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Bob Lazar is a Nevada businessman who came to public attention in 1989 claiming to have worked as a physicist reverse-engineering the propulsion systems of recovered alien spacecraft at a secret facility near Area 51.

1989 KLAS-TV interview describing purported employment reverse-engineering alien craft propulsion at S4, near Area 51 · Nevada, USA · Self-described physicist and UFO claimant

Bob Lazar is a Nevada businessman who, in the late 1980s, went public with claims that he had worked as a physicist reverse-engineering the propulsion systems of recovered alien craft at Area 51.1 In 1989 he gave an interview, anonymous at first, to journalist George Knapp of KLAS-TV in the 1989 Bob Lazar KLAS interview, asserting that he had worked on a recovered extraterrestrial flying saucer at a site he called S4.2

Jim Goodall had met Lazar before he made the S4 allegation.3 At their first meeting in the early 1980s, Lazar was a UFO sceptic who mocked John Lear for his outspoken belief in UFOs.4 Goodall said Lazar once told him he was a nuclear physicist who would not admit UFOs are real even with a gun to his head.5 Goodall also said a source of his at Area 51 went treasure-hunting near where Lazar said S4 was located and was confronted by armed security personnel demanding identification, who appeared to arrive with no vehicle and no visible building or tunnel.6 After going public, Lazar said an official cover-up began, including men in black wiping his university degree records.7 Knapp rebutted official denials that Lazar had ever worked at Los Alamos in New Mexico, citing an old news story placing him there and the fact that Lazar had taken him into the secure facility and appeared familiar with the site and its staff.8 Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell located a witness whom Lazar said had vetted him for his Area 51 security clearance.9 Lazar has speculated that if anyone influenced his being hired at S4, it was Edward Teller, who told someone to give the young man from Los Alamos a chance.10 In 1990 Lazar was arrested for aiding and abetting a prostitution ring, a charge later reduced to felony pandering, for which he served community service.11

Lazar attended the McMinnville UFO Festival together with David Fravor.12 There, Fravor and his wife socialised with Lazar and his wife without discussing UFO topics.13 Fravor said Lazar’s public notoriety over his UFO-related claims had damaged his life,14 and described him as a straightforward, sane, normal and very intelligent person15 and as a propulsion specialist.16 According to Fravor, Lazar has a bicycle fitted with a rocket motor17 and built a rocket car.18 Two decades after Lazar’s 1989 disclosure, David Fruehauf, a former SR-71 Blackbird pilot, went public in a television interview partially backing Lazar’s claims, calling him, in Fruehauf’s words, very credible.19 Fruehauf said he was never at Area 51 at the same time as Lazar, but considered his account very accurate and said he sounded totally believable.20 Fruehauf also said he knew witnesses who had seen Lazar somewhere at Area 51.21

At S4, Barry trained Lazar.22 Lazar said Barry was excited to have a new partner and to show him new information, suggesting Barry had previously worked alone for some time.23 Lazar said he hinted to Barry that the technology should not be kept secret and that Barry seemed to silently agree,24 and that he had hoped Barry would follow him in speaking out publicly after his story broke, though this did not happen.25 Lazar was concerned that people would focus their anger on Barry and that there would be a price for him to pay after he went public.26 He has said that nobody tried to locate or track down Barry, despite the valuable technical information he would have had.27 Lazar also withheld the name of a security guard he knew as Chuck Payne for a long time, because Payne was a well-known, overt security presence at S4.28 Payne was one of the site’s security guards,29 and, unlike most of the tight-lipped guards there, was an extrovert who greeted Lazar and others personally,30 making him well known to everyone who worked at S4.31 Luigi Venditelli said he was surprised when Lazar first revealed the name in an interview around 2023.32 Chris Ramsay noted that a senator who shares the name Chuck Payne, found in online searches, is a different person from the security guard Lazar described.33

Lazar said his two directives at S4 were to duplicate the power and propulsion system using existing materials, and to disable the system from a distance using existing materials, both without budget limits.34 According to Ramsay, Lazar was permitted to review three briefings during his document readings there: Galileo, Sidekick, and Looking Glass.35 Lazar has said he considers gravity propulsion the most fundamental of the three programmes, since gravity manipulation underlies the other two capabilities and time dilation follows from gravity manipulation,36 though he says he does not know whether the technology has since been used to manipulate or peer into time.37 He and his colleagues were given an opaque yellow fluid that tasted like pine sap as part of testing.38 Lazar denies this was part of psychological conditioning meant to make him think his experience was a hallucination,39 saying instead he was told it was an immune-system booster given after allergen testing, because the facility’s substances were of unknown composition and interaction with the human body.40 He states his mind was completely clear every time he was at S4 and denies anyone tampered with his head or memory,41 though he says the programme deliberately inserted incorrect and misleading information specific to each person, so that any leak could be traced to its source.42 He draws a hard distinction between what he directly worked on, saw and touched and what he was only told or read, treating only the former as verified,43 and believes a lot of nonsense is mixed in with the reading material he was given.44

Dennis Mariani would stare at Lazar for 20 minutes in a menacing way during the bus ride to S4,45 and once invited him to watch a test flight outside at the site.46 Lazar and his colleagues had been told there would be a test at two o’clock and to be in the big hangar,47 but on the day the craft was already outside and Mariani came in and told the team to come, making it seem like a last-minute decision.48 Lazar has speculated that he and his colleagues may not have been supposed to know how the craft got out of the hangar.49 Many people have spent considerable effort trying to locate Mariani, who was older than Lazar, in the belief he would know a great deal about the programme.50,51 Lazar said Knapp called and asked to meet him at the Union Plaza Hotel in Las Vegas,52 relatively soon after he went public rather than months later.53 Lazar brought Gene Huff along as a witness when he went to meet Mariani.54 As he approached, Lazar said he recognised other faces coming from Mariani’s direction as people he had seen at S4,55 though Chuck Payne was not among them.56 Lazar believes those unfamiliar faces were S4 security personnel.57 When Lazar approached and said his name, Mariani would not look at him or respond.58 Lazar has said that, according to people he knows who investigated Mariani’s fate, Mariani appears to have died,59 and that he has seen a photograph of a gravestone he believes, along with other connecting details, belongs to Mariani.60 Venditelli considers the independent corroboration of Mariani’s existence as supporting the reality of Lazar’s account, since Lazar was the one who first mentioned him.61 During a desert filming trip near Las Vegas for Project Gravator, in which a film crew photographed Lazar with a DeLorean time machine prop,62 Lazar told Venditelli there was something he could share that he had not shared before.63

Lazar’s name is frequently linked to the Billy Meier UFO contact case. Ramsay said Lazar and Billy Meier are two of the most contentious names in the UFO field, ones that instantly cause people to start feuding.64 Ramsay said Lazar pointed out that the Meier “sports model” beam ship was a one-for-one identical match to craft he was familiar with, and was blown away by it,65 and that he and Lazar both agree the later Meier material is questionable.66 According to Ramsay, the beam ship shown to Lazar is an identical physical match to the craft in a 1975 photograph, though perhaps not in size,67 and one possible explanation he offered is that the Meier craft was authentic and the craft shown to Lazar was a replica, perhaps a Lockheed Martin deep underground black military project.68 Michael Horn said Lazar examined material from the Meier case.69 According to Ramsay, Bill Herman was told by the beings he encountered that they were from Zeta Reticulum before Lazar discussed Zeta Reticuli.70 Erik Nanstiel said that when Lazar read briefing papers at S4, the military reported that the Greys considered humans as containers, and that humans were given religion so they would not damage the containers.71 Nanstiel also said Lazar speculated, without firmly standing by it, that this reference to humans as containers might mean containers of souls or of blood, since the Greys consume blood.72 Lazar has said he respects David Grush for coming forward publicly.73 Ramsay keeps a picture on his wall of the heart-shaped field around the craft that Lazar described.74 Jesse Mitchells said Lazar is the only person to have said he worked on the craft itself, at S4 in 1989,75 and that Lazar describes the work as parallel engineering rather than reverse engineering - recreating the object by prosaic human means rather than determining exactly how it was made.76

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  1. Lazar is a Nevada businessman who went public in the late 1980s claiming to have reverse-engineered alien propulsion at Area 51
    “Lazar is a Nevada businessman who went public in the late 1980s with incredible, and much disputed, claims that he worked as a physicist at Area 51 on reverse-engineering propulsion systems of recovered ali”
    In Plain Sight ch13:19774-19967 View the source record →
  2. In 1989 Lazar gave an anonymous interview to George Knapp on KLAS-TV describing work on a recovered flying saucer at S4
    “Years later, in 1989, Lazar went public in an interview with investigative journalist George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS, asserting (anonymously, at first) his purported employment working on a recovered extra-terrestrial flying saucer at the supposed S-4 facility, adjacent to Papoose Lake south of Area 51”
    In Plain Sight ch13:20633-20945 View the source record →
  3. Jim Goodall met Lazar before he made the S4 allegation
    “Goodall met Lazar well before he ever made the allegation that he had worked at so-called Site 4 (S-4)”
    In Plain Sight ch13:19995-20095 View the source record →
  4. At their first meeting Lazar was a UFO sceptic who mocked John Lear
    “Goodall told me that, at their first meeting in the early 1980s, Bob Lazar was actually a UFO sceptic and both of them mocked a mutual pilot friend John Lear for his outspoken belief in UFOs”
    In Plain Sight ch13:20222-20408 View the source record →
  5. Lazar once told Goodall he was a nuclear physicist who would not admit UFOs are real
    “‘Bob Lazar said, “I’m a nuclear physicist and . . . I wouldn’t admit that UFOs are real even if you put a gun to my head,”’ Goodall recalled ironically”
    In Plain Sight ch13:20415-20555 View the source record →
  6. Goodall's Area 51 source was confronted by armed security while treasure-hunting near the alleged S4 site
    “another Area 51 source of his went treasure-hunting near where Lazar said the mythical S-4 site was located, a 30-minute south-westerly drive from the main Area 51 base... 'there were a handful of black clad security guys with weapons wanting to know, "What are you doing here? Let's see some ID,"' Goodall said. He said what struck his source the most was that the security men did not arrive by vehicle, yet there was no evidence of any building or tunnel they came from.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:21211-21839 View the source record →
  7. Lazar claimed a cover-up began after he went public, including men in black wiping his degree records
    “Lazar has claimed that when he went public, the official cover-up began, and this included the men in black wiping his university degree records.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:23394-23531 View the source record →
  8. Knapp rebutted denials that Lazar worked at Los Alamos, citing a news story and his own tour of the facility
    “Journalist George Knapp has convincingly rebutted official denials that Lazar ever worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico; not only is there an old news story placing him there, Lazar sneaked Knapp into the secure facility and Lazar was clearly very familiar with the site and knew workers inside.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:23810-24116 View the source record →
  9. Jeremy Corbell located a witness Lazar said had vetted his Area 51 clearance
    “Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell also found a witness whom Lazar said vetted him for his Area 51 security clearance.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:24124-24222 View the source record →
  10. Lazar speculates Edward Teller may have influenced his hiring at S4
    “if anything it was it was teller... he said hey there's this kid in los alamos and uh to give him a shot or whatever”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 448-460
  11. In 1990 Lazar was arrested for aiding and abetting prostitution, reduced to felony pandering
    “it did not help Lazar's credibility that, in 1990, he was arrested for aiding and abetting a prostitution ring, a charge eventually reduced to felony pandering, for which he served community service”
    In Plain Sight ch13:24239-24430 View the source record →
  12. Fravor attended the McMinnville UFO Festival with Lazar
    “so I went with Bob Lazar.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 02:55:18.7-02:55:19.9
  13. Fravor and his wife socialised with Lazar and his wife without discussing UFOs
    “I got to hang out with Bob and his wife and his wife and my wife and we all hung out kind of talking, not about UFO stuff, but just getting to know each other as people”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 02:55:21.1-02:55:29.2
  14. Fravor said Lazar's notoriety damaged his life
    “The stuff that he talks about is not the center of his life. If anything, it ruined his life.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 02:55:32.7-02:55:35.8
  15. Fravor described Lazar as straightforward, sane, normal and very intelligent
    “I'll tell you, Bob is a straightforward, very sane, normal, super smart guy.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 03:02:42.5-03:02:47.1
  16. Fravor considers Lazar a propulsion specialist
    “So Bob is a propulsion guy.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 03:07:20.2-03:07:22.5
  17. Lazar has a bicycle fitted with a rocket motor
    “Bob has a bicycle with a rocket motor.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 03:07:24.4-03:07:25.8
  18. Lazar built a rocket car
    “He built a rocket car.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 03:07:26.2-03:07:26.9
  19. David Fruehauf went public partially backing Lazar and called him very credible
    “Two decades later, a former SR-71 pilot, David Fruehauf (whom I surmise was Jim Goodall's confidential 'Dave' source), went public in a television interview, partially backing Lazar's claims. 'I think he's very credible,' Fruehauf asserted.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:22093-22326 View the source record →
  20. Fruehauf said Lazar's account was very accurate and sounded totally believable
    “Lazar was never at Area 51 at the same time as Fruehauf, but Fruehauf said Lazar's account was very accurate. 'He sounded totally believable to me,' Fruehauf said.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:22991-23149 View the source record →
  21. Fruehauf said he knew witnesses who saw Lazar at Area 51
    “He also claimed he knew witnesses who saw Lazar somewhere at Area 51.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:23155-23221 View the source record →
  22. Barry trained Lazar at S4
    “because he was training me”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:22:45.1-00:22:46.2
  23. Barry was excited to have a new partner, suggesting he'd worked alone before
    “He really was. He was so what he was so excited to have somebody to work. So it must've been a while. between he had a partner before that because he was so excited to show me.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:30:24.5-00:30:35.4
  24. Lazar hinted to Barry the technology shouldn't be kept secret; Barry silently agreed
    “I kind of hinted around to Barry about, you know, wow, this is, all of this shouldn't be kept secret. You know, Barry never really wanted to talk about it, but it seemed like He was, he agreed with me, you know, without saying so.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:23:10.0-00:23:28.0
  25. Lazar hoped Barry would follow him in speaking out; he did not
    “I kind of hope that Barry might even follow me, you know, out and, uh, you know, after it was all out, maybe we just suddenly hear another voice from S4. But, uh, no, that was all a pipe dream.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:23:30.6-00:23:42.9
  26. Lazar worried people would focus anger on Barry after he went public
    “What I was really concerned is that Barry would be I mean, they'd focus some of their anger on Barry, you know, that, that he'd have, there'd be a price to pay”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:22:31.7-00:22:43.0
  27. Nobody tried to locate Barry despite his valuable technical knowledge
    “nobody tried to care or track down Barry and, um, he'd be great for technical information. I'd love to know everything Barry knew.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:22:07.3-00:22:17.0
  28. Lazar withheld Chuck Payne's name for years because Payne was overt security at S4
    “I always intentionally withheld several things about S4 because Chuck Payne was a really well-known guy because he really stood out as this, I don't know, overt security person.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:04:05.4-00:04:19.2
  29. Chuck Payne was one of the security guards at S4
    “He was one of the security guards there.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:04:23.0-00:04:25.5
  30. Payne was an extrovert who greeted people personally, unlike other guards
    “of all the security guards around there were very tight-lipped and quiet and really had minimal interaction with them, Chuck was different and he stood out... he was the only one that was just a bit of an extrovert.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:04:46.6-00:05:09.7
  31. Payne was well known to everyone who worked at S4
    “If somebody said, you know, name a guard's name, they'd say Chuck Payne.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:05:32.0-00:05:35.4
  32. Venditelli was surprised when Lazar first revealed Payne's name, around 2023
    “i was surprised when he let that out with me in an interview this was ha this happened like over three years ago”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:08:08.7-00:08:15.5
  33. The senator named Chuck Payne is a different person from the S4 guard
    “the Chuck Payne that you are going to find should you Google this name is not the Chuck Payne as mentioned in the interview with Bob that worked at S4. it is a senator”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:09:06.6-00:09:16.0
  34. Lazar's two directives at S4: duplicate and disable the propulsion system, no budget limit
    “directive one was be able to duplicate this with existing materials and directive to be able to disable this system from a distance with existing materials. No budget limits in either one.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:31:20.7-00:31:35.4
  35. Lazar was permitted to review three briefings: Galileo, Sidekick, and Looking Glass
    “out of the three briefings that you were allowed to peruse during your document readings, you had Galileo... You had Sidekick... And then you had looking glass”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:31:59.2-00:32:12.8
  36. Lazar considers gravity propulsion the most fundamental of the three programmes
    “Now I'd stick where I was because with gravity, you get time... there's the machine that makes the gravity. So you're part of that. And then you're nowhere unless you can power it.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:32:54.6-00:33:05.8
  37. Lazar doesn't know if gravity tech has since been used to manipulate time
    “I don't know. I mean, you don't see it anywhere. If so, they're keeping it well covered.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:33:38.7-00:33:44.8
  38. Lazar and colleagues were given an opaque yellow fluid tasting of pine sap
    “they had you drink this weird, opaque yellow fluid that tastes like pine saw”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:27:26.2-00:27:30.6
  39. Lazar denies the fluid was psychological conditioning
    “No, no, weird hallucination. And that wasn't, no, that, I mean, the thing tasted more like vitamin B than anything.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:27:42.2-00:27:47.9
  40. Lazar was told the fluid was an immune-system booster after allergen testing
    “It was just an immune system booster because they had just done a whole... The grid for allergens... they said, there are just materials here. We have no clue as to what they are or what interactions they have with the human body.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:27:48.5-00:28:02.3
  41. Lazar says his mind was clear at S4 and denies memory tampering
    “No, they didn't mess with my head. It was a hundred percent clear every single time I was there. There is no doubt.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:28:34.8-00:28:41.4
  42. Lazar says the programme inserted person-specific misinformation to trace leaks
    “the way they screw with you by you know inserting incorrect and misleading information into what they're telling you... it's specific to each person so if they start hearing that from somewhere else they know exactly who said it”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:29:11.7-00:29:26.4
  43. Lazar distinguishes what he directly worked on from what he was only told or read
    “i draw such a hard line between what i work on what i saw what i touched and uh you know what i was told or read so you you never know about any of the reading material you never know about any of the hearsay or anything you're being taught if that's it's real unless it's backed up by by hands-on stuff”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:29:34.2-00:29:53.3
  44. Lazar believes much of the reading material given to him was nonsense
    “i'm sure there's a lot of nonsense... no that was in there”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:29:54.1-00:29:57.4
  45. Dennis Mariani stared at Lazar menacingly for 20 minutes on the bus to S4
    “the same guy who'd stare at you for 20 minutes in that ride to S4 menacingly”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:19:58.3-00:20:02.9
  46. Mariani invited Lazar to watch a test flight outside at S4
    “But he's also the guy that was like, hey, come see this launch outside. Come see this test flight, right?”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:20:30.0-00:20:36.4
  47. Lazar and colleagues were told to be in the big hangar for a 2pm test
    “Said, you know, there's going to be a test at two o'clock. You guys get your stuff done. Be out there in the big hangar.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:20:58.8-00:21:04.2
  48. The craft was already outside and Mariani made it seem last-minute
    “instead the craft was already outside and dennis came in come on you guys so it's like it was a last minute thought now that's what makes less sense”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:21:06.9-00:21:15.4
  49. Lazar speculates he wasn't meant to know how the craft left the hangar
    “maybe we're not supposed to know how it got out of the hangar”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:21:29.8-00:21:32.2
  50. Dennis Mariani was older than Lazar
    “He was older than me.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:07:02.4-00:07:02.8
  51. Many people have tried to locate Mariani, believing he'd know a lot about the S4 programme
    “A lot of people latched on to him, you know, spend a lot of time looking for him. I guess they finally found him, but I mean, for years, people, for some reason, that name really clicked and people went after him because that's, that's really the guy that would know a lot.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:21:47.7-00:22:02.4
  52. Knapp called Lazar and arranged to meet at the Union Plaza Hotel in Las Vegas
    “he called to meet at the union plaza hotel... to meet at the Union Plaza hotel.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:12:56.5-00:12:58.0
  53. Knapp's call came relatively soon after Lazar went public, not months later
    “no it wasn't months i don't think it was months... yeah it was it was definitely relatively soon after”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:13:09.3-00:13:15.8
  54. Lazar brought Gene Huff as a witness to the meeting with Mariani
    “i said this time i want witnesses had friends come with me... there he is Gene Huff i said that's Dennis Mariani right there”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:14:29.6-00:14:39.2
  55. Lazar recognised other faces near Mariani as people he'd seen at S4
    “as I walked in, I saw other faces that I've seen at S4 walk by me coming from his direction.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:14:54.2-00:15:00.9
  56. Chuck Payne was not among the unfamiliar faces at the meeting
    “It wasn't Chuck. No.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:15:44.9-00:15:46.1
  57. Lazar believes the unfamiliar faces were S4 security personnel
    “No, I think they were security.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:15:42.6-00:15:43.3
  58. Mariani would not look at Lazar or respond when approached
    “when I went up to Dennis Marani, he wouldn't even look at me. I stood right behind him. I stood right next to him and he just like, I wasn't even there. I went Dennis and no response.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:15:11.4-00:15:23.6
  59. People who investigated believe Mariani has died
    “from those that did, it looked like Dennis Mariani died.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:06:43.7-00:06:46.1
  60. Lazar has seen a photograph of a gravestone he believes is Mariani's
    “I had pictures of a gravestone and, you know, people seem to, this guy, it connects all the dots. This looks like it was the guy.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:06:48.8-00:06:55.4
  61. Venditelli sees corroboration of Mariani's existence as supporting Lazar's account
    “It helps the argument that that could have been reality. And Bob was the guy who mentioned Dennis Mariani.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:12:17.4-00:12:24.0
  62. A film crew for Project Gravator photographed Lazar with a DeLorean prop near Las Vegas
    “That was the time that we went out to Las Vegas, the whole crew of Motivo, Art My Crew and Project Gravator crew basically, we went out and filmed with a DeLorean time machine in the desert... we had rented an airbnb in las vegas which is a giant mansion”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:09:45.2-00:10:01.0
  63. During the desert shoot Lazar told Venditelli he had something new to share
    “He immediately looked at me and said, You guys are really doing an incredible job. And I think there's something I can say.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:10:48.4-00:10:55.6
  64. Ramsay: Lazar and Billy Meier are among the most contentious names in the UFO field
    “there are a few names that you can drop and instantly, you know, people will start feuding. And two of those names are Bob Lazar and Billy Meier.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:03:15.9-00:03:27.8
  65. Ramsay: Lazar said the Meier beam ship matched craft he was familiar with
    “Bob Lazar pointed out, obviously, the sports model or the beam ship, as it's aptly named, that that was a one for one match. That was pretty identical. And Bob was kind of blown away.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:03:39.0-00:03:53.9
  66. Ramsay: he and Lazar agree the later Meier material is questionable
    “Bob and myself both agree, like the later stuff is a little questionable.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:03:53.9-00:03:59.6
  67. Ramsay: the beam ship shown to Lazar matches the 1975 photo, perhaps not in size
    “knowing that this craft is pretty much identical, if not just in look, but maybe not in size so much, but it is an identical match physically to the other one.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:18:13.0-00:18:29.0
  68. Ramsay's alternative explanation: the craft shown to Lazar was a Lockheed Martin replica
    “the craft that Bob was shown was like a replica of that, right? Perhaps some Lockheed Martin, deep underground black military project.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:18:57.0-00:19:05.7
  69. Michael Horn said Lazar examined material from the Meier case
    “this other material that Bob Lazar has looked at and all”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:49:25.9-00:49:34.1
  70. Ramsay: Bill Herman was told the beings were from Zeta Reticulum before Lazar's account
    “before bob there was a bill herman as well who was told by the beings that they were from zeta reticulum as well”
    "Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 01:04:00.0-01:04:11.4
  71. Nanstiel: military briefing papers described the Greys viewing humans as containers
    “the the the military reported that the greys considered humans as containers and we were given religion so that we wouldn't damage the containers”
    "Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 01:31:38.2-01:31:50.0
  72. Nanstiel: Lazar speculated the container reference might mean souls or blood
    “he speculated but he doesn't really stand beside this firmly like but he was speculated well maybe they meant containers of souls you know or containers of blood since they consume blood”
    "Skinny Bob is Real" – Lifelong Abductee Reveals Everything - Erik Nanstiel | DEBRIEFED ep. 85 01:31:50.0-01:32:10.4
  73. Lazar respects David Grush for coming forward publicly
    “Hats off to that guy. You know, I, I, I respect him for doing that for sure.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:24:41.8-00:24:46.4
  74. Ramsay keeps a picture of the heart-shaped field Lazar described
    “this reminds me of that picture you have on your wall of um the Bob Lazar like the heart-shaped yeah field around the ship”
    Non Human Intelligence, GATE Program and Psi Ability with Dr. Julia Mossbridge | ep. 99 01:37:43.3-01:37:51.1
  75. Mitchells: Lazar is the only person to claim he worked on the craft itself, in 1989
    “you only have one Bob Lazar, a guy who actually, you know, at S4 in 1989 said he worked on the craft itself”
    The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 00:56:25.6-00:56:32.1
  76. Mitchells: Lazar describes the work as parallel rather than reverse engineering
    “even if you talk to Bob Lazar and you go deep enough with him it's not really reverse engineering it's like parallel engineering it's not figuring out exactly how the thing was made it's figuring out how to recreate the thing with prosaic human means”
    The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 01:09:21.3-01:09:35.0

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