginning every time it was accessed.
“but started from the beginning every time it was accessed.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:27:23.3-00:27:25.8 hearsay third hand
1141
The Red Book is alleged to be a human-made, thick, orange-brownish physical compendium or series of volumes compiled by the United States government.
“The Red Book was a human-made, thick, orange-brownish physical compendium or series of volumes compiled by the US government.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:27:28.9-00:27:38.8 hearsay second hand
1142
The Red Book is alleged to be updated every five years and to include cross-referenced information from The Yellow Book.
“It's allegedly updated every five years and includes cross-referenced info from the Yellow Book.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:27:39.9-00:27:45.6 hearsay second hand
1143
The Red Book is alleged to be a detailed summary of all United States UFO and UAP crash investigations from 1947 onwards, alien contacts, crash retrievals, national security implications and trends in sightings.
“And it's allegedly a detailed summary of all US UFO UAP crash investigations from 1947 onwards, alien contacts, crash retrievals, national security implications, trends in sightings.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:27:46.6-00:28:00.0 hearsay second hand
1144
Alexander Deyev possessed a smoky glass orb that he claimed generated what he called the D field.
“He made a fuss about a smoky glass orb he had, which supposedly generated what he called the D field.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:27:54.1-00:28:01.6 hearsay second hand
1145
Anonymous sources have been quoted saying The Red Book includes executive summaries for presidents.
“There's sources, anonymous of course, that have been quoted saying it includes executive summaries for presidents.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:28:01.4-00:28:08.7 hearsay third hand
1146
Some people said the smoky glass orb that Alexander Deyev attributed to the D field was really a device that had been used in a previous century to iron shirt sleeves.
“a lot of people said that glass orb was really something that had been used in a previous century to iron shirt sleeves.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:28:02.9-00:28:09.3 hearsay
1147
The Project Serpo materials consist of anonymous emails and posts claiming a secret United States alien exchange programme in the 1960s and 1970s.
“There's allegedly anonymous emails and posts claiming a secret 1960s, 1970s US alien exchange program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:28:21.4-00:28:30.9 hearsay second hand
1148
Most researchers consider the Project Serpo materials either a hoax or a deliberate disinformation programme by the intelligence community.
“which I have to say most researchers consider either a hoax or a deliberate disinformation program by the intelligence community.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:28:32.2-00:28:39.5 opinion first hand
1149
There is no verifiable evidence supporting the claims made in the Project Serpo materials.
“there's no verifiable evidence to actually support the claims that they make.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:28:49.2-00:28:53.2 opinion first hand
1150
Ross Coulthart knows that data is kept on what the United States knows about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) phenomenon, though he does not know whether it is called The Yellow Book or The Red Book.
“I certainly know that there is data kept on what the US knows about this phenomenon. I don't know if it's called the yellow book or the red book”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:29:03.2-00:29:13.0 testimony first hand
1151
Ross Coulthart and Tom DeLonge spoke very recently, before the 2026-08-11 episode.
“Tom DeLonge and I spoke very recently.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:29:43.6-00:29:45.4 testimony first hand
1152
Tom DeLonge remains engaged and interested in the Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) subject and never let it go.
“Tom is still very much engaged and interested in the UFO subject. He never let it go.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:03.4-00:30:08.7 testimony first hand
1153
Ross Coulthart began investigating Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) with the intention of debunking the topic.
“i have heard you say several times that you began investigating UFOs with the intention of debunking the topic”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:22.8-00:30:27.6 testimony second hand
1154
Ross Coulthart wrote letters to people he assumed might know something about The Legacy Program, and the responses were the most significant thing that changed his mind about Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs).
“probably the most significant was as a result of a whole lot of letters that I wrote to people who I just assumed might know something about the legacy program if it existed.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:39.0-00:30:49.9 testimony first hand
1155
Ross Coulthart received a reply letter from Nat Kobitz and subsequently had a series of phone calls and online meetings with him.
“I got a letter back and then eventually I had a whole series of phone calls and meetings online with a wonderful man called Nat Kobitz”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:51.1-00:30:59.2 testimony first hand
1156
Nat Kobitz was the former director of science, technology and development for the entire United States Navy.
“Nat Kobitz, who was the former director of science, technology and development for the entire US Navy.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:30:58.7-00:31:06.3 administrative first hand
1157
Nat Kobitz lived in Baltimore.
“he was a wisecracking Brooklyn Jew, lived in Baltimore.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:11.8-00:31:15.6 administrative first hand
1158
When Ross Coulthart spoke with him, Nat Kobitz was dying slowly from cancer and was staying with his daughter.
“He was sadly, when I spoke to him, dying very slowly from cancer and he was staying with his daughter”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:16.7-00:31:21.4 testimony first hand
1159
Nat Kobitz passed away while he and Ross Coulthart were in the process of talking extensively about what he knew.
“I can reveal Nat's name because sadly he passed away while he and I were in the process of talking extensively about what he knew.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:30.2-00:31:37.9 testimony first hand
1160
Nat Kobitz introduced Ross Coulthart to people who had direct knowledge of The Legacy Program.
“It was Nat who introduced me to people who had direct knowledge of the program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:31:53.3-00:32:00.4 testimony first hand
1161
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart he had been read in, that is national security briefed, into The Legacy Program.
“Nat also told me that he had been read in i.e. security briefed national security briefed into the legacy program”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:02.3-00:32:12.0 testimony second hand
1162
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that the United States has recovered multiple non-human craft.
“the fact that the United States has recovered quote multiple non-human craft”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:12.5-00:32:18.3 testimony second hand
1163
Nat Kobitz was an expert on electron beam welding, an almost invisible weld.
“because he was an expert on a particular type of welding called, I think it's called electron beam welding, which is an almost invisible weld”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:22.9-00:32:30.8 testimony first hand
1164
Nat Kobitz was invited to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base after he left the employment of the United States Navy, while Ross Coulthart suspects he still held a security clearance.
“after he left the employee of the US Navy, but while I suspect he still had a security clearance, ... He was invited to come to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:32.1-00:32:41.1 testimony second hand
1165
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is the most mythologised air force base in United States UFO history.
“Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, the most mythologized Air Force Base in US UFO history.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:45.4-00:32:52.4 opinion first hand
1166
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart he was taken deep underground at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to what was clearly a highly secure installation.
“And he was taken deep underground to what he says was clearly a highly secure installation.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:32:53.3-00:32:59.8 testimony second hand
1167
Nat Kobitz acknowledged to Ross Coulthart that what he was shown underground at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was probably pieces of an alien spacecraft.
“where he was shown what in the end he acknowledged to me was probably bits of an alien spacecraft”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:01.0-00:33:07.1 testimony second hand
1168
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that the item he was shown at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was a piece of broken bulkhead that was incredibly feather-light despite being very large.
“what he saw was a piece of broken bulkhead that was incredibly feather light even though it was a very large bit of bulkhead”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:08.6-00:33:15.2 testimony second hand
1169
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart he was asked at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to examine two metals joined in the bulkhead to determine how they had been joined.
“they were asking him to look at two metals that were joined in that bulkhead to see how they'd been joined”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:16.5-00:33:22.0 testimony second hand
1170
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that those examining the bulkhead at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base thought the join might be electron beam welding, but it was not.
“They thought it might be the technique that he was familiar with, electron beam welding, but it wasn't.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:23.9-00:33:29.0 testimony second hand
1171
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart that the two metals in the bulkhead at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base were bonded at the atomic level, a type of almost three-dimensional bonding of two different metals that defied his understanding as a scientist.
“he said to me with total awe that this was bonded at the atomic level, that it was a type of almost 3D construction of bonding of two different types of metal in a way that he said completely defied his understanding as a scientist.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:30.7-00:33:49.4 testimony second hand
1172
Nat Kobitz was one of the top scientists in the United States Navy.
“this is one of the top scientists in the US Navy.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:33:52.2-00:33:55.4 opinion first hand
1173
Nat Kobitz had worked at China Lake and had been inside top secret facilities buried in hillsides in different parts of the United States.
“And he'd been all over the place, China Lake. He'd seen all the top secret facilities. He'd been inside all the big hillsides buried in different parts of America.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:34:09.3-00:34:18.9 testimony second hand
1174
Nat Kobitz told Ross Coulthart privately that there is no good reason why the American public should not know the truth about Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
“And I can only reiterate what he told me privately. There is no good reason why the American public shouldn't know the truth, which is why he shared what he shared with me”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:34:32.8-00:34:46.5 opinion second hand
1175
In 2024, a document was discovered in the Vatican archives mentioning that Estonian peasants reported dragon sightings not long after the 1561 Nuremberg celestial phenomenon.
“in 2024, there was a discovery in the Vatican archives that made mention of things that Estonian peasants were reporting not many years afterwards”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:34:36.3-00:34:48.7 administrative first hand
1176
Through Nat Kobitz's instigation and introductions, Ross Coulthart met people inside The Legacy Program who put everything on the line to tell him what they knew.
“as a result of his instigation and his introductions, I met some fabulous, brave, courageous people inside the legacy program who put everything on the line to tell me what they knew.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:34:56.2-00:35:10.3 testimony first hand
1177
In the week of the 2026-08-11 episode, the President of the United States used the word extraterrestrial.
“in a week when we've had the president use the ET word, that's quite something.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:35:30.9-00:35:35.9 testimony first hand
1178
Ross Coulthart does not expect a slowing down in what is now a very wacky and wild ride in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) research.
“And I don't think we're going to see a slowing down in what is now a very wacky and wild ride in UAP research.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:35:36.7-00:35:45.6 opinion first hand
1179
Ross Coulthart hopes another tranche of the UFO files is released soon and that it is less underwhelming than the releases to date.
“He is hoping we get another UFO files tranche soon and that it's more overwhelming or less underwhelming than what we've seen to date.”
Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 2026-08-11 00:35:46.6-00:35:55.9 opinion first hand
1180
Alexander Deyev set up a laboratory in the house above the Merivalja object.
“he set up a laboratory in the house, which must have driven the owners crazy”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:36:05.0-00:36:10.4 observation first hand
1181
Alexander Deyev allegedly used D-generators, described as energy-creating devices, supposedly to try to lure the Merivalja object to the surface.
“he started using his alleged D-generators... these energy creating devices that he used supposedly to try and lure the UFO craft to come to the surface”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:36:11.5-00:36:25.1 hearsay
1182
Illustrations published in Estonian media, sourced from Committee for State Security (KGB) files, show a gigantic object underneath the Merivalja garden.
“there are illustrations that have been published in the media in Estonia from the KGB files that show a gigantic object underneath this garden”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:38:02.6-00:38:14.0 administrative second hand
1183
The illustrations of the Merivalja object from Committee for State Security (KGB) files look like a UFO, a flying saucer, a disc.
“It looks like, dare I say, Mart, a UFO, a flying saucer, a disc.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:38:16.0-00:38:21.9 opinion first hand
1184
Mart Sander brought a well-known Swedish psychic to attempt to communicate with the Merivalja object.
“you brought one of Sweden's most illustrious and well-known psychics across from Sweden, and they tried to communicate with the object”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:39:07.4-00:39:14.9 testimony second hand
1185
There are photographs from the time of the Soviet retrieval attempt showing the tunnel built down through the Merivalja garden.
“there are photographs from the time of the Soviet retrieval showing the tunnel that was built down through the garden”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:42:05.7-00:42:12.9 administrative
1186
The tunnel dug down through the Merivalja garden during the Soviet excavation went down as far as about 10 metres at one stage.
“I think it went down as far as 10 meters at one stage”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:42:13.3-00:42:16.0 measurement first hand
1187
No photograph of the actual Merivalja object has ever been produced, despite photographs existing of people standing inside the excavation tunnel.
“you never see a photograph of the actual object... why the hell is there no picture of the actual object?”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:42:20.8-00:42:28.5 observation first hand
1188
Ufologist Igor Volker claimed in the Estonian media that there were actually two objects beneath the Merivalja property.
“very dramatic claims aired in the Estonian media by a ufologist called Igor Volker, and he suggested there were actually two objects beneath the property”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:44:05.9-00:44:16.5 hearsay second hand
1189
Igor Volker claimed one of the two objects beneath the Merivalja property was an elliptical disc measuring 17 by 22 metres.
“One elliptical, the disc, which was enormous, 17 by 22 meters.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:44:17.8-00:44:20.9 hearsay second hand
1190
Igor Volker claimed the other object beneath the Merivalja property was grenade-shaped and measured two by four metres.
“The other was a grenade-shaped object, two by four meters.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:44:23.8-00:44:27.0 hearsay second hand
1191
There were claims of a headset the Soviets were trying to obtain that allegedly allowed a psychic connection with the craft supposedly retrieved from one of the objects beneath the Merivalja property.
“There was even talk of some kind of headset that the Soviets were trying to get hold of that allowed the psychic connection with the craft allegedly retrieved from one of these objects.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:44:27.4-00:44:38.0 hearsay
1192
No hard evidence was ever produced for either of the two objects Igor Volker claimed were beneath the Merivalja property.
“we never saw any hard evidence of either of these objects, did we?”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:44:41.4-00:44:45.5 observation first hand
1193
The Committee for State Security (KGB) spent years investigating the Merivalja object and spent an enormous amount of money on it.
“It spent years investigating this. It spent an enormous amount of money.”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 00:46:12.6-00:46:17.4 observation first hand
1194
Geologist Anto Raukas suggested the Merivalja object was actually a forgotten military super alloy developed during World War I at the local Tallinn shipyard.
“there was a geologist called Anto Raukus that suggested that it was actually a forgotten military super alloy that was developed in World War I. that was developed in the local Tallinn shipyard”
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Anto Raukas suggested the alleged super alloy was hurriedly buried at Merivalja in 1917 to conceal it from advancing German forces during fears the Germans would take over the area.
“when they were fearing that the Germans might take over this part of Estonia in 1917, the suggestion was it was hurriedly buried in this particular location in Merivälja in order to conceal it from the advancing Germans”
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The Soviets probably spent hundreds of thousands of rubles, if not millions, digging around the Merivalja house.
“They probably spent hundreds of thousands of rubles, if not millions.”
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There were claims that during the Soviet digs at the Merivalja house, paranormal poltergeist phenomena were reported, including books flying across the room and pillows being shredded.
“there was all sorts of paranormal poltergeist phenomena reported at the house during this time. Books flying across the room, pillows getting shredded.”
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A dog was reportedly thrown through a window a couple of times during the Soviet excavation at the Merivalja house.
“I think a dog was thrown a couple of times through a window.”
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A decision was made, after the advice of a mystic called Vormsi Enn, that the Merivalja object needed to be reburied.
“there was a decision made after the advice of a mystic called Vormsi Enn that this thing needed to be reburied”
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By 1985-11-15, the excavation shaft at the Merivalja site had been completely filled in.
“I think by 15th of November, 1985, the hole was all filled in.”
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After Glasnost and the end of the Cold War, the West began learning about the Merivalja object.
“Now, Glasnost came, the end of the Cold War, and all of a sudden the West could get in and we started hearing about the Merivälja object”
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Asahi TV, the biggest television network in Japan, reportedly turned up and paid an enormous amount of money for access to the Merivalja garden.
“Japanese TV, Asahi TV, the biggest TV network in Japan, apparently turned up. They paid an enormous amount of money, apparently, to get access to the garden.”
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The 1991 Japanese team conducted ground-penetrating radar searches of the Merivalja garden, which were photographed and filmed on video.
“And they did ground penetrating radar searches, which there are photographs of. There's even video of them doing this.”
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The 1991 Japanese team also carried out electromagnetic sensing at the Merivalja garden.
“We also know they did electromagnetic sensing.”
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There is speculation that the Japanese television team that investigated the Merivalja garden in 1991 was in fact intelligence cover for the Americans.
“There is speculation that that so-called Japanese team was in fact intelligence cover for the Americans.”
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Ross Coulthart made inquiries with Asahi TV in Japan and found that nobody at Asahi TV could find any record of the story about the 1991 investigation of the Merivalja object in their files.
“I've actually made inquiries in Japan with Asahi TV because that's who it was reported to be. And nobody at Asahi TV could find anything about this UFO story in their files.”
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Ross Coulthart has a strong suspicion, based on what he has been told by people in Estonia, that the 1991 Japanese team investigating the Merivalja garden may have been Japanese-looking people operating undercover for the Americans.
“But I have a strong suspicion from what I've been told by people in Estonia that this might have been a group of Japanese looking people who were operating undercover for the Americans to find out what was on this site”
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There is no published record of what the 1991 Japanese team allegedly found during their investigation of the Merivalja garden.
“because there is no published record as to what it was that this Japanese team allegedly found.”
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1209
The Estonian Academy of Sciences gave credit to the idea that the metallic fragments recovered from the Merivalja object were anomalous.
“What we do know is the Estonian Academy of Scientists did give credit to the idea that the metallic fragments that were recovered were anomalous.”
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Alexander Deyev, a KGB (Committee for State Security) figure, promoted the Merivalja object as anomalous.
“the gentleman from the KGB who was promoting this as being an anomalous object, Alexander Deyev,”
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Alexander Deyev was discredited by Estonian investigations into the alleged worthlessness of his smoky glass orb (D field generator) device.
“He was discredited in a really serious way by Estonian investigations into the alleged worthlessness of his D-generator device.”
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Alexander Deyev was hounded out of Estonia for being considered a fraud.
“Basically, he was hounded out of Estonia for being a bit of a fraud, wasn't he?”
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Ross Coulthart wonders whether discrediting Alexander Deyev as a hoaxer was a cover-up intended to stop the West from taking an interest in the Merivalja object as the Cold War ended.
“Well, I'm just wondering if it wasn't a cover-up. I mean, one good way of stopping the West from taking an interest in this object at the beginning of the end of the Cold War as Glasnost began would be to suggest the whole thing was just a silly hoax by this Alexander Deyev guy.”
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There is no evidence that a disc-shaped craft hidden under the Merivalja house was ever retrieved by the Soviets or by any administration after the Soviets left Estonia.
“there's no evidence if there was a gigantic disc-shaped craft hidden under that house, there is no evidence that it was ever retrieved by the Soviets or any administration after the Soviets left Estonia, is there?”
Object M: The buried Estonian mystery the KGB spent years trying to reach | Reality Check 2026-08-11 01:01:53.0-01:02:07.4 administrative first hand
1215
Sean Chittle is a special advisor to the president and senior director at the Executive Office of the President of the United States.
“A special advisor to the president, Sean Chittle ... Sean Chittle, senior director at the executive office of the president.”
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Whitley Strieber has written over 30 novels and non-fiction works.
“the hugely successful author of over 30 novels and nonfiction works”
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Communion and Breakthrough are bestselling books by Whitley Strieber.
“including the bestsellers Communion and Breakthrough”
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Whitley Strieber calls the non-human beings he describes encountering "the visitors".
“His experiences with the beings he calls the visitors”
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Whitley Strieber is a controversial and leading figure in the study of alleged experiencer close encounters, in Ross Coulthart's assessment.
“have made him a controversial and leading figure in the study of alleged experiencer close encounters”
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Whitley Strieber's accounts of his own alleged abduction experiences began at his remote cabin in upstate New York in 1985-12.
“his personal accounts of his own paranormal abduction experiences from his remote cabin in upstate New York in December 1985”
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Whitley Strieber's book Communion, about being taken by non-human sentient beings, was a New York Times bestseller.
“his book, Communion, where he wrote about being taken by non-human sentient beings was a huge New York Times bestseller”
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Ross Coulthart has met many people who describe encounter experiences that were triggered by the image of the grey alien on the cover of the original edition of Whitley Strieber's Communion.
“I've lost count of the number of people I've met who describe experiences and how they were triggered by the image of the grey alien on the front cover of the original copy of Communion”
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Transformation 2026 is a substantially expanded and updated reissue of Whitley Strieber's 1988 non-fiction book Transformation.
“His latest book, Transformation 2026, is a substantially expanded and updated reissue of his 1988 nonfiction book, Transformation”
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Whitley Strieber's book Transformation was the sequel to Communion.
“which was the sequel to Communion”
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Ross Coulthart attended a consciousness conference in Barcelona in 2025.
“I went to a conference last year in Barcelona”
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At the Barcelona consciousness conference, scientists including Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose discussed non-local consciousness and the idea that the human brain is an attenuator, transmitter and receiver rather than a computer.
“the number of consciousness scientists, notably people like Stuart Hameroff, Roger Penrose, who were talking about non-local consciousness and the idea that the human brain, it's more of an attenuator, a transmitter, a receiver than it is a computer”
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Ross Coulthart considers that what the consciousness scientists at the Barcelona conference described - a brain able to plug into an external unitary or Akashic field - is inherently the idea of a soul.
“realizing that what they were talking about inherently was the idea of a soul, the idea that that we have a spiritual entity within us that is external to our physical meat bodies.”
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1228
Robert Monroe is the founder of The Monroe Institute.
“Bob Munro is the founder of the Munro Institute”
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The Monroe Institute championed the idea of using a particular type of Hemi-Sync meditation to connect with something else.
“which championed the idea of using a particular type of hemisync meditation to connect with something else”
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Ross Coulthart considers it too glib and too simple to say that the beings behind the phenomenon are little green men from Zeta Reticuli, though some of them may be.
“It's too glib and too simple to say that they're little green men from Zeta Reticuli. Maybe some of them are.”
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1231
Hundreds to thousands of people have engaged Ross Coulthart on the idea that there is something intrinsic in human consciousness that allows humans to connect with the phenomenon.
“this aspect that you and indeed hundreds, thousands of people have engaged me on. It's this idea that there is something intrinsic in human consciousness that allows us to connect in the way that you're describing.”
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Slide nine of the Pentagon's private briefing to one of its undersecretaries on the phenomenon states that the phenomenon is able to manipulate human perception and can remotely interfere with what humans can see and experience.
“what the Pentagon has said privately in its briefings to one of its undersecretaries in slide nine, where it talks about how the phenomenon is able to manipulate human perception. It can remotely interfere with what humans can see and experience.”
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Ross Coulthart characterises what the non-human beings did to Whitley Strieber - coming to his home, planting implants, attempting to abduct his son, taking his sperm, inflicting wounds and severe trauma - as unfriendly by any definition.
“I find the whole idea of a non-human being coming to somebody's home, planting implants in them, as we'll get into abducting your son, doing, I think, terrible invasive things to you, you know, when you're in a cart, stealing your sperm, you've suffered wounds, you've suffered, I think, mental injuries as a result, trauma, severe trauma. By any definition, this is bloody unfriendly.”
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Ross Coulthart considers that Anne Strieber, in her communications since her death, appears sympathetic to the idea that Whitley Strieber should engage with the visitors.
“And it appears she's sympathetic to the idea that you should engage with these beings, which suggests to me maybe they're not what we think they are.”
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Many people have contacted Ross Coulthart saying that the Greys are working with beings called the Mantids, and that the Mantids are superior beings directing things behind the scenes.
“a lot of people have suggested to me that the greys are working with beings called the Mantids. I get a lot of people contacting me saying that the Mantids are the superior beings that are basically directing things behind the scenes.”
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1236
The Greys are often speculated to be biological robots.
“the idea of using biological robots, which is often what the greys are speculated to be”
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Arthur Ernest Exon was allegedly heavily involved in the retrieval of the Roswell craft in 1947.
“General Art Exon, who was allegedly heavily involved in the retrieval of the Roswell craft in 1947”
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Ross Coulthart considers this a moment in history in which a United States president is for the first time talking publicly about potentially disclosing on the phenomenon.
“I'm fascinated that we're at a moment in history right now where a president for the first time is talking publicly about potentially disclosing.”
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1239
Ross Coulthart says many people in Australia look up to the United States and have been heartened by its moral leadership since World War Two.
“A lot of us in Australia look up to America and have been, I think, heartened by its moral leadership since World War Two.”
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Ross Coulthart states that the Roswell wreckage was allegedly taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where Arthur Ernest Exon was a former commanding general.
“you were reached out to by a former commanding general of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where the Roswell wreckage was allegedly taken”
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Ross Coulthart considers that a decision must have been made somewhere in the leadership, perhaps in the United States Air Force or the legacy programme, that Whitley Strieber needed a briefing after he published Communion in the 1980s.
“One assumes that a decision was made somewhere in the leadership, perhaps in the US Air Force or the legacy program, that you needed a briefing after you published communion in the 80s.”
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Critics have accused Whitley Strieber of blurring fiction and nonfiction in his books.
“a lot of people have taken a swipe at you because they say that you're blurring fiction and nonfiction”
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Critics of the use of hypnosis in Whitley Strieber's accounts argue it takes the subject into a hypnagogic state and is an unreliable form of evidence used to substantiate things that are not real.
“there's also strong criticisms of the use of hypnosis because it's essentially taking you into a hypnagogic state and people charged that what that's doing is essentially using an unreliable form of evidence to substantiate things that aren't, allegedly aren't real”
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Ross Coulthart considers Whitley Strieber a brilliant fiction writer.
“I'm fascinated because you are a brilliant fiction writer.”
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Whitley Strieber's novel The Hunger was made into a film starring David Bowie.
“I loved The Hunger, which was made into that fantastic movie with David Bowie.”
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Ross Coulthart regards the central mystery of the UAP subject as the question of why the secrecy persists 80 years after World War Two.
“the central mystery in the whole UAP mystery is to me, why the secrecy? You know, why is it 80 years on from World War II?”
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Ross Coulthart does not expect Donald Trump to make a significant disclosure, considering him intimidated by the national security state and likely to offer only a few blurry videos and something for Congress to get excited about.
“i don't think he's going to Whitley i think he's going to wimp it i think he's intimidated by the national security state and he's probably going to give us a few blurry videos and give something for congress to get excited about but i don't think we're going to see any significant disclosure”
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Joseph Helt was with a group of friends whose car broke down and got stuck in snow, and he decided to walk approximately eight kilometres along a lonely road to get help.
“he was with a group of friends whose car broke down. It got stuck in snow. ... He decided to walk five miles to get help along a lonely road.”
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Whitley Strieber found the Joseph Helt case by searching online and with artificial intelligence tools for missing-persons cases, prompted by a memory that there had been such a case in his area, and then sent a note about it to Ross Coulthart.
“I was Googling or looking in AI or somewhere about missing persons cases, because I had somewhere in the back of my mind a memory that there had been a missing persons case in our area. And I found that's when I found that and sent you that note.”
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Joseph Helt was an 18-year-old walking down a road at three o'clock in the morning when he disappeared, and there has never been a satisfactory explanation for his disappearance.
“still joseph hill literally disappeared 18 year old kid walking down a road in the middle of the night three o'clock in the morning never seen again and there's never been a satisfactory explanation for his disappearance”
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Ross Coulthart considers the Joseph Helt case to suggest a malevolence in the beings, and that they are not what they seem.
“It suggests to me there's a malevolence there, that they're not what they seem. The owls are not what they seem.”
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Ross Coulthart wonders whether the so-called drones and objects seen across the continental United States, across Europe, in Russia and in China, buzzing civil and military airspace, are the phenomenon at least in part trying to twig human consciousness.
“I wonder whether the big shows we've seen, the so-called drones or objects that have been seen right across the continental United States and right across Europe and indeed in Russia and China, these mysterious objects that have been buzzing civil and military airspace, I wonder if they're the phenomenon, at least in part, trying to twig our consciousness.”
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Ross Coulthart considers the thesis developed in the interview a plausible explanation for why people in the United States Air Force and private military aerospace who know about the phenomenon keep it to themselves.
“it might just provide a plausible explanation for why the people in the US Air Force and private military aerospace that know about this phenomenon and know a hell of a lot more than they're letting on are keeping it to themselves”
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