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Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92

A 2026-06-12 DEBRIEFED podcast episode in which researcher Michael Horn and host Chris Ramsay discuss the Billy Meier UFO contact case, its photographic evidence, and its prophecies.

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“Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies” is episode 92 of the podcast DEBRIEFED (podcast), recorded on 2026-06-12, in which host Chris Ramsay interviews researcher Michael Horn about the Billy Meier Billy Meier UFO contact case. Horn says that Meier claims to have been tutored from around age five to sixteen by a being named Sfath, said at the time to be about 900 years old.1 Horn describes Meier as an 89-year-old man who has met since childhood with beings said to originate from another star system,2 and says Meier is claimed to have taken approximately 1,200 authenticated UFO photographs.3 Ramsay characterises Meier alongside Bob Lazar as one of the two most contentious names in ufology,4 and says there are over a thousand Billy Meier contact reports.5 He also notes that the “I Want to Believe” poster from The X-Files (TV series) is a cropped version of a Meier photograph.6

Much of the discussion concerns the photographic and physical evidence in the case. Ramsay says Lazar identified the Billy Meier beam ship (sports model craft) as a one-for-one match to craft he was familiar with,7 though he adds that he and Lazar both regard the later Meier material as questionable.8 Ramsay says the iconic craft photograph was taken in Switzerland around 1975.9 Discussing the Wedding cake UFO photographs, Ramsay says he identified forced-perspective inconsistencies in them,10 and that sceptics have said the nighttime images were made using a model painted gold and photographed against a black curtain.11 Ramsay separately concluded that one close-up nighttime wedding cake car photograph, being out of focus and depicting an object the size of a toy car, was a hoax.12 Horn describes counter-tests: investigators including Wendell Stevens had a model craft built at the Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) studios and photographed under the same conditions Meier used,13 with computer analysis of the resulting images showing no energy fields around the model object.14 Horn says Marcel Vogel, an IBM scientist, said he could not replicate the Billy Meier metal samples with any technology available to him and described them as a cold fusion product,15 having detected fine laser cuttings and an unusual elemental composition under high magnification.16 Horn also says Gordon Cooper examined the photographs and judged them genuine.17 Horn recounts that in 1964, while Meier was in India, he was interviewed by a newspaper that photographed an album of 80 UFO photographs,18 taken with an early Kodak box camera.19 He names Asket as Meier’s second alleged contact person,20 and says he personally spoke to 14 eyewitnesses and saw bullet holes and investigative reports connected to the case.21 Horn separately says a retired United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) and Department of Defense investigator questioned him over roughly five to six months22 before concluding the case was “100% ironclad authentic."23

A substantial portion of the episode covers claimed prophecies attributed to Meier’s contacts. Horn says that as early as 1953, Asket told Meier that John Fitzgerald Kennedy would be assassinated in Dallas, Texas.24 In 1987 Meier is said to have received the Henoch Prophecies, containing about 300 specific predictions,25 which Horn says describe the destruction of the World Trade Center;26 he separately says that in 1989 Meier was told terrorists would fly aeroplanes into the World Trade Center and kill about 3,000 people.27 Horn says the 1987 Henoch document mentions Russian troops moving to Arkhangelsk Russia ahead of attacks on Scandinavia,28 and connects this to Norway, Sweden and Finland later joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)29 and to Russia establishing military bases in Arkhangelsk in 2011.30 In the 1982 Swiss radio interview, Horn says Meier described a third world war as a certainty,31 involving the United Kingdom, Russia, Iran, Israel, Iraq and the Falkland Islands.32 Horn also says that as early as 1946 and 1948, Meier’s teacher described a future incompetent, self-aggrandising US dictator figure.33 On the Discovery of the Talmud of Jmmanuel scrolls, Horn says that around 1963-1964 Meier and Isa Rashid dug up scrolls at a tomb near Jerusalem Israel,34 and that Isa Rashid and his family were later machine-gunned to death in Baghdad Iraq around 1974, reportedly by the Israeli Secret Service (Mossad).35 Per the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ), Horn says the man crucified and known as Jesus Christ was in fact named Jmmanuel,36 who is said to have foretold that a prophet named Muhammad would arise in 500 years.37 Horn places Meier as the seventh and final figure in a prophetic lineage including Enoch, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jmmanuel and Muhammad.38

The conversation also addresses the Billy Meier and Asket Giza pyramid visit, in which Horn says Meier and Asket entered an underground chamber beneath the Egypt, Giza, Great Pyramid of Giza.39 There, Horn says Meier saw relics associated with the crucifixion that Asket said had been fabricated by the Giza Intelligences (Befath).40 Horn describes the Giza Intelligences as a splinter group sharing origins with the Pleiaren, tracing back to the constellation Lyra,41 and says the group held influence over around 745 political and religious leaders.42 He recounts the Befath sonic attack on Billy Meier’s centre in the Zurich Highlands Switzerland, which he dates to around 1975-1978,43 and says the attack was met by the Pleiaren eliminating the Befath ship and removing the group from beneath the pyramid.44 Horn attributes to Meier an account of losing his arm and having his teeth smashed, followed by 30 days of delirium after amputation without anaesthetic.45 He also says Meier declined a Pleiaren offer to regrow the arm, citing a risk of military kidnapping and dissection.46

Later in the episode, Horn discusses the creation energy teaching (Geisteslehre), under which, he says, there are no deities and no religion is founded on a true creator god.47 He attributes to Meier the view that the meaning of life is the evolution of consciousness,48 and describes the teaching’s position on reincarnation as holding that it is real but that no person retains memory of past lives.49 The pair also discuss remote viewing and Ed Dames: Horn says he helped create Dames’s first remote viewing home study course over more than a year,50 but that he personally saw nothing accurate from Dames’s remote viewing over roughly a year working with him.51 Ramsay notes that Dames died shortly before this episode was recorded.52 Finally, Horn connects a 1976 Meier prophecy describing seven-foot-tall giants emerging from hiding in Peru53 to the 2023 Peru seven-foot giants reports, in which such figures were reported abducting and harming people in around August 2023,54 saying the event’s location and the described size of the figures matched the prophecy roughly 47 years after it was published.55 Horn closes by saying he does not “believe” in Meier or UFOs, characterising his position instead as based on his own direct experience.56

  1. Meier claims contact with Sfath, then about 900 years old, from around age five until 16
    “until he was about the age of 16, he claims to have been tutored by this man named Sfath, S-F-A-T-H, who was at that time supposedly around 900 years of age.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:00:18.5-00:00:34.6
  2. Horn says Meier is claimed to have taken roughly 1,200 authenticated UFO photographs
    “if this man has indeed taken 1,200 or so UFO photos... And they've been authenticated.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:00:47.9-00:01:00.7
  3. Ramsay says Bob Lazar and Billy Meier are two of the most contentious names in ufology
    “there are a few names that you can drop and instantly, you know, people will start feuding. And two of those names are Bob Lazar and Billy Meier.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:03:15.9-00:03:27.8
  4. Ramsay says Lazar identified the Meier sports-model beam ship as a one-for-one match to craft he knew
    “Bob Lazar pointed out, obviously, the sports model or the beam ship, as it's aptly named, that that was a one for one match. That was pretty identical. And Bob was kind of blown away.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:03:39.0-00:03:53.9
  5. Ramsay says he and Lazar both regard the later Meier material as questionable
    “Bob and myself both agree, like the later stuff is a little questionable.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:03:53.9-00:03:59.6
  6. Ramsay says there are over a thousand Meier contact reports
    “there are a lot of contact cases over a thousand oh the reports the reports right”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:04:03.4-00:04:19.1
  7. Ramsay says the 'I Want to Believe' poster is a cropped Meier photograph
    “The most famous Billy Meier reference would definitely be that, you know, poster that appears in pretty much every X-Files episode, the I Want to Believe, the cropped version of a Billy Meier photo.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:05:37.4-00:05:52.6
  8. Horn describes Meier, 89, as claiming contact with beings from another star system since age five
    “Billy Meier is a now 89-year-old man who claims that since the age of five he has been meeting with human beings from another star system, that they have tutored him from that age”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:06:00.4-00:06:29.8
  9. Horn has made about 22 trips to Switzerland to meet Meier
    “after about 22 trips that I've gone to Switzerland, taken to Switzerland, and met with him each time, spent some time, sometimes it's a half hour, sometimes it's an hour and a half”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:06:49.2-00:07:20.0
  10. Horn says threats and attempts on Meier's life now total 28
    “Some of that reason is threats and attempts on his life that have totaled 28 by now.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:07:55.5-00:08:02.6
  11. Ramsay says Meier is one-armed but very capable
    “because he is one-handed he's one arm he has one arm”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:32:14.4-00:32:17.4
  12. Ramsay says the initial iconic Meier craft photo was taken in Switzerland around 1975
    “this initial craft, the one in 1975, I believe, uh, that was taken in Switzerland”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:17:05.4-00:17:21.9
  13. Ramsay assessed forced-perspective inconsistencies in the wedding cake UFO photographs
    “some uh imperfections or inconsistencies with reality when taking photos from objects and mainly due to my background in illusion uh there's a forced perspective that simply doesn't work for me”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:19:31.5-00:20:21.3
  14. Skeptics said the nighttime wedding cake photographs used a gold-painted model against a black curtain
    “Skeptics have said, now they've used a model and painted it gold, and they photographed it against the black curtain.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:23:09.2-00:23:17.5
  15. Ramsay concluded a close-up nighttime wedding cake car photo depicted a toy-sized object and was a hoax
    “the only way that that can be is if this object was very small. size of a toy car say ... i'm pretty convinced that that was not a genuine like this was this was hoax this photo particularly”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:35:46.4-00:36:46.2
  16. Horn was interrogated over roughly five to six months by a retired AFOSI/DOD investigator
    “this was a retired United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation, Department of Defense case supervisor and investigator ... I only knew his name was Joe at this point”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:37:35.8-00:38:25.9
  17. The investigator concluded the case was 100% ironclad authentic
    “He said, your Billy Meier case is 100% ironclad authentic, and I will take on any skeptics in your behalf.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:38:41.0-00:38:54.9
  18. Horn says Meier is claimed to have taken about 1,200 photographs, eight surviving films and a video
    “if this man has indeed taken 1,200 or so UFO photos, eight films that remain, a video”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:40:07.9-00:40:20.7
  19. Horn says astronaut Gordon Cooper examined the photographs and judged them real
    “visually by, you know, former, the late astronaut Gordon Cooper. The investigators came to my home with these. I know them. We looked at, it's real. This man is meeting with extra.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:40:20.7-00:40:38.6
  20. Marcel Vogel, an IBM scientist, said he could not replicate the metal samples with available technology, calling them a cold fusion product
    “he does a video and he says basically with any technology available to me i cannot make this this is made in a cold cold fusion outer space something”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:43:53.4-00:44:06.0
  21. Vogel detected fine laser cuttings and unusual elemental composition in the metal samples at high magnification
    “when marcel vogel was blowing these things up hundreds of you know magnifications he could detect laser cuttings ... These are discrete relationships of these elements. They're not just blended in as if they were heated in an oven.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:44:19.7-00:44:47.0
  22. Investigators including Wendell Stevens tested a model craft made at MGM studios against Meier's photographs
    “when the investigators wendell stevens and others were trying to also figure out if Billy was hoaxing these photos they wendell had a model made at the mgm studios in hollywood of one of the craft”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:06:31.0-01:06:53.0
  23. Computer analysis showed the dangled model photographs had no energy fields around the object
    “every photograph the computer would look at and... this is a model. There's no question. There's no energy fields around it”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:07:20.6-01:07:41.6
  24. In 1964 Meier was interviewed in an Indian newspaper showing an album of 80 UFO photographs
    “Because Billy was interviewed in a prominent newspaper in India, and the journalist who interviewed him is looking through an album with 80 UFO photos in 1964.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:50:40.6-00:50:53.5
  25. Meier took the 1964 India photographs with an early Kodak box camera
    “these are primitive, taken with an old Kodak... This is 40s technology. And Billy was taking his photographs at that time in 1964 with this early version of a Kodak.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:51:18.4-00:51:54.9
  26. Asket was Meier's second alleged contact person
    “I used to see Billy meeting with this woman, Asket. This was his second alleged contact person.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:52:59.9-00:53:08.7
  27. Horn talked to 14 eyewitnesses in the case and saw bullet holes and investigative reports
    “all of that has been documented, and I've talked to 14 eyewitnesses and seen bullet holes and lead investigative reports.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:53:54.1-00:54:01.0
  28. As early as 1953 Asket told Meier that John Fitzgerald Kennedy would be assassinated in Dallas, Texas
    “As early as 1953, She tells him about the assassination in America of two brothers who will be running for president. The date that it will happen, John Fitzgerald Kennedy will be killed in Dallas, Texas on this day.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:18:23.1-01:18:44.3
  29. In 1987 Meier was given the Henoch Prophecies, containing about 300 specific predictions
    “In 1987, Billy is given something called the Henoch prophecies... It's like 300, I think, specific things.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:19:16.5-01:20:05.1
  30. The Henoch Prophecies describe the destruction of the World Trade Center, which occurred in 2001
    “it's in German, supposedly in 87, but the first English is in 2002, I think. And it talks about the destruction of the World Trade Center, but that happened in 2001.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:19:39.9-01:19:53.0
  31. In 1989 Meier was told terrorists would fly airplanes into the World Trade Center, killing about 3,000 people
    “1989, he's also told again, terrorists will fly airplanes into these buildings. There's a conversation with Quetzal, one of the other ETs... yes, there will be 3,000 people or so that will be killed.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:20:46.6-01:20:58.9
  32. The 1987 Henoch document mentions Russian troops moving to Arkhangelsk ahead of attacks on Scandinavia
    “the Russians moving their troops to Arkhangelsk in northern Russia-Siberia in preparation for their attacks against Scandinavia.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:20:59.5-01:21:18.6
  33. Norway, Sweden and Finland joining NATO brought the alliance to Russia's borders
    “Norway, Sweden, Finland, all joined NATO, inviting NATO to these borders and coming in.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:22:04.8-01:22:16.0
  34. In 2011 Russia moved and created military bases in Arkhangelsk
    “in 2011, Russia moved and created bases in Arkhangelsk, military bases in Arkhangelsk.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:22:27.9-01:22:42.1
  35. Asket and Meier visited an underground chamber beneath the Great Pyramid of Giza
    “she picks him up and uh they go to egypt they leave the ship and They go to the pyramids and somehow she knows where this entrance is that goes, you can walk way deep down.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:27:24.4-01:27:42.0
  36. In the chamber Meier saw crucifixion-associated relics that Asket said were fabricated by the Befath
    “oh my gosh, that's the cross of the crucifixion. And there's the spear of destiny, the crown of thorns, the bloody nails... And she says, no, they are not. They were made by these people. But if your scientists on earth would test them, they would carbon date to that period of time.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:29:05.1-01:29:39.9
  37. The Giza Intelligences are described as a splinter group from the same source as the Pleiaren, originating in Lyra
    “This is a splinter group that actually diverged from the source group that the Pleiaran people came from, which was originally in the constellation of Lyra”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:13:59.2-01:14:14.4
  38. The Befath had around 745 political and religious leaders under their influence
    “they had 745 or so important political and religious leaders under various influence”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:15:43.9-01:15:57.2
  39. The Befath sent a robotically controlled ship in a sonic attack toward Meier's centre around 1975-1978
    “Billy's learning all this stuff in 53. Now we're about 78 or 75, whatever it is, when they're having this event in Switzerland, the cannons are going off, and the Befath had put a ship in motion towards the center, the farmhouse at Billy renovated, where everybody lives and works from.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:32:00.1-01:32:29.6
  40. The Pleiaren eliminated the Befath ship and removed the group from beneath the pyramid
    “the blast from that goes down... hits the ground now technically at this point the play aren have been attacked... they get a hold of that ship, they eliminate it, it was robotically controlled... they remove this whole host of people from underneath, and they close in and basically leave no trace of their... headquarters.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:33:01.7-01:33:51.2
  41. Meier had his arm ripped off and his teeth smashed, and was delirious for 30 days after amputation without anaesthetic
    “You have your arm ripped off your body and all of your teeth smashed at the same time, and you're delirious for 30 days because they amputate what remains of your arm without anesthetic.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 00:00:06.4-00:00:18.5
  42. Meier declined a Pleiaren offer of a replacement arm, citing risk of military kidnapping and dissection
    “they offered to give him a fake arm. No, thank you. I'm an earth person. ... if suddenly I appear with a left arm, how long is it going to take for some military to kidnap my butt and start taking me apart?”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:36:41.9-02:37:02.1
  43. In the 1982 Swiss radio interview Meier said a third world war was a certainty
    “he is asked, well, about a third word rolling bill, he says, yes, that is going to happen. It cannot be avoided. It's certainty. It's a prediction.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:45:55.4-01:46:12.4
  44. The interview described conflict involving the United Kingdom, Russia, Iran, Israel, Iraq and the Falklands
    “it's going to be the big attacks, the conflict between the UK and Russia. And other countries involved will be. Iran, Israel, Iraq, and the Falklands, the Falklands, 1982.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:46:26.6-01:46:52.5
  45. As early as 1946 and 1948 Meier's teacher described a future incompetent, self-important US dictator figure
    “as early as 46, 48. His teacher, and he's written this all down and there's numbers, is talking about how a megalomaniacal Hitler-like dictator will arise in the U.S. who will be just full of himself, an incompetent leader who will cause great trouble in the world.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 01:49:25.1-01:49:48.3
  46. Around 1963-1964 Meier and Isa Rashid dug up scrolls at an ancient tomb near Jerusalem
    “Well, Billy Meier, along with a Greek Orthodox priest, I think it's about 63, 64, right in there, telepathically, our lid story goes, the outskirts of Jerusalem, there's a hillside ... at the base of it, there's a hole in there. ... The man that he is with is named or called Isa Rashid.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:03:07.4-02:03:55.5
  47. Isa Rashid and his family were machine-gunned to death in Baghdad around 1974, ostensibly by Mossad
    “a few years later, I think it's around 1974, he learns that Issa Rashid and his family have been machine gunned to death in Baghdad, ostensibly by the Mossad.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:05:56.0-02:06:13.1
  48. The real man crucified and falsely named Jesus Christ was, per the material, named Jmmanuel
    “Emmanuel, was crucified, that's the name of the man according to the Meier material, the real man who was falsely named Jesus Christ.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:02:37.6-02:02:47.8
  49. In the Talmud of Jmmanuel, Jmmanuel foretold that a prophet named Muhammad would come in 500 years
    “he says in 500 years comes another true prophet who like me will carry the same teaching ... Unless your distant descendants and the distant descendants of this prophet, whose name will be Muhammad, can come to a just and conciliatory peace with each other, it will be a bloody time and few will survive.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:09:19.1-02:09:53.5
  50. Meier is described as the seventh and final prophet in a lineage including Enoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jmmanuel and Muhammad
    “Well, you've got Enoch or Henoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Emmanuel. We'll get back there. Muhammad and Billy.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:01:48.8-02:02:01.3
  51. The creation energy teaching holds there are no deities and no religion is founded on a true creator deity
    “There's no deities, none of the religions are founded on a true deity that created everything.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:11:44.7-02:11:52.6
  52. Meier said the meaning of life is the evolution of consciousness
    “Billy has said, the meaning of life is the evolution of consciousness”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:14:24.8-02:14:55.6
  53. In the teaching, reincarnation is real but a person never remembers past lives
    “there's such a thing as reincarnation, but it's not what we think. We're never the same person. We don't remember past lives.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:30:31.7-02:30:40.2
  54. Horn helped create Ed Dames's first remote viewing home study course over more than a year
    “I helped create his first technical remote viewing home study course. ... I worked with him over a period of a bit more than a year.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:19:23.0-02:19:31.7
  55. Horn spent about a year with Dames and saw nothing accurate from his remote viewing
    “I was hanging out with him for about a year. ... And it was like I didn't see anything accurate from him.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:23:26.2-02:23:53.0
  56. Ramsay noted Ed Dames died shortly before this episode was recorded
    “Sadly, Ed has passed away recently.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:21:29.9-02:21:32.9
  57. A 1976 Meier prophecy foretold seven-foot-tall giants emerging from hiding in Peru
    “1976 it's in books and everything else ... this is the petali level ... they spoke about the time that will come in Peru when the seven-foot-tall giants will emerge from their centuries-long hiding places underground to molest the people there.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:38:01.5-02:38:54.0
  58. Horn says the reported 2023 Peru giants event matched the location and size details of the prophecy roughly 47 years later
    “that verifiably 47 years or whatever it is after that was published, that event occurred right down to where and the size of the people.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:39:01.9-02:39:21.6
  59. In approximately August 2023 it was reported in Peru that seven-foot giants were abducting and harming people
    “I think it was in August perhaps of 2023, where it was reported in Peru that seven-foot-tall giants were abducting and maybe even harming people, women from the village or whatever.”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:37:25.6-02:37:55.4
  60. Horn does not believe in Meier or UFOs, saying he instead has evidence from his own experience
    “i've been asked if i believe in Billy Meier believe in ufos and i've said no When you know something, you don't have to believe in it. ... rather than belief, I have the evidence in my experience”
    Revealing The Nordic Alien Prophecies - Michael Horn | DEBRIEFED ep. 92 02:42:05.3-02:42:29.2
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