Majestic 12 (MJ-12)

“It also listed a group of twelve members of a new organization tasked with dealing with the "alien problem." The group, called Majestic or "MJ 12,"”

“within one week of the Truman directive to Bush and James Forrestal to, in fact, set up Majestic 12 and to report directly to him, at the beginning of October 1947, Forrestal then had a meeting with Sir Henry Tizard, who at that time was the chief scientific advisor to the Ministry of Defence.”

“There was a Truman Directive 24th of September 1947 in a document that was leaked in 1980 or so to two filmmakers. And those documents became known as the Majestic 12 documents”

“they established allegedly Majestic 12 as the group responsible for the retrieval of non-human craft.”

“the provenance of which is still, of course, disputed officially by the FBI and the US military.”

“included both Bush and Menzel as founding members”

“At first, debunkers used the presence of Menzel on the list as "proof" the documents were forgeries, since Menzel had been a frequent UFO debunker publicly (having written three books on the subject)”

“long-time UFO researcher (and nuclear physicist) Stanton Friedman went painstakingly through Menzel's papers as part of his research for a book on the MJ 12 documents, and discovered that Menzel had led an elaborate double life”

“Friedman found numerous references to Menzel's participation in a variety of intelligence projects and committees, including some top-secret weapons programs that would have made him an ideal candidate for MJ 12.”

“Friedman also makes a compelling argument for the validity of the MJ 12 documents, and the existence of MJ 12 itself.”

“The MJ-12 document researchers have also identified Von Karman as a possible member of MJ-12—based on his name appearing on certain new documents they have been recently unearthed.”

“You've looked at the typography, the printing, the format, the watermarks, the terminology used, the corroboration from other diaries.”

“the detail of the documents check out with contemporary diaries, which were not released at the time. The meetings that are referred to in the documents are reflected in the diaries of not just the president, but Forrestal, Eisenhower.”

“I've looked at the diaries of the head of the Atomic Energy Commission, and it just does knit together.”

“I really do discount that because ... the detail checks out, they are such a quantity of these documents, many of which don't have any counterintelligence consequence at all. And I'm pretty sure that most of them, not all of them, but most of them are genuine.”

“the documents were conceived by James Jesus Angleton, the notorious head of counterintelligence for the CIA, who on the account that's given by the debunkers, he supposedly created these documents to disinform the Soviets into the belief that the Americans had recovered alien technology.”

“it never washed with me because I can imagine creating, as you say, one document or a couple of documents or a few documents. This is a vast trove of material. And whoever conceived the documents clearly had a knowledge of names, details, events.”

“was it Truman or Eisenhower, one of the documents you talk about, the president was actually at Blair House because the White House was being rebuilt. And I thought that was a very important detail”

“it is extremely unlikely that Forrestal did not tell Sir Henry about Majestic 12, the reason that it had been set up because of the craft that had been found and the biologics that went with it.”

“it's unlikely in the extreme that they didn't brief Tizard on the UFOs issue on Majestic.”

“it clearly is the case that Forrestal impressed on Tizard that this had to be kept under wraps that they should go away and do their own research and that they should limit the documents that they're producing, possibly only for his own personal use.”

“i conclude that a majestic 12 existed and that the documents are real”

“I mean, no doubt whatsoever that they are authentic.”

“I'm yet to be convinced fully that there's not ... the possibility that there might have been deliberate disinformation planted in some of the subsequent MJ-12 documents.”

“But in the context of the discussion that we're having, it's very likely that it's something to do, I would say, with Majestic 12.”

“So a lot of the classic MJ-12 documents came via a gentleman called Tim Cooper, Timothy Cooper, who was a US Marine Corps veteran”

“And you've obtained key new documents that were held by Ryan Wood, who's one of the keepers of the MJ-12 archive.”

“The two documents that are new came about because when I was in Washington about two years ago, I met with Ryan Wood And I asked him whether he felt that Tim Cooper had handed over all the Majestic documents to his father when his father visited him and obtained the original tranche.”

“One of them is the document of the meeting at Blair House on the 14th of July, 1949, which is part of an annex to a Majestic 12 report.”

“Another part of that annex had already been disclosed. That was paragraphs nine, I think onwards. This is paragraphs one to eight, and this page had not been disclosed.”

“And this is the page which talks about Truman wanting to share some of the Majestic material with his allies.”

“It just wasn't handed over. I think it was very much a question of getting what Tim Cooper was prepared to give them. And some of the material was left behind.”

“I have found one or two documents which are not original, don't purport to be original documents of the time, but which are typescript documents which were disclosed amongst the Majestic 12 material, which I do believe were forged.”

“And one of them is a document, I think, involving or headed Truman and Congress. And it purports to be an account of Truman being called to give evidence at Congress in 1963 or 1964, where he's asked about MJ-12 and he is embarrassed and gives various answers.”

“And it's the quantity of these documents, the detail in the documents, which can now be confirmed in many respects,”

“And also there are documents amongst the MJ-12 material which really don't have any particular counterintelligence benefit which are routine exchanges of letters between people with an MJ-12 stamp on and there's no purpose in creating that kind of material and you'd had to have had an army of people really who would have had to have had a vast amount of sources to put this material together the detail is impressive”

“And as I say, it's confirmed by access to a range of public documents that are now available.”

“also amongst those photographs were photographs of a number of people with MJ-12 on the back and these were um scientists many of them paperclip scientists who um we know from other sources um have worked for MJ-12”

“And those are people like John von Neumann, zillard edward teller”

“from other sources we know um that um for example uh dr eric walker has spoken to other uh ufologists many years ago william steinman to confirm um that van neumann actually was working at MJ-12”

“and eric walker confirms he had worked at MJ-12”

“We know also that others have confirmed who were working at that time on these projects that van Neumann was working on MJ-12 projects.”

“And James Lay actually appears in an earlier Majestic 12 document as having been one of the people that was consulted over Roswell and who supported the establishment of MJ-12 as a separate intelligence unit.”

“After group broke up, Miller/Wilson talked (privately) 2 hours on UFOs, MJ-12, Roswell, crashed UFOs/alien bodies, etc.”

“TW: I told I read their program record in the OUSDAT special program records group and wanted to know about their crashed UFO program, what their role in that was, what they had, etc. Also asked if they heard of MJ-12 or some such organization code relating to crashed/recovered UFO craft.”

“Confirmed he called Miller ca. late June '97 and told that he/Miller was right - there is such an organization in existence.”

“Re: Boston Globe Story - L. Kean. Yep, UFO topic - crashed/retrieved UFO craft/bodies, etc. MJ-12 like UFO organization (or cabal).”

“it suggests that there are and this is certainly my understanding that there are senior public servants who are briefed in by the americans but that it's very rare for politicians to be briefed in”

“this is one of the documents which was leaked amongst the Majestic 12 Trove”

“in sending the document and disclosing it as part of the Majestic 12 Trove, he said look this is the last piece of evidence that will tie the CIA into Kennedy's assassination”

“It is chilling because it's an overt expression of intention by members of the alleged MJ-12 to murder the President of the United States.”