Brief
USA, Nevada, S4
The claims the writer was given for USA, Nevada, S4, in the order they were given.
1
Dave Fruehauf, who was one of the people running logistics at Area 51, confirmed to Ross Coulthart before his death that he had heard about the existence of S4, though he had never been there.
“I strongly know that S4 is real because I spoke to Dave Fruehauf before he died. who was essentially one of the people running logistics at Area 51, who confirmed to me that he'd heard about the existence of S4. He'd never been there”
The DANGEROUS Truth About UFOs - Ross Coulthart | DEBRIEFED ep. 76 2026-02-20 02:00:44.9-02:00:58.9 testimony second hand
2
When Bob Lazar read briefing papers at S4, the military reported that the Greys considered humans as containers, and that humans were given religion so they would not damage the containers.
“the the the military reported that the greys considered humans as containers and we were given religion so that we wouldn't damage the containers”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:31:38.2-01:31:50.0 hearsay second hand
3
The military may have since developed directed-energy weapons designed to pull down smaller scout craft and fill their secret bases such as S4.
“then they may have since developed more directed energy weapons uh designed to uh directly uh pull down these these smaller scout craft uh and and fill their coffers you know their secret bases their s4s”
"Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 2026-04-24 01:47:25.1-01:47:50.1 opinion
4
A person named Chuck Payne worked at USA, Nevada, S4.
“I can tell you the person, the name of another person that no one has heard of that worked there. His name was Chuck Payne.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:02:03.4-00:02:10.8 testimony first hand
5
Bob Lazar intentionally withheld the name Chuck Payne for a long time because Chuck Payne was a well-known, overt security person at USA, Nevada, S4.
“I always intentionally withheld several things about S4 because Chuck Payne was a really well-known guy because he really stood out as this, I don't know, overt security person.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:04:05.4-00:04:19.2 testimony first hand
6
Chuck Payne was one of the security guards at USA, Nevada, S4.
“He was one of the security guards there.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:04:23.0-00:04:25.5 testimony first hand
7
Unlike most of the tight-lipped and quiet security guards at USA, Nevada, S4, Chuck Payne was an extrovert who greeted Bob Lazar and others personally.
“of all the security guards around there were very tight-lipped and quiet and really had minimal interaction with them, Chuck was different and he stood out... he was the only one that was just a bit of an extrovert.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:04:46.6-00:05:09.7 testimony first hand
8
Chuck Payne was well known to everyone who worked at USA, Nevada, S4, such that anyone naming a security guard there would name him.
“If somebody said, you know, name a guard's name, they'd say Chuck Payne.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:05:32.0-00:05:35.4 testimony first hand
9
The 'Chuck Payne' who is a senator and comes up in an online search of the name is a different person from the Chuck Payne who Bob Lazar said worked as a security guard at USA, Nevada, S4.
“the Chuck Payne that you are going to find should you Google this name is not the Chuck Payne as mentioned in the interview with Bob that worked at S4. it is a senator”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:09:06.6-00:09:16.0 administrative first hand
10
As Bob Lazar approached the meeting with Dennis Mariani, he saw other faces coming from Dennis Mariani's direction that he recognised as having seen at USA, Nevada, S4.
“as I walked in, I saw other faces that I've seen at S4 walk by me coming from his direction.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:14:54.2-00:15:00.9 observation first hand
11
Bob Lazar believes the unfamiliar faces he saw near Dennis Mariani at the Union Plaza Hotel meeting were security personnel from USA, Nevada, S4.
“No, I think they were security.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:15:42.6-00:15:43.3 opinion first hand
12
Dennis Mariani would stare at Bob Lazar for 20 minutes in a menacing way during the bus ride to USA, Nevada, S4.
“the same guy who'd stare at you for 20 minutes in that ride to S4 menacingly”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:19:58.3-00:20:02.9 testimony first hand
13
The bus that transported Bob Lazar to USA, Nevada, S4 had no window to look out of.
“And there's not even a window to look out of it. So you just look at the back of the driver's head.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:20:24.9-00:20:28.6 observation first hand
14
Dennis Mariani invited Bob Lazar to come see a test flight outside at USA, Nevada, S4.
“But he's also the guy that was like, hey, come see this launch outside. Come see this test flight, right?”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:20:30.0-00:20:36.4 testimony first hand
15
Bob Lazar and his colleagues at USA, Nevada, S4 were told there would be a test at two o'clock and to be in the big hangar.
“Said, you know, there's going to be a test at two o'clock. You guys get your stuff done. Be out there in the big hangar.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:20:58.8-00:21:04.2 testimony first hand
16
Bob Lazar speculates that he and his colleagues may not have been supposed to know how the craft got out of the hangar at USA, Nevada, S4.
“maybe we're not supposed to know how it got out of the hangar”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:21:29.8-00:21:32.2 opinion first hand
17
Bob Lazar hinted to Barry that the technology they worked on at USA, Nevada, S4 should not be kept secret, and Barry seemed to silently agree.
“I kind of hinted around to Barry about, you know, wow, this is, all of this shouldn't be kept secret. You know, Barry never really wanted to talk about it, but it seemed like He was, he agreed with me, you know, without saying so.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:23:10.0-00:23:28.0 testimony first hand
18
Chuck Payne was a security guard doing his job at USA, Nevada, S4, and Bob Lazar does not hold ill will towards him.
“there's nothing, I mean, Chuck Payne was doing his job... you can't harbor ill will towards these guys.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:26:46.0-00:26:51.5 opinion first hand
19
Bob Lazar states his mind was completely clear every time he was at USA, Nevada, S4 and denies that anyone tampered with his head or memory.
“No, they didn't mess with my head. It was a hundred percent clear every single time I was there. There is no doubt.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:28:34.8-00:28:41.4 testimony first hand
20
Bob Lazar believes there is a lot of nonsense mixed in with the reading material he was given at USA, Nevada, S4.
“i'm sure there's a lot of nonsense... no that was in there”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:29:54.1-00:29:57.4 opinion first hand
21
Bob Lazar's two directives at USA, Nevada, S4 were to duplicate the power and propulsion system using existing materials, and to disable the system from a distance using existing materials, both without budget limits.
“directive one was be able to duplicate this with existing materials and directive to be able to disable this system from a distance with existing materials. No budget limits in either one.”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:31:20.7-00:31:35.4 testimony first hand
22
Bob Lazar was allowed to review three briefings during his document readings at USA, Nevada, S4: Galileo, Sidekick, and Looking Glass.
“out of the three briefings that you were allowed to peruse during your document readings, you had Galileo... You had Sidekick... And then you had looking glass”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 00:31:59.2-00:32:12.8 testimony second hand
23
Bob Lazar speculates that if anyone influenced his being hired at USA, Nevada, S4, it was Edward Teller, who told someone to give the young man from USA, New Mexico, Los Alamos a chance.
“if anything it was it was teller... he said hey there's this kid in los alamos and uh to give him a shot or whatever”
Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 2026-05-08 448-460 opinion first hand
24
Bob Lazar is the only person to have said he worked on the craft itself, at S4 in 1989.
“you only have one Bob Lazar, a guy who actually, you know, at S4 in 1989 said he worked on the craft itself”
The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 2026-07-14 00:56:25.6-00:56:32.1 testimony second hand
25
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, two of the six recruited monastic remote viewers were especially talented and were flown to S-4 in Nevada to communicate with a being.
“two of them were really talented and those two were flown out to S4 apparently um meant to communicate with this being”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:14:39.9-01:14:46.0 hearsay third hand
26
According to Jon Stewart, relayed by Chris Ramsay, the Carthusian monk in Vermont described hearing a being in his mind and speaking to the general or colonel present in the room at the same time, translating in real time.
“how they were you know literally he was like listening to in his mind and like talking to the general at the server colonel or whoever it was in the room at the same time like real time translating”
Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner 2026-07-17 01:18:04.1-01:18:14.5 hearsay third hand