Brief
William Perry
The claims the writer was given for William Perry, in the order they were given.
1
Thomas Wilson ran into William Perry in May 1997 and discussed the matter quietly, and Perry suggested the same approach as General M. Ward.
“Ran into Bill Perry in May '97 - talked about this quietly - he suggested the same thing”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:11578-11661 testimony first hand
2
Thomas Wilson was told of a special projects record group that did not belong to the usual Special Access Programs (SAP), being a special subset of unacknowledged, carve-out, and waived programmes not belonging to the usual SAP divisions organised in 1994 by William Perry, set apart from and buried or covered by conventional SAPs.
“They told me of a special projects record group not belonging to usual SAP - a special subset of the unacknowledged/carve-outs/waived programs - not belonging to usual SAP divisions as organized in '94 by Perry himself - set apart from rest but buried/covered by conventional SAPs”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:11669-11945 testimony first hand
3
Michael Kostelnik was director of special programmes in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics (OUSDAT), as reorganised by William Perry in 1994.
“In Paul's office (OUSDAT) - dir. of special programs in OUSDAT (Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics) as organized (re-organized) by Perry in '94”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:12087-12277 administrative first hand
4
Michael Kostelnik told Thomas Wilson the programme's security budget was typically two to three times the programme budget, but at times went as high as six to seven times the core budget, which Kostelnik thought was absurdly high; William Perry wanted an investigation into that but was told to drop it.
“Talked to Mike who said it was like 2-3 times the program budget, but there were times when it went as high as 6-7 times core budget, thought it was absurdly high, said Perry wanted investigation on that but was told to drop it.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:12879-13104 testimony second hand
5
William Perry ordered the security budget reporting issues to be reorganised and straightened out to improve audit transparency.
“TW: Perry ordered all these issues to be reorganized and straightened out to improve audit transparency.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:13754-13841 testimony first hand
6
Thomas Wilson made several calls at the end of May 1997, first to Paul Kaminski, Michael Kostelnik and William Perry, to confirm he had the right contractor and programme manager to talk to, and they confirmed it.
“TW: I made several calls (end of May '97), first to Paul, Mike & Perry to confirm I had right contractor and program manager to talk to. EWD: They confirm? TW: Yes.”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:14381-14539 testimony first hand
7
The programme manager asked Thomas Wilson who he had talked to before calling them, and was unhappy with his answer, but Wilson did not tell them he had talked to William Perry and Paul Kaminski.
“TW: Yes! Asked who I talked to before I called them so I told them and they weren't happy with that answer. ... TW: Oh, no! I didn't tell them I talked to those guys!”
EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson 2002-10-16 char:15351-15545 testimony first hand
8
The Admiral Wilson memo named Department of Defence Major General Marshal Ward and William Perry, a former Secretary of Defence, as having told Tom Wilson he should examine files in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition and Technology.
“The memo named a Department of Defence Major General Marshal Ward and William Perry, a former Secretary of Defence, as having told Wilson he should examine files in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition and Technology.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:13574-13804 hearsay second hand
9
The memo names the three people Tom Wilson confirmed the Program's contractor with as Paul Kaminski, Director of Special Programs in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics; Mike Kostelnik, Director of the Special Access Programs Coordination Office and executive secretary for the SAP Oversight Committee; and former Defence Secretary William Perry.
“Dr Paul Kaminski (Director of Special Programs in the office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics); Brigadier General Mike Kostelnik (Director of the Special Access Programs Coordination Office and executive secretary for the SAP Oversight Committee); and former Defence Secretary Bill Perry.”
In Plain Sight 2023-11-17 ch26:15339-15691 hearsay second hand
10
Barry Williams was the president of the Skeptics Association (Australia).
“Barry Williams, who was the president of the skeptics association.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:38:20.2-01:38:22.9 administrative first hand
11
Barry Williams stated in a lecture that alien abductions involving female witnesses are attributable to the menstrual cycle.
“he's another one that made a comment that, um, uh, alien abductions with females happens due to the menstrual cycle.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:38:25.3-01:38:32.5 opinion second hand
12
During the lecture, Peter Khoury stood up and challenged Barry Williams to explain how his menstrual-cycle explanation accounted for male alien abduction witnesses, and Barry Williams responded by asserting control of the lecture and telling Peter Khoury to sit down.
“So I stood up and said, but how do you explain men? And he's like, this is my lecture, my talk, you sit down, you know, he attacked the hell out of me.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:38:52.7-01:38:59.7 testimony first hand
13
Peter Khoury told Barry Williams that he was giving him permission to examine and try to destroy his case, and told him he could not do it.
“And I said, Barry, take on my case and destroy it. I'm giving you permission, destroy it if you can. I go, but you know, you can't.”
UFO Witness Reveals CHILLING Daytime Alien Encounter - Peter Khoury - DEBRIEFED ep. 58 2025-10-17 01:39:01.9-01:39:09.8 testimony first hand