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Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987)

A 1987 interview in which Raymond Fowler discusses his background, UFO investigations, alleged government secrecy, reported physical evidence, crash retrieval claims and the Betty Andreasson abduction.

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The source is a 1987 interview in which Raymond Fowler discusses his professional background and approach to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) research. Fowler said that, after college and service with the United States Air Force Security Service, he worked for 25 years at GTE Sylvania, usually on contract to the United States Air Force.1 He also said that he served as early warning coordinator for the Condon Committee, a supplementary Air Force investigation conducted by the University of Colorado in 1968.2 The interview places these experiences within a historical account that Fowler said included Project Sign, initiated in January 1948,3 its alleged continuation as Project Grudge,4 and the later Project Blue Book. He said that Project Blue Book regulations allowed the public to be told about identified cases but not unidentified ones.5

A major theme is the tension Fowler described between official explanations, military secrecy and investigative access. He said that useful records were difficult to obtain through the Freedom of Information Act when their classification status was uncertain,6 and that the National Security Agency (NSA) had acknowledged holding hundreds of UFO-related documents.7 He also reported documents describing alleged landings at Kirtland Air Force Base, within the Manzano Weapons Storage Area, and at RAF Woodbridge / Rendlesham Forest incident.8 These accounts illustrate the source’s emphasis on documentary leads, physical traces, military witnesses and contested disclosure rather than on a single evidential conclusion.

The interview’s central case study is the alleged Betty Andreasson abduction, South Ashburnham, 1967-01-25. Fowler classified it as a Type G case within the Close encounter classification system, involving alleged interaction with occupants,9 and said that Betty Andreasson was allegedly taken from her home in USA, Massachusetts, South Ashburnham on 1967-01-25.10 He described a reported physical examination11 and discussed hypnosis, alleged missing time and later unusual experiences. Fowler expressly said that the reported events were not known to have actually occurred, while maintaining that he did not regard the witnesses’ accounts as hoaxes.12 The source therefore matters as a record of Fowler’s testimony, interpretations and evidential standards concerning UFO investigation and alleged Alien abduction.

References (12)
  1. Fowler describes 25 years working for GTE Sylvania divisions, usually on contract to the United States Air Force.
    “From the Air Force and college days, I went to GTE Sylvania and worked for them for 25 years in the Strategic Systems Division and the Communication Systems Division on a number of weapon systems, usually on contract to the United States Air Force.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:01:03.1-00:01:17.5
  2. Fowler says he served as early warning coordinator for the Condon Committee.
    “In 1968, they contracted the University of Colorado to perform a supplementary investigation of UFOs, and I served that particular project as early warning coordinator.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:10:39.5-00:10:49.0
  3. Fowler dates the initiation of Project Sign to January 1948.
    “And in January of 1948, Project Sign was initiated.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:11:52.0-00:11:55.4
  4. Fowler says Project Grudge continued covertly until March 1952 while the public was told Project Sign had closed.
    “The public was told that the project was closed, in fact. And meanwhile, Project Grudge continued covertly. This was until March of 1952”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:12:34.7-00:12:43.1
  5. Fowler says Project Blue Book regulations restricted public disclosure to identified cases.
    “Their regulations indicated that they couldn't tell the public that there were unknowns, that they were only to tell the public the ones that they had identified. And because of this, they had to give all types of explanations for UFOs, and it caused the Air Force to have a very bad name.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:13:17.7-00:13:33.5
  6. Fowler discusses the difficulty of obtaining classified material through the Freedom of Information Act.
    “unless you know what you're asking for, it's very, very hard to get anything. And if it's still classified and they feel it should remain classified, you aren't going t”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:19:56.2-00:20:03.6
  7. Fowler says the National Security Agency acknowledged holding hundreds of UFO-related documents.
    “The National Security Agency has admitted after we brought them to court that they have hundreds of documents relating to UFOs.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:20:04.8-00:20:10.5
  8. Fowler reports documents describing UFO landings at Kirtland Air Force Base and RAF Woodbridge.
    “two of the recent documents that we got concerned five UFO landings at Kirtland Air Force Base in the Manzano Weapons Storage Area, which is a hollowed-out mountain which contains probably more atomic weapons than any other storage area we have in the United States, highly restricted area.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:21:03.9-00:21:45.3
  9. Fowler classifies the Betty Andreasson case as a close encounter of the third kind, Type G.
    “The Andreasen Affair is a Type G, and this involves the witnesses allegedly interfacing with the occupants from a UFO.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:45:03.0-00:45:11.3
  10. Fowler describes the alleged abduction of Betty Andreasson from her home on 1967-01-25.
    “The Andreasson Affair concerns an alleged abduction of a woman back on January 25, 1967, from her home at South Ashburnham, Massachusetts.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:45:12.6-00:45:23.3
  11. Fowler says Betty Andreasson underwent a physical examination during the reported incident.
    “And she was given a very interesting physical examination.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:47:20.5-00:47:24.6
  12. Fowler says the reported abduction experiences were not known to be factual, although he did not consider them hoaxes.
    “Whether they actually really happened, we don't know, but we know that they aren't hoaxes. We know that they really believe that they experienced something like this.”
    Raymond Fowler on UFOs, Government Cover-Ups & the Andreasson Affair (Full Interview, 1987) 00:49:35.0-00:49:41.0

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