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Harold E. Puthoff

Harold E. Puthoff is a theoretical physicist and engineer who worked for decades on classified US government research, including CIA-sponsored extrasensory perception studies, the Stargate remote-viewing programme, and later UAP-related contract work for the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.

Extrasensory perception and remote-viewing research for the CIA; contractor for AAWSAP/AATIP; co-founder of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science · Theoretical physicist and engineer

Harold E. Puthoff, widely known as Hal Puthoff, is a physicist and engineer1 who spent more than fifty years as a chief scientist on highly classified projects for the United States government.2 He earned his PhD from Stanford University in 1967,3 and his career subsequently spanned research posts at General Electric, Sperry Corporation, the National Security Agency (NSA), Stanford University, and SRI International.4 He served as a senior scientific advisor to almost every US government entity, including the United States Department of Defense (DoD) and agencies within the intelligence community such as the NSA,5 published numerous papers on quantum physics, lasers, and space propulsion,6 and held patents in the laser, energy, and communications fields.7 In various capacities he reported directly to the White House and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).8

Puthoff conducted research into extrasensory perception for the CIA,9 and pioneered the Remote Viewing (RV) technique at Stanford University in the late 1960s.10 He and Russell Targ were then approached by the CIA and told that Russia had a remote-viewing programme, prompting the effort that became Project Stargate.11 Puthoff went on to manage the CIA’s Stargate program.12 He and Targ were directly responsible for the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory’s output between 1972 and 1986,13 and their 1976 paper describing what became known as the Outbounder remote-viewing protocol, published in the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) journal, brought notoriety to the field.14 The programme became successful enough that Puthoff reported directly to the CIA director and the White House on a regular basis.15 According to Puthoff and Targ’s SRI report, individuals with no previous exposure to remote viewing, including visiting government scientists and contract monitors, were able to learn to perform well under the experimental procedure the pair developed.16 Most of the subjects they worked with displayed some degree of remote-viewing talent from the outset,17 and typically chose to continue their involvement out of personal interest, a form of self-selection.18 Ingo Swann worked with Puthoff and Targ, two of the field’s leading researchers,19 and recalled that Puthoff told him he had been the first to find a ring around Jupiter.20 Pat Price, another SRI remote viewer, gave Puthoff an unsolicited package of his remote-viewing notes in 1973 describing four alleged “UFO bases” on Earth.21

Puthoff’s work also extended to physical evidence associated with UAP. In a 1997 paper, he commented on possible UFO artefact samples recovered from the Ubatuba object, a Brazilian UAP reported to have ejected pure magnesium fragments in two separate incidents in 1954 and 1957.22 He wrote that laboratory analysis found the magnesium to be of exceptional purity, anomalous in its trace composition of other elements, and 6.7% denser than ordinary pure magnesium, a difference he stated was well beyond the experimental error of the measurement.23 He wrote that the result must be considered at least anomalous, and possibly evidence of extraterrestrial manufacture of the sample.24 His findings were published as the 1997 Hal Puthoff paper on Ubatuba magnesium samples. Puthoff also examined samples associated with Art’s Parts (alleged Roswell metal samples). He said that no evidence could be found that anybody had ever made a sample like the bismuth/magnesium-zinc material, and that people in the materials field did not know why anyone would want to make anything like it.25 In a 2012 letter to Linda Moulton Howe, he stated that tests he had carried out on the samples had not produced an interesting or anomalous outcome when various fields were applied,26 though he told a Las Vegas conference in 2018 that the bismuth/magnesium material turned out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high-frequency electromagnetic radiation at terahertz frequencies.27 A 2019 To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences (TTSA) Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) disclosure on Art’s Parts purchase recorded that Tom DeLonge sold six of the samples to the company for $35,000, and that Puthoff would analyse them for TTSA.28 An earlier 2018 disclosure by TTSA to the SEC had already revealed that the organisation retained Puthoff’s company, EarthTech International Inc., to prepare plans on materials analysis and beamed energy propulsion launch systems.29

Puthoff worked for the NSA and the CIA30 before, in 2017, joining Luis Elizondo and Christopher K. Mellon, another former DoD official, in a new commercial venture called the To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science (TTSA),31 which aimed to raise money for research into UFOs.32 He was TTSA’s third co-founder33 and helped lead the organisation’s campaign to get the US government to disclose what it knows about UAP.34 The venture also involved Jim Semivan and Steve Justice.35 In 2021, a week after disclosing the departures of Mellon, Elizondo, and Justice, Tom DeLonge disclosed Puthoff’s resignation as a TTSA director;36 he then transitioned to the company’s scientific advisory board.37 Separately, Puthoff was a contractor and senior advisor to the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), continuing to attend meetings, provide briefings, and prepare Proposed Program Plans under Elizondo’s leadership until Elizondo’s resignation.38 Puthoff was the programme’s chief scientist,39 and before Elizondo joined the effort, Puthoff had already conceived and commissioned studies into invisibility cloaking, traversable wormholes, antigravity, brain-machine interfaces, and warp drive.40 As a senior scientist for Bigelow Aerospace working on AATIP, Puthoff commissioned around 36 papers from experts worldwide on where their field of expertise would stand by 2050, without disclosing any connection to UAP or extraterrestrials;41 the papers were posted to a classified Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) website,42 and most were later released under Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests.43 Puthoff has said AAWSAP was a classified programme intended to obtain answers about UAP,44 begun in 2008,45 and started by Senator Harry Reid and a couple of other senators,46 and that AATIP was a nickname for AAWSAP rather than an independent programme,47 which had not itself been funded by congressional mandate.48

Puthoff has told Elizondo that a UAP crash occurred at the 1947 Roswell Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) crash site in New Mexico and that the crash was covered up by the government,49 and that four deceased nonhuman bodies were recovered from the crash.50 He has possessed a piece of material allegedly recovered from the crash.51 Puthoff has also spoken of a Legacy Program with access to crash material and biologics,52 whose gatekeepers he describes as unelected security personnel whose job is to ensure the programme is not exposed.53 He has said the programme was shut down because no progress had been made, as its participants could not get materials in front of scientists able to evaluate them properly,54 but later clarified that it was specifically the attempt to make progress via AAWSAP that was halted, not the Legacy Program itself.55 Separately, Eric Davis, who worked for Puthoff,56 interviewed retired admiral Thomas Wilson in 2002; Puthoff was Davis’s boss at the time of the alleged meeting.57 The notes of that meeting later circulated as The Admiral Wilson Memo. Willard Miller said he would assist Davis and Puthoff with their ongoing research into UFO crash retrievals, subject to caveats,58 but required that his name not be mentioned or associated with their work.59 Asked about the memo at an Arlington Institute address in February 2020, Puthoff said it had been leaked on the internet and that Wilson was one of the joint chiefs of staff interviewed by Davis, declining to comment further because it discussed potentially ongoing programmes.60

  1. Puthoff is a physicist and engineer
    “He is a physicist, an engineer, and a man of deep mystery when it comes to some of America’s most sensitive and controversial projects.”
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  2. Spent more than fifty years as chief scientist on highly classified US government projects
    “For over fifty years, he worked as the chief scientist on highly classified projects for the government.”
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  3. Earned his PhD from Stanford University in 1967
    “Hal earned his PhD from Stanford University in 1967.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch10:2368-2415 View the source record →
  4. Career spanned General Electric, Sperry Corporation, NSA, Stanford University, and SRI International
    “His professional background spans decades of research at General Electric, Sperry, the NSA, Stanford University, and SRI International”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch10:2421-2542 View the source record →
  5. Senior scientific advisor to almost every US government entity, including DoD and NSA
    “he has served almost every government entity (for example, the Department of Defense and agencies within the intelligence community, such as the NSA) as a senior scientific advisor.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch10:2561-2734 View the source record →
  6. Published numerous papers on quantum physics, lasers, and space propulsion
    “He published numerous papers on quantum physics, lasers, and space propulsion”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch10:2743-2810 View the source record →
  7. Held patents in the laser, energy, and communications fields
    “had patents issued in the laser, energy, and communications fields, which I suggest reading.”
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  8. Reported directly to the White House and the CIA director in various capacities
    “In various past capacities, he had regularly reported directly to the White House and the director of the CIA.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch10:2057-2163 View the source record →
  9. Conducted ESP research for the CIA
    “said Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor for the program.”
    Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program (Published 2017) char:9966-10112 View the source record →
  10. Pioneered the remote viewing technique at Stanford in the late 1960s
    “The program, pioneered at Stanford University in the late 1960s, was led by none other than Hal Puthoff”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch11:25107-25203 View the source record →
  11. He and Targ approached by CIA and told Russia had a remote viewing programme
    “Hal had been a Stanford University researcher and an employee of the NSA when he and his colleague Russell Targ were approached by the CIA and told that Russia had a remote-viewing program.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch11:25266-25447 View the source record →
  12. Puthoff previously managed the CIA's Stargate program
    “The last time Hal had made this much progress on a program was during his time managing the CIA’s Stargate program.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch12:45073-45180 View the source record →
  13. Puthoff and Targ directly responsible for the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory's output, 1972-1986
    “These accomplishments were and are directly attributable to Dr. Hal Puthoff and Mr. Russell Targ in the early years, 1972 through 1986”
    Remote Viewing Secrets ch9:7692-7822
  14. Outbounder protocol, published by Puthoff and Targ in the IEEE journal in 1976, brought notoriety to the field
    “Historically this is the baseline protocol that brought notoriety to remote viewing following publication in the IEEE by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ in 1976.”
    Remote Viewing Secrets ch17:4388-4541
  15. Programme became successful enough that Puthoff reported to the CIA director and White House regularly
    “Stargate became so successful, Hal reported directly to the director of the CIA and the White House on a regular basis.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch11:25998-26111 View the source record →
  16. Subjects with no prior exposure learned to perform well under SRI's experimental procedure
    “The development at SRI of a successful experimental procedure to elicit this capability has evolved to the point where persons such as visiting government scientists and contract monitors, with no previous exposure to such concepts, have learned to perform well”
    Remote Viewing Secrets ch16:2166-2423
  17. Most subjects displayed some remote-viewing talent from the outset
    “most of the people Hal and Russell worked with were the ones who: A: Displayed some degree of talent from the outset.”
    Remote Viewing Secrets ch16:3847-3958
  18. Subjects typically continued out of personal interest, a form of self-selection
    “B: Voluntarily chose to continue involvement out of a strong personal interest in the subject (which is obviously a form of self-selection).”
    Remote Viewing Secrets ch16:3967-4096
  19. Ingo Swann worked with Puthoff and Targ, two leading researchers in the field
    “He soon began to work with Dr. Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, two of the leading researchers in the field of parapsychology.”
    How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 00:04:34.1-00:04:39.7
  20. Swann recalled Puthoff told him he was the first to find a ring around Jupiter
    “So Hal came and said, you're the first to find a ring around Jupiter. I said, I am.”
    How The CIA Spent Millions On Psychic Spies - PROJECT: STARGATE (Documentary 1 of 3) 00:05:50.6-00:05:56.1
  21. Pat Price gave Puthoff an unsolicited package of RV notes describing four alleged UFO bases, 1973
    “In 1973 Pat Price, one of the “stars” of the Stanford Research Institute’s (SRI) genesis RV program, gave an unsolicited package to Hal Puthoff, one of the key scientists running the SRI project. It contained Price’s remote viewing notes of four “UFO bases” on Earth.”
    Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence for Alien Abductions ch23:30560-30821
  22. 1997 paper commenting on possible UFO artefact samples from the Ubatuba object
    “In a 1997 paper, Hal Puthoff commented about 'possible UFO artifact' samples recovered from a Brazilian UAP – the so-called Ubatuba object, which reportedly ejected pure magnesium metal fragments as it flew over Ubatuba in San Paulo province in Brazil in two separate incidents in 1954 and 1957.”
    In Plain Sight ch24:10686-10976 View the source record →
  23. Magnesium of exceptional purity, anomalous trace composition, 6.7% denser than ordinary magnesium
    “'Laboratory analysis of the samples found the magnesium to be not only of exceptional purity, and anomalous in its trace composition of other elements, but 6.7% denser than ordinary pure magnesium, a figure well beyond the experimental error of the measurement,' Puthoff wrote in the same 1997 book review.”
    In Plain Sight ch24:10983-11281 View the source record →
  24. Result considered anomalous, possibly evidence of extraterrestrial manufacture
    “'Since the only isotope separation on a significant scale in terrestrial manufacture is that of uranium, such a result must be considered at least anomalous, and possibly as evidence for extra-terrestrial manufacture,' Puthoff wrote in 1997.”
    In Plain Sight ch24:11479-11741 View the source record →
  25. No evidence anybody had made a sample like the Art's Parts bismuth/magnesium-zinc material
    “'Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these. When we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don't know why anybody would want to make anything like this.'”
    In Plain Sight ch24:2948-3154 View the source record →
  26. 2012 letter to Linda Moulton Howe: tests did not produce an anomalous outcome
    “A letter from Dr Hal Puthoff (formerly with TTSA) to Linda Moulton Howe in 2012, revealed by journalist M.J. Banias on Motherboard, admitted that tests he did back then on the Art's Parts samples 'did not yield an interesting/anomalous outcome in the tests involving the application of various fields'.”
    In Plain Sight ch24:3163-3486 View the source record →
  27. 2018 conference remark: material an excellent microscopic waveguide at terahertz frequencies
    “But then Puthoff later told a Las Vegas conference in 2018 that the bismuth/magnesium samples 'turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies'.”
    In Plain Sight ch24:3496-3701 View the source record →
  28. 2019 TTSA SEC disclosure: DeLonge sold six samples for $35,000, Puthoff to analyse them
    “There was a disclosure notice by TTSA to the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) revealing that in 2019 Tom DeLonge sold the same six 'Art's Parts' samples to his company for $35,000 and that Hal Puthoff would be analysing them for TTSA.”
    In Plain Sight ch23:12669-12902 View the source record →
  29. 2018 TTSA SEC disclosure: EarthTech retained for materials analysis and beamed energy propulsion plans
    “An earlier 2018 disclosure TTSA made to the US Securities and Exchange Commission revealed that TTSA has already retained Hal Puthoff's EarthTech International Inc. to prepare plans on materials analysis and beamed energy propulsion launch systems”
    In Plain Sight ch23:17382-17615 View the source record →
  30. Puthoff worked for the NSA and the CIA
    “Hal Puthoff worked for the NSA and CIA.”
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  31. Elizondo joined Puthoff and Mellon in new venture called TTSA
    “Mr. Elizondo has now joined Mr. Puthoff and another former Defense Department official, Christopher K. Mellon, who was a deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, in a new commercial venture called To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.”
    Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program (Published 2017) char:12517-12762 View the source record →
  32. TTSA aims to raise money for research into UFOs
    “They are speaking publicly about their efforts as their venture aims to raise money for research into U.F.O.s.”
    Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program (Published 2017) char:12771-12879 View the source record →
  33. Puthoff was TTSA's third co-founder
    “There was also the third co-founder of TTSA, Dr Hal Puthoff, a theoretical physicist”
    In Plain Sight ch21:970-1045 View the source record →
  34. Helped lead TTSA's campaign for government UAP disclosure
    “Is it also just a coincidence that Dr Hal Puthoff, one of those who led the campaign through To The Stars Academy (TTSA) to get the US government to open up on what it knows about UAPs, is the boffin who the US Navy quotes in support of a faster-than-light spacecraft?”
    In Plain Sight ch28:6667-6924 View the source record →
  35. TTSA involved Mellon, Elizondo, Semivan, Justice, and Puthoff
    “the people who went ahead and setting up to the STARS Academy, I mean, did involve Chris Mellon, involved Lou Elizondo, Jim Simivan, Steve Justice from, you know, So anyway, and me.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:48:19.7-00:48:35.4
  36. DeLonge disclosed Puthoff's resignation as TTSA director, 2021
    “but also, a week later, Dr Hal Puthoff's resignation as a director.”
    In Plain Sight ch21:23850-23908 View the source record →
  37. Puthoff transitioned to TTSA's scientific advisory board
    “As a result, Dr. Harold E. Puthoff, one of TTSA's board members, has transitioned from his role as a director to serve on the company's scientific advisory board'.”
    In Plain Sight ch21:24145-24301 View the source record →
  38. Puthoff continued AAWSAP/AATIP work under Elizondo's leadership until his resignation
    “I have no problem asserting that as an AAWSAP [Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program]/AATIP Contractor & Senior Advisor I continued to attend meetings, provide briefings, gain access to videos, provide Proposed Program Plans, meet with staff, etc., all under the aegis of Elizondo’s leadership and responsibility for maintaining continuity of the Program effort and goals until he resigned.”
    Pentagon Reinforces Mr. Luis Elizondo Had 'No Responsibilities' on AATIP; Senator Harry Reid's 2009 Memo Changes Nothing - The Black Vault char:6307-6705 View the source record →
  39. Puthoff was the programme's chief scientist
    “He was the program’s chief scientist.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch10:2329-2356 View the source record →
  40. Puthoff had conceived and commissioned studies into cloaking, wormholes, antigravity, brain-machine interfaces, and warp drives
    “Even before I’d come aboard, Hal conceived and commissioned fascinating studies for AAWSAP/AATIP, including invisibility cloaking, traversable wormholes and stargates, antigravity, brain/machine interfaces, and warp drives.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch12:44339-44555 View the source record →
  41. Commissioned ~36 papers from experts on their field's future, without disclosing UAP connection
    “I commissioned, I think it was 36 papers from leading experts all over the world. asking them, saying, I was just doing a survey for Bigelow Aerospace. Where will your area of expertise be by the year 2050? I didn't tell them it had anything to do with, quote, ETs or UAPs or whatever.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:11:31.2-00:11:51.7
  42. Papers posted to a classified JWICS website
    “they were all put up on a classified website, JWICS website.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:11:55.7-00:12:00.3
  43. Most papers later released under FOIA requests
    “But by now, most of those papers have been released through FOIA, so there's a lot of good data in there.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:12:01.4-00:12:08.6
  44. AAWSAP was a classified programme intended to obtain answers about UAP
    “Well, basically, AAWSAP was the program to actually try to get the answers, although it was at a classified level.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:24:36.8-00:24:43.5
  45. AAWSAP began in 2008
    “So, AAWSAP and what we did starting in 2008 was completely separate from the legacy program.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:29:35.9-00:29:43.6
  46. AAWSAP started by Senator Harry Reid and a couple of other senators
    “the AAWSAP program was started by Senator Harry Reid and a couple of other senators.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:28:51.0-00:28:55.7
  47. AATIP was a nickname for AAWSAP, not an independent programme
    “AATIP actually had been a nickname for AAWSAP, you know, along the way, but it was not itself an independent program.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:46:39.0-00:46:48.9
  48. AATIP not funded by congressional mandate
    “So, no, AATIP was not actually funded.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:25:13.4-00:25:15.2
  49. Puthoff told Elizondo a UAP crash occurred at Roswell in 1947, covered up by the government
    ““Well… it all goes back to Roswell in 1947.” ... “You mean to tell me that a UAP actually crashed and we covered it up?” “That’s exactly what happened,” he replied.”
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  50. Puthoff told Elizondo four deceased nonhuman bodies were recovered from the Roswell crash
    “Hal went on to tell me something else that truly blew my mind. Four deceased nonhuman bodies were in fact recovered from the 1947 Roswell crash.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch12:13773-13911 View the source record →
  51. Puthoff possessed a piece of material allegedly recovered from the Roswell crash
    “Hal had in his possession material allegedly recovered from the Roswell crash.”
    Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs ch24:18638-18710 View the source record →
  52. Puthoff has spoken of a legacy program with access to crash material and biologics
    “they certainly had access”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:32:00.9-00:32:01.7
  53. Gatekeepers of the legacy program are unelected security personnel ensuring it is not exposed
    “there are certain people who their job is to make sure that the Deep Legacy program doesn't get exposed or doesn't come to light. / Unelected individuals, yes. They're security type people.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:37:06.8-00:37:23.9
  54. Legacy program said to have been shut down after participants could not get materials properly evaluated
    “The program got shut down, actually, I don't quite remember the date, because no progress had been made. Because they couldn't get materials in front of scientists who could do a good job of evaluating them. So it died, more or less.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:32:18.5-00:32:33.8
  55. Puthoff later clarified only the AAWSAP-era attempt was halted, not the legacy program itself
    “Yeah, the legacy program didn't get shut down. I'm just saying- / The attempt to make progress via AAWSAP.”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:34:19.3-00:34:21.7
  56. Eric Davis worked for Puthoff
    “you know, Eric Davis worked for me”
    Episode 73: Science vs. Secrecy 00:33:07.4-00:33:08.5
  57. Puthoff was Davis's boss at the time of the alleged 2002 Wilson meeting
    “probably by the recipient of the memorandum, Dr Hal Puthoff, who was Dr Eric Davis’s boss at the time”
    In Plain Sight ch26:2344-2441 View the source record →
  58. Willard Miller offered to assist Davis and Puthoff with crash-retrieval research
    “I would be willing to assist you and Hal with your ongoing research into UFO crash retrievals and the entities within the government (or outside of it) that are involved in that business, with the following caveats.”
    EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson char:3984-4191
  59. Miller required no association of his name with their work
    “First, there must be absolutely NO mention or association of my name with your work or investigation. I have absolutely nothing to gain from such association at this time, and possibly much to lose.”
    EWD Notes - Eric Davis Meeting with Adm. Wilson char:4201-4394
  60. Puthoff, asked about the Wilson memo in Feb 2020, said it was leaked online and declined further comment
    “Asked about the Admiral Wilson memo at an Arlington Institute address in February 2020, he responded, ‘That is a question about the Wilson documents. They probably got leaked on the internet. *And Wilson was one of the joint chiefs of staff interviewed by my senior scientist colleague Eric Davis*. Since it discusses potentially ongoing programs, I have no comment.’”
    In Plain Sight ch26:10770-11128 View the source record →

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