McDonald was not entirely satisfied with hearsay evidence in UFO cases.
“Certainly as a scientist, I am not entirely happy with taking hearsay evidence”
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McDonald came to Australia to interview witnesses directly and assess individual cases and witness credibility.
“I'm not entirely happy with taking hearsay evidence. And I've been down here in Australia interviewing witnesses to find out for myself, in direct, face-to-face, or in some cases, phone interviewing, exactly what happened in individual cases and what the credibility of the witness is”
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McDonald recorded approximately 3,000 metres of interview tape during the tour.
“I have about 10,000 feet of tape, I noticed, when I wound this thing up.”
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McDonald interviewed about 70 Australians or New Zealanders.
“And I've interviewed about 70 Australians or New Zealanders.”
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Barry Jones's Melbourne talkback programme took calls during McDonald's appearance.
“Talkback 638151. Professor James MacDonald, the University of Arizona, talking about unidentified flying objects. Let's hear from you on 638151.”
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Peter Surrey recorded callers' telephone numbers for later follow-up.
“I think if you could give Peter Surrey your number before we switch you off, it would help. We might be able to check up later and talk to you further”
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Mrs Smith of South Caulfield reported seeing a cigar-shaped object over Hawthorn around 1949.
“It's Mrs. Smith from South Caulfield. ... I saw a cigar-shaped object, approximately 1949 this would be. ... Yes, in Hawthorne. We were living in Hawthorne at the time.”
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Mrs Smith said the object was perfectly stationary.
“And it was perfectly stationary.”
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She described a dull internal light moving continuously from top to bottom.
“had a dull light inside and then as though it had an electric light globe going up and down from, you know, top to bottom continuously.”
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She said the weather was clear and almost cloudless, without thunderstorms.
“James E. MacDonald: uh what was the state of the weather at the time do you recall? Mrs. Smith: it was clear and almost cloudless ... James E. MacDonald: That type of situation, clear sky, there were no thunderstorms anywhere in the area. Mrs. Smith: No, not at all.”
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McDonald considered the reported conditions to rule out ball-lightning-type plasmoids.
“Yes, that rules out plasmoids of the ball lightning type.”
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McDonald considered the object's stationary character to rule out a meteoric fireball.
“let's just take the stationary aspect. The possibility that it's a meteoric fireball is ruled out...”
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Mrs Smith said the object made no sound.
“James E. MacDonald: If there was no sound together... Mrs. Smith: No, not at all.”
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The Victorian Flying Saucer Society took McDonald into the Victorian countryside to interview witnesses.
“we were down with the Melbourne UFO group, the Victorian Flying Saucer Society, very helpfully have been taking me around the countryside to some of the key witnesses.”
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McDonald travelled to Moe to interview farmer Brew.
“We were down in Mowi, in the Gippsland area, talking to a farmer named Brew,”
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Brew reported that a large disc-like object emerged from overcast conditions and hovered about 90 metres away.
“who was milking 0700 on February of 1963. All of a sudden, coming out of the overcast was a large disc-like object which hovered over a tree 100 yards away.”
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Brew described cattle stamping, barking dogs and horses breaking loose.
“The cattle, he was most impressed by the way in which the cattle jumped and stampeded, the dogs started barking, horses broke loose and so on.”
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Two witnesses independently reported a grey saucer-shaped object rising vertically from the Wairakei steam bores.
“we both quite independently saw this grey object which for want of a better name I'll call a flying saucer, which arose out of the steam board the way over on the horizon, went vertically upwards”
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The Wairakei witness reported broken cloud and repeated appearances behind and beyond clouds.
“what made it more convincing to us was the fact that there was broken cloud at the time, and we kept on seeing these things that would go behind clouds and reappear.”
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The Wairakei witnesses were ridiculed by fellow engineers after reporting the sighting.
“We sort of both talked to my fellow engineers about it, who immediately rubbished us. ... said, well, we shouldn't have stopped at the pub.”
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The anonymous engineer subsequently discussed the sighting only with interested people.
“I ceased to talk about it, and ever since then, I've only told people who indicated some interest in the subject.”
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McDonald said he had examined psychological, technological, hoax, fraud and geophysical explanations.
“When you look at these various hypotheses, psychological, advanced technology, hoax, fabrication, fraud, poorly understood geophysical phenomena, you run through all of those. This is certainly what I've done in the past year of checking.”
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McDonald said an origin from elsewhere was the hypothesis remaining after other explanations were eliminated.
“You find yourself ending up with the seemingly absurd, seemingly improbable hypothesis These things may be coming from somewhere else.”
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McDonald advocated immediate global scientific investigation.
“We've got to get at this right away. We've got to get on it on a global scale. And with the best scientific talent, not just in United States or not just in Australia but the world's best scientific talent has to get on that.”
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