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David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee

A 2023 statement in which retired United States Navy Commander David Fravor described the 2004 USS Nimitz UAP encounter and discussed oversight of unidentified aerial phenomena-related government programmes.

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U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26

The David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee is a 2023 account by retired United States Navy Commander David Fravor concerning Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). It is significant for its detailed description of the 2004 USS Nimitz UAP encounter, together with Fravor’s views on government oversight.12

Author and setting

Fravor said that in November 2004 he was the Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41), known as the Black Aces.3 He said that the squadron was attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed aboard the USS Nimitz (CVN-68).4 He described the carrier group as being at the beginning of a workup cycle for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf in support of ground forces in Iraq.5

According to Fravor, the carrier group’s at-sea period was scheduled to run from early November to late December 2004. At the time of the encounter, the group had been at sea for roughly two weeks, and he was scheduled to lead a two-versus-two air-to-air training exercise.6 His flight consisted of two F/A-18F aircraft, designated Blue Air and controlled by the USS Princeton (CG-59).7 Fravor described the F/A-18F as a two-seat aircraft, with the pilot in front and the Weapons System Officer in the rear.8 The Red Air role was flown by Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 232 (VMFA-232).9

Account of the encounter

Fravor said that his flight launched from the Nimitz and checked in with the air controller aboard the Princeton. They were told that the exercise had been suspended for real-world tasking and were directed towards a contact west of their Combat Air Patrol point.10 He placed that point roughly 64 kilometres south of the ship.11 As the flight proceeded west, the controller counted down the range, but the aircraft had no radar contact and did not know what they would encounter.12

Fravor said that the controller had been observing the Tic Tac object on the Aegis Combat System for the previous two weeks.13 He described objects seen on that system as descending from above approximately 24,000 metres to approximately 6,000 metres, remaining there for hours, and then returning directly upwards.14 When Fravor’s flight reached approximately 6,000 metres, the controller called “Merge Plot”, indicating that the aircraft’s radar blip was in the same radar resolution cell as the contact.15

The flight then noticed white water in the ocean. Fravor described the weather as clear, with light winds and calm seas and no whitecaps, which made the white water stand out against the ocean.16 He and the other members of the flight saw a small white Tic Tac object moving abruptly over the white water.17 Fravor said that it had no rotors, rotor wash, or visible flight control surfaces such as wings.18

Fravor’s flight began a clockwise turn to observe the object. He and his Weapons System Officer descended to get closer, while the other aircraft remained in high cover to observe both them and the object.19 After approximately 90 degrees of the descending turn, Fravor said that the object shifted its longitudinal axis to align with his aircraft and began a clockwise climbing turn.20

He placed his aircraft at approximately 4,600 metres and the object at approximately 3,700 metres when he manoeuvred to pull his nose onto it.21 At approximately 0.8 kilometres range, with the object just left of his nose, Fravor said that it rapidly accelerated and disappeared in front of the aircraft.22 His wingman, roughly 2,400 metres above him, also lost visual contact with it.23 When the flight turned to investigate the white water, Fravor said that it too had disappeared.24

As the flight turned back towards its Combat Air Patrol point, roughly 97 kilometres to the east, the controller reported that the object had reappeared on the Princeton’s AN/SPY-1 radar at that point.25 Fravor stated that the object had travelled approximately 97 kilometres in less than a minute.26 He considered its performance far superior to that of his new F/A-18F and said that it did not operate according to known aerodynamic principles expected of objects flying in the atmosphere.27

Video and sensor evidence

After returning to the Nimitz, Fravor said that he mentioned the sighting to one of the crews preparing to launch. He stated that this crew later took the approximately 90-second FLIR1 video, which was released by the United States government in 2017.28

Fravor said that the radar tape, which was not included in the released footage, showed jamming of the AN/APG-73 radar in his aircraft.29 He also stated that the targeting-pod video showed that the object did not emit an infrared plume from a normal propulsion system.30

The statement presents Fravor’s account of the encounter as not having been followed by an official investigation. He said that none of his crew were questioned and that tapes were never taken.31 He further said that Jay Stratton did not contact him until 2009 to investigate what he had observed. Fravor identified Stratton as part of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which he said was led by Luis Elizondo out of the Department of Defense (DoD).32

Later contacts and public discussion

Fravor said that years after the encounter he was contacted by Alex Dietrich, the other pilot in his flight. He said Dietrich asked whether he had been contacted about the incident after 2009, and told him that she had been invited to The Pentagon multiple times to discuss the encounter and view other UAP videos.33

He said that Elizondo later left the Pentagon in protest and joined To The Stars Academy with others. Fravor described the organisation as pressing the UAP issue with leading industry experts and United States government officials.34

According to the statement, the 2017 New York Times UAP articles acknowledged that the United States government was examining UAP.35 Fravor considered that those articles removed the stigma associated with the UFO topic and led to the congressional hearing.36 He also considered that they opened a door for the government and the public that could not be closed.

Oversight

Fravor said that increased interest in UAP had led to a whistleblower-protection provision in a recent National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).37 He expressed concern that elected officials lacked oversight of government activity involving craft believed not to be from this world.38

He distinguished oversight from complete public disclosure, stating that disclosure could undermine national security. Instead, he argued that checks and balances should operate across government work funded by taxpayers.39 Fravor also stated that even unacknowledged waived government programmes had some level of oversight by appropriate committee members in the House and Senate, and considered that work described in whistleblower testimonies should not be exempt from such oversight.

In relation to the Tic Tac object, Fravor considered it superior to anything the United States had at the time, possessed in the present, or was seeking to develop over the following ten or more years.40 He argued that if United States programmes possessed comparable technology, those programmes should be subject to oversight by elected representatives acting in the interests of United States citizens.41

References (41)
  1. David Fravor thanked the committee for inviting him to speak about UAP.
    “I first want to thank you for the invitation to speak to this committee on the UAP topic that has been in the news for the past 6 years and seems to be continuing to gain momentum.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:83-254
  2. David Fravor identified himself as a retired Commander in the United States Navy.
    “My name is David Fravor and I am a retired Commander in the U.S Navy.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:265-329
  3. In November 2004, Fravor was Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41, known as the Black Aces.
    “In Nov 2004, I was the Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron Forty-One, the World Famous Black Aces!”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:335-438
  4. Strike Fighter Squadron 41 was attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed aboard USS Nimitz in 2004.
    “We were attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed onboard the USS Nimitz (CVN-68).”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:444-529
  5. The USS Nimitz carrier group was beginning a workup cycle for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf.
    “We were at the beginning of our workup cycle that would prepare us for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf for operations supporting the ground forces in Iraq.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:534-692
  6. The carrier group had been at sea for roughly two weeks when Fravor was scheduled to lead a two-versus-two air-to-air training exercise.
    “We had been at sea for roughly 2 weeks, and I was scheduled to lead a 2 V 2 Air to Air training exercise.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:929-1025
  7. Fravor's flight of two F/A-18F aircraft was designated Blue Air and controlled by USS Princeton.
    “My flight of 2 F/A-18Fs was the Blue Air, the good guys, and we were being controlled by the USS Princeton, CG-59.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1035-1146
  8. The F/A-18F was described as a two-seat aircraft with a pilot and a Weapons System Officer.
    “Keep in mind the F/A-18F's are 2 seat aircraft with the pilot in the front and the WSO (Weapons System Officer) in the back seat.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1150-1274
  9. Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 232 flew the Red Air role.
    “The Red Air was being flown by our Marine F/A-18 squadron VMFA-232.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1280-1343
  10. The training exercise was suspended for real-world tasking and Fravor's flight was directed towards a contact west of its Combat Air Patrol point.
    “As we launched off the USS Nimitz, we checked in with the air controller on the USS Princeton, we were told that training was going to be suspended for real world tasking. My wingman joined up and we proceeded towards a contact to the west of our CAP (Combat Air Patrol) point.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1349-1620
  11. The Combat Air Patrol point was roughly 64 kilometres south of the ship.
    “The CAP point is where we would hold prior to commencing our training runs, roughly 40 miles South of the ship.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1627-1733
  12. Fravor's flight proceeded west without radar contact and did not know what it would encounter.
    “As we proceeded to the west and as the air controller counted down the range, we had nothing on our radars and were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1740-1901
  13. The air controller had reportedly observed the Tic Tac object on the Aegis Combat System for the previous two weeks.
    “The air controller on the ship also had no idea but had been observing these objects on their Aegis combat system for the previous 2 weeks.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:1910-2043
  14. Objects observed on the Aegis Combat System had descended from approximately 24,000 metres to approximately 6,000 metres, remained there for hours, and returned straight upwards.
    “They had been descending from above 80,000ft and coming rapidly down to 20,000ft would stay for hours and then go straight back up.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2050-2178
  15. At approximately 6,000 metres, the controller called Merge Plot because the aircraft's radar blip occupied the same radar resolution cell as the contact.
    “When we arrived at the location at 20,000 ft, the controller called Merge Plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same radar resolution cell as the contact.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2183-2344
  16. Fravor's flight observed white water in the ocean, in weather described as clear, with light winds and calm seas.
    “As we looked around, we noticed some white water off our right side.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2353-2622
  17. Fravor described seeing a small white Tic Tac object moving abruptly over the white water.
    “As all 4 looked down we saw a small white Tic Tac shaped object with the longitudinal axis pointing N/S and moving very abruptly over the white water.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2629-2773
  18. The object was described as having no rotors, rotor wash, or visible flight control surfaces such as wings.
    “There were no Rotors, No Rotor wash, or any visible flight control surfaces like wings.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2780-2861
  19. During a clockwise turn, Fravor and his Weapons System Officer descended while the other aircraft remained in high cover.
    “As we started a clockwise turn to observe the object, My WSO and I decided to go down to get closer and the other Aircraft stayed in High cover to observe both us and the Tic Tac.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:2868-3043
  20. After roughly 90 degrees of the descending turn, the object aligned its longitudinal axis with Fravor's aircraft and began a clockwise climbing turn.
    “We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent and the object suddenly shifted it longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft and began to climb in a clockwise climbing turn.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3048-3251
  21. Fravor's aircraft was at approximately 4,600 metres and the object at approximately 3,700 metres when he manoeuvred to align with it.
    “Our altitude at this point was approximately 15,000ft with the Tic Tac at about 12,000ft.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3427-3510
  22. At approximately 0.8 kilometres range, the object rapidly accelerated and disappeared in front of the aircraft.
    “As we pulled nose onto the object at approximately 1/2 of a mile with the object just left of our nose, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared right in front of our aircraft.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3517-3682
  23. Fravor's wingman, roughly 2,400 metres above him, also lost visual contact with the object.
    “Our wingman, roughly 8,000ft above us, also lost visual.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3692-3741
  24. The white water had also disappeared when the flight turned to investigate it.
    “We immediately turned to investigate the white water only to find that it was also gone.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3749-3832
  25. The air controller later reported that the object had reappeared on USS Princeton's AN/SPY-1 radar at the Combat Air Patrol point.
    “As we turned back towards our CAP point, roughly 60 miles east, the air controller let us know that the object had reappeared on the Princeton's Aegis SPY 1 radar at our CAP point.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:3838-4012
  26. Fravor stated that the object travelled approximately 97 kilometres in less than a minute.
    “This Tic Tac Object had just traveled 60 miles in a very short period of time (less than a minute)”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4019-4110
  27. Fravor considered the object's performance far superior to that of his new F/A-18F and inconsistent with known aerodynamic principles.
    “was far superior in performance to my brand-new F/A-18F and did not operate with any of the known aerodynamic principles that we expect for objects that fly in our atmosphere.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4119-4283
  28. The crew Fravor briefed after the encounter took the approximately 90-second FLIR1 video released by the United States government in 2017.
    “It was that crew that took the now famous approximately 90 second video that was released by the USG in 2017.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4407-4511
  29. Fravor said the radar tape showed jamming of his aircraft's AN/APG-73 radar.
    “What is not seen is the Radar tape that showed the jamming of the APG-73 radar in the aircraft”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4517-4603
  30. Fravor said the targeting-pod video showed no infrared plume from a normal propulsion system.
    “we do see on the targeting pod video that the object does not emit any IR (infrared) plume from a normal propulsion system that we would expect.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4617-4754
  31. Fravor stated that the encounter was never officially investigated, that none of his crew were questioned, and that tapes were never taken.
    “What is shocking is that the incident was never investigated, none of my crew were ever questioned, tapes were never taken, and after a couple of days, it turned into a great story to tell friends.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4763-4952
  32. Fravor said that Jay Stratton contacted him in 2009 to investigate the encounter and that Stratton was part of AATIP, led by Luis Elizondo out of the Department of Defense.
    “Not until 2009 did Jay Stratton contact me to investigate what we observed.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:4961-5169
  33. Fravor said that Alex Dietrich contacted him years later and that Dietrich had been invited to the Pentagon multiple times to discuss the encounter and view other UAP videos.
    “Years later I was contacted by Alex Dietrich, the other pilot in my flight asking if I had ever been contacted about the incident after 2009.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:5271-5641
  34. Fravor said that Luis Elizondo later left the Pentagon and joined others in forming To The Stars Academy.
    “I was contacted by Mr Elizondo shortly after talking with Alex in 2016. We briefly chatted and I was told that he would be in contact.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:5647-5963
  35. According to the statement, the 2017 New York Times UAP articles acknowledged that the United States government was examining UAP.
    “to publish the articles in the NYT in Dec 2017 admitting the USG was looking at UAPs”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:6130-6210
  36. Fravor attributed the removal of stigma around the UFO topic and subsequent congressional hearing to the 2017 New York Times articles.
    “and removed the Stigma of the UFO topic which led to us being here today.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:6215-6282
  37. Fravor said that increased UAP interest had led to a whistleblower-protection provision in a recent NDAA.
    “It has also led to the Whistleblower protection act in the recent NDAA which brings us too today.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:6612-6703
  38. Fravor expressed concern about a lack of elected-official oversight of alleged government work involving craft believed not to be from this world.
    “What concerns me is that there is no "Oversight" from our elected officials on anything associated with our government possessing or working on craft that we believe are not from this world.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:6856-7040
  39. Fravor distinguished oversight from complete public disclosure and called for checks and balances over taxpayer-funded government work.
    “This issue is not about full public disclosure that could undermine national security, but it is about ensuring that our system of checks and balances works across all work done in our government using taxpayer funds.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:7047-7258
  40. Fravor considered the Tic Tac object superior to United States capabilities at the time, in the present, and over the next ten or more years.
    “the Tic Tac Object that we engaged in Nov 2004 was far superior to anything that we had at the time, have today, or are looking to develop in the next 10+ years.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:7558-7713
  41. Fravor argued that any United States programmes possessing comparable technology should be subject to oversight by elected representatives.
    “If we in fact have programs that possess this technology, it needs to have oversight from those people that the citizens of this great country elected to office to represent what is best for the United States and in the best interest of its citizens.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee char:7720-7961

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