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Chad Underwood

US Navy Lieutenant and weapons and sensors officer who filmed the 2004 Tic Tac UAP using an ATFLIR targeting pod during the Nimitz UAP Incident.

Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41), US Navy · 2004-11-14 · Lieutenant · Weapons and Sensors Officer (WSO)

Chad Underwood was a US Navy Lieutenant serving as a weapons and sensors officer (WSO) aboard an F/A-18F with Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41) at the time of the 2004 Nimitz UAP Incident.1 On 2004-11-14, following the return of David Fravor’s FASTEAGLE flight, Underwood and his pilot were briefed in the paraloft by Fravor’s crew, who described the Anomalous Aerial Vehicle (AAV) and asked them to attempt to see and record what they could.2 Underwood’s flight subsequently departed the USS Nimitz, climbing to approximately 6,100 metres and flying at roughly 560 kilometres per hour groundspeed.3

Underwood’s initial awareness of the AAV came through the APG-73 Radar, which detected initial tracks at approximately 55 to 75 kilometres to the south of the aircraft.4 He made multiple attempts to transition the radar to Single Target Track (STT) mode but was unable to obtain a lock; the radar’s b-sweep would raster around the return, generate an initial aspect vector that failed to stabilise, and then drop the track.5 Underwood reported there were no conventional electronic attack (EA) jamming cues — no strobe, champagne bubbles, or normal EA indications — and characterised the radar’s behaviour as simply being unable to gather sufficient information to form a track file.6 This account differs from that offered by David Fravor, who stated in a 2020 podcast that the ATFLIR Pod radar produced warning strobes across all modes simultaneously during Underwood’s lock attempts.14 Using the ATFLIR pod’s forward-looking infrared (FLIR) sensor, Underwood estimated the AAV to be between approximately 4,600 and 6,100 metres altitude.7 The FLIR displayed the object at zero antenna train angle and approximately minus five degrees elevation, appearing stationary with only closure attributable to the aircraft’s own movement.8

Underwood switched from radar to the ATFLIR Pod by using the castle switch, at which point the pod — already slaved to the radar’s line of sight — began passively tracking the AAV via infrared pixel contrast.14 He then cycled through all available FLIR pod modes — wide, medium, narrow infrared, and narrow TV — in order to gather as much data on the object as possible, a process that accounts for the shifts in background polarity visible in the released footage.15 No infrared plume or sign of propulsive gases was detected in any mode.19 The recording was captured on an 8mm High-8 tape as a direct digital feed from the display.18 Eventually the AAV moved out of the FLIR’s field of view; Underwood made no attempt to slew the pod and subsequently lost situational awareness of the object, after which the flight continued with its training mission.9 Underwood was clear that he could not confirm the FLIR object was the same as that described by Fravor’s flight, as he had no visual contact and only observed it through the sensor.10 Fravor, however, stated that when he viewed the footage it was consistent with what his own flight had observed, saying “that’s exactly it”.13

After landing, Underwood’s flight met David Fravor’s crew and together proceeded to the Carrier Intelligence Center (CVIC).2 The CVIC section attempted to collect Underwood’s tapes, which he initially refused; copies were ultimately made, with a set being turned over to the intelligence section.11 Fravor separately recalled that CVIC intelligence officers requested and took custody of the FLIR tapes, which were classified at the SECRET level owing to the data they contained.16,17 Underwood stated he was not asked to sign any non-disclosure agreement (NDA) and was uncertain how far up the chain of command the reporting went beyond his commanding officer.12

In December 2019, Underwood spoke to New York Magazine about filming the Tic Tac Sighting, stating that the object was “not behaving by normal laws of physics”20 and directly quoting: “The Tic Tac was not doing that. It was going from like 50,000 feet to, you know, a hundred feet in like seconds, which is not possible."21 Regarding the aftermath, Underwood stated that he answered a few questions in a telephone call with someone from NORAD shortly after landing, but that no pilots were formally debriefed at the time about what had occurred.22 According to Luis Luis Elizondo, beyond those few questions put to Underwood by a NORAD investigator, no other internal agency was reported to have investigated the encounter.23 The Navy F/A-18F Nimitz Encounter Video recorded by Underwood subsequently became one of the most discussed pieces of UAP sensor footage in the public domain following its release.

  1. Underwood was WSO in the second F/A-18F section and a member of VFA-41
    “Lt Underwood was a member of VFA-41 and was the Weapons and Sensors Officer (WSO) flying with LT {{redacted: ~2 words}}. They were a part of the second F/A-18F section airborne that day from VFA-41. Their flight launched following the FASTEAGLE flight.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  2. Fravor's FASTEAGLE flight briefed Underwood's crew in the paraloft and asked them to record what they could
    “FASTEAGLE flight told LT Underwood's flight what they saw and to try to see and record what they could.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  3. Underwood's flight departed USS Nimitz and flew at approximately 6,100 metres at roughly 560 km/h
    “They flew at 20,000 feet and were flying a max endurance profile at approximately 300 knots ground speed... The time was approximately 1500L.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  4. Underwood's initial awareness of the AAV came via radar at 55–75 km to the south
    “Initial awareness of an object came via the radar. According to the radar display, the initial tracks were at approximately 30-40 nm to the south of the aircraft.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  5. Underwood attempted multiple times to transition the radar to Single Target Track mode but it would not lock
    “LT Underwood was controlling the radar and FLIR and attempted multiple times to transition the radar to Single Target Track (STT) mode on the object. The radar could not take a lock, the b-sweep would raster around the hit, build an initial aspect vector (which never stabilized) and then would drop and continue normal RWS b-sweep.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  6. Underwood stated there were no conventional jamming cues; the radar simply could not form a track file
    “When asked, LT Underwood stated that there were no jamming cues (strobe, champagne bubbles, "any normal EA indications"). It "just appeared as if the radar couldn't hack it." The radar couldn't receive enough information to create a single target track file.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  7. Underwood estimated the AAV to be between approximately 4,600 and 6,100 metres altitude based on FLIR view
    “estimating the object to be between 15-20 thousand feet”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9
  8. The FLIR showed the AAV at zero antenna train angle and approximately minus 5 degrees elevation, appearing stationary
    “The FLIR showed an object at 0 ATA and approximately -5deg elevation (Figure 2). According to LT Underwood, "the target was best guess co-altitude or a few thousand feet below," estimating the object to be between 15-20 thousand feet. The object, according to the FLIR, appeared stationary (Figure 3). There was no discernable movement from the object with the only closure being a result of the aircraft's movement.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 9–10
  9. The AAV moved out of Underwood's FLIR field of view; he made no attempt to slew the pod and lost situational awareness
    “As LT Underwood watched the object it began to move out of FLIR field of view to the left. LT Underwood made no attempt to slew the FLIR and subsequently lost situational awareness to the object. The Flight continued with training mission with no further contact with object.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 10
  10. Underwood could not confirm the FLIR object was the same as described by the FASTEAGLE flight; he had no visual contact
    “LT Underwood was clear in that he couldn't confirm that it was the same object as described by FASTEAGLE flight. He never had visual, only seeing the object via the FLIR.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 11
  11. After landing, the CVIC section attempted to collect Underwood's tapes; he refused but copies were made and turned in
    “LT Underwood said that the CIVC section attempted to collect his tapes but he refused. They proceeded to their ready room where they debriefed with CDR Fravor and his flight. Copies of the tapes were made with a set being turned into the intelligence section.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 11
  12. Underwood was not asked to sign an NDA and was uncertain how far reporting went up the chain of command
    “LT Underwood was not asked to sign any non-disclosure agreement and he is uncertain how far up the chain the reporting went past his commanding officer. When asked LT Underwood couldn't confirm any physiological or psychological feelings that were out of the ordinary. He only expressed a feeling of confusion during the event.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report (2004-11) page 11
  13. Fravor confirmed that the object Underwood filmed was the same one his flight had visually observed
    “We're like, that's it. That's exactly, that's it.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 (2020) 01:15:25
  14. When Underwood switched from radar to the ATFLIR pod via the castle switch, the pod began passively tracking the AAV via IR pixel contrast
    “when he castles over, it's a switch, it looks like a castle switch... he sees it on the targeting pod because the targeting pod is already looking there. And now he's on a passive track, because he's not literally sending any energy out. He's just receiving IR energy from the tic-tac”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 (2020) 01:33:30
  15. Underwood cycled through all FLIR pod modes to gather as much data as possible
    “he goes through all those things, and that's when you see it going from a black background to a white background”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 (2020) 01:34:32
  16. The FLIR tapes were classified at SECRET level because of the data they contained
    “the tapes are actually classified secret because of the data that's on them”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 (2020) 01:40:49
  17. CVIC intelligence officers requested and took custody of Underwood's FLIR tapes after the encounter
    “the intel officers came down from what's called civic cvic which is carrier intel center came down and said, hey, we need the tapes.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 (2020) 01:40:58
  18. Underwood's FLIR video was recorded on an 8mm High-8 tape as a direct digital feed from the display
    “it's high eight tapes that's basically pulled off the back of the display so it's not filmed with cameras it's literally a digital feed that's pulled off the back and put onto a high eight tape”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 (2020) 01:43:32
  19. The ATFLIR pod's infrared mode showed the Tic Tac as a white object with no sign of jet exhaust or propulsive gases
    “The weapons systems officer sitting behind Underwood was eventually able to lock on to the object using the pod's infra-red mode, meaning it showed up on his screen as a white object in a black background. What was most revealing about the infra-red mode, however, was what could not be seen. There was no sign of any jet exhaust or of any gases at all blasting from the UAP”
    Ross Coulthart UAP Book - Prologue, Chapter 1 & Chapter 2 (2021) Chapter 11, paragraph 17
  20. Underwood stated the object was going from 50,000 feet to 100 feet in seconds, which he said was not possible
    “'The Tic Tac was not doing that. It was going from like 50,000 feet to, you know, a hundred feet in like seconds, which is not possible.'”
    Ross Coulthart UAP Book - Prologue, Chapter 1 & Chapter 2 (2021) Chapter 11, paragraph 17
  21. Underwood answered a few questions in a phone call with someone from NORAD; no pilots were formally debriefed at the time
    “The pilot who videoed the encounter, Chad Underwood, says that soon after landing, he answered a few questions in a phone call with someone from NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defence Command, but no pilots were formally debriefed at the time about what occurred.”
    Ross Coulthart UAP Book - Prologue, Chapter 1 & Chapter 2 (2021) Chapter 11, paragraph 19
  22. Underwood held the rank of Lieutenant at the time of the Tic Tac encounter
    “Navy fighter pilot Lieutenant Chad Underwood”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs — Chapter 2 (2024) Chapter 7, paragraph 22
  23. Beyond a few questions a NORAD investigator put to Underwood, no other internal agency was reported to have investigated the encounter
    “Beyond a few questions a NORAD investigator put to Underwood, I was told no other internal agency investigated the encounter.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs — Chapter 2 (2024) Chapter 7, paragraph 39

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