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Reverse engineering of recovered craft of non-human origin
The claims the writer was given for Reverse engineering of recovered craft of non-human origin, in the order they were given.
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Harry Reid believed there was a grave danger that China and Russia, not similarly constrained, would make quantum leaps forward by exploiting UAP-based hardware and gain an irreversible technological advantage over the United States.
“In Reid's mind, there was a grave danger that China and Russia, who were not similarly handcuffed, would succeed in taking quantum leaps forward from exploiting UAP-based hardware and thus gain an irreversible technological upper hand over the United States.”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:45:34.7-00:45:56.0 opinion second hand
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Robert Bigelow considers the United States to be at a disadvantage in reverse engineering because the Russian and Chinese governments operate without the constraints placed on private companies in the United States and can make people disappear.
“China and Russia don't have those handcuffs, obviously. You know, they can make people disappear if they want it really easy. So their governments are entirely different than ours. And so we are at a disadvantage.”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:46:29.7-00:46:42.2 opinion first hand
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Robert Bigelow is aware that the effort to reverse engineer recovered craft is not easy.
“There are yes and there are things george um i am aware um the back engineering effort is is not easy”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:47:16.9-00:47:31.1 testimony first hand
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Robert Bigelow considers that a well-coordinated effort of support, conducted in strict secrecy, would greatly help the reverse engineering of recovered craft.
“So it would be a big help if there were a good coordinated effort of support and still in devout secrecy. There has to be, but it's just not easy”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:47:42.6-00:48:00.0 opinion first hand
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The Soviet Union had a large programme attempting to reverse engineer recovered craft, active as of 1993.
“And you recognize the Russians really did have a big program. They were trying to reverse engineer this stuff. ... 1993. ... Yeah. So over 30 years ago.”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 00:48:33.8-00:48:42.0 testimony first hand
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Companies acting as gatekeepers have kept the secret and done what the United States government asked of them for 80 years, attempting to reverse engineer the technology.
“Companies that have given their all, they've kept the secret. They did what our government asked them to do for 80 years. and and they've done their best to try to figure out the technology reverse engineer it”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 01:09:57.2-01:10:08.5 opinion first hand
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Robert Bigelow believes the aerospace companies that held the secret should be given a clean bill of health in return for the work they did on behalf of the American public.
“and you think that they should be given a clean bill of health uh in return for the work that they've done on the behalf of the american public right”
The Evolution of AAWSAP | Bigelow Podcast, Ep. 2 2026-08-11 01:10:10.0-01:10:17.7 opinion second hand
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The United States government formed a material recovery and exploitation programme for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
“The government not only was studying this, but then formed a, you know, material recovery and exploitation program.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:17.0-00:06:24.6 testimony first hand
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David Grusch brought to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and briefed United States Congress, both in classified and public settings, that the United States has had a programme recovering empirical evidence from landed or crashed Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
“simply what I brought to the Inspector General and what I briefed Congress both, you know, classified and in a public setting is the fact that we've had this recovery program of actually recovering that empirical evidence.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:34.9-00:06:45.9 testimony first hand
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Recovered Unidentified Aerial Phenomena material has been stashed in many different locations and all the big United States defence contractors are involved.
“kind of like the movie Indiana Jones, we've stashed it all over the place and all the big contractors are involved.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:46.6-00:06:52.6 testimony first hand
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The Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of Naval Intelligence and a number of federally funded research and development centers have been involved in the analysis of recovered Unidentified Aerial Phenomena material over the decades.
“the CIA, Office of Naval Intelligence, the something called federally funded research and development centers, a lot of them were involved in the analysis over the decades.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:06:53.9-00:07:02.9 testimony first hand
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Very few members of United States Congress and very few presidents knew about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena material recovery programme.
“very few people in Congress knew very few presidents knew as temporary employees”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:07:04.8-00:07:10.5 testimony first hand
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David Grusch is worried that unless Donald Trump has issued a historical document preservation hold, much of the information on the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena recovery programme is being destroyed at present, similar to the destruction of Project MKUltra records in the 1970s.
“I do worry if President Trump hasn't provided a either classified or otherwise, you know, historical document preservation notice hold, that a lot of the information on the UAP recovery program is being destroyed as we speak, akin to MKUltra in the 70s.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:09:25.3-00:09:42.4 opinion first hand
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David Grusch decided to go public because he saw nobody else taking the leadership needed on the material recovery and reverse engineering programme.
“I'm going to do what's right because I'm looking left and right. And I just don't see anybody else taking the leadership needed on this and talking about the real skeleton in the closet, which is this material recovery and reverse engineering program.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:16:50.3-00:17:05.4 testimony first hand
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People from the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena retrieval programme exfiltrated audiovisual evidence, both video and photographs, for David Grusch to see.
“I had folks from the retrieval program. I'll call it exfiltrates audiovisual evidence for me to see both video and photos.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:26.4-00:25:35.2 testimony first hand
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The audiovisual evidence shown to David Grusch by people from the retrieval programme depicted retrieved craft.
“And that was audiovisual evidence of the retrieved craft.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:35.6-00:25:38.6 testimony first hand
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The audiovisual evidence shown to David Grusch also depicted some of the dead cadavers recovered alongside the craft, which he referred to as the pilots in his interview with Nancy Mace.
“some of the dead cadavers that were recovered, you know, call it the pilots, as I said in my interview with Nancy Mace.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:25:40.0-00:25:46.9 testimony first hand
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David Grusch learned more about United States retrieval and reverse engineering of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) from a peer adversary's intelligence reporting than he did officially from his own government, until he began searching archives and speaking to people who supplied him with programme documentation.
“And I learned more from a particular peer adversary about what the U.S. was doing in terms of retrieval and reverse engineering of UAP than I learned from my own government officially until I started spelunking in different archives, talking to people that were able to provide me program documentation, et cetera.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:30:32.6-00:30:51.4 testimony first hand
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Starting in the early 2000s, when large sums were siphoned for the global war on terror, major defence contractors began conducting their own off-books retrievals of craft under the cognisance of certain government agencies.
“starting in the early 2000s when a lot of money was siphoned for the global war terror the the big defense contractors started doing their own uh retrievals sort of off books you know under the cognizance of certain government agencies”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:34.0-00:33:46.6 testimony first hand
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A substantial amount of recovered craft material is in private possession within defence contractor space, and the United States government does not have a full accounting of it, making exact numbers hard to establish.
“so there's a lot in i'll call it you know private possession in defense contractor space that I think the government doesn't have a full accounting on. So it's really hard to get exact numbers.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:47.7-00:33:58.6 opinion first hand
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Several dozen vehicles of non-human origin have been recovered over the last eight or nine decades.
“But certainly we've recovered several dozen dozen vehicles over the last eight, nine decades or so.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:33:59.8-00:34:05.7 testimony first hand
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David Grusch has seen pictures or video of the life forms piloting the recovered craft, and of cadavers.
“Phil McGraw: And you have also seen pictures or video or both of life forms that are piloting these craft as well. You've seen the cadavers. David Grusch: Yeah.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:01.7-00:36:20.4 testimony first hand
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It is historically true, as claimed in public lore, that some recovered vehicles were empty with no pilots present.
“it is true in some of the lore in the public space, we've recovered vehicles that were empty and the pilots were not there. That actually, is a true historical statement.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:26.7-00:36:35.7 testimony first hand
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Some of the recovered craft were piloted.
“But yes, some of it was piloted.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:36:36.2-00:36:37.8 testimony first hand
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Pilots or occupants of the recovered craft have been taken alive, to David Grusch's knowledge.
“Phil McGraw: Have any of these... pilots or occupants of these craft, to your knowledge, been taken alive? David Grusch: Yes.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:50.2-00:37:58.9 testimony first hand
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David Grusch knows people who have had direct interactions with occupants of recovered craft in a detainment situation.
“And I know people who have had direct interactions in a detainment situation, which sounds very Star Trek and sounds very crazy, but it is true.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:37:59.6-00:38:12.3 testimony second hand
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Some form of consciousness communication, commonly called telepathy, took place with the detained occupants of recovered craft, though David Grusch cannot explain how it works.
“Phil McGraw: Were they able to communicate? David Grusch: Yes. Yes. And it is true that some sort of consciousness communication, you know, of course, people call it telepathy. I cannot begin to tell you how it works, but there is some sort of communication like that”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:38:23.5-00:38:43.2 testimony second hand
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Friends of David Grusch who took part in craft retrievals felt a form of consciousness communication as they approached the vehicle while waiting for transport.
“and even friends of mine that were on retrievals felt that kind of communication as they approach the vehicle when they were doing a you know coordinating it off waiting for transport.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:38:43.7-00:38:53.5 hearsay second hand
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David Grusch confirmed there is great interest in the propulsion systems of the retrieved craft as a motive for the reverse engineering effort.
“Phil McGraw: I assume there's great interest in their propulsion system and how they're doing what they're doing. David Grusch: Yes.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:41:14.4-00:41:21.4 testimony first hand
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Phil McGraw considers that successfully reverse engineering the propulsion of the recovered craft would render existing fuel and propulsion systems antiquated.
“It seems like if you could reverse engineer that and figure that out, that would revolutionize everything. I mean, the entire fuel systems and propulsion systems would become antiquated if you could reverse engineer what's making these things go.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:41:23.0-00:41:43.0 opinion first hand
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David Grusch was cleared into some of the results of the reverse engineering effort.
“i was i was cleared into some of the fruits of our labor so to speak”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:41:45.8-00:41:48.7 testimony first hand
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Much of the sequestered technology has civil applications that would help humanity, could be responsibly introduced into society and would fuel different economies.
“and a lot of it has civil application that would, you know, help humanity. ... But there's a lot of things that I see civil application and that could be responsibly introduced into society to help us and to also fuel different economies and whatnot.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:42:11.5-00:42:30.8 opinion first hand
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David Grusch knew where the recovered craft were stored only up to the date on which his source at that facility worked there.
“Yeah, the problem with that is I knew where they were historically up until the date and time that my source at that facility worked at it.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:15.1-00:44:23.5 testimony second hand
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Until a couple of years before 2026-08-11, David Grusch was aware of both United States government facilities and contractor facilities that held documentation, material holdings and cadavers.
“so up until a couple years ago i was aware of U.S Government facilities and contractor facilities that both had the documentation and the material holdings uh and the cadavers”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:44:48.1-00:44:59.7 testimony first hand
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David Grusch considers that some holding locations are likely untouched because certain items are of a size that makes them laborious to move.
“Yeah, sometimes certain things are hard to move. When they're a particular size, it's a little bit laborious to move. So I think there's some locations that likely are untouched because I'll be very vague on that, not to spook the herd.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:47:23.3-00:47:38.1 opinion first hand
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Some recovered craft have been moved to the private aerospace industry in order to keep them outside the reach of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
“Phil McGraw: Do you think some of these have been moved to the private aerospace industry? in order to keep them outside of FOIA? David Grusch: Certainly, yeah.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:14.0-00:48:24.7 testimony first hand
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Personnel on the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) attempted to get Lockheed Martin to transfer recovered material to them outside the programme for study.
“They were actually trying to get Lockheed Martin to transfer material to them outside the program for study, kind of outside the onion, so to speak.”
David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone 2026-08-13 00:48:43.3-00:48:52.0 testimony first hand