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George Knapp

George Knapp is an American investigative journalist for KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada, known for decades of reporting on UFO and UAP subjects, including the 1989 interview in which Bob Lazar first spoke publicly about his claimed work on a recovered extra-terrestrial craft.

KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, Nevada · Investigative journalist

George Knapp is an investigative journalist for KLAS-TV in Nevada Las Vegas, where he has worked for 40 years, breaking numerous Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) stories.1 His interest in Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) secrecy began in 1987,2 and he has since written hundreds of UFO-related news stories and series.3

Knapp says that in 1989 he began hearing accounts of crashed saucers, strange materials and reverse-engineering programmes said to be carried out secretly in the Nevada desert by intelligence operatives and defence contractors.4 That year he interviewed Bob Lazar on KLAS-TV in what became known as the 1989 Bob Lazar KLAS interview, in which Lazar asserted - anonymously at first - that he had worked on a recovered extra-terrestrial flying saucer at the purported Site 4 (S-4) facility.5 Knapp later rebutted official denials that Lazar had ever worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, citing an old news story placing him there and the fact that Lazar had sneaked Knapp into the secure facility and was familiar with its workers.6 That same year, Knapp became the first person outside his newsroom to tell Harry Reid, then in his first term as United States Senator, about these accounts.7 Knapp says Reid responded that he wanted to hear more, opening a private conversation between them that continued for the next three decades.8 Knapp kept Reid informed about UFO developments he was pursuing as a journalist, and Reid helped him obtain information otherwise inaccessible.9 Also in 1989, Knapp met billionaire businessman Robert Bigelow.10 Bigelow went on to spend more of his own money on UFO investigations - tens of millions of dollars - than any person in the history of the world.11

In 1996, Bigelow founded his own research organisation, the National Institute for Discovery Science.12 Its science advisory board included PhD-level academics, two former astronauts who had walked on the Moon, and several scientists who had worked for or consulted with the US military and intelligence agencies.13 After the institute began its own investigations, Knapp informed Reid about it and arranged an introduction.14 One of the subjects of interest to Reid, Bigelow and the institute was Russia’s ongoing interest in UFOs.15 In 1993, during the Glasnost-era window when Western journalists and researchers could investigate previously off-limits subjects in the former USSR,16 Knapp - with the assistance of former US Congressman Jim Bilbray - met Russian physicist and national security adviser Nikolai Kapranov,17 asking him to identify high-ranking figures in the former USSR who might discuss secret Russian UFO programmes.18 In the spring of 1993, in what is now referred to as the 1993 George Knapp Moscow investigation trip, Knapp travelled to Moscow with two colleagues and interviewed more than a dozen military officials, intelligence operatives and scientists with knowledge of UFO incidents from the Cold War era.19 Knapp has said the Russian military’s UFO investigation was directed by Colonel Boris Sokolov,20 who told him of 45 incidents in which Russian warplanes engaged with UFOs.21

Knapp has said his information from Russia made a lasting impression on Reid and became a key factor in a secretive programme launched a few years later.22 The 22 million US dollars Reid subsequently secured did not fund the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) itself, but instead went to a separate effort managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.23 That effort was dubbed the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program.24 AATIP itself was launched from the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and managed by career counterintelligence officer Luis Elizondo.25 Reporting on AATIP in the New York Times was largely responsible for the creation, by the United States Congress, of the Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena Task Force, which later became the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office.26 The first case investigated under the Bigelow-run programme was the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac UAP incident,27 and the programme lasted 27 months before it was ended, rather than the five-year term originally planned by the Defense Intelligence Agency.28

By mid-2019, Knapp had for two years been a vocal defender of Elizondo and Tom DeLonge, pushing back on critics of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science (TTSA).29 He also purchased TTSA stock, something he did not always disclose to readers and viewers in his reporting.30 Knapp later acknowledged, in an email to The Intercept, buying 400 shares of TTSA stock in 2018, saying it was intended as support for the company rather than as an investment.31 He has said he placed the shares in a trust to be donated to charity and believes he now owns none of the company’s stock.32 In a 2018 interview with Knapp on the radio programme Coast to Coast AM, Eric Davis said the word “Threat” in AATIP’s name referred to the fact that the UFO phenomenon had interfered with operations and had officially been branded a threat requiring study.33 In the same interview, Davis cited the case now known as the 1950 Del Rio, Texas alleged Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) crash retrieval, of 5 December 1950, an alleged crashed extra-terrestrial craft near Del Rio, Texas said to have been recovered by the US Air Force.34 Davis, discussing his work on the LLC Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies contract with the Defense Intelligence Agency, told Knapp that recovered extra-terrestrial craft did exist, though the information about them had not yet been revealed or published.35 Knapp has also interviewed DeLonge at length. In a March 2016 interview, DeLonge told Knapp he had learned from government insiders that the United States had made a secret technological breakthrough in anti-gravity propulsion.36 DeLonge added that the United States was building machinery with anti-gravity capability.37 DeLonge has also described to Knapp his first meeting with a figure he called “The General”, who he said made extraordinary and terrifying claims about a recovered alien lifeform.38 DeLonge was at pains in that interview to characterise The General as a well-intentioned person.39 When Knapp asked DeLonge why officials would confide secret information in a rock musician, suggesting it might give them plausible deniability if things went wrong,40 DeLonge replied that officials could deny or discredit anybody, even presidents, and that people were talking about levels of power civilians could not comprehend.41

In late 2018, Knapp told viewers that one sample from Art’s Parts (alleged Roswell metal samples) was engineered in layers thinner than microns, through a process he said was unknown on Earth.42 After Lazar came forward publicly, Knapp called him and arranged to meet at the Union Plaza Hotel in Las Vegas,43 a meeting that came relatively soon afterwards, not months later.44 Lazar has said that, before a later interview, he had never mentioned the name of Chuck Payne to anyone, including Knapp.45 According to Jason Samosa, Knapp is among those within the UFO field - alongside researcher Jacques Vallee - who have long used the term Collins Elite, often to refer to several different things.46 In more recent years, Knapp and Jeremy Corbell received a series of leaked UAP videos and went to considerable effort to provide them to Congress.47 Journalist Ross Coulthart has said Corbell and Knapp were careful to vet their sources and ensured the videos were not released without proper redactions or without checking whether secrets would be compromised.48 Coulthart has also said around 46 of the videos were provided to Congress, many of them first brought to the attention of the Congressional Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Caucus as a result of Corbell and Knapp’s work.49

  1. Knapp has worked at KLAS-TV for 40 years, breaking numerous UAP stories
    “Las Vegas investigative journalist George Knapp is a multi-award-winning investigative journalist who has worked for Nevada's KLAS-TV for 40 years, breaking many extraordinary UAP stories.”
    In Plain Sight ch15:13284-13464 View the source record →
  2. Knapp's interest in UFO secrecy began in 1987
    “As a journalist, my interest in UFO secrecy began in 1987.”
    Statement to Congress char:774-827
  3. Knapp has written hundreds of UFO-related news stories and series
    “I have written hundreds of UFO-related news stories and series”
    Statement to Congress char:858-914
  4. Knapp says he began hearing accounts of crashed saucers and secret Nevada desert programmes in 1989
    “In 1989, I started hearing seemingly-outlandish tidbits regarding crashed saucers, strange materials, and reverse engineering programs being carried out in secrecy in the Nevada desert”
    Statement to Congress char:2424-2602
  5. 1989 interview in which Lazar asserted work on a recovered saucer at the purported S-4 facility
    “Years later, in 1989, Lazar went public in an interview with investigative journalist George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS, asserting (anonymously, at first) his purported employment working on a recovered extra-terrestrial flying saucer at the supposed S-4 facility, adjacent to Papoose Lake south of Area 51”
    In Plain Sight ch13:20633-20945 View the source record →
  6. Knapp rebutted denials that Lazar worked at Los Alamos, citing Lazar sneaking him into the facility
    “Journalist George Knapp has convincingly rebutted official denials that Lazar ever worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico; not only is there an old news story placing him there, Lazar sneaked Knapp into the secure facility and Lazar was clearly very familiar with the site and knew workers inside.”
    In Plain Sight ch13:23810-24116 View the source record →
  7. Knapp was the first outside his newsroom to tell Harry Reid about the accounts, in 1989
    “The first person I told about this - outside of our newsroom - was U.S. Senator Harry Reid, then in his first term in the Senate.”
    Statement to Congress char:2661-2783
  8. Reid said he wanted to hear more, beginning a private conversation lasting three decades
    “Reid said he was interested in hearing more, and that began a private, two-way conversation that continued for the next three decades.”
    Statement to Congress char:2791-2917
  9. Knapp kept Reid informed about his reporting, and Reid helped him obtain information
    “I kept Sen. Reid in the loop about UFO developments I was pursuing as a journalist, and he helped me obtain information that I might otherwise be unable to access on my own.”
    Statement to Congress char:2926-3095
  10. In 1989 Knapp also met billionaire businessman Robert Bigelow
    “The other person I met in 1989 related to the UFO mystery was a billionaire businessman named Robert Bigelow, who owned vast real estate and hotel properties in multiple states.”
    Statement to Congress char:3359-3529
  11. Bigelow spent tens of millions of dollars on UFO investigations, more than anyone in history
    “To date, he has spent more of his own money on UFO investigations than any person in the history of the world - tens of millions of dollars.”
    Statement to Congress char:3629-3761
  12. In 1996 Bigelow founded the National Institute for Discovery Science
    “In 1996, Bigelow created his own research organization, the National Institute for Discovery Science”
    Statement to Congress char:3770-3863
  13. The institute's science advisory board included PhD academics, former astronauts, and military-linked scientists
    “with a science advisory board made up of PhD-level academics, two of the former astronauts who had walked on the moon, and several scientists who had worked for or consulted with the U.S. military and intelligence agencies”
    Statement to Congress char:3872-4086
  14. Knapp informed Reid about the institute and arranged an introduction
    “After NIDS began its own investigations and projects, I informed Senator Reid about the organization and arranged an introduction.”
    Statement to Congress char:4341-4458
  15. Russia's ongoing interest in UFOs was a subject of interest to Reid, Bigelow and the institute
    “One of the topics that was of interest to Reid, Bigelow, and NIDS was Russia's ongoing interest in UFOs.”
    Statement to Congress char:4806-4905
  16. In 1993, the Glasnost-era window allowed Western researchers to investigate off-limits Soviet subjects
    “In 1993, there was a brief window of opportunity in the former USSR. The period known as Glasnost offered the possibility that western journalists and researchers might be able to learn about subjects that were previously off limits during the worst days of the Cold War.”
    Statement to Congress char:4911-5178
  17. Knapp met Russian physicist and security adviser Nikolai Kapranov with the help of Jim Bilbray
    “With the assistance off former US Congressman Jim Bilbray, I met a Russian physicist and national security advisor who was in the U.S. in order to speak about arms control issues and nuclear detente at our national laboratories and nuclear weapons facilities.”
    Statement to Congress char:5183-5431
  18. Knapp asked Kapranov to identify high-ranking figures who could discuss secret Russian UFO programmes
    “I asked Dr. Nikolai Kapranov if he might be willing to find high ranking persons in the former USSR who may have been in a position to know about any secret UFO programs or investigations in Russia and whether any of those persons would agree to meet with me.”
    Statement to Congress char:5443-5699
  19. In spring 1993 Knapp travelled to Moscow and interviewed more than a dozen officials
    “In the spring of that year, I traveled with two colleagues to Moscow, met and interviewed more than a dozen military officials, intelligence operatives, and scientists who had knowledge of UFO incidents and studies in the former USSR during the Cold War.”
    Statement to Congress char:5813-6063
  20. Knapp said the Russian military's UFO investigation was directed by Colonel Boris Sokolov
    “Many of the incidents described to me by the program's director Col. Boris Sokolov were alarming.”
    Statement to Congress char:6623-6711
  21. Sokolov told Knapp of 45 incidents of Russian warplanes engaging UFOs
    “Sokolov said there had been 45 incidents in which Russian warplanes engaged with UFOs, chased them, even shot at them.”
    Statement to Congress char:6721-6834
  22. Knapp's Russia information impressed Reid and became a key factor in a later secretive programme
    “The information made lasting impression on Senator Reid and others and became a key factor in a secretive program that was launched a few years later.”
    Statement to Congress char:8132-8276
  23. The 22 million US dollars Reid secured did not fund AATIP but a separate DIA effort
    “The $22 million secured by Reid did not fund AATIP. Rather, it went into an entirely different effort managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.”
    Statement to Congress char:9602-9740
  24. That effort was dubbed the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program
    “The original program was dubbed AAWSAP, the Advanced Weapons System Application program.”
    Statement to Congress char:9748-9828
  25. AATIP was launched from the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, managed by Elizondo
    “AATIP was launched from OUSDI, the office of the undersecretary for defense intelligence and was managed by a career counterintelligence officer named Lue Elizondo.”
    Statement to Congress char:8712-8867
  26. New York Times reporting on AATIP led to Congress creating the Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena Task Force
    “was largely responsible for the creation by Congress of the UAP Task Force, which later morphed into AARO, the current UFO program approved by Congress.”
    Statement to Congress char:9218-9361
  27. The first case investigated under the Bigelow-run programme was the 2004 USS Nimitz Tic Tac incident
    “The very first case investigated by AAWSAP was the Tic Tac incident from 2004.”
    Statement to Congress char:11018-11091
  28. The programme lasted 27 months rather than the five years originally planned
    “It lasted a mere 27 months before the plug was pulled, instead of a five year operation as planned by DIA.”
    Statement to Congress char:12104-12206
  29. By mid-2019 Knapp had for two years defended Elizondo and DeLonge against TTSA critics
    “Knapp has been a vocal defender of Elizondo and DeLonge for the past two years, pushing back on critics who have raised thorny questions about To the Stars.”
    The Media Loves This UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He? char:14740-14890 View the source record →
  30. Knapp purchased TTSA stock, not always disclosed in his reporting
    “Knapp also purchased stock in the company, something he has not always revealed to readers and viewers in his reporting.”
    The Media Loves This UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He? char:14897-15007 View the source record →
  31. Knapp acknowledged buying 400 TTSA shares in 2018 as support rather than investment
    “In an email to The Intercept, Knapp acknowledged buying 400 shares of the academy’s stock in 2018, “not as an investment, but as a way to support their fledgling company and their work.””
    The Media Loves This UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He? char:15019-15199 View the source record →
  32. Knapp placed the shares in a charitable trust and believes he now owns none
    “Knapp also said that he put the shares in a trust that “would be donated to a charity.” He believes that transaction has been completed and that he now owns “zero stock” in the company, he wrote.”
    The Media Loves This UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He? char:15312-15501 View the source record →
  33. Eric Davis told Knapp on Coast to Coast AM that 'Threat' in AATIP referred to interference with operations
    “In a 2018 radio interview with George Knapp on Coast to Coast AM, Davis said, 'The Threat in AATIP refers to the fact that the UFO phenomenon has interfered with operations. The phenomenon was officially branded a threat, and the threat had to be studied.'”
    In Plain Sight ch17:10150-10401 View the source record →
  34. Davis cited the 5 December 1950 Del Rio, Texas case of an alleged recovered craft
    “So it was intriguing to hear Dr Davis citing one of those other claimed extra-terrestrial spacecraft crashes in his interview with George Knapp – the 5 December 1950 case known as Del Rio, which allegedly involved a crashed craft near the town of Del Rio, Texas, that was subsequently recovered by the US Air Force.”
    In Plain Sight ch17:13803-14112 View the source record →
  35. Davis told Knapp that recovered extra-terrestrial craft existed, though not yet publicly revealed
    “Talking about his work for the Bigelow BAASS Defense Intelligence Agency contract, Dr Davis went on to tell George Knapp there were indeed recovered ET craft, the information about which had not yet been revealed or published.”
    In Plain Sight ch17:15421-15637 View the source record →
  36. DeLonge told Knapp of a secret US anti-gravity propulsion breakthrough, March 2016
    “I find myself thinking back to Tom DeLonge’s animated claims back in March 2016 to George Knapp, that he learned from his government insiders that the US had made a stunning secret technological breakthrough in anti-gravitic propulsion, and that the world was on the brink of learning about these extraordinary scientific achievements.”
    In Plain Sight ch22:21754-22103 View the source record →
  37. DeLonge said the US was building machinery with anti-gravity capability
    “‘Yes, we are building machinery that have anti-gravity. And yes, I was told that. It’s a big deal,’ DeLonge effused.”
    In Plain Sight ch22:22118-22225 View the source record →
  38. DeLonge described his first meeting with 'The General' and claims about a recovered alien lifeform
    “DeLonge also expanded, in his interview with George Knapp,10 on that first meeting with ‘The General’ who made the extraordinary and apparently terrifying claims about a recovered alien ‘lifeform’.”
    In Plain Sight ch19:15143-15330 View the source record →
  39. DeLonge was at pains to describe 'The General' as well-intentioned
    “In his interview with George Knapp, DeLonge was at pains to ensure people understand ‘The General’ is a great, well-intentioned guy”
    In Plain Sight ch19:3375-3503 View the source record →
  40. Knapp asked DeLonge why officials would confide in a rock musician, suggesting plausible deniability
    “George Knapp pulled DeLonge up at one stage and asked, ‘People will say, this guy’s a rock musician, they’re not going to tell this stuff to him or they’re going to tell him stuff that they’re going to have plausible deniability . . . if this goes wrong, they can discredit you, or deny it?’”
    In Plain Sight ch19:4741-5028 View the source record →
  41. DeLonge replied officials could discredit anybody, even presidents
    “‘Well, they can do that to anybody,’ DeLonge replied. ‘They can do that to presidents. You’re talking about levels of power that we can’t comprehend as civilians. Frankly, I don’t care if anyone doesn’t believe me. I’m in the middle of something very important. I just gotta’ do what I said I’ll do.’”
    In Plain Sight ch19:5035-5330 View the source record →
  42. Knapp told viewers an Art's Parts sample was engineered in layers thinner than microns
    “'This one sample is engineered in layers thinner than microns through a process unknown on Earth, and for a purpose we can only guess,' journalist George Knapp excitedly told viewers in late 2018 over vision of what looked like the Art's Parts' bismuth/magnesium-zinc sample.”
    In Plain Sight ch24:2632-2899 View the source record →
  43. Knapp called Lazar and arranged to meet at the Union Plaza Hotel after Lazar went public
    “he called to meet at the union plaza hotel... to meet at the Union Plaza hotel.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:12:56.5-00:12:58.0
  44. The meeting came relatively soon after Lazar came forward, not months later
    “no it wasn't months i don't think it was months... yeah it was it was definitely relatively soon after”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:13:09.3-00:13:15.8
  45. Lazar had never mentioned Chuck Payne's name to anyone, including Knapp, before a later interview
    “Have you ever mentioned this to George Knapp? No, no.”
    Bob Lazar Just Revealed His BIGGEST Secret - DEBRIEFED ep. 87 00:04:31.1-00:04:33.6
  46. Samosa says Knapp, like Jacques Vallee, has long used the term Collins Elite
    “I think people on the inside talk about the Collins Elite, they've been talking about them for a while, whether it's Jacques Vallée or George Knapp or whoever. When they use that word, I think they're often referring to multiple things.”
    The UFO Cover-Up Leads to One Secret Society — and One Final Event 00:16:17.3-00:16:27.6
  47. Knapp and Jeremy Corbell received UAP videos and worked to provide them to Congress
    “Jeremy and George, George Knapp, have received a series of videos that they've gone to an enormous amount of effort to provide to the Congress.”
    Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 00:13:57.3-00:14:05.5
  48. Coulthart said Corbell and Knapp were careful to vet sources and secure proper redactions
    “I know how careful both of them have been in making sure they vet their sources. and in making sure that those videos are not released publicly without having proper redactions or checked first with people who actually know whether or not there are secrets that are being compromised”
    Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 00:15:18.0-00:15:34.4
  49. Coulthart said around 46 videos went to Congress via the Congressional UAP Caucus
    “a lot of the 46 or so videos that were allegedly provided or brought to the attention of the Congress were originally alerted to the knowledge of the Congress UAP caucus, I'm told, as a result of great work done by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp.”
    Ross Coulthart Answers Your Biggest UAP Questions | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart 00:14:06.8-00:14:22.8

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