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David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee

Written statement submitted by retired US Navy Commander David Fravor to the House Oversight Committee in 2023, describing his 2004 visual encounter with an unidentified aerial object and calling for congressional oversight of UAP-related government programmes.

Pdf · U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023

The David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee is a written statement submitted in 2023 by David Fravor to the House Oversight Committee as part of the 2023 Fravor House Oversight Committee UAP Testimony. Fravor identified himself as a retired Commander in the US Navy1 who, in November 2004, had served as Commanding Officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41 (VFA-41), attached to Carrier Air Wing 11 and stationed aboard USS Nimitz.2 He submitted the statement as a first-hand account of the 2004-11-14 Nimitz UAP Intercept and to urge congressional oversight of any related government programmes. At the time of the encounter, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was at the beginning of a workup cycle for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf in support of ground forces in Iraq.3

The statement describes the circumstances on 2004-11-14 in which Fravor’s flight of two F/A-18F (aircraft) — callsign “Blue Air”, controlled by USS Princeton — launched for a routine two-versus-two air-to-air training exercise against adversary aircraft flown by Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 232 (VMFA-232).4, 5 Shortly after launch, the Princeton controller suspended training for real-world tasking and directed the flight toward a Combat Air Patrol (CAP) point approximately 64 kilometres south of Nimitz.6, 7 Fravor recounted that the Princeton controller had, per the controller’s account, been tracking Anomalous Aerial Vehicle (AAV) contacts on the Aegis combat system for the previous two weeks, with the objects descending from above approximately 24,000 metres to approximately 6,000 metres, staying for hours, and then returning upward.8, 9 On approach, Fravor’s flight had nothing on their own aircraft radars and were unaware of what they were about to see.

Upon arriving at approximately 6,000 metres, the Princeton controller called “Merge Plot”, and Fravor reported that all four aircrew observed a Water Disturbance — white water — against otherwise calm seas under clear skies.10, 11 Below the disturbance they saw a small white Tic Tac-shaped object with its longitudinal axis oriented north-south, moving abruptly over the water.12 The object had no rotors, no rotor wash, and no visible flight control surfaces such as wings.13 Fravor descended toward the AAV while a second F/A-18F maintained high cover.14 After completing approximately 90 degrees of a clockwise descent, the object shifted its longitudinal axis to align with Fravor’s aircraft and began climbing in a clockwise turn.15 When Fravor pulled his nose onto the object at approximately 460 metres, with it just left of his nose, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared from view.16 At that moment Fravor was at approximately 4,600 metres and the AAV was at approximately 3,700 metres;17 the wingman aircraft, approximately 2,400 metres above Fravor, also lost visual contact simultaneously.18 When Fravor turned back to investigate, the water disturbance was gone as well.19 The Princeton controller subsequently reported via the AN/SPY-1 Aegis radar that the object had reappeared at the CAP point approximately 97 kilometres to the east.20 Fravor assessed that the AAV had covered that distance in less than one minute21 and that it performed far beyond his F/A-18F and outside any known aerodynamic principles applicable to objects flying in Earth’s atmosphere.22

The statement also addresses supporting sensor evidence. After returning to Nimitz, Fravor mentioned the encounter to a crew preparing to launch; that crew subsequently captured the approximately 90-second forward-looking infrared (FLIR) video — later released by the US Government in 2017 and known as the Navy F/A-18F Nimitz Encounter Video — of the AAV.23 The targeting pod video showed the AAV emitted no infrared plume consistent with a normal propulsion system.24 A radar tape from the encounter, which showed jamming of the APG-73 Radar in Fravor’s aircraft, was not included in the footage released by the government.25 Fravor noted that the ATFLIR Pod was the targeting system involved in capturing the imagery.

Regarding the aftermath of the 2004 incident, Fravor stated that the event was never officially investigated, none of his crew were questioned, and no tapes were collected.26 It was not until 2009 that Jay Stratton contacted Fravor to investigate what his crew had witnessed; Fravor described Stratton as part of an anomalous threat identification programme led by Luis Elizondo out of the Department of Defense.27, 28 Years later, fellow pilot Alex Dietrich contacted Fravor asking whether he had been contacted about the incident following 2009, and told him she had been invited to the Pentagon multiple times to discuss the event and to view other UAP videos.29, 30 Elizondo contacted Fravor shortly after that conversation in 2016.31 Fravor then described how, in the weeks following that contact, Elizondo left the Pentagon and joined Tom DeLonge, Christopher K. Mellon, Steve Justice, and others to form To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science,32 which worked with journalists Leslie Kean, Ralph Blumenthal, and Helene Cooper to publish the 2017 NYT Pentagon UAP Article in The New York Times in December 2017.33

The final section of the statement addresses the policy context of the 2023 hearing. Fravor attributed the hearing directly to UAP Whistleblower Protection Legislation contained in the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act.34 He noted that multiple witnesses were coming forward with claimed first-hand knowledge of non-human craft, and stated he expected David Grusch had or would discuss this at the same hearing.35 Fravor expressed concern that there was no congressional oversight of any US Government programmes possessing or working on craft believed to be of non-human origin,36 and argued that even Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program activities carry some level of oversight from appropriate committee members — and that any work related to UAP Reverse Engineering Legacy Programs should not be exempt.37 He concluded that the AAV he encountered in November 2004 was far superior to anything the US had at the time, has today, or is looking to develop in the next ten or more years,38 and that if the US Government holds such technology, elected officials representing the public must have oversight of those programmes.39

  1. Fravor identified himself as a retired US Navy Commander and, in November 2004, Commanding Officer of VFA-41
    “My name is David Fravor and I am a retired Commander in the U.S Navy.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 2
  2. VFA-41 was attached to Carrier Air Wing 11 and stationed aboard USS Nimitz in November 2004
    “We were attached to Carrier Airwing Eleven and stationed onboard the USS Nimitz (CVN-68).”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 2
  3. The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was at the beginning of a workup cycle for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf
    “We were at the beginning of our workup cycle that would prepare us for a combat deployment to the Persian Gulf for operations supporting the ground forces in Iraq.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 2
  4. Fravor's flight of two F/A-18Fs (callsign 'Blue Air') was controlled by USS Princeton during the exercise
    “My flight of 2 F/A-18Fs was the Blue Air, the good guys, and we were being controlled by the USS Princeton, CG-59.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 3
  5. The adversary aircraft were flown by VMFA-232 in F/A-18s
    “The Red Air was being flown by our Marine F/A-18 squadron VMFA-232.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 3
  6. After launch, training was suspended for real-world tasking by the Princeton controller
    “As we launched off the USS Nimitz, we checked in with the air controller on the USS Princeton, we were told that training was going to be suspended for real world tasking.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 4
  7. The CAP point was approximately 64 kilometres south of USS Nimitz
    “The CAP point is where we would hold prior to commencing our training runs, roughly 40 miles South of the ship.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 4
  8. The Princeton's Aegis system had been tracking AAV objects for the previous two weeks
    “The air controller on the ship also had no idea but had been observing these objects on their Aegis combat system for the previous 2 weeks.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 4
  9. The AAV objects descended from above approximately 24,000 metres to approximately 6,000 metres, stayed for hours, then returned upward
    “They had been descending from above 80,000ft and coming rapidly down to 20,000ft would stay for hours and then go straight back up.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 4
  10. Fravor's flight arrived at the AAV location at approximately 6,000 metres altitude; the controller called 'Merge Plot'
    “When we arrived at the location at 20,000 ft, the controller called Merge Plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same radar resolution cell as the contact.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  11. Weather was clear skies, light winds, and calm seas with no whitecaps
    “The weather on the day of the incident was as close to a perfect day as you could ask, clear skies, light winds, calm seas (no whitecaps from the waves)”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  12. All four aircrew observed a white water disturbance against the otherwise calm blue ocean
    “we noticed some white water off our right side... so the white water stood out in the large blue ocean.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  13. All four aircrew saw a small white Tic Tac-shaped object with its longitudinal axis pointing north-south, moving abruptly over the water disturbance
    “As all 4 looked down we saw a small white Tic Tac shaped object with the longitudinal axis pointing N/S and moving very abruptly over the white water.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  14. The AAV had no rotors, no rotor wash, and no visible flight control surfaces such as wings
    “There were no Rotors, No Rotor wash, or any visible flight control surfaces like wings.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  15. Fravor descended toward the AAV while the second F/A-18F maintained high cover
    “My WSO and I decided to go down to get closer and the other Aircraft stayed in High cover to observe both us and the Tic Tac.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  16. After approximately 90 degrees of a clockwise turn, the AAV shifted its axis, aligned with Fravor's aircraft, and began climbing
    “We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent and the object suddenly shifted it longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft and began to climb in a clockwise climbing turn.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1, paragraph 5
  17. At approximately 460 metres with the object just left of his nose, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared
    “As we pulled nose onto the object at approximately 1/2 of a mile with the object just left of our nose, it rapidly accelerated and disappeared right in front of our aircraft.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 1-2
  18. At the moment of disappearance, Fravor was at approximately 4,600 metres and the AAV was at approximately 3,700 metres
    “Our altitude at this point was approximately 15,000ft with the Tic Tac at about 12,000ft.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 1
  19. The wingman aircraft, approximately 2,400 metres above Fravor, also lost visual contact when the AAV accelerated
    “Our wingman, roughly 8,000ft above us, also lost visual.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 1
  20. When Fravor turned back to investigate the water disturbance, it was also gone
    “We immediately turned to investigate the white water only to find that it was also gone.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 1
  21. The Princeton controller reported the AAV had reappeared on the AN/SPY-1 radar at the CAP point, approximately 97 kilometres to the east
    “the air controller let us know that the object had reappeared on the Princeton's Aegis SPY 1 radar at our CAP point. This Tic Tac Object had just traveled 60 miles in a very short period of time”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 1
  22. Fravor assessed the AAV travelled approximately 97 kilometres in less than one minute
    “This Tic Tac Object had just traveled 60 miles in a very short period of time (less than a minute)”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 1
  23. Fravor assessed the AAV as far superior in performance to his F/A-18F and not operating under known aerodynamic principles
    “was far superior in performance to my brand-new F/A-18F and did not operate with any of the known aerodynamic principles that we expect for objects that fly in our atmosphere.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 1
  24. After returning to Nimitz, Fravor mentioned the encounter to a crew that subsequently took the approximately 90-second FLIR video released in 2017
    “We returned to Nimitz and mentioned what we had witnessed to one of my crews who were getting ready to launch. It was that crew that took the now famous approximately 90 second video that was released by the USG in 2017.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 2
  25. The radar tape showed jamming of the AN/APG-73 radar but was not part of the released video
    “What is not seen is the Radar tape that showed the jamming of the APG-73 radar in the aircraft”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 2
  26. The targeting pod video showed the AAV emitted no infrared plume from a normal propulsion system
    “we do see on the targeting pod video that the object does not emit any IR (infrared) plume from a normal propulsion system that we would expect.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 2
  27. The incident was never officially investigated, no crew were questioned, and tapes were never taken
    “What is shocking is that the incident was never investigated, none of my crew were ever questioned, tapes were never taken”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 3
  28. Not until 2009 did Jay Stratton contact Fravor to investigate what his crew had observed
    “Not until 2009 did Jay Stratton contact me to investigate what we observed.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 3
  29. Fravor stated Stratton was part of an anomalous threat identification programme led by Luis Elizondo out of the DOD
    “Unbeknownst to all of us, Jay was part of the ATIP (Anomalous Threat Identification Program) program led by Lue Elizondo out of the DOD.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 3
  30. Alex Dietrich contacted Fravor years later asking whether he had been contacted about the incident after 2009
    “Years later I was contacted by Alex Dietrich, the other pilot in my flight asking if I had ever been contacted about the incident after 2009.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 4
  31. Dietrich told Fravor she had been invited to the Pentagon multiple times to discuss the event and view other UAP videos
    “Alex stated that she had been invited to the Pentagon multiple times to discuss the event and view other videos of UAPs.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 4
  32. Luis Elizondo contacted Fravor shortly after Fravor spoke with Dietrich in 2016
    “I was contacted by Mr Elizondo shortly after talking with Alex in 2016. We briefly chatted and I was told that he would be in contact.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 4
  33. Elizondo subsequently left the Pentagon and joined DeLonge, Mellon, Justice, and others to form To the Stars Academy
    “In the weeks that passed I was made aware that Lue had left the pentagon in protest and joined forces with Tom Delonge, Chris Mellon, Steve Justice and others to form To The Stars Academy.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 5
  34. To the Stars Academy worked with Kean, Blumenthal, and Cooper to publish articles in The New York Times in December 2017
    “worked with Leslie Keane, Ralph Blumenthal and Helene Cooper to publish the articles in the NYT in Dec 2017 admitting the USG was looking at UAPs and removed the Stigma of the UFO topic”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 2, paragraph 5
  35. Fravor stated UAP whistleblower protection provisions in the recent NDAA led to the House Oversight Committee hearing
    “It has also led to the Whistleblower protection act in the recent NDAA which brings us too today.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 3, paragraph 1
  36. Fravor stated multiple witnesses are coming forward with claimed first-hand knowledge of non-human craft
    “There are multiple witnesses coming forward that say that they have first-hand knowledge, that I'm sure Mr Grusch will or already has discussed.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 3, paragraph 2
  37. Fravor expressed concern about a lack of congressional oversight over any USG programmes possessing or working on such craft
    “What concerns me is that there is no 'Oversight' from our elected officials on anything associated with our government possessing or working on craft that we believe are not from this world.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 3, paragraph 2
  38. Fravor stated the AAV was far superior to anything the US had at the time, has today, or is looking to develop in the next ten or more years
    “the Tic Tac Object that we engaged in Nov 2004 was far superior to anything that we had at the time, have today, or are looking to develop in the next 10+ years.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 3, paragraph 3
  39. Fravor stated that if the USG possesses AAV technology, those programmes need oversight from elected officials
    “If we in fact have programs that possess this technology, it needs to have oversight from those people that the citizens of this great country elected to office to represent what is best for the United States and in the best interest of its citizens.”
    David Fravor Statement for the House Oversight Committee page 3, paragraph 3
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