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David Fravor

David Fravor is a retired United States Navy Commander who, as Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41, piloted the F/A-18F that intercepted a Tic Tac-shaped object during the 2004 USS Nimitz encounter, and who later testified about the incident before the US Congress.

United States Navy; former Commanding Officer, Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41), the Black Aces · United States Naval Academy; United States Navy Fighter Weapons School (Top Gun), Class 4, 1997; Master's degree, University of Houston · 2004 USS Nimitz UAP encounter · Retired Commander, United States Navy

David Fravor is a retired Commander in the United States Navy (USN)1, having flown for the Navy for 18 years2. He first enlisted in the United States Marine Corps3, which recommended him for the United States Naval Academy4, from which he graduated5. He later graduated from the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School (Top Gun)6 as part of Class 4 of 19977, and holds a Master’s degree from the University of Houston8. In November 2004 he was Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41), nicknamed the Black Aces9, then attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed aboard USS Nimitz (CVN-68)10.

Fravor has said his interest in flying began in 1969, when he watched Neil Armstrong walk on the Moon during the Apollo 11 Moon landing11, an event he watched shortly before turning five12; his mother told him the Apollo 11 astronauts had all been pilots, after which he decided he would become one13. He grew up in an Italian family near his cousins Chad and Ray14, and worked as a paper boy in the neighbourhood15; years later, at a cousin’s wedding, a family friend recognised him and asked about flying jets and attending Top Gun16.

According to the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report, Fravor was the pilot of FastEagle 01, one of two F/A-18Fs of VFA-41 in contact with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle (AAV) during the 2004 USS Nimitz Unidentified Aerial Phenomena / Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) encounter17. On 2004-11-14, during the 2004 USS Nimitz UAP encounter, his squadron was conducting a work-up integrating ships and the carrier air wing off the coast of USA, California, San Diego18. His flight of two F/A-18F aircraft, designated Blue Air, was controlled by USS Princeton (CG-59)19, and Fravor was flying an F/A-18F Super Hornet20. His wingman was Alex Dietrich, each with a weapons systems officer aboard21; Fravor’s own back-seater was Jim Slaight, call sign ‘Clean’22. The flight’s combat air patrol point lay roughly 64 kilometres south of the ship23, and, according to Fravor, the USS Princeton’s air controller had been observing the contact for the previous two weeks24.

As the flight arrived at around 6,000 metres, the controller called ‘Merge Plot’, indicating their radar blip shared a resolution cell with the contact25, and the crews noticed white water on the ocean surface26 under clear, calm conditions27. Fravor initially worried a commercial airliner might have crashed into the sea, since the disturbance was roughly the size of a Boeing 73728. Descending further, he discerned a featureless white object shaped like a giant ‘Tic Tac’, with what looked like two appendages below its belly, hovering just above the water29; it had no windows, no visible engines, no wings, no exhaust or smoke, and no discernible markings30. In a separate account, Fravor described the object as about the size of his F/A-18, with no markings, no wings, and no exhaust plumes31, and said it appeared to be ‘holding like a Harrier’32. He detached Dietrich’s aircraft to hold at altitude while he descended further33; as he manoeuvred to pull nose onto the object at a range of about 0.8 kilometres, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared right in front of his aircraft34, and his wingman, around 2,400 metres above, lost visual contact with it at the same moment35. His own F/A-18 Hornet’s radar never picked up the object36, though his wingman’s radar briefly locked on before losing the lock37. Turning back towards the combat air patrol point roughly 97 kilometres away, the flight was told, according to Fravor, that the object had reappeared there on the USS Princeton’s radar38, having covered the distance in under a minute39. Fravor has said its performance was far superior to his own aircraft and did not conform to any known aerodynamic principles40.

After returning to the carrier, Fravor mentioned what his flight had witnessed to a crew preparing to launch41, which included Chad Underwood, whose jet carried an Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared Radar (ATFLIR) pod42. Underwood’s crew found the Tic Tac waiting at the same cap point43, and Fravor has said that when Underwood’s jet tried to lock onto it with radar there were clear indications of deliberate jamming, which he said could be perceived as a hostile act, technically an act of war44. That crew captured what became the approximately 90-second FLIR1 video, released by the US government in 201745. The encounter was never officially investigated, and none of Fravor’s crew were questioned or had their tapes taken46; not until 2009 was Fravor contacted about the incident, when Jay Stratton reached out to investigate what he had observed47.

In July 2023, Fravor testified under oath before the US Congress alongside Ryan Graves and David Charles Grusch at a hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP)48. Fravor has said the Tic Tac’s flight performance was beyond current human material science49 and that it moved in a way that defied the laws of physics as understood50, while maintaining that he does not consider himself a UFO enthusiast51. Luis Elizondo has said the object responded intelligently to Fravor’s actions52, and podcast host Lex Fridman has described Fravor’s account, corroborated by several other pilots, as the most credible sighting of a UFO in history that he is aware of53.

  1. Fravor is a retired Commander in the United States Navy.
    “My name is David Fravor and I am a retired Commander in the U.S Navy.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:265-329 View the source record →
  2. Fravor flew for the United States Navy for 18 years.
    “Navy, flew for 18 years.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:122680-122698 View the source record →
  3. Fravor first enlisted in the United States Marine Corps.
    “first I was in, I was enlisted. I was a Marine.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:12:17.7-00:12:19.3
  4. The Marine Corps recommended Fravor for the United States Naval Academy.
    “the Marines actually sent me, recommended me to go to the Naval Academy.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:12:22.6-00:12:26.1
  5. Fravor attended and graduated from the United States Naval Academy.
    “I got to go to the Naval Academy and I finished”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:12:29.4-00:12:30.9
  6. Fravor is a graduate of the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School (Top Gun).
    “You're a graduate of the Navy Fighter Weapons School.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:07:13.7-00:07:16.9
  7. Fravor went through Top Gun in Class 4 of 1997.
    “I went through in 97, Class 4, 97.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:07:44.7-00:07:48.3
  8. Fravor earned a Master's degree from the University of Houston.
    “Got a Master's from University of Houston”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:122705-122739 View the source record →
  9. In November 2004, Fravor was Commanding Officer of VFA-41, the Black Aces.
    “In Nov 2004, I was the Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron Forty-One, the World Famous Black Aces!”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:335-438 View the source record →
  10. VFA-41 was attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven aboard USS Nimitz in 2004.
    “We were attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed onboard the USS Nimitz (CVN-68).”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:444-529 View the source record →
  11. Fravor has dreamed of flying since 1969, watching Armstrong walk on the Moon.
    “Yeah, since 1969 when I watched Neil Armstrong walk on the moon.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:12:35.9-00:12:40.0
  12. Fravor was nearly five years old when he watched the Apollo 11 Moon landing.
    “I was just prior to being five.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:12:44.9-00:12:46.0
  13. His mother told him the Apollo 11 astronauts were all pilots.
    “she said, well, you know, they were all pilots. And at that point, it was like, I'm going to be a pilot.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:12:51.1-00:12:56.0
  14. Fravor grew up near his cousins Chad and Ray in an Italian family.
    “we all grew up in the same neighborhood uh we kind of they had Italian side of the family that's how we grew up so it was my house right down the street was my cousin Chad and then right around the corner is my cousin Ray”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:13:18.9-00:13:29.0
  15. Fravor worked as a paper boy in his childhood neighbourhood.
    “I was a paper boy in the neighborhood, so they all knew me.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:13:32.3-00:13:33.8
  16. At a cousin's wedding, a family friend recognised Fravor and asked about Top Gun.
    “Mr. Race looks at me and he says, David Fravor. I go, Mr. Race, how you doing? He goes, you fly jets, top gun and all that. I go, yes, sir.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:13:37.6-00:13:45.7
  17. Fravor was the pilot of FastEagle 01, one of two VFA-41 F/A-18Fs in contact with the AAV.
    “FASTEAGLE 01 Pilot: CDR David 'Sex' Fravor, USN/WSO: LT {{redacted: ~3 words}}, USN”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report char:16388-16470 View the source record →
  18. On 2004-11-14, Fravor's squadron was conducting a work-up off San Diego.
    “we were doing an air to air defense to hone not only our skills but those of the USS Princeton when they had been tracking them for 2 weeks.”
    Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency char:123271-123405 View the source record →
  19. Fravor's flight of two F/A-18F aircraft, designated Blue Air, was controlled by USS Princeton.
    “My flight of 2 F/A-18Fs was the Blue Air, the good guys, and we were being controlled by the USS Princeton, CG-59.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1035-1146 View the source record →
  20. Fravor was flying an FA-18F Super Hornet.
    “Strikefighter Squadron 41 ('The Black Aces') commanding officer David Fravor was in one FA-18F Super Hornet and his wingman, a serving female pilot who wishes to stay anonymous, was in another.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:7704-7889 View the source record →
  21. Fravor and Alex Dietrich, each with a weapons systems officer, were diverted to investigate the contact.
    “On November 14, Fravor and Dietrich, each with a weapons system officer in the backseat, were diverted to investigate.”
    Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs 00:07:39.4-00:07:46.0
  22. Jim Slaight, call sign 'Clean', was the weapons systems officer in Fravor's back seat.
    “In his back seat was Commander Jim Slaight, call sign “Clean.””
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch15:4475-4530 View the source record →
  23. The combat air patrol point lay roughly 64 kilometres south of the ship.
    “The CAP point is where we would hold prior to commencing our training runs, roughly 40 miles South of the ship.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1627-1733 View the source record →
  24. The air controller had reportedly been observing the contact for the previous two weeks.
    “The air controller on the ship also had no idea but had been observing these objects on their Aegis combat system for the previous 2 weeks.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1910-2043 View the source record →
  25. The controller called Merge Plot as the flight arrived at altitude.
    “When we arrived at the location at 20,000 ft, the controller called Merge Plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same radar resolution cell as the contact.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2183-2344 View the source record →
  26. The flight noticed white water in the ocean.
    “As we looked around, we noticed some white water off our right side.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2353-2416 View the source record →
  27. Weather was clear with light winds and no whitecaps.
    “The weather on the day of the incident was as close to a perfect day as you could ask, clear skies, light winds, calm seas (no whitecaps from the waves) so the white water stood out in the large blue ocean.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2422-2622 View the source record →
  28. Fravor worried a commercial airliner might have crashed, given the size of the disturbance.
    “Because the disturbance was roughly the size of a 737, he was worried that a commercial airliner might have crashed into the sea.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:8804-8929 View the source record →
  29. Fravor discerned a giant white Tic Tac-shaped object with two appendages, hovering above the water.
    “Descending, Commander Fravor was then shocked to discern what he can only describe as a featureless giant white 'Tic Tac'-candy shaped object with what looked like two appendages below its belly; it was hovering just above the surface of the ocean over the disturbance in the water.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:9589-9865 View the source record →
  30. The object had no windows, no visible engines, no wings, no exhaust, and no markings.
    “The Tic Tac, roughly the length of his FA-18 jet, had no windows, no visible engines, no wings, no exhaust or smoke, and no discernible markings.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:9872-10008 View the source record →
  31. A separate account described the object as about the size of his F/A-18, with no markings, wings, or exhaust plumes.
    “He said it was about the size of his F-18, with no markings, no wings, no exhaust plumes.”
    Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs 00:08:30.6-00:08:36.6
  32. Fravor said the object was 'holding like a Harrier'.
    “CDR Fravor stated that the object was "holding like a Harrier." (Referring to the AV-8B jet aircraft, which is capable of hovering and Vertical/Short Takeoff and Landing (V/STOL) via thrust vectoring.)”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report char:19522-19712 View the source record →
  33. Fravor detached Dietrich's aircraft to hold at altitude while he descended further.
    “At this point CDR Fravor detached FASTEAGLE02, which held at approximately 20,000 feet, and FASTEAGLE01 descended to between 12-16,000 feet.”
    Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG-11) AAV Incident Report char:18663-18798 View the source record →
  34. Pulling nose at about 0.8 kilometres range, the object rapidly accelerated and disappeared.
    “As we pulled nose onto the object at approximately 1/2 of a mile with the object just left of our nose, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared right in front of our aircraft.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3517-3682 View the source record →
  35. His wingman, roughly 2,400 metres above, also lost visual contact.
    “Our wingman, roughly 8,000ft above us, also lost visual.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3692-3741 View the source record →
  36. Fravor's own F/A-18 Hornet fire control radar never picked up the object.
    “We never saw it on our radars. Our fire control radars never picked it up.”
    Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency char:124317-124388 View the source record →
  37. The wingman's radar briefly locked on before losing the lock.
    “The other airplane that took the video did get it on a radar. As soon as it tried to lock it, it jammed the radar, spit the lock and he rapidly switched over to the targeting pod, which you can do in the F–18.”
    Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency char:124393-124599 View the source record →
  38. Fravor said the air controller reported the object had reappeared at the CAP point.
    “As we turned back towards our CAP point, roughly 60 miles east, the air controller let us know that the object had reappeared on the Princeton's Aegis SPY 1 radar at our CAP point.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3838-4012 View the source record →
  39. The object travelled approximately 97 kilometres in less than a minute.
    “This Tic Tac Object had just traveled 60 miles in a very short period of time (less than a minute)”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4019-4110 View the source record →
  40. Fravor considers the object's performance far superior to his F/A-18F and inconsistent with known aerodynamics.
    “was far superior in performance to my brand-new F/A-18F and did not operate with any of the known aerodynamic principles that we expect for objects that fly in our atmosphere.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4119-4283 View the source record →
  41. After returning to the carrier, Fravor mentioned what his flight witnessed to a crew preparing to launch.
    “We returned to Nimitz and mentioned what we had witnessed to one of my crews who were getting ready to launch.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4296-4399 View the source record →
  42. A second pair of aircraft launched, one flown by Chad Underwood with an ATFLIR-equipped jet.
    “As Commander Fravor and his wingman returned to the USS Nimitz from their Tic Tac encounter that 14 November afternoon, a third pair of aircraft headed out. One of the pilots, Lieutenant Chad Underwood, had what is called an ATFLIR pod on his jet.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:16657-16902 View the source record →
  43. Underwood's crew found the Tic Tac waiting at the same cap point.
    “En route, Underwood's weapons systems officer checked the cap point where the previous pilots Dave Fravor and his female pilot wingman last saw the UAP and, sure enough, there it was waiting for them.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:17174-17369 View the source record →
  44. Fravor said there were indications of deliberate jamming when Underwood's radar tried to lock on.
    “Disturbingly, as the US Navy jet tried to lock on to the object with its radar, there were clear indications of deliberate jamming, which Commander Fravor says could be perceived as a hostile act, as technically an act of war'.”
    In Plain Sight ch16:17375-17597 View the source record →
  45. That crew took the approximately 90-second FLIR1 video, released by the US government in 2017.
    “It was that crew that took the now famous approximately 90 second video that was released by the USG in 2017.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4407-4511 View the source record →
  46. The encounter was never officially investigated, and no crew were questioned or had tapes taken.
    “What is shocking is that the incident was never investigated, none of my crew were ever questioned, tapes were never taken, and after a couple of days, it turned into a great story to tell friends.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4763-4952 View the source record →
  47. Not until 2009 did Jay Stratton contact Fravor to investigate the encounter.
    “Not until 2009 did Jay Stratton contact me to investigate what we observed.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4961-5027 View the source record →
  48. In July 2023, Fravor testified under oath before Congress alongside Ryan Graves and David Grusch.
    “members of Congress held another historic bipartisan UAP hearing. This time the hearing had highly credible military witnesses, Commander Fravor, Lieutenant Graves, and Dave Grusch, who were now testifying to the American people in Congress *under oath*”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch32:2345-2593 View the source record →
  49. Fravor considers the object's flight performance beyond current human material science.
    “Commander FRAVOR. The performance. Absolute performance... No. I think it is far beyond, actually, our material science that we currently possess.”
    Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency 34-40 View the source record →
  50. Fravor believes the object moved in a way that defied the laws of physics.
    “Did the Tic Tac UAP move in such a way that defied the laws of physics? Commander FRAVOR. The way we understand them, yes.”
    Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency char:118843-118962 View the source record →
  51. Fravor does not consider himself a UFO enthusiast.
    “I'm not a UFO guy.”
    Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs 00:09:38.0-00:09:38.6
  52. Luis Elizondo considers the object to have responded intelligently to Fravor's actions.
    “It is absolutely intelligent responding to his actions.”
    The UFO Phenomenon | Full Documentary 2021 | 7NEWS Spotlight 00:15:53.9-00:15:56.1
  53. Lex Fridman considers Fravor's account, corroborated by other pilots, the most credible UFO sighting he is aware of.
    “His story corroborated by several other pilots from my perspective as a curious scientist and an open-minded human being is the most credible sighting of a UFO in history, at least that I'm aware of.”
    David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering | Lex Fridman Podcast #122 00:00:35.1-00:00:48.1

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